When will we be #1 AE?

[Sevm]

<div>Well last night in PP:tR our guild was going all out on the dmg to make top 5 on the parser to get an idea of where each class stands DPS-wise in raids.  FYI: there are several groups of 12-20+ mobs there which would seem like DPS heaven for a warlock. </div><div> </div><div>WRONG!</div><div> </div><div>I was consistently out DPS on these mobs by a ranger, swashbuckler, a berzerker, a wizard, a conjuror and a necromancer.  And the 3, 4, and 5 group mobs.  I had to pound my keys like a maniac (going WAY out of power and using all my health->mana) just to get 5th in those parses.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">Why?  I cannot get off more than 3 spells on the large mobs where other classes have virtually instant dmg.  Not that big of deal since theyre arent many mobs like this but still funny since we are supposed to be AE gods and the highest DPS anyone has done in PP:TR for large encounter was done by a Berzerker.</font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">We are supposed to be T1 DPS and will EASILY get out-dps'd on SINGLE-TARGETS by Tier 3 summoners, plus almost every other class.  </font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00"><strong>BUT we should EXCEL on groups of 3 and more and again, with all Master I spells and every thing maxed with no resists - I cannot make the top 7 in DPS on those 1 million Hitpoint mobs (groups of FIVE) in PP:tR.</strong></font></div><div><strong><font color="#ffff00"></font></strong> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">ok.  rant over.  i like my class.  but it seems like every day other classes are catching up and we dont do any thing well and have very little use (NO UTILITIES, CRAPPY BUFFS, t3 single target dmg, and BARELY t1 group target dmg).</font></div><div> </div>

[BaronVonPitviper]

<div>/sigh</div><div> </div><div>I know, it's very depressing. But look at it this way, many of our awesome damage spells will be upgraded with the new level cap. Aura of Pain, Devastaion, Nul Abso, Dark Nebula are all in line to be upgraded. For the most part as warlocks are configured right at this moment, we missed the DPS bus for DoF. The community will probably want our heads on a platter when we ding level 63 and 64.  That'll be a great time for warlocks, got all my veteran's rewards potions ready to go. Level 64 or bust!</div><div> </div><div>Get yer [Removed for Content] at least 3 T7 adept3s asahp.</div>

[Deathspell]

/agreeAs of late, and unlike some other classes, the Warlock class is not a properly balanced class.<div></div>

[Mycanthus]

<div><blockquote><hr>BaronVonPitviper wrote:<div>/sigh</div><div> </div><div>I know, it's very depressing. But look at it this way, many of our awesome damage spells will be upgraded with the new level cap. <font color="#ffff00">Aura of Pain, Devastaion, Nul Abso, Dark Nebula</font> are all in line to be upgraded. For the most part as warlocks are configured right at this moment, we missed the DPS bus for DoF. The community will probably want our heads on a platter when we ding level 63 and 64.  That'll be a great time for warlocks, got all my veteran's rewards potions ready to go. Level 64 or bust!</div><div> </div><div>Get yer [Removed for Content] at least 3 T7 adept3s asahp.</div><hr></blockquote>OMG I can't wait!  WOOT LEVEL 64 or bust!</div>

[TheBladesCaress]

If you cant get highest dps on those mobs in PPtR, then something is wrong.  My best is on the 18 set, 112554 dmg in 9s, or 12056 DPS.  Next closest was the other warlock.<div></div>

[Talonis]

Competing with 2 or 3 rangers, a couple of summoners and such, I usually manage to get off my spell procs and a couple of AE's to come in at around 2-4k dps. None of these pulls lasts for more than a few seconds. This is one of the very few raid encounters where I can usually come out on top.The rest of the game......still T3 at best.Oh yeah, my Broodlings are still broke too......kkthxbye.<div></div>

[Victicu]

<div></div><p>On those large AE fights in PP:TR if i time my spells right its not too hard to out dps a ranger.</p><p>but i've found it near immpossible to out dps a conj on those fights, no matter how hard i try.</p>

[Max122]

<div>With devastation getting upgraded i doubt it will its a class defining spell.  Others should and will get upgraded just wonder if we get maybe another class defining ae that is different from devastation at say 70.</div><div> </div><div>On those large groups in poets return i am 1st most the time usually am not first if devastation is down that is really the only time.</div>

[Ashtu]

I can see how, under certain circumstances, a wizard could out-DPS you.  However I can't figure out for the life of me how they could out AE you.

