Spell damage: solo vs group with the same spell

[Temedor]

Ok, i just got confused about the AoE warlock spells. I was fighting with my lvl 15 warlock in the commonlands.  I was first fighting solo mobs, and with a low lvl subjugation I just cant use my root spell. So I killed them one by one, suffering high damages each time. Then, I started to fight group of 2, 3 and sometimes 4 mobs linked.... and WOW, I was a nuclear bomb, killing all of them in only a few seconds, without suffering any (or almost any) pain. <span>:smileysurprised:</span> Perplex, I went to this forum and discovered that it seems that a warlock do much more dps by fighting group of mobs instead of ennemy alone...  How?  I am using the same spells, the same way, in the same order, with the same tactic for every mob, no matter if they are grouped or alone.  Does the spell damage change from solo target to linked targets?  When I place my cursor over a spell icon, I see an amount of damage that the spell do.  Is it on solo or linked mob?  How does spell damage works concerning group and solo mob? Im just pretty confused here, some help please... <span><span>:smileysad:</span></span> <div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Temedor wrote:<BR>Ok, i just got confused about the AoE warlock spells.<BR><BR>I was fighting with my lvl 15 warlock in the commonlands.  I was first fighting solo mobs, and with a low lvl subjugation I just cant use my root spell. So I killed them one by one, suffering high damages each time.<BR><BR>Then, I started to fight group of 2, 3 and sometimes 4 mobs linked.... and WOW, I was a nuclear bomb, killing all of them in only a few seconds, without suffering any (or almost any) pain. <SPAN>:smileysurprised:</SPAN><BR><BR>Perplex, I went to this forum and discovered that it seems that a warlock do much more dps by fighting group of mobs instead of ennemy alone...  How?  I am using the same spells, the same way, in the same order, with the same tactic for every mob, no matter if they are grouped or alone.  Does the spell damage change from solo target to linked targets?  When I place my cursor over a spell icon, I see an amount of damage that the spell do.  Is it on solo or linked mob?  How does spell damage works concerning group and solo mob?<BR><BR>Im just pretty confused here, some help please... <SPAN><SPAN>:smileysad:</SPAN></SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>what your seeing is soe's way of balancing encounters.</P> <P>if you fought a single solo white con mob say for example's sake only it has 100 hitpoints at your level it would be a tough fight without the use of a root.</P> <P>but when you fight a group of 4 mobs all designated "solo" the hitpoints is usually spread out between all 4 so each one would only have 25 hitpoints.</P> <P>different encounter same approximate # of hitpoints.  </P> <P>the nice thing about multimob encounters is they tend to have more corpse loot because you get a greater chance at it because each mob can drop loot.  I'm not sure since I haven't killed linked solo mobs in ages but I'm pretty sure you get an xp bonus for killing 2 or more linked mobs over killing one solo mob.</P>

[Araxes]

<div></div>I don't mean this to sound silly, but you do realize that whether the icon is blue, red, or green makes a big difference right? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The warlock has a majority of spells on green-backed icons ... those are the ones that will hit every mob in the encounter.  Red-backed icons hit only the single target you have selected.  Blue-backed icons will hit everything around you, whether its in the current encounter or not.So when you notice that you are taking down mobs in entire encounters much faster than solo mobs ... it's because that what our class does.  We have weaker single-target nukes in favor of much stronger encounter-wide nukes.  So yes, actually, it WILL take longer to take down a single mob than four mobs ... assuming that the encounters are equal in challege (i.e. a single one-up-arrow mob is supposedly as challenging as two normal no-arrow mobs or 4-5 triple-down-arrow mobs).EDIT - additionally ... if you are using green- or blue-backed icons vs. a single oppoenent ... that's a huge waste of energy.  Not saying you are doing that ... just making the statement for all newbies in general.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:14 PM</span>

[Fael]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vicontessa wrote:<div></div>I don't mean this to sound silly, but you do realize that whether the icon is blue, red, or green makes a big difference right? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The warlock has a majority of spells on green-backed icons ... those are the ones that will hit every mob in the encounter.  Red-backed icons hit only the single target you have selected.  Blue-backed icons will hit everything around you, whether its in the current encounter or not.So when you notice that you are taking down mobs in entire encounters much faster than solo mobs ... it's because that what our class does.  We have weaker single-target nukes in favor of much stronger encounter-wide nukes.  So yes, actually, it WILL take longer to take down a single mob than four mobs ... assuming that the encounters are equal in challege (i.e. a single one-up-arrow mob is supposedly as challenging as two normal no-arrow mobs or 4-5 triple-down-arrow mobs).EDIT - additionally ... if you are using green- or blue-backed icons vs. a single oppoenent ... that's a huge waste of energy.  Not saying you are doing that ... just making the statement for all newbies in general.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class="date_text">07-17-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:14 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Vicontessa,He is saying that using an AE spell on a solo white, takes longer than using the same AE spell on a group of 4 whites.Not using a single target spell.I never knew that the HPs on individual members of a group of mobs was less than what a solo mob of the same con.Very important lesson.  I definately need to get my trio of Warlocks to 22nd.Mal</div>

