Warlock EoF fabled armor set

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pilgrim Divine wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div>i notice the wizzies hat adds +27 to int whilst ours +37 int. How much more damage roughly does that equate too? maybe that compensates a little for the lack of + overall spell damage? but yes, shame there's no extra crit bonus.edit:ok, just added +7 int item in game and in gave me +11 extra spell damage. so +10 more int maybe gives about +13-14 more spell damage? If the rest of the pieces in this set are similar. i.e more int, would that not equate to +50 extra spell damage anyway?<div></div><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Pilgrim Divine on <span class="date_text">12-05-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:16 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>There is a return curve for int...one of the posts reprasents it ..    but during raids im sitting bout 950 int ..10k poewr .. ewll with changes today  about 9.800 power  BUT  wizard is sitting at that same mark .... at that point  INT   means [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] ...ya str means awesome for all those  melee..but casters seems to get screwed  at 950 i used potion for 60 int .  i got like 15 more damage or so ...thus  ...........6 class pieces  with 10 more int ..still  doesnt equal +50 damage striaght  up ...  SOE mostr likely just threw this class armor in  cause they forgot to  at the beginning of beta and forgot about it..thus we are now complaining  ...which they new was gunna happen ...theyll hopefully have a fix  with something USEFULL ....</div>

[housto]

Looks nice.  Where does this stuff drop?  Just in the EoF x4 instances, or elsewhere?<div></div>

[Thief]

I think i'll just wear 3 pieces <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I wish we got some lube this time, just so it's not the usual dry [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].<div></div>

[Hellswrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thief wrote:<BR>I think i'll just wear 3 pieces <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I wish we got some lube this time, just so it's not the usual dry [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>ROFLMAO.  Best phrased post I've read all week.  You truly captured out dilema.

[Ravenhoft]

I am trying very very hard to not get discouraged again with the Warlock.  I mean seriously, what is going on with us?  Why is it from diety choices to similar gear choices, we ALWAYS get the short end of the stick?  I just reread the dps parse post (the entire thing) on the Wizard boards and Warlocks are usually way below wizard counterparts.  I counted 5 times total in 9 pages of parse posts where a Warlock beat out a Wizard.  Their gear is better, the AA lines are better, custom fit diety choice, more group utility, seriously, what is the deal?  I am tempted to just quit reading the boards, I want to be a warlock, but I also want to be worth a flying [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] compared to everyone else.<div></div>

[Zarquon]

<P>Ooops, Dbl Post...</P><p>Message Edited by Zarquon on <span class=date_text>12-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:32 PM</span>

[Zarquon]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ravenhoft wrote: I am trying very very hard to not get discouraged again with the Warlock.  I mean seriously, what is going on with us?  Why is it from diety choices to similar gear choices, we ALWAYS get the short end of the stick?  I just reread the dps parse post (the entire thing) on the Wizard boards and Warlocks are usually way below wizard counterparts.  I counted 5 times total in 9 pages of parse posts where a Warlock beat out a Wizard.  Their gear is better, the AA lines are better, custom fit diety choice, more group utility, seriously, what is the deal?  I am tempted to just quit reading the boards, I want to be a warlock, but I also want to be worth a flying [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] compared to everyone else. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's easy.</P> <P><A href="http://www.eq2census.com" target=_blank>www.eq2census.com</A>, type in Level 70, by Class, Count.</P> <P></P><BR>Wizard - 4166<BR><BR>Fury - 3252<BR><BR>Conjuror - 3139<BR><BR>Templar - 3099<BR><BR>Guardian - 3023<BR><BR>Necromancer - 2997<BR><BR>Berserker - 2894<BR><BR>Paladin - 2687<BR><BR>Ranger - 2369<BR><BR>Monk - 2231<BR><BR>Warden - 2113<BR><BR>Warlock - 1962<BR><BR>Assassin - 1920<BR><BR>Shadow Knight - 1871<BR><BR>Mystic - 1724<BR><BR>Inquisitor - 1643<BR><BR>Bruiser - 1643<BR><BR>Dirge - 1587<BR><BR>Swashbuckler - 1540<BR><BR>Brigand - 1514<BR><BR>Defiler - 1418<BR><BR>Illusionist - 1198<BR><BR>Troubador - 1162<BR><BR>Coercer - 1147<BR> <P></P> <P>Surprise, surprise. Wizards are at the top of the list.  1 in every 12.5 level 70 characters is a wizard.  I blame Gandalf.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Zarquon on <span class=date_text>12-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:32 PM</span>

