Suggested Changes for Warlock ... DEVS read please

[Keitho]

<div></div><font color="#ff0000">Dont flame each other ...we need to discuss..and get things solved..</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>My list of things Id like seen in order of Desperation.1) Fabled raid armor sets.  I like the stats very nice. The 3 outcomes from the fabled set though.             A) First tier of set-- like it ..def expected for being 1st tier of the set.             B) Second Tier of set---  Decent but not that attracting. Rift is a spell thats very nice but also VERY lets say hard to decide when to use. Id like some + crit  to                     hell    with + power would like it  but  +Crit Chance FTW            C)Third Tier of Set--- All I think is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Pwned.  + to resists worst thing to put in non PvP servers.  + more to crits LOL   ..no seriously though  what wizards get             +  to damage  like tons.. thats very nice ....  + x % to poison and + x % to disease  would nice as well ... to make them somewhat diffrent   <font color="#ff3300">  Def fix this soon.</font><font color="#ff3300"></font>2) AA Line Final----Aftershock     This is a very nice ability. But when its only 3% of zone wide DPS ...  it makes me cry.. Allow it to proc off our DD nukes ...are make this overall more damaging      spell. We never got to test this ability in BeTa, since it wasnt really fixed until Live. 3) Nil Crystals. These are completly useless. No other class uses these as much as we do. I burn 3 or 4 on epic fights and gain 1 or 2 back. Im left farming for em after raids deep in Sol Eye. Please berid us of this burden layed upon us.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class=date_text>12-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:58 PM</span>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#ff0000>Dont flame each other ...we need to discuss..and get things solved..</FONT><FONT color=#ff0000><BR></FONT><BR>My list of things Id like seen in order of Desperation.<BR><BR><BR>1) Fabled raid armor sets.  I like the stats very nice. The 3 outcomes from the fabled set though. <BR>            A) First tier of set-- like it ..def expected for being 1st tier of the set. <BR>            B) Second Tier of set---  Decent but not that attracting. Rift is a spell thats very nice but also VERY lets say hard to decide when to use. Id like some + crit  to                     hell    with + power would like it  but  +Crit Chance FTW<BR>            C)Third Tier of Set--- All I think is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Pwned.  + to resists worst thing to put in non PvP servers.  + more to crits LOL   ..no seriously though  what wizards get             +  to damage  like tons.. thats very nice ....  + x % to poison and + x % to disease  would nice as well ... to make them somewhat diffrent<BR>   <FONT color=#ff3300>  Def fix this soon.</FONT><FONT color=#ff3300><BR></FONT><BR>2) AA Line Final----Aftershock<BR>     This is a very nice ability. But when its only 3% of zone wide DPS ...  it makes me cry.. Allow it to proc off our DD nukes ...are make this overall more damaging      spell. We never got to test this ability in BeTa, since it wasnt really fixed until Live. <BR><BR><BR>3) Nil Crystals. These are completly useless. No other class uses these as much as we do. I burn 3 or 4 on epic fights and gain 1 or 2 back. Im left farming for em after raids deep in Sol Eye. Please berid us of this burden layed upon us.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <P>Message Edited by Keithoth on <SPAN class=date_text>12-22-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:58 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Your #1 prob with the warlock class is that our fabled raid armor bonus's are crap? I'm not dissagreeing that the 2nd and 3rd bonus are crap, but comon only 2 pieces of warlock armor have droped world wide. Most servers still have not seen one of them drop. Your 2nd prob is aftershock. I agree it may be slighly underpowered but remember lifeburn is going to get nerfed, and manaburn is a high mana/damage spell. Aftershock is up constently and no mana use is attached to it. Your 3rd issue is the Nil crystals. That is not realy adding anythign consuctive to your post every warlock has complained about them, and sony has no intention of getting rid of them.'