Dear SOE

[Keitho]

Please dont just hook up wizards and forget about the warlock class. We have had the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for everyone for the last 2 expansions. If you want to get rid of the class, just openly tell us. And just change us to wizards. Its [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up to sit and wait for something good to come along but you guys just [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it up every live update and from the last 2 expansions. I doubt  you guys havent even put any hard work into thinking about the warlocks. Wizards get evac..  Necro's get rez  .. Conj's get  CoH  ..WE got fing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]..I wonder what you guys will hook those 3 classes up with come expansion and leave us out with god [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] aa's  that make us even worse dps. So to the point tell us, nm DO something good to our class, or tell us you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up with making the class and just delete  that class from this game I like to call EQ2 Live Beta.../end rant<div></div>

[Inebriation]

Lol. Hey lemme log on my level 2 warlock on Kith and say hi! <div></div>

[Keitho]

DO IT<div></div>

[Meattray]

<div></div><div></div> <div>Seriously the warlock class needs some work, there as not been a dev post in the warlock forums from my memory of playing a warlock.</div> <div> </div> <div>We really need a boost to our single target DPS, and to reduce the agro it generates.</div> <div>Do NOT try and give us options to fix ourselves from AA options, just fix the class with out any AA's in mind. (passive agro reduction ect, by using a AA to reduce agro we miss out on 1 to boost our dps)</div> <div> </div> <div>My warlock is posting good dps, but compared to other classes it quite low.</div> <div>I can get zone wide passes of 1-1.1K single target DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div>If i try to AE i just die all over the place with a troubs argo reduction.</div> <div>A guild should not have to build the raid around the warlock so he dosnt get much agro.</div> <div> </div> <div>Some type of comment? or just give us option to become Wizards keep out spells at our current levels.</div> <div> </div> <div>Nukette, Najena</div><p>Message Edited by Meattray on <span class="date_text">10-18-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:53 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Meattray on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:26 AM</span>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Meattray wrote:<div></div> <div>Seriously the warlock class needs some work, there as not been a dev post in the warlock forums from my memory of playing a warlock.</div> <div> </div> <div>We really need a boost to our single target DPS, and to reduce the agro it generates.</div> <div>Do try and give us options to fix ourselves from AA options, just fix the class with out any AA's in mind. (passive agro reduction ect, by using a AA to reduce agro we miss out on 1 to boost our dps)</div> <div> </div> <div>My warlock is posting good dps, but compared to other classes it quite low.</div> <div>I can get zone wide passes of 1-1.1K single target DPS.</div> <div> </div> <div>If i try to AE i just die all over the place with a troubs argo reduction.</div> <div>A guild should not have to build the raid around the warlock so he dosnt get much agro.</div> <div> </div> <div>Some type of comment? or just give us option to become Wizards keep out spells at our current levels.</div> <div> </div> <div>Nukette, Najena</div><p>Message Edited by Meattray on <span class="date_text">10-18-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:53 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>a free option for wizard sounds cool  and keeping masters  would bevery nice .. admit  SOE you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed the warlock class up  and im 100% sure its gunna happen next expansion to ...Live up to your mistakes  or  fix em</div>

[Tevilspek]

<div><blockquote><hr>Keithoth wrote:I doubt  you guys havent even put any hard work into thinking about the warlocks. Wizards get evac..  Necro's get rez  .. Conj's get  CoH  ..WE got fing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]..<hr></blockquote>A mate and I leveling up his Wizard and my Warlock a couple of weeks back.We hit 24 and he was jumping around all excited about getting Portal.Having been months and months since I played my AB server Warlock, I had to go to eq2ref and look up our spell line.Sure enough, lvl 24 we both got a stifle/interupt, both got a DoT, and he got Portal and I got DARK SIPHONING...That comparison right there shows exactly how much SoE completely missed the ball regarding Warlocks.Yes, Dark Siphoning is supposed to be our class defining, very unique spell. We don't need no CoH or Portal, keep your Res, we get yet another worthless and completely uneconomical power transfer.Hell, if DS didn't cost any power and then gave back double what it does now, it'd be starting to look like a nice spell. But even then, a nice spell, not a major class definer.As posted above, has a Dev ever actually come onto our forum? How do we get our annoyance heard?Just start creating threads over and over in one of the main forums until they finally tells us something to shut us up?Who knows, now that MG is going maybe we'll get a response beyond "Yeah you guys rock, we're looking into it, ETA expected 2008, you guys rock, keep paying those subs."Then again, maybe not.</div>

[Deathspell]

Sometimes I think they overdid some other classes rather then leaving Warlocks in the cold, especially with the Ranger class.Not posting here to start a flamewar, but I honestly don't see why a scout class has so much dps.Some of my best friends player rangers and I don't even care too much if they out-dps me, we're still friends, hehe, but I hope someone can explain the logic behind it why a scout class has so much dps.Or maybe I have a complete misunderstanding of what the word "scout" and "scouting" means.<div></div>

[Ruut Li]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> Wizards get evac..  Necro's get rez  .. Conj's get  CoH  ..WE got fing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]..<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> We get aggro.

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ruut Li wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Keithoth wrote: Wizards get evac..  Necro's get rez  .. Conj's get  CoH  ..WE got fing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> We get aggro.<hr></blockquote>truthfully...i dont worry about agro too much unless  of course  big group like lyceum and i wany top dps without a paladin...give me a troub and coec with al illusionest and im doing great....Weird thats 3 people that take hate away while a single scout  needs  jus himself .............hate transfer ...........ooo lets cast a .5 sec  casting spell   there goes what 2kk hate  4 k hate 5k hate  ....and still top dps..Please SOE FIX our Class</div>

[Ruut Li]

Hey all ur threads are being deleted. And I made such a nice and constructive reply in one of them, such a waste..just like the warlock class :smileyvery-happy:

[TheBu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ruut Li wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> Wizards get evac..  Necro's get rez  .. Conj's get  CoH  ..WE got fing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]..<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> We get aggro.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You get power... </P> <P> </P>

[Keitho]

power Ha!<div></div>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ruut Li wrote:<div></div>Hey all ur threads are being deleted. And I made such a nice and constructive reply in one of them, such a waste..just like the warlock class :smileyvery-happy:<hr></blockquote>Ya I dont think they liked me saying the s word in  one of the pages ...and then  ..the idea of a Beta Person posting info that would discredit SOE  ...would be really really bad so they took that one away</div>

[Niun01]

<img src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/niun/violin.jpg"><div></div>

[EQDwarfMaster]

<blockquote><hr>Niun01 wrote:<img src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k302/niun/violin.jpg"><div></div><hr></blockquote>I guess you won't be happy until you're the only warlock left, except for the botters. There are two reasons why participcation on the warlock class forum is almost non-existent; first, the class just doesn't work well so fewer and fewer people are either starting or actively playing a warlock, second, posters have to put up with people like you who are completely unsympathic to the real issues with the class.Please don't me the class just needs better aggro control because it's not going to happen. The game isn't designed to support a class doing massive AE damage and SOE isn't going to redesign aggro management for one class.

