All Warlocks should be evil!

[Araxes]

<div></div>Well? Don't you think? We do poison and disease damage.  C'mon.  Just think about those two things. Does it GET more evil than that? Oooooh an assassin stabs a person ... oooh that's evil ... but me?  Oh I just cause mass death, crippling, and decay.  Meh.  That's not so evil. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class=date_text>12-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:25 PM</span>

[Dragonlor]

<DIV>First, before I am misinterpreted, I understand that your post is made in fun...as is mine</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not saying you are wrong :smileywink:, but....following your logic, many more classes would have to be added to the "evil" list.  Many scout classes use poison to do damage (rangers, etc) and the dirge does both poison and disease damage too so definitely add them to the evil only list.  Personally, I see both enchanter classes (illusionist and coercer) as borderline as well.  I mean, these people are affecting people's minds.  This is usually an area that few "good" mages would explore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I like it that the warlock and many others are neutral giving players the option to play them as they see fit and not as a good or evil stereotype.  I think I heard someone else say (or it was in their sig): "magic is not evil, people are evil."  There is value in a roleplaying game letting people explore these greyish areas of classes.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my 2 cents.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Happy New Year all!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Dragonlord1 on <span class=date_text>12-31-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:48 PM</span>

[betterji]

<P>its stero types like this that just make me cry myself to sleep sometimes!</P> <P>Poison isnt evil its um........erm natural disease is just what we use to kill off the old and the weaker ones</P>

[Worrick]

<DIV>And of course everyone knows burning someone alive is not evil in any way. Or hacking them apart with a sword. Even mother Teresa was know to set ablaze small villages and behead unruly children. Poison is evil but fire is the essence of goodness.</DIV>

[Einsteinb]

<DIV>Isn't interesting a book from Qeynos talks about an interrogation of a militia leader by inquisitors.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It could be worth a look at my earlier post about a roleplayed description of a warlock. A poster brought up an interesting concept that death and disease are natural phenomena. A warlock can be a neutral medium for the spreading of such natural things in a world where there is a tendancy to cheap death through scout camps and reviving priests. Perhaps a warlock would believe it is their duty to bring back the balance of life and death (perhaps by destroying un-death). Take a look at the post, the original poster puts the point across better.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course, I think it is a bit more fun to play that evil bringer of death type of warlock. Yet the road is clearly out there for a neutral/good warlock.</DIV>

[Wossname]

I have just completed the Warlock sub-class quest in Qeynos, I was given the choice between fire/ice and poison/disease. If you read the flavour text if you choose Warlock then you are asked to confirm you wish to be a Warlock and wield power that may be used for good but is skirting the slippery slope to evil. I don't recall the exact words but that was the gist of it.Poison and disease are simply tools, same as fire and ice. How you use them and what for is what defines the Warlock or Wizard as good or evil.

[Aristotel]

<DIV>I have to agree with the OP, I have never heard in any RPG of a good Warlock, that's a little bit strange seeing highelve Warlocks :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some say poisen and disease is no evil damage type.......give me some examples of evil damage types, or give me some examples of good damage types(isn't it strange to say GOOD DAMAGE!!!).....just think about it :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But a way to make it better, a quest that includes a "Evil" or a "Good" in front of WARLOCK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Araxes]

YOU CAN CLOSE YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH AND DELUDE YOURSELVES. YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH SOMEDAY.  SOMEDAY! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Ok but really.  This post was made in total fun but some of you do raise some good points about RP possibilities.  Still. <div></div>

[Anu'hu]

Well if you want to get specific, female characters shouldnt be allowed to become warlocks. A "Warlock" is a male witch after all :smileywink:

[Araxes]

hehe.  This is true. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Korpo]

