Betrayed wizard needs advice - for raiding warlocks

[drajev]

<DIV>Hello everyone! Here i am after almost 2 years of wizardly i became a warlock a few hours ago and need some advice concerning AA choices in raiding configuration. As i already respecd my AAs, a long time ago 50, a few times to find the best setup, and warlock masters cost me quite a bit of cash, i need to do this only once and can't afford to test. What i want is a good compromise between damage and safe from agro. As a wizard, i didn't have int line and my choices were str and wis lines, though the problem with warlocks is they don't have a 75 int buff and this makes me think i'll be forced to go through the int line. Although with potions etc this problem can be solved. Another thing - as criticals were a major factor for wizards as they had big nukes which became even bigger if u hit crits, with warlocks on aoe dmg does it really make a big difference as to worth it the str line? So with boosted dmg and with criticals i was doing some great dps, often topping parser. Though as warlock is a different animal and demands most of the time a zerker tank to be agro safer i really don't know how this turns out. </DIV> <DIV>It's a whole new game for me and i needed some challenge to stay in the game as wizard is fun but had gone to a dead end with it - know it too well now, can solo just about every named, even after root nerf and its a matter of trying something else, have always been impressed with aoe even with my wiz, much more than DD so i guess i'll find out in the inc days, always wanted to try a lock, but i find it utterly boring the process of leveling a new toon, especially after all the time i've dedicated to this and and he is quite good now, shame i lost my relic vest but nvm, blackheart robe won't be long<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So raiding warlock, to your pens>>></DIV>

[Dajuuk]

<DIV>Welcome to the warlock class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Warlocks get all the same AA's wizards do and they have the same effect.   I personally am going STR/WIS and I believe most warlocks are doing so.   The extra Crits mean just as much to warlocks as they did to wizards.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously you'll want to get certain spells to a minimum of adept III or master level for raiding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Check out the stickied threads.   There is a guide in there for whats the most important stuff to upgrade.   It might be slightly out of date but the important lines are pretty much the same.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You mentioned Bezerker tanks.   Paladins also make great tanks for warlocks in groups, with amends, on many aoe encounters you can just unload and everything is dead by the time you would steal agro.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Enjoy your new class, I hope that its the challenge you were looking for.</DIV>

[MugnMo]

<DIV>As to the lack on intellegence, an extra 16-32 points of int isn't going to make or break you.  If you have decent gear and are in a good raid group, you're int will be way over the cap anyway.  Thus, the only reason I see to go that line is for the deagro.  Again, if you are in a proper raid setup (with de-agro on you and extra agro on the tank), there is no need for this extra deagro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All that being said, I would recommend the STR - WIS path.</DIV>

[Tanatus]

Yep like everyone said STR 4/4/4/8 (for 11.7% extra crit) then WIS all way to the mana preservation skill

[Xede]

str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/4/4/8/8 is what i went then that last point you can put wherever you feel...if you want the extra little you can put that last point into the int for 4 more extra int.

[drajev]

Thank you everyone for the feedback, indeed i grped with a guild wizard yesterday and my int went to 549<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> so this settles it for no int line, i believe skilled players can do great damage without deagro line and with good raid setup so this is of no use anyway. I had the catalyst skill before, as well as sagacity at the same time, so gonna keep this setup for a few days see how it turns out, as of my gear, it's mostly raid fabled/legendary. What sucked is i lost my relic vest, which is normal, but what really got to me is i lost my class hats too and even hoo loh can't be converted into the lock one, after petition a GM told me it's not implemented in game yet...well gonna have to do with noob hierodule crest until relic hat or grand draco. As of spells, i got most of them m1 already,

[Dreadwalk]

All power to you for switch ... but if you look at the last two content updated (FD and KOS) majority of it involves solo mob encounters.   And last i checked most raid named were solo mobs.  So question is why the heck did you change to a warlock - AOE focused.  <div></div>

[Fat T]

That's an easy question to answer, even I know...because warlocks are more fun~  :smileytongue:

[Rumproast]