[Keitho]

Get aggro control .... YOu got a troub, a coec, and illusionest all taking agro from you ..ya  raid isnt suposed to be just set up around a warlock  BUT I can get those ... AND  pump out all I got  and still top 3 or 4 dps ...I rarely get agro in zones...and thats me throwing 100% wh ti can at singletarget 0% chance of getting agro. Then aoes ..that i can go 100% cause i know the other classes of the raid are playing to the best. AKA  the tank  taunting perfect and the asassing dumping hate to him is blasting away.. I run through zones and run out of power ..... damage for us needs to be increased.. but when our class i getting freaked over for spells ..it doesnt help..  we get debuffs i love them  but only 1 of the 3 is really usefull... other 1 is farmin nil crystal   and  other 1  for corrupt gift to proc ... our buffs  ..Umm lets see expansion  NO CAP on INT.. yet we get a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Buff that increases  spell casting  ablity.. that  still seams to  have 0 purpose in the game.<div></div>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR>... damage for us needs to be increased.. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>See this thread.</P> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20988" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20988</A></P> <P> </P> <P>In case you don't get the point, perhaps you don't understand how to properly play a Warlock.</P><p>Message Edited by Windowlicker on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:07 PM</span>

[Keitho]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Windowlicker wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Keithoth wrote:... damage for us needs to be increased.. <hr> </blockquote> <p>See this thread.</p> <p><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20988" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20988</a></p> <p>In case you don't get the point, perhaps you don't understand how to properly play a Warlock.</p><p>Message Edited by Windowlicker on <span class="date_text">10-19-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:07 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Allies: (<font color="#ff0033">00:25)</font> 319449 | 12777.96 [Giot-Rift Slam-6058]Giot 99320 | 3972.80Elfitch 41856 | 1674.24Aeros 32501 | 1300.04 This is that one encounter before Vilcidae with all the heroics.I have broke 6k dps in PP:RAllies: <font color="#ff0000">(00:42)</font> 1058154 | 25194.14[Legacystar-Fusion-12014]Daenarys 214313 | (5102.69) <font color="#ff0000">Ive EASILY hit 6k on this encounter :/</font>Legacystar 176093 (4192.69) Allies: <font color="#ff3300">(00:07) </font>64734 | 9247.71 [Zahne-Rift Slam-5982]  <font color="#ff3300">This looks like a Goup DPS parse</font>Zahne 37332 | 5333.14Fyrre 15546 | 2220.86<font color="#6633ff"> "quote from xede ex disso member on that forum you had me go to </font><font color="#6633ff"></font><p><font color="#6633ff">unfortunately the log is on an old HD which is basically useless now</font></p> <p><font color="#6633ff"> </font></p> <p><font color="#6633ff">but i did have a 6k parse in lyceum once</font></p> <p><font color="#6633ff"> </font></p> <p><font color="#6633ff">EDIT: and i was still beat by a conjuror who had close to 8k -_-"</font></p><p><font color="#6633ff"></font></p><p><font color="#663333">From mastire of that forum </font><font color="#663333"></font></p><p><font color="#663333">I like how our good dps parces are all under 45 sec fights =D</font></p>Whats the Connection between  all these fights ...warlock son top   BUT the fight was shorter then 1 minute..   We are hella good fast burners..gotta love it ...I truthuflly love our class.  but there needs to be something .. Parsing  high  on 3 battles in Lyceum   Great ..but the other battles  yay</div><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class="date_text">10-19-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:15 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:17 PM</span>

[Windowlicker]

<DIV>Well, I always end up on the top of parses at all the raids I attend.  Your not doing something.</DIV>

[Shaihsar]

<DIV>"If you want to get rid of the class, just openly tell us. And just change us to wizards"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Speak for yourself. id rather be a warlock over a wizard any day of the week.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>" but you guys just [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it up every live update and from the last 2 expansions"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yea im sure they are really going to want to help us now. be constructive or they prolly wont even give u a second thought.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"I doubt  you guys havent even put any hard work into thinking about the warlocks."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>yea you tell em lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Necro's get rez"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>do you really want to res anyway? besides necro res sucks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>not really gonna respond to the other paragraph as it is just to dramatic. ALTHOUGH i agree w/ a lot of what you say, you gotta be constructive or they wont give us a second thought=/  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Windowlicker wrote:<div>Well, I always end up on the top of parses at all the raids I attend.  Your not doing something.</div><hr></blockquote>and a giuld leader that can set everything for him .....or either you raid  isnt doing there job 100%</div>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Shaihsar wrote:<div>"If you want to get rid of the class, just openly tell us. And just change us to wizards"</div> <div> </div> <div>Speak for yourself. id rather be a warlock over a wizard any day of the week.</div> <div> </div> <div>" but you guys just [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it up every live update and from the last 2 expansions"</div> <div> </div> <div>yea im sure they are really going to want to help us now. be constructive or they prolly wont even give u a second thought.</div> <div> </div> <div>"I doubt  you guys havent even put any hard work into thinking about the warlocks."</div> <div> </div> <div>yea you tell em lol.</div> <div> </div> <div>"Necro's get rez"</div> <div> </div> <div>do you really want to res anyway? besides necro res sucks.</div> <div> </div> <div>not really gonna respond to the other paragraph as it is just to dramatic. ALTHOUGH i agree w/ a lot of what you say, you gotta be constructive or they wont give us a second thought=/  </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>I would edf  rather be a warlock ..thats why i chose a warlock day 1 of the game ..poison and disease  ftw ....but  we get nerfed after nerfed... and I know we have tried to nicely say ..pleaes hrelp us out soe ..but that hasnt worked.     ice comet  got no nerf but devstation did whats the reasoning behind thati would rather have something better then rez or even evac...  But we dont have that ...  we have nothing the lease  except what we get is the siphoning line ( which is ok but not class defining)</div>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQDwarfMaster wrote:I guess you won't be happy until you're the only warlock left, except for the botters. There are two reasons why participcation on the warlock class forum is almost non-existent; first, the class just doesn't work well so fewer and fewer people are either starting or actively playing a warlock, second, posters have to put up with people like you who are completely unsympathic to the real issues with the class.Please don't me the class just needs better aggro control because it's not going to happen. The game isn't designed to support a class doing massive AE damage and SOE isn't going to redesign aggro management for one class.<hr></blockquote>The reason the warlock forums are so inactive is because it's flooded with warlocks that don't know how to play their class, and want everyone to agree with them that hard class = broken class. The pity party gets old real quick, especially when warlocks that do know what they're doing try to help those that don't, and get shouted down by those that want to be all emo and feel sorry for themselves.</div>

