OMG we have been NERFERD AGAIN!

[Krond]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  At first the pet changes seemed good. but after a couple fights I see that the pet is not hitting anymore.. we cant proc damage off a pet that does not hit.  There goes our dps soloing..  Someone tell me this is a bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  I feel sick right now. /ack</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  50 Illusionist</DIV>

[Jaxidi]

<DIV>By this you mean our pet doesn't melee?</DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Fizwi]

For the record, I find that I can connect in melee 3x in 15 sec much more reliably than my pet can.He really ought to be at least <i>trying </i>to melee though...<div></div>

[jun]

<DIV>Man, I sincerely hope this is a 'bug' and not an intended effect.  EVERYONE knows we really depend on out Prismatic Havoc (or lower equivilent) in order to solo.  This would be devastating to our solo game play.  Lol... from the OP's description, we have essentially switched roles.  The pet is now the *CC* and WE are the dps.  I can't wait to see Sun Tsu's new signature line...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone care to make a guess at it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sun Tsu</DIV> <DIV>"Sun Tsu's pet sends him to attack Z_Hard_Hitting_Heroic"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry S.T. I just couldn't resist it....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>VR,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</DIV>

[Pins]

<DIV>It melees for mental damage, but the havoc doesn't go off from it.  Also, dynamism seems to be HIGHLY useful for the pet now.  Legerity?  Still useful to the pet.  But dynamism, better.  Overall DPS on the pet seems about the same.  Although, the melee damage from the pet is lower.  It used to be 250-400.  Now it's 100-250.  But spell damage is up, as is power drain, again we all know useless!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Results are from Personae Duplicate (Master I).</DIV>

[Fizwi]

<div></div>Whoa, it melees with spell damage!That's pretty neat, and sorta makes sense given its illusionary nature.  I can imagine how Dyna would work on it.In all seriousness, am I the only one who didn't use Prismatic Havoc on the pet?  I tried for a week after LU13, and decided it wasn't worth it, as most of the time he only gets off 1, or at most 2, procs.  If I really want to use when soloing it I've been using it on myself...I certainly don't <i>rely </i>on it to solo.Also, how the heck do you figure your pet is supposed to be providing the majority of your DPS?  It can pull around 100; you should be doing twice that.  The pet has always been about taking the mobs attention for a bit...sounds like control to me!(thanks for the numbers Pinski)<div></div><p>Message Edited by Fizwick on <span class=date_text>12-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:43 AM</span>

[Impetus]

<blockquote><hr>Fizwick wrote:For the record, I find that I can connect in melee 3x in 15 sec much more reliably than my pet can.He really ought to be at least <i>trying </i>to melee though...<div></div><hr></blockquote>That's what I've found as well. If I cast prismatic on him, he'll rarely get all three off. I can almost always do it, although it takes a little more effort, and takes away from being able to control/cast on other things if I'm fighting a group. Too bad we can't cast it on the construct. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Belizarius]

<DIV>I used it on the pet all the time.  For one thing my melee skill still sucks.  For another, it's a hassle to have melee on if you are also mezzing.  My pet usually got either 2 or 3 procs off, especially if hasted.</DIV> <DIV>Also very handy if the mob has any kind of Damage Shield.  You don't really want to touch those yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm so glad our guild duelling tournament was pre-update.</DIV>

[Tuleri]

<P>Actually a REAL nerf that just hit is that the Black Queen's adds can no longer be mezzd....Kind of falls in line with all the other nerfs we have been hit with</P> <P> </P> <P>The one [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing encounter where chanters were at their best is now NERFD</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks again SOE</P>

[Jaxidi]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tulerine wrote:<BR> <P>Actually a REAL nerf that just hit is that the Black Queen's adds can no longer be mezzd....Kind of falls in line with all the other nerfs we have been hit with</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>booooo!!!!</DIV>

[Dufre]

<DIV>The black queen stuff stinks but is to be expected when all the other lvl 65+ raid mobs can't be mezzed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Can we all feedback that we want to be able to mez on raids.  We can mez in gates and it seems helpful to me.</DIV>

[SunT]

