3% Hate Transfer is Negligible

[Mordicus]

Im sad to see that all the Sorcerers are getting for hate transfer is 3%, i think a large majority of the player base would agree, they steal aggro more than any other caster, and do in fact need hate reduction. However, 3% as seen and tested in Beta groups is not enough. I do believe this would be more useful in a raid with other deaggros and <b>stackability</b> with warlock and wizzard having the transfer on the MT. Even then it is not enough, what i am asking for is something closer to <b>15%</b>.I know i have seen this in a previous thread but could not find it in the first few pages, thus the new thread. Its going to take a lot of people to get this changed so please state your plea.

[Korpo]

Welcome to a few months ago.<div></div>

[Keitho]

A) Its 4% in betaB) As is (with other aa's sucking) Any warlock that would ot pick up the deagro when going casting is stupidC) Proc you can add to item to deagro 1k+ nowD) Concussive is AOE DeagoE) Vulian Upgraded.Of course  !! I Havent tested  beta yet with warlock Still waiting for him to get copied .. woot for invites today<div></div>

[Aerendor_Shadowbri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR>A) Its 4% in beta<BR>B) As is (with other aa's sucking) Any warlock that would ot pick up the deagro when going casting is stupid<BR>C) Proc you can add to item to deagro 1k+ now<BR>D) Concussive is AOE Deago<BR>E) Vulian Upgraded.<BR><BR><BR>Of course  !! I Havent tested  beta yet with warlock Still waiting for him to get copied .. woot for invites today<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It's 4% on the Master I version i own actually (on live Master I is 3%, Adepts are 2% if i remember well) ...</P> <P>But the spell are tuned this week end.</P>

[matinisback]

<DIV>nerf bunnys ~</DIV>

[TheBu]

<DIV>whoot 1 more % thats a 50% improvement on the adept3</DIV>

[Deathspell]

Can you imagine how awesome it would  be if we had our own version of Amends?I love playing Warlock, but I can't deny that there's always the feeling in the back of my head "god i'm gonna get aggro again, gonna [Removed for Content] off the tank, gonna endanger the group..."All I'm saying is I have a noticeable difference in experience, I have more FUN in playing when Amends is on me...Tbh, maybe the 2%-3% is enough on their papers, but I don't get a noticeable feeling about it and I think it is that what counts in gameplay.<div></div>

[Groma]

Does anyone else have a consistent problem with your Boon buff dropping off the tank when you raid?  Raiding is the only time i use the buff but im having to rebuff it almost every encounter.  Is this thing on a timer, or max number of triggers? Cant seem to figure it out. <div></div>

[EpokSilvermo]

<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:Does anyone else have a consistent problem with your Boon buff dropping off the tank when you raid?  Raiding is the only time i use the buff but im having to rebuff it almost every encounter.  Is this thing on a timer, or max number of triggers? Cant seem to figure it out. <div></div><hr></blockquote>That is due to your friendly Sorcerer neighbour cancelling your buff by casting his own Boon, or the Wizard version of it, on the same tank as you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Groma]

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], now i have to start asigning tanks, or just buffing my sorcerer counterparts with it so they die then i dont have to worry about it. <div></div>

[Aerendor_Shadowbri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> butchrulez wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Does anyone else have a consistent problem with your Boon buff dropping off the tank when you raid?  Raiding is the only time i use the buff but im having to rebuff it almost every encounter.  Is this thing on a timer, or max number of triggers? Cant seem to figure it out.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That is due to your friendly Sorcerer neighbour cancelling your buff by casting his own Boon, or the Wizard version of it, on the same tank as you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Warlock and Wizard versions both stack, but only one warlock can cast it on the tank, the second would overwrite the first.

[Ugho]

<P>Rember back when we had ZERO% hate transfer <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>3% is better than nothing, and 4% is better than 3%.</P> <P>I raid ALL of the time with my Warlock and am always in the top 5 for DPS.  Sometimes number 1 based on the number of mobs and if we can AOE like mad.  I rarely pull aggro knowing how to play my class.</P>

[hoosierdaddy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Yslaine wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> butchrulez wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Does anyone else have a consistent problem with your Boon buff dropping off the tank when you raid?  Raiding is the only time i use the buff but im having to rebuff it almost every encounter.  Is this thing on a timer, or max number of triggers? Cant seem to figure it out.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That is due to your friendly Sorcerer neighbour cancelling your buff by casting his own Boon, or the Wizard version of it, on the same tank as you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Warlock and Wizard versions both stack, but only one warlock can cast it on the tank, the second would overwrite the first.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You are incorrect. The wizard version cancels the warlock's and vice versa. As soon as the spell was changed to an aggro transfer, our guild wizard and I (warlock) noticed that our aggro transfers were disappearing from our maintained windows. So, we did a couple of further experiments and established that his wipes mine and mine wipes his--at any level and any spell quality.</P> <P>In short, Sorceror aggro transfers do no not stack on the same target.</P> <P>This experiment is easy enough to reproduce on your own.</P> <P>-kai</P>

