Any Illusionists looking for a high end raiding guild?

[Raxe Sla]

<div></div>***Please only post recruitment threads on you're server specific forum, this is for class discussion only.***<p>Message Edited by Gorathh on <span class="date_text">01-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:44 AM</span></p>

[jun]

<DIV>You're joking right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>VR,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</DIV>

[Pins]

<DIV>He wants brigands too.  But I mean cmon, brigands suck!  Everybody knows that.  I mean, don't they?  But from looking at your roster, you already have a Coercer and an Illusionist.  There's not much more room for more than 2 Enchanters in a raiding guild.</DIV>

[SunT]

My bet is thier current Illusionist re-rolled a bard and they want one to take the place.

[Raxe Sla]

<DIV>One is very inactive the other is going to become semi inactive : )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, Cheers.</DIV>

[jun]

<P>I guess the point we are trying to make is that you coming to recruit in a class forum that is 'known' for its inability to function in a raid environment is a bit crude.  While the gesture is commendable, and would be highly complimentary (given we could actually benefit a raid force), at this particular time... I don't think anyone would take the offer seriously enough to move servers.  For that matter, I doubt you could get any one-time 60 illusionists to switch from their new main characters to fill the role.</P> <P>Honestly, its just too frustrating right now in a raid environment for illusionists.</P> <P>VR,</P> <P>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</P>

[Lolthinae]

Why is it crude? Maybe it goes to show that not ALL illusionists feel utterly useless in raids, and that raiding guilds do appreciate what we bring with us. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see considerable improvements to our class, but useless? No, I don't feel useless, and no, I haven't rolled another main. As long as I feel that I contribute, and as long as my guild continues to welcome me to our raids, I will continue to raid - and love it!<p>Message Edited by Lolthinae on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:59 PM</span>

[thec0b]

People really need to stop saying that illusionist's are useless on raids. I am a 60 illusionist in the top raiding guild on my server and we have not 1, not 2 but 3 level 60 illusionists and a 60 corercer in guild. If we are all on at raid time we all get spots in raid. While I wholeheartedly agree that there are issues with our raiding abilities I can also say that the chanters on our raids often have very important jobs to do. All I can say is that if your guild does not appreciate you  either they or you do not fully understand what we are capable of. The big issue's are mainly stuns and stifles on raids, aside from that we do pretty well.

[Arja]

<div></div><p>Sometimes guys I wonder if you know how to play the class.</p><p>Illusionists are not useless on Raids.</p><p>AND!!! How can you possibly be insulted be a raid officer coming onto the illusionist boards and ASKING for a Raiding Illusionist ??</p><p>What is wrong with you people? Do you like complaining? There are issues with raiding Illusionists, it is true half our spells disappear against epics, but useless we are not.</p><p>We are also a high end Raiding guild with 2 level 60 Illusionists and myself, a soon to be 60 Illusionist. There is always a space for us. In fact much like the OP here, we are invited to raid.</p><p>I dont not have another main. I play my Illusionist everyday and will continue to do so. I have alts but none of them are past level 25.</p>

[zit]

<div></div><p>no class is useless.</p><p>just some classes are more useful than others.</p><p> </p><p>there is not much point in bringing an illusionist IF* you want optimize your raid force and IF* you have the possibility to pick from different classes. now as these 2 preconditions are not given for most guilds they sure will take illusionists along for raids. the majority of guilds dont care if a member is playing the *optimal* class, as long as an encounter still can be beaten every class is fine.</p><p>we can provide enough to not be useless, but if we were able to transform into a different class in most cases the raid would benefit more. its compareable to 2 pure dps classes. one is doing 500 dps, the other is doing 800 constantly. is the one with 500 useless? no, sure not, they still provide solid dps. but if it could transform into one that is doing 800 the raid would benefit more.</p><p> </p>

[Barobra]

<div>People like to complain, what the heck is wrong with a guild trying to find an illusionist on an illuionist board?</div>

[jun]

<div></div><p>You know, I was going to write some lengthy thread to point out several areas where there was a greater consensus on this board that supported what I typed to the OP, but I reconsidered.  You guys aren't the reason I am upset with Illusionist abilities DURING raids.  You guys can't fix them either.</p><p>Matter of fact, if I had actually thought about the OP's post past my first emotional response, I probably wouldn't have responded at all... but you guys have never done that before either... right?</p><p>Let me restate for the record... I haven't rerolled another main.  I haven't cancelled my subscription (still have Station for EQ 1 and 2).  I never turn down raid invites.  I never turn away genuine requests for help on my server (from anyone).  I don't belittle other classes due to a similarity of abilities I might share with them.  I don't complain to anyone outside of this forum.  I don't needlessly (if ever) openly flame anyone that maintains a difference of opinion from my own about this class.</p><p>I wouldn't change my class even if I could do an even exchange in level/gear/abilities.  I still enjoy my toon in solo/group environments where I continue to prove we are a desireable class to play.  It may be difficult for some of you to understand why someone who apparently lives and breathes Illusionist support can suddenly flip their views given a specific topic.  All I ask is that you withhold your opinions of me until you have had a chance to raid for a while.</p><p>Wait until you spend night after night casting your 3 or 4 spells against Epic encounters when you KNOW you could be a greater force in the fight if you could only stun/stifle/mez/drain a little.  It gets irritating being FORCED out of your class defining role.  I am glad I can provide the 2nd best power regen in the game.  I am glad I can provide limited resists.  I am even glad I can provide minimal mitigation on mobs.  Heck, I am doing backflips because I can provide some indirect DPS assistance for a select few classes on the raid that can make me shine like a new penny (even though we ALL agree DPS was never our cup of tea).</p><p>So, to the OP, please accept my apologies if I have insulted or upset you in any way.  I didn't mean to take my anger out on you at all.  To my fellow Illusionist, I apologize for assuming you all felt the same way and basically put my words/thoughts in your mouths.  Won't happen again.  If I have any thoughts/ideas/words to write on a given subject, I will make certain everyone KNOWS they are mine.  If you agree...so be it.  If you don't, you are welcome to share yours on the subject.</p><p> </p><p>VR,</p><p>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</p>