<DIV>There is no [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing way I will ever proc the mele off myself.  That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wear VLA.  I have spells that root, stun, mez and stifle....I imagine I was given these spells and only granted the ability to wear VLA because I AM NOT SUPOSED TO TANK.  These things all say STAY AWAY FROM THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ING MOB!!!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And dont even start with my re the mele is not tanking.  It is so rediculous it is laughable.  The Personae cannot hold aggro from you.  It can not.  So you go into mele range and dps at all and you are going to get the horns.  If you want to dance with a mob for several minutes while you balance your DPS with your personae go for it.  I root it and crush it and use my personae to be my catalyst.  I can kill 3X as fast this way.  I am not going back to Pre lu 13 5 min solo fights.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are a class that must use a catalyst for its DPS.  I can live with that.  The personae was given to us to be this catalyst when we solo.  It MUST proc this proc.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This had better be a bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jun]

<P>/concur 100% with Sun</P> <P>If somehow the Dynamism + spell damage from the newly revamped Personae can somehow equal the Personae + Prismatic... I will view this as a 'lateral' exchange of talents... </P> <P> </P> <P>VR,</P> <P>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</P>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>I'm gunna start messing with my wifes Chanter, and working towards Illusionist tonight ... good god i'm starting to get scared. Well either way, it will be 'different' for me to be something other than my Zerk or my 30 mystic alt. I hope this gets fixed because it scares me to think that with VLA i will have to go up to the mob and start meleeing....my fricken Mystic can't take a hit and he's Medium armor, VLA Will be scary!</DIV>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>junzu wrote:<P>/concur 100% with Sun</P> <P>If somehow the Dynamism + spell damage from the newly revamped Personae can somehow equal the Personae + Prismatic... I will view this as a 'lateral' exchange of talents... </P> <P> </P> <P>VR,</P> <P>Kailen - 60 Illusionist Faydark</P><hr></blockquote> Commented on <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=1741#M1741" target=_blank>here</a>. It looks like all pets are bugged regarding procs, since they don't have "primary hands" when attacking.

[zit]

<P>Maybe its both, a nerf as well as an upgrade.</P> <P>That havoc doesnt proc from the pet anymore hurts. I have only done some short testing and it looks as if the pet damage (personae buffed with dynamism soloing a green solo mob without my assistance) had gone slightly up compared to before. My impression was though that the old pet + havoc was superior in dps to the new upped personae. But i dont have hard parsing data for this, so better take it with a gran of salt.</P> <P>In any case... my personae is now able to keep the mob in place usually. Its still not able to keep agro, but the mob cannot come running after me so easily. Which i consider very positive and could also make the personae an interesting option in certain group situations.</P> <P>So all in all i would say our personae is not better or worse now, its just different. Will depend on personal preference and playstyle a bit if a player likes the changes or not. I dont think they are too bad, but have hoped for a clear improvement rather than for an exchange.</P> <P>edit to add after reading about broken pet procs.... hoping now that it really all is just a bug.</P><p>Message Edited by zitha on <span class=date_text>12-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:25 PM</span>

[Dalk]

Just to comment on how out-of-whack things were... I was duoing with a conjuror in the roost last night (him 60 w/master 1 pet, me 59 Ad3 pet).  My Personae was *taking aggro* from the conj pet.  I had him buffed with Dynamism, and based on the yellow numbers floating above the mobs head, he was geting Dynamism procs a lot , both from spells cast as well as "melee" hits.  Good DPS, but bad commentay on conj tank pets' aggro.<div></div>

[Belizarius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zitha wrote:<BR> <P>...</P> <P>edit to add after reading about broken pet procs.... hoping now that it really all is just a bug.</P> <P>Message Edited by zitha on <SPAN class=date_text>12-21-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:25 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Agree - hard to judge this until they fix up the mess with procs (not) going off.  That may be all it is.<BR> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Belizarius on <span class=date_text>12-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 PM</span>

[Barobra]

<DIV>I noticed the pet keeps agro alot better (partly because he roots so much). I would like to parse it, I was lazy and didn't really feel like it last night. I personally am happy with the changes so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, I like how I can pet pull, then mez him easier now that it doesn't do dots.</DIV>

[Tuleri]

<P>I noticed that the pet seems to agro much better now and hit harder!  I am ok with the changes myself.</P> <P> </P> <P>Also sorry I misinformed you guys agout the Black Queen adds.   They are not Epic..we can actually CC on a raid still!!</P> <P> </P> <P>/faint</P> <P> </P> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P>