Pfft, half the people out there think all warlocks are evil anyway.<div></div>

[Tomanak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Worrick wrote:<div>And of course everyone knows burning someone alive is not evil in any way. Or hacking them apart with a sword. Even mother Teresa was know to set ablaze small villages and behead unruly children. Poison is evil but fire is the essence of goodness.</div><hr></blockquote><p>This is so true...Disease Corrupts, Fire Purifies. What could be holier than that :smileywink:</p><p>btw "<em>Even mother Teresa was know to set ablaze small villages</em>" is classic. Had me LOL...</p>

[Einsteinb]

<div>'From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up, baldhead," they shouted, "go up, baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.' (2 Kings 2:23-24  New American Bible <a target="_blank" href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_P92.HTM#JT">http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_P92.HTM#JT</a> )</div><div> </div><div>Indeed, the means is as important as the end. There are many cases in the lore of EQ2 where wizards have been quite vain. One instance seemed to be when the High Elf wizards were defending their citadel against the Dark Elf necromancers. The wizards in their battle to defeat the undead hordes soaked up massive amounts of arcane power. In the end all the undead minions were killed, but the necromancers informed the High Elves that the arcane powers they were using had been tainted by their poisons and that all the wizards were doomed to die off.</div><div> </div><div>Note: The above bible verse is often interpreted to be a warning to respect prophets and not to portray them as wrathful.</div>

[Worrick]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Tomanak wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Worrick wrote:<div>And of course everyone knows burning someone alive is not evil in any way. Or hacking them apart with a sword. Even mother Teresa was know to set ablaze small villages and behead unruly children. Poison is evil but fire is the essence of goodness.</div><hr></blockquote><p>This is so true...Disease Corrupts, Fire Purifies. What could be holier than that :smileywink:</p><p>btw "<em>Even mother Teresa was know to set ablaze small villages</em>" is classic. Had me LOL...</p><hr></blockquote>Just wanted to say in my own little way, that to classify Poison and Disease as magics of the evil, one must say Fire and Ice are used by the good. Useing magic to harm another, or even useing a sword as I also mentioned, is still bringing harm. Damage is damage, it matters not what kind you use only in how and why you use it. Poison will not make anyone more dead the fire.</div><div> </div><div>As far as roleplaying reasons go I walk the path of good and evil. That is to say many would deam my characaters actions as evil, but he deams them as good. After all no one thinks what they do is wrong, if they did they wouldn't do it. Anyway what my Character belives is in this world we live in afetr the cataclysmic events people must all ban together to improve our world and regain our former glory. But to do this we can not have our gene pool cantanimated by those that are simply a waste of space. The weak must be cleansed so that our future will be strong. Poison and Disease is how nature culls the weak it is only fitting that I who am doing natures work use the same methods. My character is from Freeport, not because I am evil but because the well meaning people of Qeynos could not see the truth in my goals. Thinking that my methods of ensuring our future was wrong. Freeportians on the other hand, though misguided in thier selfish pursuits are less jugemental on my methods. Some times one must live among savages to do the work of the enlightened.</div><div> </div><div>That is how I roleplay my warlock. Well that and canabalism ,including self canabalism. We erudites positivly flow with power. And the onyl way to be on the top of the food chain is canabalism.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>EDIT: started to do some spelling corrections but with my typeing it is a hopeless cause. I can miss type any word in the dictionary, and have for most of them.</div><p>Message Edited by Worrick on <span class="date_text">01-11-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:33 AM</span></p>

[Llai]