</P> <P>A real issue would be Dark infestation goes off the mob when broodlings spawn, hurting our single target DPS. Or Devistation is still the only "Green AE" spell that is limited to 5 targets. Or sugesting somthing like Broodlings AA should have them out for an additonal 1.2 seconds since they do damage every 3 seconds so having 5 points in the AA will add 2 ticks to them, where now there is basicaly no difference between 3 and 5 AA's in that slot. As well as the Netherous Realm AA by redusing the lastign time its doing nothing for the overall DPS of the spell, with it havign a 1 min downtime after its cast makes this AA line useless adding 2 extra secons or reducing the proc time by .33 secs per AA in the line are much better options.</P> <P>There are alot more small issues with  the warlock class wich deserver teh devs attention rather then [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing the amour I don't have sucks, compared to teh wizard armor that noone I know has.</P>

[Niun01]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mastire wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Keithoth wrote: <div></div><font color="#ff0000">Dont flame each other ...we need to discuss..and get things solved..</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>My list of things Id like seen in order of Desperation.1) Fabled raid armor sets.  I like the stats very nice. The 3 outcomes from the fabled set though.             A) First tier of set-- like it ..def expected for being 1st tier of the set.             B) Second Tier of set---  Decent but not that attracting. Rift is a spell thats very nice but also VERY lets say hard to decide when to use. Id like some + crit  to                     hell    with + power would like it  but  +Crit Chance FTW            C)Third Tier of Set--- All I think is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Pwned.  + to resists worst thing to put in non PvP servers.  + more to crits LOL   ..no seriously though  what wizards get             +  to damage  like tons.. thats very nice ....  + x % to poison and + x % to disease  would nice as well ... to make them somewhat diffrent   <font color="#ff3300">  Def fix this soon.</font><font color="#ff3300"></font>2) AA Line Final----Aftershock     This is a very nice ability. But when its only 3% of zone wide DPS ...  it makes me cry.. Allow it to proc off our DD nukes ...are make this overall more damaging      spell. We never got to test this ability in BeTa, since it wasnt really fixed until Live. 3) Nil Crystals. These are completly useless. No other class uses these as much as we do. I burn 3 or 4 on epic fights and gain 1 or 2 back. Im left farming for em after raids deep in Sol Eye. Please berid us of this burden layed upon us. <div></div> <p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class="date_text">12-22-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:58 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Your #1 prob with the warlock class is that our fabled raid armor bonus's are crap? I'm not dissagreeing that the 2nd and 3rd bonus are crap, but comon only 2 pieces of warlock armor have droped world wide. Most servers still have not seen one of them drop. Your 2nd prob is aftershock. I agree it may be slighly underpowered but remember lifeburn is going to get nerfed, and manaburn is a high mana/damage spell. Aftershock is up constently and no mana use is attached to it. Your 3rd issue is the Nil crystals. That is not realy adding anythign consuctive to your post every warlock has complained about them, and sony has no intention of getting rid of them.'</p> <p>A real issue would be Dark infestation goes off the mob when broodlings spawn, hurting our single target DPS. Or Devistation is still the only "Green AE" spell that is limited to 5 targets. Or sugesting somthing like Broodlings AA should have them out for an additonal 1.2 seconds since they do damage every 3 seconds so having 5 points in the AA will add 2 ticks to them, where now there is basicaly no difference between 3 and 5 AA's in that slot. As well as the Netherous Realm AA by redusing the lastign time its doing nothing for the overall DPS of the spell, with it havign a 1 min downtime after its cast makes this AA line useless adding 2 extra secons or reducing the proc time by .33 secs per AA in the line are much better options.</p> <p>There are alot more small issues with  the warlock class wich deserver teh devs attention rather then [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing the amour I don't have sucks, compared to teh wizard armor that noone I know has.</p><hr></blockquote>Wake up on the wrong side of the bed Mastire? Both Soulbringer and you have valid points... and if you have ever seen soulbringers gear, you would see that he has already started collecting the Dark Arts gear so has a very valid reason to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about it.And Nil Crystals SUCK! Wether they are going to fix it or not, the fact remains the same.