[Niun01]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ravenhoft wrote:I am trying very very hard to not get discouraged again with the Warlock.  I mean seriously, what is going on with us?  Why is it from diety choices to similar gear choices, we ALWAYS get the short end of the stick?  I just reread the dps parse post (the entire thing) on the Wizard boards and Warlocks are usually way below wizard counterparts.  I counted 5 times total in 9 pages of parse posts where a Warlock beat out a Wizard.  Their gear is better, the AA lines are better, custom fit diety choice, more group utility, seriously, what is the deal?  I am tempted to just quit reading the boards, I want to be a warlock, but I also want to be worth a flying [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] compared to everyone else.<div></div><hr></blockquote>psst.. The lead Dev. is a wizard..</div>

[iceriven2]

i say about 8/10 are bot grps....

[LazyPurp]

That hurt SoE - wow Wizards get all the lovin <div></div>

[Gnomie]

<DIV>     I predict the effects will get modified. Damage on corrupts gift. My least used spell. Rift. second least used spell on raids. And less resists is just sad lol.  Nothing in this set helps our dps much at all. Wizzy set is uber and helps thier dps considerably. 8% TO CRITS! when most sit at 10% or so self buffed. basically doubling thier crit chance. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>    poor warlocks. give this set some love and make us want to wear it for the effects and not just some stats</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>giot </DIV>

[Ballhamm]

<P>This stuff is junk. Why would I want to put in the work to get this crap? I swear I want to betray and switch to wizard. This second hand, thoughtless, useless Fabled gear they have come up with is sad. I was all excited to see the new gear and see how much better I would be if I was able to get my fat little fingers on it. I saw some of the wizzie gear first and thought, "wow, I bet our gear is gonna rock"  WRONG!</P> <P>Faster reuse for Rift? I hardly ever use Rift. Too much risk of getting adds in tiny little EOF dungeons with adds through walls and all that. Plus, in the time it takes to cast it, half the mobs are already dead. Pretty much useless unless you have lots of room and a huge group of mobs. And if you don't have a huge group, go ahead and cast it in Acadechism and you soon will. </P> <P>Corrupt Gift? Just another wasted effect. Why not give us +65 dmg to Absolute Void or Apocalypse. I'm gonna get aggro from Apocalypse anyway so might as well increase the damge per tick. </P> <P>Man, I want the increase damage to all spells, + to power and the +% to crit. That is something to strive for. Not this garbage you're offering us. Didn't wizzies get enough with their God? Yay, I get increase damage to all heat dmg spells....oh wait, I don't have any. </P> <P>Warlock = /grabankles</P> <P> </P> <P>Sleat BiggSexxy</P> <P>70 Ogre Warlock ~ Oasis</P>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ballhammer wrote: <P>Faster reuse for Rift? I hardly ever use Rift. Too much risk of getting adds in tiny little EOF dungeons with adds through walls and all that. Plus, in the time it takes to cast it, half the mobs are already dead. Pretty much useless unless you have lots of room and a huge group of mobs. And if you don't have a huge group, go ahead and cast it in Acadechism and you soon will.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree the set bonuses are weak, but pulling adds in dungeons is fun. I use rift and caress as much as possible to mess with my tanks/healers. With a good group you'll all live (except in castle mistmore). My favorite trick is sack of marbles in Den of the Devourer. We make record times on those runs, but the group can't be slacking.

[Araxes]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>TheStateFish wrote:pulling adds in dungeons is fun. I use rift and caress as much as possible to mess with my tanks/healers. With a good group you'll all live (except in castle mistmore). My favorite trick is sack of marbles in Den of the Devourer. We make record times on those runs, but the group can't be slacking.<hr></blockquote>Well ... yes.  The power of the warlock lies in the fact that we can be the sole provider of DPS on instance runs and clear the zone as fast as if there were 3 other DPS classes in our place.The downside is that it utterly pisses off 99% of tanks and healers bc 99% of tanks and healers have absolutely no idea how to handle mutliple encounters and get totally flustered.Okay maybe that assessment is a bit harsh ... let's say about 70% of them get overwhelmed. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Still not great odds for us in either case.</div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:02 PM</span>

[Subsanity]

<DIV>This game is just sucking more [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] day by day.</DIV>

[Hellswrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ballhammer wrote: <P>Faster reuse for Rift? I hardly ever use Rift. Too much risk of getting adds in tiny little EOF dungeons with adds through walls and all that. Plus, in the time it takes to cast it, half the mobs are already dead. Pretty much useless unless you have lots of room and a huge group of mobs. And if you don't have a huge group, go ahead and cast it in Acadechism and you soon will.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree the set bonuses are weak, but pulling adds in dungeons is fun. I use rift and caress as much as possible to mess with my tanks/healers. With a good group you'll all live (except in castle mistmore). My favorite trick is sack of marbles in Den of the Devourer. We make record times on those runs, but the group can't be slacking.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>ROFL.  Hell yeah.  Null Caress is the greatest spell ever for freaking out the tanks and healers (not to mention the rest of the group :smileywink: ).  I think that pulling the entire floor in each area of the Nest is even more fun than the Den, though.  Difficulty level doesn't compare, however.  But the screen is filled with mobs and numbers flying at a much more satisfying rate. hehe.  <EM>Then</EM> you use Null Caress and listen to the fun reactions on whatever voip you have.  Especially if you have the record button handy.:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>There I go getting off topic.  Fabled set armor still needs to be fixed, regardless.</P><p>Message Edited by HellsWrath99 on <span class=date_text>12-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 PM</span>

[Keitho]

Not sure where post was  but  ..someone said Corrupt  Gift sucked..........are you crazy ...thats uer nice the spell is nice ..  you do ANY spell 70-130 damage to target  enoucnter  UMmm  lasts  30 seconds  ...thats a lot of dps and to get  +65 to it ..even niver its  like have a 180 damage proc  if you go progation line you can have it up for 40 seconds recast 1 min 20 sec  ... i dunno i kidna think a self proc like that is  nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Hellswrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR>Not sure where post was  but  ..someone said Corrupt  Gift sucked..........are you crazy ...thats uer nice the spell is nice ..  you do ANY spell 70-130 damage to target  enoucnter  UMmm  lasts  30 seconds  ...thats a lot of dps and to get  +65 to it ..even niver its  like have a 180 damage proc  if you go progation line you can have it up for 40 seconds recast 1 min 20 sec  ... i dunno i kidna think a self proc like that is  nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Agreed.  Corrupt Gift is an excellent spell when used properly.  The first set bonus is fine.  </P> <P>.............</P> <P>Well!  That about sums up the good set bonuses on the fabled set armor. hehe</P>

[Inebriation]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Felshades wrote:<BR>courtesy of a link from a good buddy of mine's guildmate.. on another server...<BR><BR>aITEM 1829781471 -1436237720:Cap of Dark Arts/a<BR><BR>copy/paste into chat.<BR><BR>his guildie got it, i nearly [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] myself. :/ aaaahh<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] SOE   ...didnt we go over this in beta  LOL ..just because you up our dps doesnt mean  you gotta f us in the  class  armor  ..<BR><BR>1)  Corrupt Gift NIce thing<BR><BR>2) Rift reduce UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm  Would be nice but up the damage on rift to make it more useful in a raid scenerio  .....  do i  raid and get 12 + mobs   PLUS the wizard gets +100 power   for the 2nd part of set  ...ya     and increases crit chance ...ID LOVE CRIT over rift  ...i dunon aobut everyone else<BR><BR><BR>3)  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  8%  resists  ..LOL didnt we go  over this in BETA  ...  WE DO NOT NEED  INCREASE RESISTS  WE HIT FINE WITH OUR  BUFF THAT INCREASES  OUR CHACNE TO HIT .. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  Wizards get  50 extra damage to all spells for final part of sets ...  Id love this lol  ..I mean cmon now ...resists ...<BR><BR>PLease do something  to this  lol or ill still be wearing my t6 helm  for   a long time lol<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Power? Useless for me, I could care less, but crit chance, hell yeah I would take that over Rift reduced recast any day. I rarely use Rift as you said.. when I see at least 6 mob encounters I will usually throw it in there, other than that, the long-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] casting time is just wasted ext-dps.