<div></div>Since i LOVE dictionarying words i thought i would contribute my findings <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Warlock:<b><i>a) noun</i>:</b>   a male witch or demon<span class="ResultBodyBlack"></span><span class="ResultBody">b) a man who is supposed to be a sorcerer or wizard</span><b>c) noun</b> a man who practises witchcraft.   <font size="-1">— ORIGIN</font> Old English, traitor, scoundrel, monster, also the Devild) a man practicing the black arts <b>: <a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sorcerer" target="_blank"><font size="-1">SORCERER</font></a>e) </b><span class="fieldValue">a man who practices witchcraft or magic arts; sorcerer.f) </span><font size="-1">NOUN:</font> A male witch, sorcerer, wizard, or demong) a fortuneteller or conjurer.h) Original primary sense seems to have been "oath-breaker;" given special application to the devil (c.1000), but also used of giants and cannibals. Meaning "one in league with the devil" is recorded from c.1300. Ending in <span class="foreign">-ck</span> and meaning "male equivalent of <span class="foreign">witch</span>" (156<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> are from Scottish.As we can see a warlock is generaly a male witch but also someone who practices the black arts, or sometimes even a demon (hence in RL when you call someone a warlock you are refering to a wizard who dwells with the black arts). Also note that the last defniition defines a warlock as someone who does not keep his word or is in league with the demon! Other points to note is that any mage can be called a warlocks even a conjurer!Now lets look at wizard and sorcerer <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (ok ill put fewer definitions this time<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)Sorcerer:a) <b>noun</b> (<font size="-1" face="Arial narrow">fem.</font> <b>sorceress</b>) a person believed to practise magic; a wizard.b) <span class="fieldValue">one who is believed to have supernatural powers, aided by evil spirits; wizard.c) </span>A conjurer; an enchanter; a magician.d) a person who practices sorcery; black magician; wizard.Ok admittetly most dictionaries used definition (a). However notice that most also have a second definition that indicate a wizard using dark arts, the same as a warlock.Wizard:<b>a) noun</b> <b>1</b> a man who has magical powers, especially in legends and fairy tales<span>b)</span> <i>archaic</i> <b>:</b> a wise man <b>: <a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sage" target="_blank"><font size="-1">SAGE</font></a></b>c) one skilled in magic <b>: <a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sorcerer" target="_blank"><font size="-1">SORCERER</font></a>d) </b><span class="ResultBodyBlack"><b>male witch: </b></span><span class="ResultBody">a man who is supposed to have magical or wonder-working powerse) </span><span class="cald-definition">a man who is believed to have magical powers and who uses them to harm or help other peopleOk the main diference between a wizard and sorcerer/warlock is that unlike the other 2 defnitions a wizard is just someone with magical powers that uses them both for harm and to help. He is not mingled with the dark arts.Now as a personal bit of information.... As far as i know its basicly wizard vs sorcerer as good vs evil. A warlock is a high sorcerer, more like a title. Now, fiction wise when someone uses disease or poison, but more specificaly curses he is considered evil. Basicly a wizard and warlock both use nature for their battles. A wizard uses the more pure, good natured elements where as a warlock/sorcerer uses the darker elements. This is what the elements represent</span>Water: nurturer of life, sustainer of growth, basic to every living thingEarth: where every seedling takes root; the ground of our being, our home and point of outlookAir: in every breath we acknowledge the atmosphere wherein we live; the elixir of our existenceFire: thwarter of cold, light against the darkness, symbol of the burning human spiritPoison and Disease represent death, illness, decay etc.<b><a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/conjurer" target="_blank"><font size="-1"></font></a></b><div></div>

[pharacyde]

<div>Crap i got a female warlock what does that make her ?</div><div> </div>

[Fumbles]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>pharacyde wrote:<div>Crap i got a female warlock what does that make her ?</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>A witch!

[Araxes]

A heretic!  An impostor!  BURN HER! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Alfgand]

<div>If Warlocks should be evil and Trolls are evil......</div><div> </div><div>Could this be why my tall green, with spiked hair but very cute Troll Warlock gets funny looks in Qeynos?</div>

[dreadfa]

<div></div>I'm a rat, for cazic's sake! disease is second nature to me. I moved to qeynos because I got sick of gnawing my way out of trolls' stomachs. I like qeynos. The gnomes don't try to blow me up (at least not on purpose). The kerra don't try to eat me. There's only a few trolls, and they don't try to eat me either. You saying I should be a wizard because I live in Qeynos? I think not. Ratonga wizards seem wrong for some reason. Going against my natural abilities rather than using them for the greater good is counterproductive.

