Dont bother upgrading drains and stifles

[SunT]

<DIV>New patch notes say we can no longer stifle Epics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The CU changes made it impossible to drain them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So don't upgrade these spells.  You cannot stifle nor drain an Epic.  If you are fighting Yellows your spells are likely sticking at adept 1.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am confused as to why they made this change when almost all the Epics are undoable.  You would think if they were planning on makeing a change they would have waited until they Epics were fixed, then nerf us.</DIV>

[zit]

<P>hmm...so at raids we are more or less back to the state we were pre combat revamp.</P> <P>with half of our spells, and pretty much all of our core enchanter spells useless.</P> <P>good for buffing power regen and for everything else better replace with a different class.</P> <P>/sigh.</P> <P>well at least we dont have to recast breeze anymore....</P>

[SunT]

<P>Our DPS is still respectable, however, my concern is how difficult the Epics will be without the use of Stifle.</P> <P>I would like to hear one Epic that has dropped Post CU without an Illusionist or a Coercer on the raid. </P> <P>They are already incredibly powerful and we were the bane to soften them.  Now I fear they will be untouchable.</P> <P>I guess we will see.</P>

[zit]

<P>my dps in group is respectable maybe. but if i have to fight 2 adds in a row without out-of-combat regen between, i will be out of power.</P> <P>so i dont expect to to get anywhere close to the dps i can put out in groups, where fights usually only last max 15-30 seconds, when raid fights last between 5 and 30 mins.</P> <P>and that i can do somewhat damage is no compensation for not being able to use any of the enchanter core spells. we have been asking to get this changed for a long time. how many classes are there beside enchanter that cannot use half of their spells when fighting epics? </P> <P>everyone would agree that it would be rediculous if heals stopped working while fighting epics. everyone had understanding when wizards were complaining about cold resists that did render many of their spells useless on raid mobs. but we take it for given and accept without object if this happens to chanter abilities?</P>

[ClaudiustheG]

You have to remember, illusionists and the developers have different goals.  Illusionists want to be needed on raids, so we are happy when we have abilities that make a sigificant contribution on a raid.  The Developers most certainly do NOT want us to be needed on raids, since then they get moaning and bellyaching about how all the fighters and priests and wizards can't have a raid unless they can find an enchanter.  So, our perfect situation is very hard raid mobs that are made easier with our abilities, the developers' perfect situation is somewhat hard raid mobs that can be killed with us or without us. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Holy Grail for the developers is to avoid even the remotest possiblity that in any situation we even approach the importance that enchanters played in EQ1.  And from where I sit, they have succeeded beautifully.  I can't remember the last time it mattered one little bit whether I was there or not.  The reality is that I play with a pretty solid, knowledgeble group of players, and they go through mobs like ginsu knives whether I am there or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Claudius</DIV>

[Jaxidi]

<DIV>This is horribly dissapointing.  Hope they put it back since they had already stated stifles were only "somewhat effective against raid targets".  Why not just stick with that?</DIV>

[Malle]

Yeah, a horrible change for us. Although tbh, even before this, the 'Drain' component of the 'Stifle and Drain' line was a waste of time. I have Master 1 Mind drain and I can't even drain a normal heroic ^^^ mob before it's dead. The only thing I can drain are solo mobs, which is pointless. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I only hope that they've put this in temporarily while they code a proper fix for 'reduced effectiveness', although I'm not optimistic. :smileymad:</DIV>

[DavidJay]

<DIV>Yeah we are a joke of a class IMO, without color shower stifling epics were in trouble, and Ive been parsing our dps isnt that good I can outdmg healers 100% of the time and a same lv fighter usually( alwys guards) but if its a paladin SK monk zerker or bruiser Im about even with them usually unless i try not to be enchanter and just nuke nuke nuke, man sucks to be us [Removed for Content], at least we are fun to play=) BTW a coercer in my guild one lv below me had highest hit on Zalek raid Tyrannical mind for 55000 we ought to have been evil i guess hehehhe.</DIV>

[PigLick]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>DavidJay wrote:<div>Yeah we are a joke of a class IMO, without color shower stifling epics were in trouble, and Ive been parsing our dps isnt that good I can outdmg healers 100% of the time and a same lv fighter usually( alwys guards) but if its a paladin SK monk zerker or bruiser Im about even with them usually unless i try not to be enchanter and just nuke nuke nuke, man sucks to be us [Removed for Content], at least we are fun to play=) BTW a coercer in my guild one lv below me had highest hit on Zalek raid Tyrannical mind for 55000 we ought to have been evil i guess hehehhe.</div><hr></blockquote>I'll trade you my TM (heck, I'll even throw in Spell Lash and Sympathetic Aura) for your Dynamism and Prismatic Strife... <span>:smileywink:</span> PigLick</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by PigLickJF on <span class=date_text>10-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:28 PM</span>

[Jaxidi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PigLickJF wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR>I'll trade you my TM (heck, I'll even throw in Spell Lash and Sympathetic Aura) for your Dynamism and Prismatic Strife... <SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR><BR>PigLick</SPAN> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I'm not going to pretend I know all of the specifics of your skills but I'm sure both yours and ours has their advanatages.  I'm happy with mine though, so no thanks.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Pins]

Wait, you want to trade us your 60k damage hit occasinaly when grouped with a defiler using a certain spell combo? Sure, I'll do it. Well worth it trade for raiding. Which would you rather have, dyanmism and prismatic strife, or an occasinal 60k hit when grouped with a defiler who knows what to do?Won't say anymore about it. Sooo, heh.

[PigLick]

<div></div>If you'r asking me, I'd much rather have Prismatic and Dynamism, by far. I don't raid, so I'll never get any 60k hits with TM. I'll get maybe 500-1000 every few fights with it (and that's at Master 2), less if grouped. Maybe an occasional bigger tag on a named or something. In the vast majority of fights however, I can basically guarantee that Prismatic and Dynamism would net me much more damage, especially when grouped. PigLick <div></div><p>Message Edited by PigLickJF on <span class=date_text>10-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:40 PM</span>