[EQDwarfMaster]

<blockquote><hr>Windowlicker wrote:<DIV>Well, I always end up on the top of parses at all the raids I attend.  Your not doing something.</DIV><hr></blockquote>No offense, but from browsing you guild web site, you're raiding T6 zones - that's not the most relevant measure of raid DPS.<p>Message Edited by EQDwarfMaster on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:23 PM</span>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQDwarfMaster wrote:<blockquote><hr>Windowlicker wrote:<div>Well, I always end up on the top of parses at all the raids I attend.  Your not doing something.</div><hr></blockquote>No offense, but from browsing you guild web site, you're raiding T6 zones - that's not the most relevant measure of raid DPS.<p>Message Edited by EQDwarfMaster on <span class="date_text">10-19-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:23 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>LoL  Maybe I should check in about everyone now ...       WE are talking about T7  DPS and the Upcoming EoF ..</div>

[Ruut Li]

<P>lol @ those who say that complainers dont know how to play. I'm in a T7 casual raiding guild and I'm one of the best dps:ers in THAT environment if raid set-up is perfect. I have the common sense though to realise that if I switched to a guild where everyone was doing what they are supposed to do to the fullest then my dps would be pretty mediocre. Yes Except for a couple of fights in a few zones..yay..impressive...not.</P> <P>Please don't be a forum snob and say that I dunno anything just because I have a newb tag here. That doesn't mean I haven't played my warlock for 2 years and dont know my class.:smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQDwarfMaster wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Windowlicker wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well, I always end up on the top of parses at all the raids I attend.  Your not doing something.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>No offense, but from browsing you guild web site, you're raiding T6 zones - that's not the most relevant measure of raid DPS. <P>Message Edited by EQDwarfMaster on <SPAN class=date_text>10-19-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:23 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>None taken, keep in mind I regularly raid with other guilds as well.  Also, we do raid T7 content.  T6 raid content is mainly for our alts and newer members of our guild.</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: One thing thats far worse then the state of any class in the game, is generally young children that flood the boards with whine that really has no base.</P> <P>Case in point: </P> <P>"ice comet  got no nerf but devstation did whats the reasoning behind that"</P> <P> </P> <P>Instead of posting some huge poorly written whinethread (And then repeating it a dozen times in the same forum).  Perhaps he could have actually looked into some of the items he's crying about.  That one specifically wasn't a nerf directly on Warlocks, it was a global nerf on stuns.  Also, if my memory serves we received a boost via a reduction in casting time or recharge on another spell during that same patch.</P> <P>A good way to hurt any cause is by flooding boards with whine.  Especially when there's an "Issues and Concerns" thread stickied.</P> <P>You can yell at the developers all you want, but know the team working on this game addresses our concerns far more then any other MMO I've tried.  </P> <P>Understand that these people are working with a limited budget, and do actually go home once in a while.  They're poised to launch a brand new expansion that's going to revamp the gameworld in some very big ways.  People need to be a little more patient and understanding.</P> <P>Freaking out and posting angry whinefest threads don't help anyone.  And they sure don't help Warlocks.<BR><BR></P><p>Message Edited by Windowlicker on <span class=date_text>10-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:01 AM</span>

[EQDwarfMaster]

<blockquote><hr>Ruut Li wrote:<P>lol @ those who say that complainers dont know how to play. I'm in a T7 casual raiding guild and I'm one of the best dps:ers in THAT environment if raid set-up is perfect. I have the common sense though to realise that if I switched to a guild where everyone was doing what they are supposed to do to the fullest then my dps would be pretty mediocre. Yes Except for a couple of fights in a few zones..yay..impressive...not.</P><P>Please don't be a forum snob and say that I dunno anything just because I have a newb tag here. That doesn't mean I haven't played my warlock for 2 years and dont know my class.:smileyvery-happy:</P><hr></blockquote>That's great for you, but as you've stated the better your guild becomes at raiding the worse you're dps will become relative to the real T1 DPS classes.

[Ruut Li]

hmm yes dwarfmaster..thats my point. Im not t1 dps when all t1 dps:ers know how to do t1 dps. Im not proud of myself for being 1,2 or 3 in my guild...

[Niun01]

I am glad you can make all these assumptions from one picture...  Let me discuss your points here.I guess you won't be happy until you're the only warlock left <font color="#0033cc">(Yes, this is true, but a moot point)</font> , except for the botters <font color="#0033cc">(Please see Soulbringers post here http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=21204 )</font>. There are two reasons why participcation on the warlock class forum is almost non-existent; first, the class just doesn't work well so fewer and fewer people are either starting or actively playing a warlock, second, posters have to put up with people like you who are completely unsympathic to the real issues with the class. <font color="#0033cc">(Sympathy is not a good thing first off... I am empathetic to the needs of the Warlocks, as I have played and know my class for two years and understand our pros and cons and have endured all the changes since LU13.. People like me are the ones that are happy with our class even if there are changes that are needed, not whiners that run the Devs away from our board. Just because they don't post here, does not mean they are not here reading our feedback.)</font><font color="#0033cc">Xede created a great thread that was stickied to the top of our forums.. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=24&message.id=20252 which keeps all the problems consolidated into one ongoing novel for the devs to read.)</font><font color="#0033cc"></font>Please don't me the class just needs better aggro control because it's not going to happen. The game isn't designed to support a class doing massive AE damage and SOE isn't going to redesign aggro management for one class. <font color="#0033cc">( The sky is not falling, this is not an easy class to play.. once you grasp this, you will be all that much better realizing that yes we have problems, no it is not breaking the game...  Learn you class front to back and what you can and can't do and when you can and can't.. and again.. if you can't do this, then betray and become a wizard)</font>Now on to the rest of the post..As I have stated in many posts... Do not come here trying to compare us to other classes. We are Warlocks!  We have a very easy betrayal system now that will allow anyone that is unhappy to go be a wizard.If you have constructive criticism and ideas for changes then by all means post away... But yes, I get sick of the whining...  A constructive post is going to get read.. a non-constructive post is going to A) get deleted B) Bring the Trolls in C) Get ignored by the devs or D) all the above.I do not see one constructive post on these boards from you  EQDwarfMaster, and it must be that A) you either do not have a Warlock at all or B) you have not played a Warlock to end game and have no clue or of course C) your a troll.Go back to your class boards and stop trolling or post something constructive and sign your name and stop hiding behind /ANON..Soulbringer has brought up some good points in the past.. I was breaking his chops with the picture of the worlds smallest violin and still think it was pretty funny.  I respect what he has posted as he puts his name to the end of every post, which means he stands behind all that he says, good or bad.(yes its a pet peeve of mine about posting and not leaving a signature)<div></div>