[Korpo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Fumbles wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>pharacyde wrote:<div>Crap i got a female warlock what does that make her ?</div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>A witch!<hr></blockquote>Did you see if she weighs more than a duck?</span></div>

[Worrick]

<div></div>I weigh the same a sa duck, and I was once used to build a bride. What are you getting at?

[Ashtu]

<div></div><p>What ticks me off is we got wizards and warlocks, both can be good or evil.  But you have to pick sides as an enchanter??  Illusionist automatically means good??</p><p>I wanted to play an evil mage with group invis, but that just got blown out the water.  Picked an evil fury instead.</p>

[Raminicus]

<blockquote><hr>Vicontessa wrote:<div></div>Well?Don't you think?We do poison and disease damage.  C'mon.  Just think about those two things.Does it GET more evil than that?Oooooh an assassin stabs a person ... oooh that's evil ... butme?  Oh I just cause mass death, crippling, and decay. Meh.  That's not so evil.<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Vicontessa on <span class="date_text">12-31-2005</span><span class="time_text">07:25 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>To extend your logic, every class in the game uses various tools and arts to kill. Therefore, all are evil by nature.

[Korpo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ashtura wrote:<div></div><p>What ticks me off is we got wizards and warlocks, both can be good or evil.  But you have to pick sides as an enchanter??  Illusionist automatically means good??</p><p>I wanted to play an evil mage with group invis, but that just got blown out the water.  Picked an evil fury instead.</p><hr></blockquote>Sorcs, Druids, Bards, and Warriors can all be either evil or good.</span></div>

[Rapsodomy]

<div></div><div></div><p><u>Warlocks should be evil aligned?</u></p><p>I'm a rare breed, a good Warlock. I like the fact there's race / alignment options for some of the races. My first char was just a test run, but for my Main I spent hours researching, I knew roughly what kind of game I wanted to play, be it traditional, massively different from EQ1, be it hard, easy, distressing, annoying, whatever, I wasn't going to let anything stand in my way of becoming as good at whatever class I selected as I could and also regardless of anything sony could throw at me.  I selected my class based on a lot of things, of course my research started where your char starts, Race. This isn't EQ1. It's EQ2, forget EQ1, or perhaps go back and play that instead. This game just can't be compared with EQ1 omho.</p><p>Apart from getting exactly what I wanted, I also enjoy being the freak. Most people I meet didn't even know you could be a good Warlock. I had some bitter arguments with old EQ1'ers who were absolutely convinced I'd have to betray to Freeport.</p><p><u>Warlocks should be Male?</u></p><p>Whoa hold on a minute, Cameraman, Joiner, Doctor, Vicar, Lorry Driver, Stylist, Police Constable, Bouncer, Fighter Pilot, [Removed for Content] Star, Nurse, Air Steward, Jedi, to name just a small few traditionally either male or female roles.  Even Witches can be male or female.  Let's just not go there, please.  I need sony's full attention on building on the awesome stuff they've already given us and besides I'd hate to see all the female players leave.</p><p>Rav. 60 Warlock BB.</p><p>Raps. 32 Fury BB.</p><p>Message Edited by Rapsodomy on <span class="date_text">01-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:27 AM</span></p>

[Ashtu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>korpo53 wrote:<div><span><blockquote> </blockquote>Sorcs, Druids, Bards, and Warriors can all be either evil or good.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I know.  And if it applies to sorcs I think it should apply to enchanters as well.

[Rapsodomy]

<div></div><div></div><p>Why?</p><p>(There's only a few classes out of the 12 available classes that can be trained in either city.)</p><p>Why do you think it should apply to Enchanters too?</p><p>Where's your argument?</p><p>:smileyvery-happy:</p><p>Message Edited by Rapsodomy on <span class="date_text">01-30-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:08 AM</span></p>

[Ashtu]

<div></div><p>Because I don't think that coercers are any more evil than warlocks.</p><p>That, and its not balanced that there is no freeport mage with group invis.</p><p>Give coercers group invis and I'm fine with that.</p>

[Spag]

<div></div>or give it to warlocks  lol    <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ashtu]

<div>I wouldnt be opposed to that either, I think warlocks could stand a little more utility.  Its not like they are so awesome compared to wizards that their evac should just be overlooked.</div>

[Delameko Stone]

It seems to me that neutral classes were an afterthought... as all the neutral classes have a good-sounding and an evil-sounding class...