[Inebriation]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR>Not sure where post was  but  ..someone said Corrupt  Gift sucked..........are you crazy ...thats uer nice the spell is nice ..  you do ANY spell 70-130 damage to target  enoucnter  UMmm  lasts  30 seconds  ...thats a lot of dps and to get  +65 to it ..even niver its  like have a 180 damage proc  if you go progation line you can have it up for 40 seconds recast 1 min 20 sec  ... i dunno i kidna think a self proc like that is  nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You are correct sir... combine Corrupt with Netherous Realm? Oh [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!

[LlewCadey]

thought i might share what warlocks get on the PVP servers as pvp rewards<img src="http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6954/eq2000331jr6.jpg"><div></div>

[Mastire]

<DIV>Umm they made the items group abilities worse. Witha +65 on corupt gift I woudl have used the spell every chance I got, makign it a nice add-on. And we are maily posion based. so changing the resistability<allready useless> to deseise is worse even if it is 3% more. </DIV>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mastire wrote:<div>Umm they made the items group abilities worse. Witha +65 on corupt gift I woudl have used the spell every chance I got, makign it a nice add-on. And we are maily posion based. so changing the resistability<allready useless> to deseise is worse even if it is 3% more. </div><hr></blockquote>just ingore those pics if you are  not pvp ...  pvp  and live   nothing in common.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />..pvpers get hand outs ... just like like  kids at the candy shop ...</div>

[Melseb]

More proof that very little thought went into warlock set bonuses. The 7 item bonus makes DISEASE spells less resistable. We only have like, what.... 3 disease spells? Absolutely [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Daenarys70 WarlockMob SquadKithicor<div></div>

[Melseb]

<div></div><div></div>Double postDaenarys70 WarlockMob SquadKithicor<div></div><p>Message Edited by Melseb on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:53 PM</span>

[Noaani]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LazyPurple wrote:<BR>That hurt SoE - wow Wizards get all the lovin <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As much as I agree that the warlock set bonuses suck, dont go thinking us wizards are getting it that much better.</P> <P>Our first bonus is a measly 60 damage added on to our PBAoE, which is ok, but hardly great. Oue second bonus is actually quite nice, some extra power, and 8% crit. Nice, but hardly worth giving up 5 effects from other items that I would have to replace. The last bonus for wizards is just as bad as what you guys get though, as good as +50 to all spells sounds, remember that it is even less than the Cloak of the Burning Prince, and so is basically useless due to that whole normalisation crap. Also, so far, the warlock set seems to have higher base stats, resists and raw power/HP, but until both sets have been discovered, that is not something that can really be judged.<BR></P>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Noaani wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LazyPurple wrote:<BR>That hurt SoE - wow Wizards get all the lovin <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As much as I agree that the warlock set bonuses suck, dont go thinking us wizards are getting it that much better.</P> <P>Our first bonus is a measly 60 damage added on to our PBAoE, which is ok, but hardly great. Oue second bonus is actually quite nice, some extra power, and 8% crit. Nice, but hardly worth giving up 5 effects from other items that I would have to replace. The last bonus for wizards is just as bad as what you guys get though, as good as +50 to all spells sounds, remember that it is even less than the Cloak of the Burning Prince, and so is basically useless due to that whole normalisation crap. Also, so far, the warlock set seems to have higher base stats, resists and raw power/HP, but until both sets have been discovered, that is not something that can really be judged.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Remember that our higher int on the armor is compensating for your int buff.<BR>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Noaani wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LazyPurple wrote:<BR>That hurt SoE - wow Wizards get all the lovin <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As much as I agree that the warlock set bonuses suck, dont go thinking us wizards are getting it that much better.</P> <P>Our first bonus is a measly 60 damage added on to our PBAoE, which is ok, but hardly great. Oue second bonus is actually quite nice, some extra power, and 8% crit. Nice, but hardly worth giving up 5 effects from other items that I would have to replace. The last bonus for wizards is just as bad as what you guys get though, as good as +50 to all spells sounds, remember that it is even less than the Cloak of the Burning Prince, and so is basically useless due to that whole normalisation crap. Also, so far, the warlock set seems to have higher base stats, resists and raw power/HP, but until both sets have been discovered, that is not something that can really be judged.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Our 1st Bonus on a spell most warlocks rarly use due to the stupid Nil crystals. So both are probably fine.</P> <P>Our 2nd Bonus 25 secs off rift. That is nice, exect rift is very situational, most times it is up on my hotbar, so takign 25 srcs off is totaly [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. You as well get a 100 mana increase. Big adantage wizzard</P> <P>Our 3rd bonus is the worst one. 7% reduction in resistability. 99% of my spells don't get resisted. we have a spell that helps with that. This is totaly useless. 50 Damage to all spells is like 2 arornments. Its nohting great but its 1000x better then that.</P> <P>So wizards effects are 1000x better then warlocks</P>