[EQDwarfMaster]

First, I have a warlock since a month after the initial release of EQ2 so I have experience in all the different phases of the warlock class evolution. Second, I have 3 accounts and seldom use this one when accessing the forums.Third, the warlock class today is at it's lowest level of performance since LU7. No class exists in a vacuum so our performance relative to other classes is important especially in higher end raiding and grouping.Our solo ability is the worst of the mage classes and has been slowly nerfed into oblivion, the last nail in that coffin being the changes to roots and stuns. Our group play is marginal because of the aggro problems with AEs which creates problems most tanks would perfer to avoid (how many invites does your warlock get to nizara groups?). Our raid performance is also marginal because of aggro problems with AEs and the fact that other classes with better single target DPS and utility are comparable to warlocks in AE damage. In a competitive situation for raid slots a warlock is at a large disadvantage.From my perspective, the simplist way to fix the warlock class is to abandon the whole AE specialist experiment and move the warlock to a more balanced position between single target and AE spells.There have been lots of proposal on how to fix the AE aggro problems but nothing meaningful has been done by SOE. The last pathetic attempt was the 3% aggro transfer which hasn't made any measurable difference. The 'stay the course' philosophy just hasn't work. The way I see it, the apologists for the current state of the warlock class just make it easier for SOE to do nothing.

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ruut Li wrote:<div></div> <p>lol @ those who say that complainers dont know how to play. I'm in a T7 casual raiding guild and I'm one of the best dps:ers in THAT environment if raid set-up is perfect. I have the common sense though to realise that if I switched to a guild where everyone was doing what they are supposed to do to the fullest then my dps would be pretty mediocre. Yes Except for a couple of fights in a few zones..yay..impressive...not.</p> <p>Please don't be a forum snob and say that I dunno anything just because I have a newb tag here. That doesn't mean I haven't played my warlock for 2 years and dont know my class.:smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote>So you're one of the best in a crappy guild, and that means you'd be mediocre in a good guild, and that means the class is broken? Trust me, there's plenty of mediocre wizards, necros, conjys, assassins, rangers, swashys, brigs, and every other class. They can't all be broken.There are plenty of people playing warlocks in good guilds that kick out great DPS.The zone-wide parse of our full labs run last night went swashy, assassin, warlock, necro, brig, wizard.</div>

[Ruut Li]

<P>Maybe you need to spank the slackers :smileyhappy:. </P> <P>I dont think I said warlocks are broken. I'm saying we have some issues. Some issues can be fixed by fellow players, but why do that if theres say a swash or assassin available that dont need all that attention and babysitting in order to do decent dps?</P> <P>And all those high-end raiding warlocks? hmm sorry I dont see that many, compared to the number of high-end raiding swashies and assassins for example.</P>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ruut Li wrote:<BR> <P>Maybe you need to spank the slackers :smileyhappy:. </P> <P>I dont think I said warlocks are broken. I'm saying we have some issues. Some issues can be fixed by fellow players, but why do that if theres say a swash or assassin available that dont need all that attention and babysitting in order to do decent dps?</P> <P>And all those high-end raiding warlocks? hmm sorry I dont see that many, compared to the number of high-end raiding swashies and assassins for example.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with you, but I do think we are the most gimped T1 DPS Class. For the most part doing less DPS, and having less utility. But that just means we are able to upgrade all of our spells easyer <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[EQDwarfMaster]

<blockquote><hr>korpo53 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ruut Li wrote:<div></div><p>lol @ those who say that complainers dont know how to play. I'm in a T7 casual raiding guild and I'm one of the best dps:ers in THAT environment if raid set-up is perfect. I have the common sense though to realise that if I switched to a guild where everyone was doing what they are supposed to do to the fullest then my dps would be pretty mediocre. Yes Except for a couple of fights in a few zones..yay..impressive...not.</p><p>Please don't be a forum snob and say that I dunno anything just because I have a newb tag here. That doesn't mean I haven't played my warlock for 2 years and dont know my class.:smileyvery-happy:</p><hr></blockquote>So you're one of the best in a crappy guild, and that means you'd be mediocre in a good guild, and that means the class is broken? Trust me, there's plenty of mediocre wizards, necros, conjys, assassins, rangers, swashys, brigs, and every other class. They can't all be broken.There are plenty of people playing warlocks in good guilds that kick out great DPS.The zone-wide parse of our full labs run last night went swashy, assassin, warlock, necro, brig, wizard.</div><hr></blockquote>The labs is the easiest and most AE friendly T7 raid zone, the others aren't nearly as friendly.

