The only way out I can see

[Tendonit]

Nobody cares about this class among developers. We only get envy from other players, unless they group with us. If we keep playing and comlpaining, this new dark age will not end soon enough. I suggest a strike. If you are in raiding guild - stop raiding. Let others raise hell for our class, if we are really that important. If not - good riddance. <div></div>

[Etillchou]

well that will help your raid already <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />soe wont give a beep about you not helping your guild

[Zebsen]

<DIV>I need to test the changes, which I have not done yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is mainly going to hit our ability to solo and do heroics.  Stuns/stiffles/root/mez will have very little influence on raiding IMO.  I doubt that unless raiding illusionists were using root to solo/exploit insane stuff, they will probably not be effected much.  Some may care, but most true raiders probably won't be effected much, and won't care.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I personally don't think this will hurt my ability to group much, except I'll have to watch my aggro better without the root.  I plan on grouping more and soloing less if soloing is ineffective.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's Sony's game, and we just pay to play it.  Hopefully we have fun in the process.  This class certainly isn't for everyone.  Hopefully I'll still enjoy it after the changes, or I'll reroll something else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tendonit]

This is not about our raiding ability, which hasn't changed much after update. This is about our class. I will not suffer because of this nerf, low levels will. All I do is instances with ocasional mining, crafting and raiding. I don't know, maybe my idea is silly.. Just can't stand this contempt for our class. <div></div>

[Zebsen]

<P>I understand your frustration.  Asking raiding illusionists to stop raiding when the most recent changes really didn't effect them is probably not going to happen IMO.  </P> <P>I would like to get some kind of response as much as you would about why the sudden mass of nerfs, and if we'll be getting anything positive to balance it.  Lately we've had:</P> <P>-stuns not working on epics and shorter duration overall</P> <P>-stiffles not working on epics and shorter duration overall</P> <P>-2 of our 3 mezzes nerfed in duration/recast/etc</P> <P>-root nerfed</P> <P>They've really taken back a lot of what they gave us with the CU, which is frustrating.  It's hard to watch your abilities decrease with only a small percent increase to our (low DPS) haste spell in return.  I'm not counting the increase in power draining ability.  Based on how stun/stiffle was removed from epics, I have the feeling that <U>if</U> the increased power drain allowed for several enchanters to draining epic mobs dry of power, it would be also nerfed (at least on epics) as well for trivializing content.  </P> <DIV>As for someone posting about a root hotfix, don't hold your breath.  While we're not happy, I think the Devs think it's working just fine now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Zebsen</DIV>

[Raijinn]

<DIV>We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want.</DIV>

[Pogball]

'We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want'Sorry that really burns. See what players want???. Post-cu ive enjoyed my chanter more so except for being pretty much useless in raids save as a power battery. Who wanted you to nerf a whole set of spells? What have you given us in return???? Nada. We are now worse than pre-cu. Great. This just seems like a cynical way to remove a class from the game. Make it no fun to play and pretty much useless solo and in raids.Thanks.<p>Message Edited by Pogball on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:28 PM</span>

[Sbazt]

<span><blockquote><hr>Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<div>We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want.</div><hr></blockquote>Perhaps you guys have looked over our concerns... what is being done about them? it's one thing to look at our problems. something totally different to actually acknowledge and or alleviate those concerns. If this is all you guys can say, don't bother.</span><div></div>

[Interce]

<DIV>Face it guys, we are crap.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stifles NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Stuns NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Crack NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Savate NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Root NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Mez NERFED</DIV> <DIV>Power drain NERFED</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid ability NERFED (may as well just cast our crappy mana regen and wack ourselves on auto follow)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are B grade wizards with B grade power regen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spellshield is kinda ok, but I didnt level 60 levels to cast dismay and spellshield every coupla mins. NOT VERY EXCITING.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This game is pathetic..</DIV><p>Message Edited by Intercept on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:52 PM</span>

[RpTheHotrod]