[Hellswrath]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Noaani wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LazyPurple wrote:<BR>That hurt SoE - wow Wizards get all the lovin <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As much as I agree that the warlock set bonuses suck, dont go thinking us wizards are getting it that much better.</P> <P>Our first bonus is a measly 60 damage added on to our PBAoE, which is ok, but hardly great. Oue second bonus is actually quite nice, some extra power, and 8% crit. Nice, but hardly worth giving up 5 effects from other items that I would have to replace. The last bonus for wizards is just as bad as what you guys get though, as good as +50 to all spells sounds, remember that it is even less than the Cloak of the Burning Prince, and so is basically useless due to that whole normalisation crap. Also, so far, the warlock set seems to have higher base stats, resists and raw power/HP, but until both sets have been discovered, that is not something that can really be judged.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I can't believe you even attempted to downplay the +8% chance to crit.  I understand your argument that you don't feel it's worth giving up the bonuses from items you would have to replace to get this bonus, but that has nothing to do with the comparison between wizard and warlock set armor.  If <EM>you</EM> don't think +100power and +8% chance to crit is worth giving up your current bonuses, think how <EM>warlocks </EM>feel about giving up the same bonuses for something as nerfalicious as -25 sec to rift recast (yes, I made that word all on my own :smileywink: ).  Anyway, I agree that the last ability should be fixed for both of us due to the normalization of the +spell damage.  It is a joke for both classes.  It's still better than the improvement to resistability that warlocks already have a spell to help with, however.</DIV>

[Noaani]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HellsWrath99 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I can't believe you even attempted to downplay the +8% chance to crit.  I understand your argument that you don't feel it's worth giving up the bonuses from items you would have to replace to get this bonus, but that has nothing to do with the comparison between wizard and warlock set armor.  If <EM>you</EM> don't think +100power and +8% chance to crit is worth giving up your current bonuses, think how <EM>warlocks </EM>feel about giving up the same bonuses for something as nerfalicious as -25 sec to rift recast (yes, I made that word all on my own :smileywink: ).  Anyway, I agree that the last ability should be fixed for both of us due to the normalization of the +spell damage.  It is a joke for both classes.  It's still better than the improvement to resistability that warlocks already have a spell to help with, however.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah, I am not saying that the wizard set is total crap, I agree it is better than the warlock set. I was mearly pointing out to the person that commented that wizards get all the love (the person i quoted in that post in fact) that the wizard set is not all that great. 8% srit is nice, I agree, buy as i said, its not nearly worth what I would be gicing up for it (in fact, its not worth giving up just the nest robe for, let alone the other slots). 100 power is nothing.</P> <P>Reducing resists that you guys get is total crap, but all caster sets really need work, not just warlocks.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>Remember that our higher int on the armor is compensating for your int buff.<BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So where is our +33 to all casting skills that you guys get? And dont forget, that buff is a group wide buff that all mages except for warlocks and conjurors get, so if you have another mage in your group, which is more than likely, you will have that buff (remember this is raid loot, therefore only applies to raid settings). The + casting skills buff is warlock only, and i do not often have a warlock in my group on raids.<BR><BR></P>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Noaani wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HellsWrath99 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I can't believe you even attempted to downplay the +8% chance to crit.  I understand your argument that you don't feel it's worth giving up the bonuses from items you would have to replace to get this bonus, but that has nothing to do with the comparison between wizard and warlock set armor.  If <EM>you</EM> don't think +100power and +8% chance to crit is worth giving up your current bonuses, think how <EM>warlocks </EM>feel about giving up the same bonuses for something as nerfalicious as -25 sec to rift recast (yes, I made that word all on my own :smileywink: ).  Anyway, I agree that the last ability should be fixed for both of us due to the normalization of the +spell damage.  It is a joke for both classes.  It's still better than the improvement to resistability that warlocks already have a spell to help with, however.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah, I am not saying that the wizard set is total crap, I agree it is better than the warlock set. I was mearly pointing out to the person that commented that wizards get all the love (the person i quoted in that post in fact) that the wizard set is not all that great. 8% srit is nice, I agree, buy as i said, its not nearly worth what I would be gicing up for it (in fact, its not worth giving up just the nest robe for, let alone the other slots). 100 power is nothing.</P> <P>Reducing resists that you guys get is total crap, but all caster sets really need work, not just warlocks.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>Remember that our higher int on the armor is compensating for your int buff.<BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So where is our +33 to all casting skills that you guys get? And dont forget, that buff is a group wide buff that all mages except for warlocks and conjurors get, so if you have another mage in your group, which is more than likely, you will have that buff (remember this is raid loot, therefore only applies to raid settings). The + casting skills buff is warlock only, and i do not often have a warlock in my group on raids.<BR><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The + casting skill buff is a group buff also. And I don't always have another mage in the group with the +int buff. Especially now with my 15% hate buff. <BR>