</div>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Niun01 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Mastire wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Keithoth wrote: <div></div><font color="#ff0000">Dont flame each other ...we need to discuss..and get things solved..</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>My list of things Id like seen in order of Desperation.1) Fabled raid armor sets.  I like the stats very nice. The 3 outcomes from the fabled set though.             A) First tier of set-- like it ..def expected for being 1st tier of the set.             B) Second Tier of set---  Decent but not that attracting. Rift is a spell thats very nice but also VERY lets say hard to decide when to use. Id like some + crit  to                     hell    with + power would like it  but  +Crit Chance FTW            C)Third Tier of Set--- All I think is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Pwned.  + to resists worst thing to put in non PvP servers.  + more to crits LOL   ..no seriously though  what wizards get             +  to damage  like tons.. thats very nice ....  + x % to poison and + x % to disease  would nice as well ... to make them somewhat diffrent   <font color="#ff3300">  Def fix this soon.</font><font color="#ff3300"></font>2) AA Line Final----Aftershock     This is a very nice ability. But when its only 3% of zone wide DPS ...  it makes me cry.. Allow it to proc off our DD nukes ...are make this overall more damaging      spell. We never got to test this ability in BeTa, since it wasnt really fixed until Live. 3) Nil Crystals. These are completly useless. No other class uses these as much as we do. I burn 3 or 4 on epic fights and gain 1 or 2 back. Im left farming for em after raids deep in Sol Eye. Please berid us of this burden layed upon us. <div></div> <p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class="date_text">12-22-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:58 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Your #1 prob with the warlock class is that our fabled raid armor bonus's are crap? I'm not dissagreeing that the 2nd and 3rd bonus are crap, but comon only 2 pieces of warlock armor have droped world wide. Most servers still have not seen one of them drop. Your 2nd prob is aftershock. I agree it may be slighly underpowered but remember lifeburn is going to get nerfed, and manaburn is a high mana/damage spell. Aftershock is up constently and no mana use is attached to it. Your 3rd issue is the Nil crystals. That is not realy adding anythign consuctive to your post every warlock has complained about them, and sony has no intention of getting rid of them.'</p> <p>A real issue would be Dark infestation goes off the mob when broodlings spawn, hurting our single target DPS. Or Devistation is still the only "Green AE" spell that is limited to 5 targets. Or sugesting somthing like Broodlings AA should have them out for an additonal 1.2 seconds since they do damage every 3 seconds so having 5 points in the AA will add 2 ticks to them, where now there is basicaly no difference between 3 and 5 AA's in that slot. As well as the Netherous Realm AA by redusing the lastign time its doing nothing for the overall DPS of the spell, with it havign a 1 min downtime after its cast makes this AA line useless adding 2 extra secons or reducing the proc time by .33 secs per AA in the line are much better options.</p> <p>There are alot more small issues with  the warlock class wich deserver teh devs attention rather then [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing the amour I don't have sucks, compared to teh wizard armor that noone I know has.</p><hr></blockquote>Wake up on the wrong side of the bed Mastire? Both Soulbringer and you have valid points... and if you have ever seen soulbringers gear, you would see that he has already started collecting the Dark Arts gear so has a very valid reason to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about it.And Nil Crystals SUCK! Wether they are going to fix it or not, the fact remains the same.</div><hr></blockquote>I was stating my list of things...but Ill explain why.  My DPS is fine geat. Can be worked on and tweaked like always. BUt im still top 3 or 4 in zones following wizard by 10 or depending how many whipes we have. (which i hate including whipes in dps lol)    Class specific Gear- I am a hardcore raider. These fabled sets are to set a limit to the Level Of Progression you can kill. While Guardians get more defence, Templars better heals, Dirges more gorup buff Dps, Wizard more dps. Its to bring you to the next par of raiding. Thats why I request that number 1.  <font color="#ff3333">BTW if you didnt know I have 2 pieces of set.</font>    Aftersshock-  This more relates to me cause I use the line. Prob wont be getting out. DPS is Dps  be it 3 or 4% to 10-15%  zone wide it adds to your dps. I would just like it increased according to the points. I used in the line.   Nil Crystals--This was just a wild shot out there. LOL  Thought Id try. I use Netherlord everyfight  ...(every little dps to make it higher) Corrupt everytime its uup and usually same with rift as long as i know im not gunna get agro.  So IM using 100+ crystals a night...so farming stinks...While there might be other things. I just made this page so we can all add suggestions to a overall for the devs. To take a look. Yes dark infestation def needs work  but ya know Im scared of them fixinf it LOL  ...FYI the other times they were screwed up. Heck Id love  aoe avoid  on them same with netherlord.   </div>

[Hellswrath]

<P>I'm <EM>not</EM> a hardcore raider, but I still think what they did with the warlock fabled set is laughable at best and should be fixed.  While I don't expect to see any of this gear soon (my guild is just starting into raiding), I care very much about the concept of having the various set armor for different classes at least be equivalent in value.  Right now the warlock set is not up to this standard.  I remember how much posting it took by warlocks in beta to get the AA line to amount to anything remotely worthwhile, and I really hope they realized after they fixed our AA's some that they had been treating warlocks as a second rate class.  This armor set is either a holdover from before that, or they didn't actually learn anything.  Regardless, it needs adjustment.</P> <P>As far as Dark Infestation, lol, I'm scared of them "fixing" it as well.  The nil crystals are an excellent point as we have so many useful spells that use them.  The way I see it, we have 2 spells that can give us a nil crystal, therefore we should have only 2 spells that use them at most.  IMO, anyway.  I would, of course, prefer to just see them disappear, since the mechanic of it seems useless to me for our class.</P> <P>Aftershock is definitely underpowered.  It should be fixed to be worth caring about.  I won't dwell on this since we already have a thread talking this issue.</P>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I was stating my list of things...but Ill explain why.  My DPS is fine geat. Can be worked on and tweaked like always. BUt im still top 3 or 4 in zones following wizard by 10 or depending how many whipes we have. (which i hate including whipes in dps lol)<BR><BR>    Class specific Gear- I am a hardcore raider. These fabled sets are to set a limit to the Level Of Progression you can kill. While Guardians get more defence, Templars better heals, Dirges more gorup buff Dps, Wizard more dps. Its to bring you to the next par of raiding. Thats why I request that number 1.  <FONT color=#ff3333>BTW if you didnt know I have 2 pieces of set.</FONT><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>I think 8 pieces have droped worldwide, you are the only one with 2 pieces. you sill are 3 pieces short of the it having a problem. And I'm not disagreeing with you I just don't think that this problem effects noone yet. And probbaly won't effect anyone for another month or more.</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> <DIV><BR>    Aftersshock-  This more relates to me cause I use the line. Prob wont be getting out. DPS is Dps  be it 3 or 4% to 10-15%  zone wide it adds to your dps. I would just like it increased according to the points. I used in the line. </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>I'll wait to coment on this after I respec into it to try it out, but I do think the Faster casting is the equivelent to Manaburn/Lifeburn</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>  Nil Crystals--This was just a wild shot out there. LOL  Thought Id try. I use Netherlord everyfight  ...(every little dps to make it higher) Corrupt everytime its uup and usually same with rift as long as i know im not gunna get agro.  So IM using 100+ crystals a night...so farming stinks...<BR><BR>While there might be other things. I just made this page so we can all add suggestions to a overall for the devs. To take a look. Yes dark infestation def needs work  but ya know Im scared of them fixinf it LOL  ...FYI the other times they were screwed up. Heck Id love  aoe avoid  on them same with netherlord.<BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>