[Keitho]

I admit I should have brought this aobut better..but it was 6am .. and crap i heard /wikns    didnt sound good AT ALL....was beyond [Removed for Content] about hearing it ...I love the warlock class, let me clear that up for the 100th time. Im just tired since lie update whatever  we just get shafted.... and btw losing the stun on devstation we didnt gain anyhting ...  while ice comet  kept its stun...thats my warlock vs wizard small coment..  you cant really compare the two class's since  we both have diffrents styles of dps...Truth being we are supposed to be T1 DPS  thats why we Get agro easily ... wear cloth armor ..die from aoes...  we are weak  for a reason...When Assassins Conjurers are slackers in a raid  we will shine ...  of course  we get more hits in  which means more dps  overall..when no one is slacking in a raid  ..i feel like we are top 3 or 4 ...  AOE and even Single target(which we should be at all times on single target) ...overall  we need things  word ...like a read before this game isnt developed for aoe dps ...   Serkers are the closest thing that can keep agro ..besides  us having a paladin that wants to raid around without doing anything...   There would be no real  way to fix it ..  if you bump up serkers aoe taunts   ...he becomes better at single target.....making it better for single target classes that are top dps...WE need either passive deagro  BUT at the same time  we need our DPS Raised so we can sustain large amounts of aoe dps ...on the longer fights.Something needs to be done ..and SOE has a chance  this Expansion to do something with all the changes they are making...and Id like to see it be done this time around.<div></div>

[Keitho]

BTW Can a Dev from Betta  confirm  that theres atleast one decent warlock  in beta raiding ...I mean what would be the point if youre not  for us  warlodck raiders and BTW I will post all the named  fight and  the big trash  from  lyceum tonight then raid zone over all ...once we are done  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Keitho]

<div></div><div></div>OK here comes the DPS  I have to  take names out though sorryEdit [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  = Assassin   A S S   doesnt really workEdit 2:  Troubador Deagro   and had  I think   20 In RAid<font color="#ff3333">First fight in Zone</font>Allies: (01:13) 1408065 | 19,288.56Soulbringer 192189 | 2,632.73Swashy 160619 | 2,200.26Conjy 135637 | 1,858.04Brig  127842 | 1,751.26[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 114557 | 1,569.27Wizzy  111021 | 1,520.84Zerker108881 | 1,491.52Monk  83506 | 1,143.92Brig 82169 | 1,125.60First single target fightAllies: (01:15) 1277391 | 17,031.88Swashy  138078 | 1,841.04Brig116582 | 1,554.43Necro 112719 | 1,502.92[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 111286 | 1,483.81[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 103616 | 1,381.55Conj 100703 | 1,342.71Soulbringer 96449 | 1,285.99Brig  96283 | 1,283.77First Side Battle Nice aoe Assuming this battler had the necro Spell for mad dps heheUndead TideAllies: (01:02) 1564641 | 25,236.14Necro 257398 | 4,151.58Soulbringer 168825 | 2,722.98Swashy 125509 | 2,024.34Zerker 116023 | 1,871.34[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 115151 | 1,857.27Brig 114226 | 1,842.36Wizzy 107053 | 1,726.66[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 104265 | 1,681.69Essence of Fear (aoe fear)  kinda sucksAllies: (01:29) 1879418 | 21,117.06Swash  163602 | 1,838.23Conj    145360 | 1,633.26Brig 142700 | 1,603.37[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 139863 | 1,571.49[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 138410 | 1,555.17Wizard 132386 | 1,487.48Brig 129536 | 1,455.46Necro 124634 | 1,400.38Zerker 123332 | 1,385.75Soulbringer 110880 | 1,245.84Gnillaw the DementedAllies: (04:5<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 3244890 | 10,888.89a newly-converted droag 335424 | 1,125.58[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 327140 | 1,097.79Soulbringer 320714 | 1,076.22Zerker 285601 | 958.39Conj  284743 | 955.51[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 274482 | 921.08Brig 244824 | 821.56Wizzy  239320 | 803.09Necro 196370 | 658.96Big AOE in Middle Hall Allies: (00:31) 1008480 | 32,531.61Soulbringer 179154 | 5,779.16Conj 162834 | 5,252.71Wizy 95122 | 3,068.45Necro 93773 | 3,024.94Amnesiac 47397 | 1,528.94Swash 46088 | 1,486.71Defiler  42372 | 1,366.84Shadow 41945 | 1,353.07Zerker 39327 | 1,268.61Gnorbl the PLayful NIce only cause i got Rift off at begininfgAllies: (01:35) 1999435 | 21,046.68Swash194552 | 2,047.92Soulbringer 191120 | 2,011.79Conj179525 | 1,889.74BRig 156804 | 1,650.57[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 140320 | 1,477.05Necro 134662 | 1,417.50[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 133989 | 1,410.41Wizard 114027 | 1,200.28Villucadae Massive Magic Resist at end of fight 24-1%Allies: (04:32) 2733592 | 10,049.97BRig 286301 | 1,052.58Swash 272902 | 1,003.32[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 255402 | 938.98Wizard  239986 | 882.30NEcro 236512 | 869.53[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 228723 | 840.89Soulbringer  227499 | 836.39ZONE WIDE  Calculatin Do do do doAllies: (45:05) 44330323 | 16,383.36Soulbringer 4302822 | 1,590.21Conj  3892159 | 1,438.44Swash 3880717 | 1,434.21[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  3613653 | 1,335.51Wizard 3504777 | 1,295.28Brig 3473257 | 1,283.63Necro3406445 | 1,258.94[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] 3231786 | 1,194.39Zerker 2856613 | 1,055.73Brig 2655190 | 981.29NOw that is DEF nice.... But do realise  0 whipes ...I had 30% armor left ...... and  everoyne else that got agro  aka the Conj and Wizard had 80% armor...Def AOE Agro issues  ..which  cant really be fixed in game..<div></div><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class="date_text">10-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:22 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class=date_text>10-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:36 PM</span>

[Khazadd]

<DIV>Lol... i'd call that a successful outing...</DIV>

[Keitho]

Wouldnt call it much Lyceum is best place for our DPS ..<div></div>

[Windowlicker]

Well, I'm not sure it's the ideal time to start complaining about getting fixes made on the class.  By now, the expansion is where they want it to be and they're making changes that would weigh on its live release.A few gimped classes are likely very low priority when you factor in crashes, exploits and game breaking problems the beta testers are rooting out.Also consider the fact they're completely revamping the way Mit, Skill caps and stats work in general.  So there really is no solid way to know where we'll stand until the expansion both goes live, and the upper level bracket has a chance to cap out the new expanded AA's.It will go one of two ways, either we'll be VERY overpowered and in line for a nerf.  Or we'll be VERY underpowered and in line for a boost.  Either way you look at it there are changes in the pipes.No sense in fretting when we don't have a solid base to use for suggesting changes.<div></div>

[Cowdenic]

Pointing at LU13. We have been in line for a boost for a LONG LONG time.