[Noaani]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <BR>The + casting skill buff is a group buff also. And I don't always have another mage in the group with the +int buff. Especially now with my 15% hate buff.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, I should have been more clear. I am aware that the warlock + skills buff is for the whole group (otherwise you guys getting + aggression put in to it would be pointless), what I was pointing out was the fact that in most raid setups, a warlock will have a mage with the same group int buff that wizards get, and another mage will be much less likely to have a warlock for the + skills buff.</P> <P>Oh, and if I knew you had Vacuous, I would make sure you were in a group with every wizard on my raid, as an increase to all sorcerer detaunts and the troub buff will increase raidwide DPS by a lot more than putting you in a melee heavy group (I assume it affects them all, sounds like it should).</P>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Noaani wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <BR>The + casting skill buff is a group buff also. And I don't always have another mage in the group with the +int buff. Especially now with my 15% hate buff.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, I should have been more clear. I am aware that the warlock + skills buff is for the whole group (otherwise you guys getting + aggression put in to it would be pointless), what I was pointing out was the fact that in most raid setups, a warlock will have a mage with the same group int buff that wizards get, and another mage will be much less likely to have a warlock for the + skills buff.</P> <P>Oh, and if I knew you had Vacuous, I would make sure you were in a group with every wizard on my raid, as an increase to all sorcerer detaunts and the troub buff will increase raidwide DPS by a lot more than putting you in a melee heavy group (I assume it affects them all, sounds like it should).</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It does affect any skill that has a # value of hate increase or decrease. When we're short a coercer or dirge for hate transfer, or say the swash/assassin is slacking, my static 15% to taunts is better than nothing, and it's better to have it on the MT than on just a few dps. The whole raid then benefits. </P> <P>In those situations it's nice to be able to boost my int solo, and the gear as it stands does that. But the effects are weak. I'd not likely wear it over what I currently use in most armor slots currently.</P>

[Noaani]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> TheStateFish wrote: <P><BR>It does affect any skill that has a # value of hate increase or decrease. When we're short a coercer or dirge for hate transfer, or say the swash/assassin is slacking, my static 15% to taunts is better than nothing, and it's better to have it on the MT than on just a few dps. The whole raid then benefits.</P> <P>In those situations it's nice to be able to boost my int solo, and the gear as it stands does that. But the effects are weak. I'd not likely wear it over what I currently use in most armor slots currently.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>OK, either that skill has changed from when I last read about it, or I just missread what it did. As it sounds, it would be good to have in the MT group if you are short on a hate gain class. That said, in order for it to really be worth it, you would need to only have one other hate increasing class in the raid, as the Dirge, Coercer, Assassin and Swashbuckler hate increases are all better than 15% to taunts. In that situation I can see why you would want to max your int, but I would assume that a situation that sees you in the MT group like that should be rather rare (although your + to aggression may or may not prove to be useful for tanks having taunts land, if it turns out to be useful, warlocks may find themselves in the MT group a little more often).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the effects, yeah, when you look at what you get from the whole set, in terms of total stats, power, HP, resists and effects, so far KoS gear is much better overall than any mage armor set (except for the PvP set, which IMO blows everything else in the game away... GG SoE).</DIV>

[Gnomie]

<P>Vacuous only affects temporary skills. Not Troubador deaggro, not coercer Harmonious link, not illusionist synergism. Only taunts, detaunts by 15%.  Kinda sucks and not sure if i would pick it over other choices that are far more useful.</P> <P> </P> <P>giot </P>

[Hellswrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnomie wrote:<BR> <P>Vacuous only affects temporary skills. Not Troubador deaggro, not coercer Harmonious link, not illusionist synergism. Only taunts, detaunts by 15%.  Kinda sucks and not sure if i would pick it over other choices that are far more useful.</P> <P> </P> <P>giot </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Of course you wouldn't.  But if you don't have those available, it's nothing to scoff at.  Not to mention that just because it doesn't affect those skills doesn't mean it doesn't help to have in addition to them.