<DIV>I recently respecced from STR 4/4/4/8/0 and INT 4/4/4/8/8 to STR 4/4/4/8/0 and WIS 4/5/4/8/8 and am pretty happy with the change.  INT line for hate reduction was decent for a while when I was raiding in non-optimal aggro setups a lot (occasional lack of dirge, coercer, troub, etc) but with a good raid setup, being without the aggro reduction is barely noticeble now.  We burn through mana like no one else, sagacity is really nice to have.  Last thing you need is aggro reduction if you are out of mana <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[angelkain]

<DIV>Xede has got a pretty good setup going on there, I've tried to change wis line many times and I always come back to it, and i have gone between int and str and have not noticed much change in agro generation,  the lack of int buff really isnt too mucha factor, imo</DIV>

[Crono1321]

With complete int/wis lines 4/4/4/4/8 you can literally open up with Apocalypse/Void Absolution/Nebula/Chaostorm/Void Absolution and not get aggro.  I'll leave the theorizing up to you how we do it. <div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>You can so same with STR/WIS just use Rift for opening <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and still dont get agro</DIV>

[Crono1321]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<div></div> <div>You can so same with STR/WIS just use Rift for opening <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and still dont get agro</div><hr></blockquote>Wow Tanatus is still around trolling the forums?  Rift doesn't generate aggro, the mobs damage comes from the secondary effect = Rift Slam = falling damage equivalent.  You can always open with rift if you wanted to.  However following rift with my aforementioned sequence will get you aggro. PS- please remember rift does not crit, str line wasted on that spell.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Crono1321 on <span class=date_text>06-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> angelkain wrote:<BR> <DIV>Xede has got a pretty good setup going on there, I've tried to change wis line many times and I always come back to it, and i have gone between int and str and have not noticed much change in agro generation,  the lack of int buff really isnt too mucha factor, imo</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>you are the one that convinced me to change to str/wis instead of str/int =P</P> <P> </P> <P>but yah the lack of the int buff isnt a big deal....if you have the godking weapon and it procs...more than likely you will be above the cap of not already in your group.</P>

[Crono1321]

<blockquote><hr>Patrix513 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> angelkain wrote: <div>Xede has got a pretty good setup going on there, I've tried to change wis line many times and I always come back to it, and i have gone between int and str and have not noticed much change in agro generation,  the lack of int buff really isnt too mucha factor, imo</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>you are the one that convinced me to change to str/wis instead of str/int =P</p> <p>but yah the lack of the int buff isnt a big deal....if you have the godking weapon and it procs...more than likely you will be above the cap of not already in your group.</p><hr></blockquote> You did notice that the int line gives more than 16 or so int from it right?<div></div>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crono1321 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Patrix513 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> angelkain wrote:<BR> <DIV>Xede has got a pretty good setup going on there, I've tried to change wis line many times and I always come back to it, and i have gone between int and str and have not noticed much change in agro generation,  the lack of int buff really isnt too mucha factor, imo</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>you are the one that convinced me to change to str/wis instead of str/int =P</P> <P> </P> <P>but yah the lack of the int buff isnt a big deal....if you have the godking weapon and it procs...more than likely you will be above the cap of not already in your group.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You did notice that the int line gives more than 16 or so int from it right?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i really dont pay attention to my int honestly...i am usually over the cap when in a group anyways. I'm a wis/sta type mage

[Tanatus]

<P>Dude you missed sarcasm ....</P> <P>If you have coercer on raid + troubadur in group you get INSTANTLY -63% de-agro that is enouth to start with CRITICAL on Apocal on despatched mob (yes that mean Apoc hit for 2500 per tic)</P> <P>Button line - right raid set up provide more then enouth condition for warlocks to go max DPS and yet be out of agro...</P>

[Crono1321]

