adept IIIs

[Kazimer]

<DIV>that sticky looks severely out of date.  I'm 47 with only adept III in distortion(37).  So I'm asking what spells should I have now to be adept3 and include up to lv 60.  thanks!  (I'm picking nil at 54 for my master2 I think)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- devastation</DIV> <DIV>- dark nebula</DIV> <DIV>- cower</DIV> <DIV>- ice flame ??</DIV> <DIV>- netheros ??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>what else?</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Well unfortuanally for your budget you might consider having all lvl 47-60 at Adept 3 except for Nul Distortion that you should take at lvl 54 as trait and make it M2</DIV> <DIV>If you want set priority what first and what last its a different story.....</DIV> <DIV>Imo at very least you need</DIV> <DIV>Devastation, Dark Investation, Nil Absolution, Dark Nebula, Soul Blister</DIV> <DIV>The second set would be (once you done first)</DIV> <DIV>Thwart, Boundless Fury, Dark Pyre, Scrouge of Shadow, Aura of Emptiness, Netherous Realm</DIV> <DIV>Lastely upgrade everything else </DIV>

[Ronzul]

Everything that does instant damage (and Devastation), DoTs and roots, nox debuff, mana conversion, tank buffs, other buffs, other debuffs...in roughly that order.  I may be forgetting something...  Different people like different spells, especially among the debuffs.

[CrimsonAveng]

<P><FONT size=2>At level 60 these are the 'must' haves, the ones i use in just about every fight and should be adept 3 or higher.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Devestation, </FONT><FONT size=2>Nil Absolution, </FONT><FONT size=2>Dark Nebula, </FONT><FONT size=2>Thwart, </FONT><FONT size=2>Null Distortion, </FONT><FONT size=2>Ice Flame, </FONT><FONT size=2>Soul Blister, </FONT><FONT size=2>Dark Infestation, </FONT><FONT size=2>Boundless Fury, </FONT><FONT size=2>Null Caress, </FONT><FONT size=2>Skeletal Grasp, </FONT><FONT size=2>Cower.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>

[Kazimer]

<DIV> <DIV>These are the ones I got so far...I couldn't afford any t6 spells, so I will have to save up for the lv52 infestation spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ice Flame</DIV> <DIV>Cower</DIV> <DIV>Deter (Thwart is upgrade at ...58?  long ways away)</DIV> <DIV>Devastation</DIV> <DIV>Dark Nebula</DIV> <DIV>Nil Absolution</DIV> <DIV>Aura of Emptiness</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I plan on getting later.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dark infestation</DIV> <DIV>soul blister</DIV> <DIV>netheros realm</DIV> <DIV>skeletal grasp</DIV> <DIV>Thwart</DIV> <DIV>Boundless Fury</DIV> <DIV>Null Caress</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anything else?  lol..no wonder i can't afford a horse, so many dang spells to get..</DIV></DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Here is a deal about canibalization ....</DIV> <DIV>Sadly very sadly but Master 1 not much better then Adept 1 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Compare 450HP for 200 power (Adept1) vs. 450HP for 266 power - difference almost negliable. Smartest thing you can do is take Grisly contract as you lvl 44 trait and spec into M2 you will get nearly as much mana as Adept 1 of Ghastly contract for a price of much less HP </DIV> <DIV>IceFlame and Thwart - this spells cannt be your top prority for simple reason - very slow recast of 30s</DIV> <DIV>Look Thwart at Adept 3 do 1100-1824 damage at maxed int over 32s (2s cast 30s recast) which is ~48DPS Adept 1 is 20% less aka 39DPS so you real gain by upgrading this spell only 9DPS</DIV> <DIV>Now IceFlame - this spell usable even less then thwart it do 432+432 damage over 32 second in nearly point-blank range which is wimpy 29DPS (assuming you chain casting it)</DIV> <DIV>Nul Caress - yes upgrade from Adept 1 to Adept 3 is make big difference for spell it slow targets for 91% instead if 74% for 10s but think about how often you'll use this spell... I cannt recall any other uses but PvP</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Roots different story, specially cower - quality depend on % of slow plus quality help vs. yellow + conned opponents but not by much. Basically upgrading roots from Adept 1 to Adept 3 help you a lot if you fighting white-yellow cons,,,,, Quality of root unfortunally dont affect stability of root at all  - only improve initial resist check (land vs, resist). In other words M1 root as easy to brake as Apprentice 1, Franly then you solo with warlock you'll use roots only vs. heroic mobs </DIV>

[Deathspell]

If you're going for adept 3's, I'd certainly wouldn't neglect Abysmal/Boundless Fury. That spell is AOE, but it simply owns and should be one of your prioritised spells. <div></div>

[TizZle]

Tanatus is right... From 47 and up should all be pretty much adept 3's and the other rares u get sell and hope u can find some masters on the broker...

[Korpo]

The Pyre line of spells often gets overlooked. It does 1500 or so damage (not playing atm, so I can't look <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) every 10 seconds, and is disease instead of poison.<div></div>

[Korpo]

Oh, and on the power conversion spells. Yes, you only get 66 more power at master over adept 1. Of course, 266/200 = 1.33, so you're getting 33% more power per conversion. Every three conversions you do, it's as if you got a free (both from a timer and hp standpoint) conversion that someone with only adept 1 didn't.<div></div>

[Tanatus]

<P>Korpo you missing point that at lvl 44 you should take Grisly Contract as Master 2 and you wil get around 320HP/189 power which is superior over Adept 3 Ghastly contract in terms of efficiency....</P> <P>Now look on difference 266 power at master 1 and 233 at Adept 3 and 200 at Adept 1... cast 2s recast 20s total 22s in other words you getting barely 3mana per second which is next to nothing.... More over it doesnt matter what you use Adept 1 or Master 1 but with raid power regeneration and your own power reg in 1 cani you will get enouth power to get off Devastion, Dark Investation and Null Absolition upgrading into Master 1 wont allow you cast anything extra</P>

[pharacyde]

<span><blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<p>Korpo you missing point that at lvl 44 you should take Grisly Contract as Master 2 and you wil get around 320HP/189 power which is superior over Adept 3 Ghastly contract in terms of efficiency....</p> <p>Now look on difference 266 power at master 1 and 233 at Adept 3 and 200 at Adept 1... cast 2s recast 20s total 22s in other words you getting barely 3mana per second which is next to nothing.... More over it doesnt matter what you use Adept 1 or Master 1 but with raid power regeneration and your own power reg in 1 cani you will get enouth power to get off Devastion, Dark Investation and Null Absolition upgrading into Master 1 wont allow you cast anything extra</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Djees ... I think you are missing the point ... you still get more mana from Ghastly Contract at adeptIII then the previous version of it at master II. Even if the newer version is less effecient who cares, you get more mana. It's not like you will die or whatever if you use more hp's to convert health to mana.  So it's still a good idea to upgrade that spell to adept III.  I upgraded my debuff first, with the damage spells after it, then my mana regen spells.</span><div></div>

[Tanatus]

<P>Dont get me wrong - upgrading most of the lvl 47+ spells into adept 3 have thier merits all I am saying it should not be top priority (much like upgrading anarchic maelstom)</P> <P>Look AM Master 1 debuff mobs on 701 vs nox AM Adept 1 debuff on 528 vs nox difference is less then 200 .... which is less then nothing</P> <P>Just use common sence - upgrade spells that you use most first</P>