<DIV>Raijinn ThunderGuard, I quit this game a long time ago because</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. General Lag </DIV> <DIV>2. The CRAP CLASS that illusionists were.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I returned because I upgraded my computer and I heard Illusionists were actually somewhat useful and now fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I returned and I have REALLY enjoyed the illusionist class. I've had much fun. I even bought the Desert of Flames expansion before I am able to even go there to hunt.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>HOWEVER, this new patch is total crap for my class, I'm sorry. It's bullcrap and has REMOVED the fun from the class. It's back to [Removed for Content] day 1 release....hardly any way to solo at all. I play during late nights so raid is out of the question and grouping is often out of the question. I COULD solo pre-patch a bit with my pets. However, they die incredibly quickly, but I could root and try to survive until I can re-cast my pet and go at it again.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You took a useless class and made it fun, and now that I spent money returning AND bought the latest expansion, the class has gone right back to crap nerfs again and NOT fun. The pets are NOT useful alone. You MUST have a reliable root because you have to keep recasting pets. My pet at adept III often dies from a BLUE SOLO mob. Sometimes, it even dies. Throw in the construct, and you have a 2nd pet that will die in 2-3 hits from a mob.   Your pets die off so fast, that a realible root is a must.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, root in general being so realiable is somewhat of a problem with high damage classes, sure. However, Illusionist damage output is INCREDIBLY low and it takes us TIME to kill anything. We have at best weak DoTs and weak nukes. Other casters my level I have seen pull a group of mobs at them and AoE the CRAP out of them all until they all die before the caster is even down to half health. What if I were to try? AoE mez, and take one mob at a time....slowly...over minutes...with weak DoTs and pets.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not only did you take out our only realiable solo form out of the game, but you also nerf the AoE mez?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Illusionists are nearly useless in raids. Why? Crowd control isn't that important in eq2. Illusionists are mana batteries and crowd control...that's it. The crowd control is not needed...so that leaves us being mana batteries. That makes us nothing but a buffbot class. Boring. The one thing that keeps us from being so boring is the added crowd control...which isn't even that useful in eq2. To add insult to injury, you also nerf our crowd control abilities? The ONE thing that makes us unique? Illusionists are VERY weak casters + crowd control. You nerf the crowd control...so all we really are is a very very sub-par caster. Great.  Tell me right now a good reason to be an illusionist over the other high damage and utility classes. Crowd control isn't that great...and now, it is even LESS useful. DoTs? Other casters have far better. Nukes? Other casters have far better. Group buffs? Oh boy, we can make group mana pool bigger, just stand there...how fun. Utility? weak. Everything is weak. The one thing we had over everyone else is a not so useful crowd control. On top of that, we take so [Removed for Content] long to solo....and you hurt our solo ability. While other classes can pull multiple mobs and aoe them to death for quick xp....we just hope to find a group now...and rarely get one due to "crowd control not being a big deal." Perhaps you'll get a group so you can be a mana buffbot. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just wasted money buying the [Removed for Content] expansion. You guys were doing so well with the combat upgrade. I was impressed, I even got my friends to return. Now you're going right back to where you started. Talk about a rip off. I'll be unsuscribing soon, once again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by RpTheHotrod on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 PM</span>

[Tendonit]

<blockquote><hr>Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<DIV>We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Bah, IT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT! This is about a class being broken, how hard is this to understand.Or did you mean you listen to players who want us to be nerfed, not us? Sorry then, my bad.

[missionarymarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <DIV>We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That is one of the main problems this game has. You look over concerns but never respond about them unless you make some change in an update. I have been seeing posts for quite awhile complaining about lack of communication and although we now get messages from you saying things are being looked at we never get any responses about what is going on and what the DEVs are thinking. When they do make changes we hardly get a reason why the change was made especially if it was nerf. We need better communication from the DEVs.

[Pil]

<P>I dont buy it.  One dev watches one coercer solo something he thinks they shouldnt, and all enchanters get nerfed.</P> <P>And look what got nerfed, obviously not our raid abilities, as we dont have any.  Its our bread and butter, our crowd control.  We played from release till LU13 and couldnt solo.  We finally got the ability, and its immediately removed, due to another class?</P> <P>I dunno Raijinn, maybe you said it right, you just flipped to words.  You dont "look over" our concerns, you "overlook" them.</P> <P>If you want to fix the soloing heroics, make the change so it effects heroics.  That SOE would take a single example of a coercer (this was Lockeye's excuse for the change to root and AE mez as i read it), who quite probably has mostly master/adept3 spells, and mostly fabled gear, killing something you thought was inappropriate.  Yet everyone in 2 classes (not just the one) gets nerfed, regardless if we have adept 1's and crafted normal armor.  I do recall the "norm" was supposed to be app3, so by that, i am above average, and i could never kill 2 heroic ^^^ at once, 4 levels higher, not to mention mezzing 2 other groups.  I'd run out of power before the first was dead.</P> <P> </P> <P>Maybe Moorgard's post had some hidden meaning, when he was responding to the Harclaves arguements.  He stated that if you wanted to grind and solo, that maybe this wasnt the game for you.  We have been made irrelevant in raids, they are slowly chipping away at our group abilities (nerfed 2/3 mezzes), more no-stacking issues, etc.  And they have decided we arent supposed to solo...again.  I'm thinking apparently, a person who wants to play an enchanter, is just someone that doesnt fit into the "vision" of EQ2 anymore.</P>

[evil_drag]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raijinn Thunderguard wrote:<BR> <DIV>We do look over many concerns that our players discuss on the forums. Sometimes we don't post vocally about them but we do see what players want.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> mhhh.,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Power drains always has been unuseful, we been posted a lot and no seem change., mez everytime more nerfed now 4 max aoe is the most ridiculos thing i ever seen., maybe i must just sell my char that actually has max harvesting skill and lvl 60 to gray mobs a company will like to have a good harvester., i no see any other use for my illusionist...:smileysad:</DIV>