[Jiwi]

<div></div><p>Is the OP below L50?  After I got Devastation AND (big and) we are fighting appropriate leveled mobs (yellow cons) NO ONE out does my DPS in groups.  We were doing giants a few days ago (before Ding 60!) and we were parsing every fight trying to out do each other.  While on single targets or if I was resisted or devastation was down the Wizard and the Ranger easily out did me.  But when all cylinders were firing I could do DOUBLE what they did.  Just my cp!</p><p> </p><p>Zappz</p><p>L60 Warlock</p><p>Lavastorm</p><p> </p>

[yodamite]

<div></div>What is PP:tR?

[Talonis]

Poets Palace: The Return.It's an epic raid zone instance of Poets Palace.<div></div>

[Sevm]

<div></div><p>sry for late response but to follow up a few questions:</p><p>Yes I am lvl 60 - most legendary, some fabled ( always 450+ Int in raids) and all master I.</p><p>My guild is the top guild on server and one of the best worldwide so yes a ranger beats me but our ranger is prolly the best/equally equipped worldwide.</p><p>Zerkers can beat me in this zone or get very close to me when they burn Visions of madness and rampage.</p><p>Also, whoever was doing 12k dps you must be in suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] raid if you are the only one doing that dmg.  Out battles are over in about 10-15 seconds.  I hit concussive before Devastation (4 sec).  Depending on how far down the mobs are I will either hit Dark Nebula if they have more than half HP or go with Nil Absolution if they are lower to get a big DPS boost.  Then I always clean up any last scraps with Boundless Fury if there are any less. </p><p><font color="#ffff00">Otherwise, a previous poster might be right in that we maxed out with Devastation at 50 and got many crappy spells post 50 (NA at 48, Dark Nebula 50, and Null Distortion 51 <-- Spells we use most).</font></p><p><font color="#ffff00">Hopefully Devs will understand we didnt get upgrades past lvl 51 and give us some serious Top Tier1 AE and Tier 2 single target DPS spells.</font></p><p> </p>

[Seth]

<div>I am in incinder's guild and i am the other warlock he is talking about. I was just going over the parses of the last time we did PPtR and it would be us to warlocks up top all the time on the grp mobs, if we werent we prob had died mid fight. Most of the time Incin was in front a couple of times i was in front but we had a decent lead on any other class.</div><div> </div><div>One parse im looking at now i did 61223 dmg in 26secs, incin was in at 35689, and the next class was a ranger im pretty sure with 19726. Im not going to post these parses i belive its against our rules but honestly.. what are you doing wrong? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sevman wrote:<div></div><p>Also, whoever was doing 12k dps you must be in suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] raid if you are the only one doing that dmg.  Out battles are over in about 10-15 seconds.  I hit concussive before Devastation (4 sec).  Depending on how far down the mobs are I will either hit Dark Nebula if they have more than half HP or go with Nil Absolution if they are lower to get a big DPS boost.  Then I always clean up any last scraps with Boundless Fury if there are any less.</p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>No...<b>YOU</b> must suck because on group battles no warlock I know EVER has problems getting the top of the dps chart for that battle.  Like the earlier poster said, you can pass 10,000dps on those grouped skels in PP:R....YOU SUCK! </span><div></div>

[Lyasa]

<div></div><p>dunno about PPtR, as my guild ain't up to that yet, but have done 60k damage in 9s on monk swarms in PoF (~6900dps). 9s being the length of the fight at 55. ~25 mobs... (started w/ DN to prevent tank getting killed since it was our first try at it so i could have probably done much better had i opened w/ dev)</p><p>and the zerker (not tanking) wasn't even 1/10th of my dps. though i haven't compared w/ a conj or ranger, i can't see how i'm gonna get beat on that one.</p>