[TheBu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> <BR>NOw that is DEF nice.... But do realise  0 whipes ...I had 30% armor left ...... and  everoyne else that got agro  aka the Conj and Wizard had 80% armor...<BR>Def AOE Agro issues  ..which  cant really be fixed in game..<BR> <P>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How often do u use ur group deagro and other deagro spells?</P> <P>tho i think if u have 30% armor ur doing good..</P> <P>What I think that bothers u guys is the fact the Swashy  is right behind u or in front when they seem to have an easier time. It the same thing for a wiz. wer not scouts. They have more mit, more avoidance, more health, more deagros. Also ther agro transfer is alot larger than ours and can be use on any class.</P> <P> </P>

[Melseb]

Warlock DPS is acceptable in my opinon. Its true that you have to be a very good warlock to parse like Soulbringer, but it is possible. It's one of the things that I like most about the class, that its very easy to tell the difference between a good warlock and an ok warlock. It is very easy to parse high with swashies, assassins, and wizards because they are basic, straightforward classes.What really bugs me is that the only way I can parse like Soulbringer is to have my hate transfer on MT, have a troubador in my group, AND have amends on me!(with this setup I consistently do 1900-2100 dps on 2-3 mob encounters in lyceum, and ~1400 single target dps)This is something I have been harping on for a while in these forums. We have the tools to be able to be T1 dps and parse high consistently, but the problem is that we DONT have the tools to deal with aggro. Even with my ideal group setup (see above), I will STILL pull aoe aggro from a very good MT which imho is F*cking rediculous.Daenarys70 WarlockMob Squad Kithicor<div></div>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>TheBuzZ wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Keithoth wrote: <div></div> <div></div>NOw that is DEF nice.... But do realise  0 whipes ...I had 30% armor left ...... and  everoyne else that got agro  aka the Conj and Wizard had 80% armor...Def AOE Agro issues  ..which  cant really be fixed in game.. <p>  </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>How often do u use ur group deagro and other deagro spells?</p> <p>tho i think if u have 30% armor ur doing good..</p> <p>What I think that bothers u guys is the fact the Swashy  is right behind u or in front when they seem to have an easier time. It the same thing for a wiz. wer not scouts. They have more mit, more avoidance, more health, more deagros. Also ther agro transfer is alot larger than ours and can be use on any class.</p> <hr></blockquote>Hate Transfer on MT ...  Troub ...Constant Casting Concussive ... and Vulian Line then Null Carress when possible ...Became giuld rule for me to not use that on mobs that can be teleported lol..i got agro ONLY on aoe mobs ..</div>

[Keitho]

FYI  ..Warlocks  Expasion is going to be great ...................The rain is going away and the sun will shine!!!<div></div>

[Raminicus]

<div>lol that's a bit of a change of tune ...<blockquote><hr>Keithoth wrote:FYI  ..Warlocks  Expasion is going to be great ...................The rain is going away and the sun will shine!!!<div></div><hr></blockquote></div>

[Keitho]

<div><blockquote><hr>Raminicus wrote:<div>lol that's a bit of a change of tune ...<blockquote><hr>Keithoth wrote:FYI  ..Warlocks  Expasion is going to be great ...................The rain is going away and the sun will shine!!!<div></div><hr></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>ROFL ROFL  ya ya ya  i hope NDA whatever gets lifted</div>

[Uumuuanu]

<DIV>I have to aggree on several things with the OP and others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off let me say that my warlock is only 44.  But he is master heavy much like the level 70's posting here.   I also play a 70 guardian who often groups with a master heavy level 70 warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aggro-</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plain and simple there is NOTHING I can do about aggro other then kill them before they kill me or hold back so much I am not useful.  Last night I was in Rivervale with a full group and NO ONE could take aggro from me if I wanted it, this includes a 59 wizard that was mentoring to 46 and a 55 necro mentoring to 46.   Since I knew my group, I never held back. My only hope was to stun and shoot before the mobs killed me.   It is this way in EVERY group in EVERY zone I have played him in since well, 20ish?   CT, with 2 tanks and 2 healers.  I had aggro 90% of the time using  only 2 attacks, not going all out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I play my  guardian I use several things on the level 70 warlock, including a 48% hate reducing master,  he still takes aggro away from me like candy from a baby, even with Master 1 and Master 2 level taunts.  Plain and simple the best aggro tanks in the game don't hold a candle to an all out warlock.  I NEVER have had this problem with the wizards I play with.  If there is only one of them in the group, I hold aggro with the proper taunts and hate reducers.   99% of the time I simply put intercept on him,  tell him to go all out and intercep the damage from him since I know I cannot hold aggro from him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Damage - </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well ok, my high hit is a whopping 1993, I guess not bad for my level.  But that was not because of my skills, it was because of someone elses debuff and a lucky crit.  My best single target master 1 says it will do up to 1776 damage right now,  I have NEVER seen it come even close and most of the time is not over 1000.   The crit I got was from a master 1 group spell, which consistenly lands better and higher damage then a single target spell.  What does that mean?   That means I have to use more power and risk more aggro to do the damage I need to do, even on a single target mob.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On group mobs,  I know that no matter what tank there is (the only one that ever held it was when I was 41 and he was a 49 guardian and even then I would get smacked several times before he got it back if my group damage landed.   As for my WEAK AE poison, well,  first yeah its weak, thus my choosing it as my master II in order to pick up its damage,   secondly, it generates more aggro then most of my group damage spells and I have to be right up in the mobs face to cast it.   Usually I am standing back at full range in order to use the aggro distance mechanic to keep from getting aggro, which often times puts me at or near to out of range from the healers if I do get aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Overall - </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My single target damage is NOT what I think is fair for the class when locking at the other DPS classes.</DIV> <DIV>My AE damage is pretty much useless at this level unless the mobs are single or double downs, hopefully it improves.</DIV> <DIV>My group damage is fine for this level, but it seems to be my best work, so if its a single target I end up using group attacks on it, thus wasting power and risking extra aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So far I like playing the class, but even at this level I totally understand the frustration other players are going through.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Uumuuanu wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have to aggree on several things with the OP and others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off let me say that my warlock is only 44.  But he is master heavy much like the level 70's posting here.   I also play a 70 guardian who often groups with a master heavy level 70 warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry you can't realy coment. You are still at the point where your sinlge target nukes are strong. Your AE potential isn't realy that high and grouping at level 70 isn't taht bad. I pull agro alot but that is due to not caring if I get hit a few times the mobs can't kill me before we kill them. Agro in groups is more of a tank issue then a warlock issue. A pally/SK/Zerker can hold agro over me. A monk/bruser/guard and I pull it if I want to. Agro is more of an issue on raids when the tank is getting ged agro but since its only single target it limits our porential damage since AEing becomes risky.</P> <P>If played right, you can still do top 5 raid DPS and not pull agro at all. Just takes a good tank and practice.</P> <P>Saying that I still think our single target nukes should be uped slighly<should have at least 1 5k Nuke> and AE agro should be more easaly managed but if not its not the end of the world. <BR></P>