[Alteri]

<div></div><div>My little gnome warlock lives and thrives in Qeynos. I don't generally roleplay with her, but when I meet people who are roleplaying, I like to play along. The way I explain it to them, and to anyone else who asks, is that in my travels I have met both good and evil adventurers, and it rarely has much to do with which city they hail from. I also ask them if they have ever been to Zek. Shadowknights and necromancers? Bah! It's those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] orcs that scare the hell out of me!</div>

[RFMan]

Okay, while poison and disease may be "tools", consider the following spell names: "Dark Pyre", "Aura of Emptiness", "Scourge of Shadows", "Curse of Emptiness" (note that it says <u>curse</u>, which is also what necromancer debuffs are called), "Soul Blister", "Dark Nebula", "Dark Infestation", "Anarchic Maelstrom", "<u><i><b>ABHORRENT/WICKED/</b></i><i><b>CORRUPT GIFT</b></i></u>", "Seal of Ebon Thought", "Magi's Shielding"... okay maybe not that one, "Dark Pillaging", "Skeletal Grasp", "Aspect of Darkness", "Curse of Desolation"...Also consider that on all buffs of the Aspect line, there is a quote from Lord Grimrot, "Revel in darkness, block out the light!" or something to that effect.Come on, guys, we're evil.  We're just SO evil that we're deceptive enough to get into the good city, which we do just so that we can have a good economy.  So, guys, get over this "We're not an evil class!" nonsense and put an upside-down pentagon of flaming boars heads on the wall in your house like I did... then go check out what Broker Aliindar has for sale down in QH.<div></div>

[Einsteinb]

<div>Well, spell names are just a tiny fraction of the weight of RP material you can use with any class really.</div><div> </div><div>Indeed, if one wanted they could RP that they do not use certain spells that are more evil-inclined. Perhaps they can take that and run with it. State that the wealth of power to be obtained from the evil spells in the warlock profession are a constant temptation to be avoided. Have personal struggles like Anakin Skywalker in Starwars where he fights to avoid the dark side with occasional slip ups.</div>

[Araxes]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>RFMan wrote:Come on, guys, we're evil.  We're just SO evil that we're deceptive enough to get into the good city, which we do just so that we can have a good economy.  So, guys, get over this "We're not an evil class!" nonsense and put an upside-down pentagon of flaming boars heads on the wall in your house like I did... then go check out what Broker Aliindar has for sale down in QH.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And don't forget that we summon a [Removed for Content] DEMON as our thrall.  I mean yeah.  I know LOTS of Queen-lovers who do THAT.  All the TIME man.  All the time. </p><p>=P</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Styk]

<div>All due respect if you want to be realistic Females can never be warlocks since the term warlock is gender based ( female being a witch a male being a warlock )</div><div> </div><div>But in the everquest sense yes Warlocks should be neutral since technically evil sorcerors can cast fire and ice as well ( hense being an evil wizard )</div><div> </div><div>SO basically no warlocks should only be evil but hey thats just me</div>

[matinisback]

<div></div>WARLOCKS ARE GOOD !!!  HA

[DarkangelCA]

<div>"Well if you want to get specific, female characters shouldnt be allowed to become warlocks. A "Warlock" is a male witch after all <img border="0" src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif" height="16" width="16">"   This is infact false.  Doesn't matter what modern Dictionaries say, the name Warlock goes back farther then most ppl realize.  The original spelling and interpretation of the word means Traitor in the Viking era, male or female, didn't matter.  When Warlocks were added to DAOC, there was a several page post about it.  Warlock as a male witch is more of a bastardized version of witch via movies and modern literature.  In the old days Male witches were just that, witches.</div>