[Aerendor_Shadowbri]

<P>My mistake then, i took for a fact what i read a long time ago in this post ... which for some reason i thought it came from an official statement :</P> <P>"think someone replied in the wizzie thread about this and said ...wizzie and warlock one stack but a warlock and warlock does not...same for wizzie " (from <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=29116" target=_blank><SPAN>iceriven2</SPAN><FONT color=#e3d034> </FONT></A> in this post <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20500" target=_blank>LU27 Warlock hate transfer </A>)<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hoosierdaddy wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Yslaine wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> butchrulez wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Does anyone else have a consistent problem with your Boon buff dropping off the tank when you raid?  Raiding is the only time i use the buff but im having to rebuff it almost every encounter.  Is this thing on a timer, or max number of triggers? Cant seem to figure it out.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That is due to your friendly Sorcerer neighbour cancelling your buff by casting his own Boon, or the Wizard version of it, on the same tank as you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Warlock and Wizard versions both stack, but only one warlock can cast it on the tank, the second would overwrite the first.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You are incorrect. The wizard version cancels the warlock's and vice versa. As soon as the spell was changed to an aggro transfer, our guild wizard and I (warlock) noticed that our aggro transfers were disappearing from our maintained windows. So, we did a couple of further experiments and established that his wipes mine and mine wipes his--at any level and any spell quality.</P> <P>In short, Sorceror aggro transfers do no not stack on the same target.</P> <P>This experiment is easy enough to reproduce on your own.</P> <P>-kai</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Deathspell]

<div>Nah, they don't stack, I'm the only Warlock in the raid so it has to be the wizards cancelling out mine.The only thing you can do is to make an arrangement with the wizards or to cast it on another fighter, even if it's not the MT.It may not be the correct thing, coz the MT should have all the hate, but another fighter won't pull off aggro if you transfer it 2-3% hate.<blockquote><hr>Yslaine wrote:<div></div> <p>My mistake then, i took for a fact what i read a long time ago in this post ... which for some reason i thought it came from an official statement :</p> <p>"think someone replied in the wizzie thread about this and said ...wizzie and warlock one stack but a warlock and warlock does not...same for wizzie " (from <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=29116" target="_blank"><span>iceriven2</span><font color="#e3d034"> </font></a> in this post <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20500" target="_blank">LU27 Warlock hate transfer </a>)</p> <blockquote> <hr></blockquote></blockquote></div>

[Phineus]

<DIV> I have a good raid setup. We have an illus for the scout. We have dirge for the tank. We have troub for the casters. I have amends on me from a pally. I have 3% deaggro and cast every deaggro when its up. I still pull solo mob aggro off of a guardian with master taunts(and master proc taunt) that is and has been a higher level than me. I should be able to cast myself blue in the face with this setup. Specially since the scout is outdamaging me at least 30% even on groups. No logic in this at all. </DIV> <DIV> I pulled two solo mobs off him last raid we went on and Im not chain casting attacks. I pause and let him generate some hate. Then start debuffing. I work my way up from smallest attacks to the biggest. I am casting deaggros the entire time on every time up. I dont use rift because Im not familiar with the zones and dont want additional aggro. It makes me sad that in a raid built for a caster im still not safe from aggro. </DIV>

[Deathspell]

<div><blockquote><hr>MarquisDesade wrote:<div>I have amends on me from a pally. I have 3% deaggro and cast every deaggro when its up. I still pull solo mob aggro off of a guardian with master taunts(and master proc taunt) that is and has been a higher level than me. </div><hr></blockquote>Since you have amends from a Paladin, you should not be using the deaggro buff on the Paladin. Two players can't put a deaggro-buff on eachother (well they can, but the effect is gone.)And still, if your tank is fabled out and you have amends on you, then it's very hard to get aggro right away. Either your tank can't play (wearing fabled does NOT equal skill) or you didn't have amends on you at all.</div>

[Tirga]

<DIV>Have fun with it and stick this spell on your groups wizard. <grins></DIV>

[Phineus]

<P> Had the hate transfer on a guardian and the pally had amends on me. Im a problem child within the raid cause all my spells are upgraded. I basically have a healer assigned to me. The problem is Im trying to be good. Im not banging anything big outta the box. I wait for 10 seconds for the guard to build hate. Then debuff a bit then work from smallest to largest while using detaunts. I respecced my aa and now have another detaunt for 1k so we will see how it works. </P> <P> What makes me sad is that I pull so much aggro and our scout can do twice the damage I can and still not pull. Scouts get way higher mit and higher damage. I cant remember why I wanted to play a caster. Im debating leveling my swash and parking the warlock. </P>