[Uumuuanu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mastire wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Uumuuanu wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have to aggree on several things with the OP and others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off let me say that my warlock is only 44.  But he is master heavy much like the level 70's posting here.   I also play a 70 guardian who often groups with a master heavy level 70 warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry you can't realy coment. You are still at the point where your sinlge target nukes are strong. Your AE potential isn't realy that high and grouping at level 70 isn't taht bad. I pull agro alot but that is due to not caring if I get hit a few times the mobs can't kill me before we kill them. Agro in groups is more of a tank issue then a warlock issue. A pally/SK/Zerker can hold agro over me. A monk/bruser/guard and I pull it if I want to. Agro is more of an issue on raids when the tank is getting ged agro but since its only single target it limits our porential damage since AEing becomes risky.</P> <P>If played right, you can still do top 5 raid DPS and not pull agro at all. Just takes a good tank and practice.</P> <P>Saying that I still think our single target nukes should be uped slighly<should have at least 1 5k Nuke> and AE agro should be more easaly managed but if not its not the end of the world. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> When a tank with all master taunts isn't holding aggro against a warlock that is holding back, something is wrong.   When other warlocks are commenting they are having issues (at any level) then something is wrong.  When wizards see it,  tanks see it,  even parsers see it, there is something wrong.  No matter what the level.  The game is not all about level 70, its about tiers and if the problem exists at one tier, it most likely exists at other tiers as well.  </P> <P>I have been the MT on numerous raids and I can tell you I don't loose aggro to the wizards, the assassins or the rangers.  I consistently loose it to the warlocks.  I loose it in a group with one.   When I play a warlock, plain and simple NOTHING can hold aggro from me if I want it and thats with spells 30 levels below the people complaining, obviously a level 70 warlock is going to be able to do MUCH more damage and pull MUCH more hate.   I have NEVER seen a warlock be at the top of the DPS ladder and be alive during a RAID, whether I tanked it or not.</P> <P>If it is a class issue then so be it. If that is a play style that is wrong, then so be it.   But either way when so many people point out that there is something wrong,  it IS time for people to speak out and be heard.  If it isn't a problem with the warlock then it is a problem with other classes and needs to be resolved.</P> <P> </P>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Uumuuanu wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mastire wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Uumuuanu wrote:<BR> <DIV>I have to aggree on several things with the OP and others.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First off let me say that my warlock is only 44.  But he is master heavy much like the level 70's posting here.   I also play a 70 guardian who often groups with a master heavy level 70 warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry you can't realy coment. You are still at the point where your sinlge target nukes are strong. Your AE potential isn't realy that high and grouping at level 70 isn't taht bad. I pull agro alot but that is due to not caring if I get hit a few times the mobs can't kill me before we kill them. Agro in groups is more of a tank issue then a warlock issue. A pally/SK/Zerker can hold agro over me. A monk/bruser/guard and I pull it if I want to. Agro is more of an issue on raids when the tank is getting ged agro but since its only single target it limits our porential damage since AEing becomes risky.</P> <P>If played right, you can still do top 5 raid DPS and not pull agro at all. Just takes a good tank and practice.</P> <P>Saying that I still think our single target nukes should be uped slighly<should have at least 1 5k Nuke> and AE agro should be more easaly managed but if not its not the end of the world.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> When a tank with all master taunts isn't holding aggro against a warlock that is holding back, something is wrong.   When other warlocks are commenting they are having issues (at any level) then something is wrong.  When wizards see it,  tanks see it,  even parsers see it, there is something wrong.  No matter what the level.  The game is not all about level 70, its about tiers and if the problem exists at one tier, it most likely exists at other tiers as well. </P> <P>I have been the MT on numerous raids and I can tell you I don't loose aggro to the wizards, the assassins or the rangers.  I consistently loose it to the warlocks.  I loose it in a group with one.   When I play a warlock, plain and simple NOTHING can hold aggro from me if I want it and thats with spells 30 levels below the people complaining, obviously a level 70 warlock is going to be able to do MUCH more damage and pull MUCH more hate.   I have NEVER seen a warlock be at the top of the DPS ladder and be alive during a RAID, whether I tanked it or not.</P> <P>If it is a class issue then so be it. If that is a play style that is wrong, then so be it.   But either way when so many people point out that there is something wrong,  it IS time for people to speak out and be heard.  If it isn't a problem with the warlock then it is a problem with other classes and needs to be resolved.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I don't mean to insult you or anything, but I did play a warlock from level 20-70 I have soloed grouped and raided in all Teirs. The spell situation rather then unbreakable root is better, then it was. Agro issuse in groups occur when a warlock decides to start csating AE's to fast into an encounter. The key is to know when to cast them. In a group situation if the tank is cycling through the targets taunting them all, one is able to AE faster. If one AE's before each mob has a decent taunt on them then they pull agro. Most times only 1 AE spell can be csat or you will pull. With a Troub in the group or pally you can probably land 2 AE spells.</P> <P>For a raid, I have lead DPS parce. I can parce from 1.1 -1.7k on single target, and 1.1 - 3k multi encounter. I do win probably 10-25% of the parces. When grouped with a troub and hate being fed to the guard tank I don't pull agro. I cast Broodlings, Aura, then Crit Apoc. And then a regular cycle.</P> <P>When grouped with a guard, and were clearing a zone as fast as possible I pull agro. When going slow and safe I play safe an don't.</P> <P>I'm not totaly disagreeing with you agro is an issue but with more play time you can learn to control it.</P> <P>The class's main issues: 1) No utility 2) Nil Crystals 3) Single target DPS 4) Agro</P> <P>1 or 3 should get fixed. Either give us utility or make us similar to other DPS classes, I win parces due to better gear and being masted out. Every other warlock I group with is well behind in single target dps. It shouldn't be required to be masted out to compare with other classes who are mixed master/Adept 3's. Or give us the utility of the T2 classes<ie. Necro's FD/Rez Pets, Brigs AE Avoidence+Debuffs></P> <P>2) totaly usless and annoying as hell, spells that we have them for are not any better then the wizzard counter part.</P> <P>4) If not in the right group or having a less then capable tank, it can be a huge issue. Should have a 40% deagro or 20% hate transfer like the scout classes.</P>