[SunT]

<div>I raid every night of the week, 4-6 hours.  I almost never miss unless I am out of town.</div><div> </div><div>We Suck on Raids.</div><div> </div><div>Sorry but we do.</div><div> </div><div>We do bring SOME things to the table, but we are less than half the Chanter we are in groups when the mob is an Epic.</div><div> </div><div>There are very few classes, if any, who lose as much of thier core abilities on Epics as we do.</div><div> </div><div>There are three lines of spells that used to work on Epics and are still suposed to work on Epics that have been broken since LU13.</div><div> </div><div>So call me whiner if you wish...I call me an accurate reporter of FACT.</div><div> </div><div>Coercer can at least channel hate and provide superior regen.  Bards can do nearly everything we can do better. </div><div> </div><div>Why take an Illusionist?</div><div> </div><div>Spellshield?  Broken.</div><div> </div><div>Drains?  Broken.</div><div> </div><div>Power regen?  There are better classes.</div><div> </div><div>DPS?  There are better classes.</div><div> </div><div>Buffs?  Please...</div><div> </div><div>Illusory Allies?  Broken.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>So WHY do you want an Illusionist for a raid guild?  Please enlighten me.</div><div> </div><div>If you ask my why you want us in a group, well we are superior to our rivals.  But raiding we are [Removed for Content].</div><div> </div><div>I cannot think of one single thing that we can do better than another class.  Save for maybe Mezzing and ther has yet to be a need for me to lock down more than two mobs and that can be done by many classes.</div>

[thec0b]

<div></div><div></div><p>whiner</p><p> </p><p>factor in Devitalizing Stare and Savante and no one beats us in power regen</p><p>Dynamism and Haste adds to dps that doesnt factor in on your own personal dps but adss dps significantly.</p><p>Drains - we will never, never, be able to power drain an epic mob., if we could it would pretty much make any challenging epic encounter not so challenging. Fighting the mob with its special attacks/aoe's is pretty much what fighting an epic encounter is all about. So no, I dont think you will ever see any class be able to power drain an epic mob</p><p>other classes can mez but when they do it takes away from their core job thus making them inefficient in their primary role</p><p>like I said before we definatley have issues that need to be addressed as far as raiding but we are not usless.</p><p>Message Edited by thec0bra on <span class="date_text">01-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:20 AM</span></p>

[MyChatBot]

Jeepers.The guy comes here and politely informs us his guild is looking for an illusionist. And he gets abuse. No wonder people hate illusionists.One of the things wrong with EQ is people have just gotten it into their heads that it is ALL about DPS and nothing else at all matters. DPS is not the only way to win a fight.<div></div>

[Pins]

<div>These boards aren't for guild recruiting, and last time somebody posted for guild recruits their thread got deleted.  He should take it to the server where the guild recruiting is supposed to be done.</div>

[Kazora]

<div>in kos, assuming sony keeps the same spell progression -> illu should get a new(superior) mana regen. screw bards!</div>

[Pins]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>rozakk wrote:<div>in kos, assuming sony keeps the same spell progression -> illu should get a new(superior) mana regen. screw bards!</div><hr></blockquote>But so do bards, at 69 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Therefore we == owned.

[Xanderax2]

<div></div><p>I agree with suntsu. Our class is broken raid wise and sony needs to fix it. If you dont believe me then do who all enchanter 50 to 60 . The numbers speak for themselves. Its not about bieng positive or negative, the facts are the facts. I love playing my illusionist but it gets real frustrating on raids.</p><p>  Dazler The Canary of Inothule</p>

[Azamien-Dermorate]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>rozakk wrote:<div>in kos, assuming sony keeps the same spell progression -> illu should get a new(superior) mana regen. screw bards!</div><hr></blockquote>But so do bards, at 69 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Therefore we == owned.<hr></blockquote><p>LOL yea ... it wont be till the expansion AFTER KoS when at level 75 we should get another breeze upgrade and they get nada that we will have superior regen (another having it as a master 2 choise at 61 would be sweet) ...</p><p>Yes, yes, with Devitalizing Stare and Insight both master'd I can barely squeek out a little more regen then a bard can ... that requires casting the spell the instant the spell refreshes and assuems that the mobs arent mental immune (I know there is only a few ... but it seems like a lot when your standing around wishing cheering your guild on as they kill mobs that you cannot do anything too).  And when I do actually feel usefull (pretending I am dpsing) in the normal flow of combat on raids I dont always have perfect timing on casting DS the exact instant it becomes avaliable.. I can come close to a Troubs regen but rarely do I achieve my therotical max regen  </p>