<blockquote><hr>Patrix513 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Crono1321 wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Patrix513 wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> angelkain wrote: <div>Xede has got a pretty good setup going on there, I've tried to change wis line many times and I always come back to it, and i have gone between int and str and have not noticed much change in agro generation,  the lack of int buff really isnt too mucha factor, imo</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>you are the one that convinced me to change to str/wis instead of str/int =P</p> <p>but yah the lack of the int buff isnt a big deal....if you have the godking weapon and it procs...more than likely you will be above the cap of not already in your group.</p> <hr> </blockquote>You did notice that the int line gives more than 16 or so int from it right? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>i really dont pay attention to my int honestly...i am usually over the cap when in a group anyways. I'm a wis/sta type mage<hr></blockquote>So then why, in the last post I quoted, insinuate that additional intelligence was all that is gained from pursuing the int line?<div></div>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Dude you missed sarcasm ....</P> <P>If you have coercer on raid + troubadur in group you get INSTANTLY -63% de-agro that is enouth to start with CRITICAL on Apocal on despatched mob (yes that mean Apoc hit for 2500 per tic)</P> <P>Button line - right raid set up provide more then enouth condition for warlocks to go max DPS and yet be out of agro...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>coercers should be in the MT group for the hate gain along with a dirge...with those two in that group and just having a troub in your group for deaggro it should be more than enough..unless obviously apoc crits for 2500-3k a tick...plus get dynamism from an illusionist since its got a deaggro proc and the eye of thule you should almost rarely if ever get aggro and be easily 1300-2k dps depending on situation.

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Crono1321 wrote:</P> <P>So then why, in the last post I quoted, insinuate that additional intelligence was all that is gained from pursuing the int line?<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>im confused by what you mean

[Supa Mint Flava]

<P>Xede, I thought coercer hate doesn't stack with dirge......do you know "for sure" if it does? </P> <P>Is Tangarth behaving?  Probably not.</P> <P> </P> <P>Discoe/Altus/Boehm</P> <P>70 Defiler/Dirge/Necro</P> <P>P.S.  I'm scanning Warlock board because I have a 50 wizzy I was considering betraying. </P>

[Taipans]

<P>I thought warlocks could start out in freeport or qeynos? Well no I didnt, I made one in freeport because I thought it had to be. But noticed the warlock guide at the top of the forum says you can be one from either city.</P> <P>Reason why I mention this, if you betray qeynos for freeport the wizard class wouldnt change to warlock right?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Dajuuk]

<P>When you betray as a wizard or a warlock, upon completing the quest you are given the option to select which class you wish to be.   You can choose to switch classes or stay the same one.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>After LU24 coercer can not only give hate buff they also can give <STRONG>de-agro raid-wide 23%</STRONG> at M1 Harmonious link .  And yes dirge and coercer hate buffs stacks as their mana regeneration buffs. </DIV>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Supa Mint Flava wrote:<BR> <P>Xede, I thought coercer hate doesn't stack with dirge......do you know "for sure" if it does? </P> <P>Is Tangarth behaving?  Probably not.</P> <P> </P> <P>Discoe/Altus/Boehm</P> <P>70 Defiler/Dirge/Necro</P> <P>P.S.  I'm scanning Warlock board because I have a 50 wizzy I was considering betraying. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>yes they do stack</P> <P> </P> <P>and no he got suspended for a week if that says anything =]</P>