[Keitho]

<div></div><div><blockquote><p>I don't mean to insult you or anything, but I did play a warlock from level 20-70 I have soloed grouped and raided in all Teirs. The spell situation rather then unbreakable root is better, then it was. Agro issuse in groups occur when a warlock decides to start csating AE's to fast into an encounter. The key is to know when to cast them. In a group situation if the tank is cycling through the targets taunting them all, one is able to AE faster. If one AE's before each mob has a decent taunt on them then they pull agro. Most times only 1 AE spell can be csat or you will pull. With a Troub in the group or pally you can probably land 2 AE spells.</p> <p>For a raid, I have lead DPS parce. I can parce from 1.1 -1.7k on single target, and 1.1 - 3k multi encounter. I do win probably 10-25% of the parces. When grouped with a troub and hate being fed to the guard tank I don't pull agro. I cast Broodlings, Aura, then Crit Apoc. And then a regular cycle.</p> <p>When grouped with a guard, and were clearing a zone as fast as possible I pull agro. When going slow and safe I play safe an don't.</p> <p>I'm not totaly disagreeing with you agro is an issue but with more play time you can learn to control it.</p> <p>The class's main issues:<font color="#ff0033"> <font color="#ff0000">1) No utilit</font></font><font color="#ff0000">y </font><font color="#ff3366">2) Nil Crystals</font> 3) Single target DPS 4) Agro</p> <p>1 or 3 should get fixed. Either give us utility or make us similar to other DPS classes, I win parces due to better gear and being masted out. Every other warlock I group with is well behind in single target dps. It shouldn't be required to be masted out to compare with other classes who are mixed master/Adept 3's. Or give us the utility of the T2 classes<ie. Necro's FD/Rez Pets, Brigs AE Avoidence+Debuffs></p> <p>2) totaly usless and annoying as hell, spells that we have them for are not any better then the wizzard counter part.</p> <p>4) If not in the right group or having a less then capable tank, it can be a huge issue. Should have a 40% deagro or 20% hate transfer like the scout classes.</p><hr></blockquote>NO utility is BS. WE have more Utility then a wizard. WE have 3 debuffs. (only 2 is good) ..  Group Regen ... 3 Diffrent procs we can cast on raid members.we are plently usefull.   but the nil crystal thing does SuC k   Make them more usefull. Allow them to  give spells .. more damage...or allow them to deagro more ...  enhance it ...  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />ROFL AOE AVOIDANCE ..I would love it BUT Very Doubtfull</div><p>Message Edited by Keithoth on <span class=date_text>10-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:23 AM</span>

[Windowlicker]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote: <HR> <DIV>NO utility is BS. WE have more Utility then a wizard. WE have 3 debuffs. (only 2 is good) ..  Group Regen ... 3 Diffrent procs we can cast on raid members.<BR>we are plently usefull.   but the nil crystal thing does SuC k   Make them more usefull. Allow them to  give spells .. more damage...or allow them to deagro more ...  enhance it ...  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR>ROFL AOE AVOIDANCE ..I would love it BUT Very Doubtfull<BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Keithoth on <SPAN class=date_text>10-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:23 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I can't say I agree with you on that.  Debuffs don't *really* count as utility.  You never hear "Hey, lets get that Warlock because he can cast some proc'ing spells on the tank".  On the other hand, you will hear "Grab that Wizard, he has Evac".</P> <P><BR>We are useful, but that usefulness is unfortunately limited to DPS. </P>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keithoth wrote:<BR> <DIV>NO utility is BS. WE have more Utility then a wizard. WE have 3 debuffs. (only 2 is good) ..  Group Regen ... 3 Diffrent procs we can cast on raid members.<BR>we are plently usefull.   but the nil crystal thing does SuC k   Make them more usefull. Allow them to  give spells .. more damage...or allow them to deagro more ...  enhance it ...  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR><BR>ROFL AOE AVOIDANCE ..I would love it BUT Very Doubtfull<BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Keithoth on <SPAN class=date_text>10-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:23 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Look at the accual damage of the Procs.</P> <P>A) Nhilistics, its nice but normalyu does about 1% of the tanks DPS wich is about .3% of my DPS, big boost there.</P> <P>B) Boon line, whoopie buff only helps MT and teh wizzard line is better since it gives the power right away then over time, only usefulll as a deagro</P> <P>C) Melee proc - We should never be in a melee group we ofer nothing but this one spell, it also does less the 1% DPS so its crap.</P> <P>Debuffs:</P> <P>85 STR/INT - Only nice debuff</P> <P>Othere one does about 1k Poision Debuff. Nice but it last only 30 secs, by the time we cast 3 spells the debuff is gone, Kinda useless.</P> <P>Group Regn Buff - Decent, helps the group out soem but basicaly its just enough mana to cast 1 more spell at Master I rank 36 seconds after its cast. And for most situations power is not an issue, would rather be able to power group feed out of group then it would be real usefull.</P> <P>Buffs, we add a small amount of power that doesn't stack with other casters, and have a improve casting skills rather then int/STR. While it was nice in T6 now everythign has + dirruption on it wich makes it useless. And with int Cap goign up it makes it worse in a grouping/soloing situation.</P> <P>Roots, With us doign more dots then other classes our roots should be about 25% chance to brake less then the other classes. They aren't so there worse for a warlock tehn any other caster.</P> <P>That is our utility. Its crap. So I ask for a boost to Utility and/or a Small boost to our nukes.<BR></P>

[EliteHero]

<P>:robotsurprised: <FONT face=Wingdings>z</FONT><FONT face=Century color=#00cc33 size=6>You are so right <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and I agree :smileyvery-happy:<FONT size=4>.....I fell like the Warlocks are not even a class i mean i play a warlock its fun but they need upgrades on everything.....Sometime's i fell like the necro warlock pets are much greater then us lol..Hopefully SOE reads your msg and has an update for our class <FONT face=Wingdings>vvw</FONT><FONT face=Century>Warlock -69-/Vox-pvp/Elitelock/</FONT><FONT face=Wingdings>vvw</FONT></FONT></FONT></P>