[Araxes]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Faelos wrote:Vicontessa,<div>He is saying that using an AE spell on a solo white, takes longer than using the same AE spell on a group of 4 whites.Not using a single target spell.</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah,  that was my point. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  You aren't meant to be using AE on a single solo-con mob.  You use AE when you have 2-5 solo-con mobs linked ... so yes ... they do go down faster - for the reason I and the other poster said ... they are actually just as easy ... they have the same hitpoints but instead of one mob there are 5.  Thus they all get the down arrows whereas the single one gets an up arrow ... </div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class=date_text>07-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:58 PM</span>

[Korpo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Temedor wrote: Perplex, I went to this forum and discovered that it seems that a warlock do much more dps by fighting group of mobs instead of ennemy alone...  How?  I am using the same spells, the same way, in the same order, with the same tactic for every mob, no matter if they are grouped or alone.  Does the spell damage change from solo target to linked targets?  When I place my cursor over a spell icon, I see an amount of damage that the spell do.  Is it on solo or linked mob?  How does spell damage works concerning group and solo mob? <span></span> <div></div><hr></blockquote>If you have a group nuke that does 500 to every member of an encounter, and there are 5 mobs in the encounter, you've just done 2500 damage.If you use that same group nuke on an encounter that only has one mob, you've done 500 damage.The damage listed in the spell is how much it will do to each member of an encounter.</div>

[Fael]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr><div> Thus they all get the down arrows whereas the single one gets an up arrow ... </div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class="date_text">07-18-2006</span> <span class="time_text">02:58 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Can you explain the up and down arrow part?  Im a bit confused.  Are you saying that if you target a single mob, with no arrows, with an AE they get an up arrow?  And targeting an encounter, without arrows, they get down arrows applied?  Temedor seems to be discussing the same con and arrow mobs. As I understand if from the above posts, an encounter of five white mobs might have 500hps total, or 100 each.  A single white mob would have 500hps.  This all makes sense as far as how they drop faster.  But I dont follow the bit about up and down arrows.  I see group encounters with up, down or no arrows and understand that that determines their hps.  You are saying the AE spell triggers a lowering of the arrows on an encounter, even though you dont see it?  How does that work if you are in a group?Thanks,Mal</div><p>Message Edited by Faelos on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:16 AM</span>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faelos wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV> Thus they all get the down arrows whereas the single one gets an up arrow ... <BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <SPAN class=date_text>07-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:58 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Can you explain the up and down arrow part?  Im a bit confused.  Are you saying that if you target a single mob, with no arrows, with an AE they get an up arrow?  And targeting an encounter, without arrows, they get down arrows applied?  Temedor seems to be discussing the same con and arrow mobs.<BR>As I understand if from the above posts, an encounter of five white mobs might have 500hps total, or 100 each.  A single white mob would have 500hps.  This all makes sense as far as how they drop faster.  But I dont follow the bit about up and down arrows.  I see group encounters with up, down or no arrows and understand that that determines their hps.  You are saying the AE spell triggers a lowering of the arrows on an encounter, even though you dont see it?  How does that work if you are in a group?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Mal</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Faelos on <SPAN class=date_text>07-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:16 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>no the spells do not affect what type of encounter it is.</P> <P> </P> <P>if the mob is white & solo and has no arrows its considered even con fight</P> <P>if the mob is white & one up arrow its supposed to be a challenge solo fight for the average player</P> <P>if the mob is white & one down arrow its supposed to be an easier fight than the no arrow solo mob. (by easier usually means less hp)</P> <P>here's the variations i've seen from lowest hp and easiest encounters to highest hp ect.</P> <P> </P> <P>tripple down arrow- solo </P> <P>double down arrow- solo</P> <P>single down arrow- solo</P> <P>no arrow- solo</P> <P>single arrow up- solo</P> <P>double arrow up- solo / small group.</P> <P>triplle arrow up- solo(good gear dependant) / small group / full group<BR></P>