[SwissArmySh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> drajev wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello everyone! Here i am after almost 2 years of wizardly i became a warlock a few hours ago and need some advice concerning AA choices in raiding configuration. As i already respecd my AAs, a long time ago 50, a few times to find the best setup, and warlock masters cost me quite a bit of cash, i need to do this only once and can't afford to test. What i want is a good compromise between damage and safe from agro. As a wizard, i didn't have int line and my choices were str and wis lines, though the problem with warlocks is they don't have a 75 int buff and this makes me think i'll be forced to go through the int line. Although with potions etc this problem can be solved. Another thing - as criticals were a major factor for wizards as they had big nukes which became even bigger if u hit crits, with warlocks on aoe dmg does it really make a big difference as to worth it the str line? So with boosted dmg and with criticals i was doing some great dps, often topping parser. Though as warlock is a different animal and demands most of the time a zerker tank to be agro safer i really don't know how this turns out. </DIV> <DIV>It's a whole new game for me and i needed some challenge to stay in the game as wizard is fun but had gone to a dead end with it - know it too well now, can solo just about every named, even after root nerf and its a matter of trying something else, have always been impressed with aoe even with my wiz, much more than DD so i guess i'll find out in the inc days, always wanted to try a lock, but i find it utterly boring the process of leveling a new toon, especially after all the time i've dedicated to this and and he is quite good now, shame i lost my relic vest but nvm, blackheart robe won't be long<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So raiding warlock, to your pens>>></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dude [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]?</P> <P>Why the hell have you gone Warlock?!?!?!  Everyone knows that Wizards are superior in every way apart from AoE which is useless because that just pulls agro!</P> <P>Don't believe me?  Check some other posts on this forum, there are loads of peeps that say Warlocks suck. :smileywink:<BR></P><p>Message Edited by SwissArmyShoe on <span class=date_text>06-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 AM</span>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SwissArmyShoe wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> drajev wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello everyone! Here i am after almost 2 years of wizardly i became a warlock a few hours ago and need some advice concerning AA choices in raiding configuration. As i already respecd my AAs, a long time ago 50, a few times to find the best setup, and warlock masters cost me quite a bit of cash, i need to do this only once and can't afford to test. What i want is a good compromise between damage and safe from agro. As a wizard, i didn't have int line and my choices were str and wis lines, though the problem with warlocks is they don't have a 75 int buff and this makes me think i'll be forced to go through the int line. Although with potions etc this problem can be solved. Another thing - as criticals were a major factor for wizards as they had big nukes which became even bigger if u hit crits, with warlocks on aoe dmg does it really make a big difference as to worth it the str line? So with boosted dmg and with criticals i was doing some great dps, often topping parser. Though as warlock is a different animal and demands most of the time a zerker tank to be agro safer i really don't know how this turns out. </DIV> <DIV>It's a whole new game for me and i needed some challenge to stay in the game as wizard is fun but had gone to a dead end with it - know it too well now, can solo just about every named, even after root nerf and its a matter of trying something else, have always been impressed with aoe even with my wiz, much more than DD so i guess i'll find out in the inc days, always wanted to try a lock, but i find it utterly boring the process of leveling a new toon, especially after all the time i've dedicated to this and and he is quite good now, shame i lost my relic vest but nvm, blackheart robe won't be long<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So raiding warlock, to your pens>>></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dude [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]?</P> <P>Why the hell have you gone Warlock?!?!?!  Everyone knows that Wizards are superior in every way apart from AoE which is useless because that just pulls agro!</P> <P>Don't believe me?  Check some other posts on this forum, there are loads of peeps that say Warlocks suck. :smileywink:<BR></P> <P>Message Edited by SwissArmyShoe on <SPAN class=date_text>06-29-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:50 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>you will never see me say warlocks suck =] i actually enjoy the class and think we are fine exactly the way we are...maybe a little bit better deaggro than the crappy Vulian interference and Null Caress but at least its a step into the right direction. but then again not every class has everything perfect.

[Crono1321]

Haha...wizards do better single target damage...thats a good one lol... <div></div>

[Korpo]

I'm using the AGI AA line right now, as I figure 14% faster casting and 14% faster recast = 14% more dps as long as I have power.Compare that to the STR line, which gives you a 14% (I think?) higher chance to do 0-30% more damage. Blame the lack of coffee if I'm wrong, but that adds up to 4.2% more dps at most.I'm using WIS as well, but the free 24% boost to one nuke per minute, nice little ward, and +8% to everything you do is hard to argue with.

[Fat T]

<P>faster recast doesn't necessarily equate to better dps than crits.  If you think about it 14% of 4 seconds is .56 so your cast is only cut to 3.44 seconds, for the most part the recast helps a bit as recasts are generally longer than casts, but they're still not enough to boost your dps over the STR/WIS combo.</P> <P>I've had a couple sorcerers in my guild ask my why I'm doing about 3-4 hundred more dps then they are, I have them respec from AGI line and they're right there with me now for the most part.</P>