Personae and Adept II

[Gni]

<DIV>Has it happened to anyone else that creation of an Adept III for the Personae spell results in no change at all in the capability or level of the pet?</DIV>

[MillsFairchild]

How are you determining this? Better versions of the Personae will not change the level of the pet.  It will only affect the quality of the spells it casts.  At App I, it should be casting App 1 spells.  At Adept III, it should be casting Adept III spells. <div></div>

[MillsFairchild]

<div></div><div></div>Here's some hard numbers showing a difference between the two.  There is a marked increase from Apprentice 1 to Adept III. <b>Personae Duplicate (Apprentice I)</b> <i>Average Damage per Spell:</i> <u>Gloom</u> 34 dmg <u>Phantasmal Ray</u> 112 dmg <u>Ego Shock</u> 104 dmg <b>Personae Duplicate (Adept III)</b> <i>Average Damage per Spell:</i> <u>Gloom</u> 52 dmg <i><font size="2">(53% increase)</font></i> <u>Phantasmal Ray</u> 162 dmg <i><font size="2">(45% increase)</font></i> <u>Ego Shock</u> 166 dmg <font size="2"><i>(60% increase) </i></font> <div></div><p>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <span class=date_text>09-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:44 PM</span>

[PigLick]

(Hehe, you need to remove those decimal points from your percentage increases Mills). PigLick <div></div>

[MillsFairchild]

lol, good catch. <div></div>

[SunT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MillsFairchild wrote:<BR> Here's some hard numbers showing a difference between the two.  There is a marked increase from Apprentice 1 to Adept III.<BR><BR><B>Personae Duplicate (Apprentice I)</B><BR><I>Average Damage per Spell:</I><BR><BR><U>Gloom</U><BR>34 dmg<BR><BR><U>Phantasmal Ray</U><BR>112 dmg<BR><BR><U>Ego Shock</U><BR>104 dmg<BR><BR><BR><B>Personae Duplicate (Adept III)</B><BR><I>Average Damage per Spell:</I><BR><BR><U>Gloom</U><BR>52 dmg<BR><I><FONT size=2>(153% increase)</FONT></I><BR><BR><U>Phantasmal Ray</U><BR>162 dmg<BR><I><FONT size=2>(145% increase)</FONT></I><BR><BR><U>Ego Shock</U><BR>166 dmg<BR><FONT size=2><I>(160% increase)<BR></I></FONT> <P>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <SPAN class=date_text>09-22-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:41 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Good info.  The percentage is skewed but I get the point.</P> <P>More like a 40% increase in DPS.</P> <P>So my Adept3 Dopple is doing 45ish DPS.  He would be doing around 30.  </P> <P>15 DPS is not worth the ruby.  I don't think you should waste your money.</P>

[MillsFairchild]

<div></div>I also figured out the total pet DPS difference: <font size="2"><i>Averaged over a sample of 18 fights...</i></font> <u>Personae Duplicate (Apprentice I)</u> DPS: 26.3 <u>Personae Duplicate (Adept III)</u> DPS: 46.4 <font size="2"><i>(76% increase) </i></font>These numbers are without Dynamism on the pet.  <b> Dynamism adds an average of 16.7 DPS to the Personae's output</b>. An extra 20 DPS over a 60 second fight is worth 1200 damage.  Not a <i>huge </i>difference, but a lot more of an upgrade than some other spells are.  If you can manage to find an Adept I of the spell, it might be a different story.<font size="2"><i> </i></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by MillsFairchild on <span class=date_text>09-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:25 PM</span>

[SunT]

The thing that frustrates me abotu the Dopple is that it is another non-scaling upgrade.  Casts tier 2 spells in tier 6.  It should scale, then it would be much more worthwhile than something to cast your Pris on.

[MillsFairchild]

I should have added that those pet DPS numbers are WITHOUT Dynamism on the pet (for a more accurate depiction of the pet's isolated numbers).  <b>Dynamism adds an average of 16.7 DPS to the pet's output</b>. btw, I agree.  It sucks that it casts Tier 2 spells. <div></div>

[Gni]

<P>Thanks but my question was why more related to why my Personae (pet) indicates level 34 when my character is level 50.</P> <P>A CS ticket did not explain it I was wondering if anyone here could.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks-</P>

[Padi]

<DIV>There are upgrade versions of your pet.  Get the level 47 version.</DIV>

[Jaxidi]

<DIV>An FYI for those who are getting a lower-level pet:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had the same problem at first because it wasn't completely clear to me which spell was highest level spell.  I was originally going by power costs and that turned out to be wrong.  The highest-level personae spell is the one that costs the least amount of power (at least it was for me a few days ago).  Just FYI in case you ran into the same problem as me.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[PigLick]

<span><blockquote><hr>Jaxidian wrote:<div>An FYI for those who are getting a lower-level pet:</div> <div> </div> <div>I had the same problem at first because it wasn't completely clear to me which spell was highest level spell.  I was originally going by power costs and that turned out to be wrong.  The highest-level personae spell is the one that costs the least amount of power (at least it was for me a few days ago).  Just FYI in case you ran into the same problem as me.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>Uh...maybe there are some sort of options or UI things we have set differently, but all you have to do is examine a spell and it tells you what level it is. PigLick</span><div></div>

[Volka]

I thought the plan for this thing was to have it cast spells one tier behind you so it did scale. What happened? <div></div>

[Drus]

<blockquote><hr>Volkarn wrote:I thought the plan for this thing was to have it cast spells one tier behind you so it did scale. What happened? <div></div><hr></blockquote>It got nerfed, how powerful would that have been eh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Charizma 50 IllusionistAd Idem Splitpaw

[KaynanEmberwood]

<span><blockquote><hr>Drus wrote:<blockquote><hr>Volkarn wrote:I thought the plan for this thing was to have it cast spells one tier behind you so it did scale. What happened? <div></div><hr></blockquote>It got nerfed, how powerful would that have been eh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Charizma 50 IllusionistAd Idem Splitpaw<hr></blockquote> Yea, cause our damage spells scale up so well don't they?  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Longer stuns and stifles would be nice though...</span><div></div>

[Gni]

<P>Thank you all;</P> <P>These changes will take some getting used to.</P> <P>Have a good day-</P>

[kaeleth]

Speaking of the personae pet, I have seen quite a few illusionists running around with a lower level pet...like 5 to 10 levels lower than they are...any reason for this?

[SunT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kaeleth wrote:<BR>Speaking of the personae pet, I have seen quite a few illusionists running around with a lower level pet...like 5 to 10 levels lower than they are...any reason for this? <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They cast the wrong spell, or they are low level and have leveled without re-casting the pet. If you are casting your highest pet it should be the same level as you are.