[Roobarb]

<DIV>Got the shoulder last night copy/paste into chat.   aITEM 681723656 456002233:Cowl of Dark Arts/a  </DIV>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HellsWrath99 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnomie wrote:<BR> <P>Vacuous only affects temporary skills. Not Troubador deaggro, not coercer Harmonious link, not illusionist synergism. Only taunts, detaunts by 15%.  Kinda sucks and not sure if i would pick it over other choices that are far more useful.</P> <P> </P> <P>giot </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Of course you wouldn't.  But if you don't have those available, it's nothing to scoff at.  Not to mention that just because it doesn't affect those skills doesn't mean it doesn't help to have in addition to them.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Aye, useful to a raid if for some reason all the prime choices for MT accessories are not available, and good for the caster group as it makes our self deaggros more effective. After reading the mild dps enhancement from aftershock, I'm probably going to respec to the removals line as it will assist raids more overall.

[Hellswrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheStateFish wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HellsWrath99 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gnomie wrote:<BR> <P>Vacuous only affects temporary skills. Not Troubador deaggro, not coercer Harmonious link, not illusionist synergism. Only taunts, detaunts by 15%.  Kinda sucks and not sure if i would pick it over other choices that are far more useful.</P> <P> </P> <P>giot </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Of course you wouldn't.  But if you don't have those available, it's nothing to scoff at.  Not to mention that just because it doesn't affect those skills doesn't mean it doesn't help to have in addition to them.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Aye, useful to a raid if for some reason all the prime choices for MT accessories are not available, and good for the caster group as it makes our self deaggros more effective. After reading the mild dps enhancement from aftershock, I'm probably going to respec to the removals line as it will assist raids more overall.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That was my thought as well.  I figured hastenings as well since we do enough encounter damage as is and we could use the single target boost without gaining any further aggro problems from increased encounter damage.  But we should get back to the original topic, since we managed to drift onto a tangent.  :smileywink:

[RowenaRedarm]

<P>DEVS: PLEASE BALANCE OUR CLASS TO WIZZIES AND STOP GIVING THEM EVERYTHING FROM GOD TO GEAR--WARLOCKS ARE TIRED OF BEING EITHER AN AFTERTHOUGHT OR SIMPLY IGNORED. </P> <P>Arrowfey, Lvl 70 Warlock, Butcherblock</P>

[Inebriation]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>RowenaRedarm wrote:<div></div> <p>DEVS: PLEASE BALANCE OUR CLASS TO WIZZIES AND STOP GIVING THEM EVERYTHING FROM GOD TO GEAR--WARLOCKS ARE TIRED OF BEING EITHER AN AFTERTHOUGHT OR SIMPLY IGNORED. </p> <p>Arrowfey, Lvl 70 Warlock, Butcherblock</p><hr></blockquote>Dude, I pwn wizards' dps. If they made our gear any better it would just be humiliating and unfair, but whatever.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Inebriation on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:49 AM</span>

[Ruut Li]

<DIV>Post ur wizards parse pls :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[TheStateFish]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Inebriation wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RowenaRedarm wrote:<BR> <P>DEVS: PLEASE BALANCE OUR CLASS TO WIZZIES AND STOP GIVING THEM EVERYTHING FROM GOD TO GEAR--WARLOCKS ARE TIRED OF BEING EITHER AN AFTERTHOUGHT OR SIMPLY IGNORED. </P> <P>Arrowfey, Lvl 70 Warlock, Butcherblock</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Dude, I pwn wizards' dps. If they made our gear any better it would just be humiliating and unfair, but whatever.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Inebriation on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:49 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I out parse all the wizards I meet also on average. But I'd call it situational as there are more groups of trash than named in a raid zone.

[Melseb]

I outparsed the wizard in my guild for the first time on a single mob. Also was my highest single target parse ever 2006 dps!!However, i used Focused Casting and he did not use manaburn but it still felt good. I definately got some props from the guild =)Daenarys70 WarlockMob SquadKithicor<div></div>