[OperationsX]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mycanthus wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>BaronVonPitviper wrote:<div>/sigh</div><div> </div><div>I know, it's very depressing. But look at it this way, many of our awesome damage spells will be upgraded with the new level cap. <font color="#ffff00">Aura of Pain, Devastaion, Nul Abso, Dark Nebula</font> are all in line to be upgraded. For the most part as warlocks are configured right at this moment, we missed the DPS bus for DoF. The community will probably want our heads on a platter when we ding level 63 and 64.  That'll be a great time for warlocks, got all my veteran's rewards potions ready to go. Level 64 or bust!</div><div> </div><div>Get yer [Removed for Content] at least 3 T7 adept3s asahp.</div><hr></blockquote>OMG I can't wait!  WOOT LEVEL 64 or bust!</div><hr></blockquote><p>Is there a way you can prove that without breaking the NDA? Devastation is a class defining special lvl 50 spell, it should not be upgraded, there should be another AE spell you can use with it that gets upgraded or a new one in t7 but devastation shouldn't be upgraded. If you guys get devastation upgraded I want my Blazing Presence upgraded and I"m sure Wizards would want their Ice comet upgraded.</p><p> </p>

[OperationsX]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Sevman wrote:<div>Well last night in PP:tR our guild was going all out on the dmg to make top 5 on the parser to get an idea of where each class stands DPS-wise in raids.  FYI: there are several groups of 12-20+ mobs there which would seem like DPS heaven for a warlock. </div><div> </div><div>WRONG!</div><div> </div><div>I was consistently out DPS on these mobs by a ranger, swashbuckler, a berzerker, a wizard, a conjuror and a necromancer.  And the 3, 4, and 5 group mobs.  I had to pound my keys like a maniac (going WAY out of power and using all my health->mana) just to get 5th in those parses.</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">Why?  I cannot get off more than 3 spells on the large mobs where other classes have virtually instant dmg.  Not that big of deal since theyre arent many mobs like this but still funny since we are supposed to be AE gods and the highest DPS anyone has done in PP:TR for large encounter was done by a Berzerker.</font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00">We are supposed to be T1 DPS and will EASILY get out-dps'd on SINGLE-TARGETS by Tier 3 summoners, plus almost every other class.  </font></div><div><font color="#ffff00"></font> </div><div><font color="#ffff00"><strong>BUT we should EXCEL on groups of 3 and more and again, with all Master I spells and every thing maxed with no resists - I cannot make the top 7 in DPS on those 1 million Hitpoint mobs (groups of FIVE) in PP:tR.</strong></font></div><div><strong><font color="#ffff00"></font></strong> </div><div><font color="#ffffff">ok.  rant over.  i like my class.  but it seems like every day other classes are catching up and we dont do any thing well and have very little use (NO UTILITIES, CRAPPY BUFFS, t3 single target dmg, and BARELY t1 group target dmg).</font></div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><p>We all know sorcerers have issues with raid dps, you don't need to keep bringing up the subject and pointing to other classes saying 'omg omg look at what they do' , you need to get YOUR spell issues fixed, and I'm sorry the devs are lame and gave you hope with a dark infestation fix and it STILL isn't working, that is not the rest of the damage tier classes fault. They are working as intended.</p><p>Oh btw thanks for pointing out summoners and whining about em, you know summoners are SUPPOSE to do more sustained single target DPS than you right? At least necros as they are like wizard and conjuror are like warlock. But a warlock will win a summoner anyday in burst DPS, not long fights and correct me if I'm wrong but PPR has one of the more HP mobs (longest lasting) in the game right?</p><p>So even if you got all your class issues fixed on LONG fights with mobs that have 1 million Hps you really shouldn't ever expect to do more dps longterm than summoners and scouts, but you should be at least doing the highest spikes of damage for a good..eh 20 seconds or so, no one should rival you at doing insane burst dps and currently they are, which is a problem but NOT these longterm fights.</p><p>By design scouts and summoners are suppose to do more sustained dps (long term dps) and sorcerers are suppose to be burst kings (although on short fights scouts are still getting the advantage) , but you guys should be doing alot better, and everyone agrees so stop with the class pointing, troll off and get your own classes issues fixed, thanks.</p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by OperationsX on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:25 PM</span></p>