Why so few Warlocks?

[Oakbr]

So I dinged 51 last night.  Woot!  Null Distortion Adept 3 is a nice boost to my single target DPS.  Anyway, I waited for the info to update, then looked at my Warlock's achievements page--I see I'm the 67th Warlock to ding 51 on Najena, and somewhere in the 1400s world-wide.  I find this surprising--we're a powerful class, fun to play, yet there's only a relative handful of us on one of the larger servers in the game.  Why?  Is it an across the board thing, with people leaving a dying game?  Does nobody know what Warlocks can do?

[V4n]

I am a 54 warlock, and I know what warlocks can do. I used to play daily, and now am down to maybe once a week. I guess not all of us agree that we are such a fun class to play anymore. It isn't just the class.  Both the class and the game as a whole are no longer what I signed up for over a year ago. I picked a class that promised all-around top-tier DPS (at the expense of everything else), now we are a narrow niche DPS.  I picked a game that had a decent mix of casual and hard core content, but now it is retuned to be hang-out casual with few character advancement opportunities.  I am glad you and many others enjoy what they have done to our class and the game.  But maybe the explanation to your question is simply that you are in the minority and SOE is catering to a dwindling player demographic.

[Oakbr]

<i>But maybe the explanation to your question is simply that you are in the minority and SOE is catering to a dwindling player demographic.</i> That could be.  I've posted many times that as soon as Vanguard launches, I'm out of here.  Many in my guild feel the same way.  I'm not playing nearly as much as I was earlier in the year.  Sometimes, I won't even log in for several days.  Looks like the server population is in serious decline, at least on Najena.

[Dart]

<P>The upside in my case is Im the only warlock in the guild. So if/when something actually drops (Warlock M1 spell would be nice) I want have to bid high on it and burn my DKP. But yes the ration of Wiz to warl is huge, id venture to guess 4:1 or more. Lon glong time ago in a server far far away... I had a tough choice. I wanted top tier DPS, yet I didnt want o be like everyone else and roll a wiz. Then came Lu13... Changes changes changes..... Im used to it now. And for the most part I am happy but...... </P> <P>Cast times /big bleh </P> <P>Single raid target dps, /blah. Not to mention majority of the time we mezz on raids, when I hear the RL say No AoE's I just /shake my head and look for a guardian to replace me for dps /cackle</P> <P>But being possibly the first frog Warlock on my server... /flex?</P> <P> </P>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>several factors</DIV> <DIV>traditionally wizard was more popular class to play so ratio was 4:1 or so, warlock became golden child of SOE around LU7 and it lasted all way up LU13. So ppl who had lvl 50 wizard at moment of expantion went all to 60, ppl who wanted to play powerhouse caster made .... Conjurers instead of warlock (reason obvious). So was no reason for warlock population increase. On other hand some servers have a lot warlocks on Nektulos we have definitly a lot at least 8-10 lvl 60 warlock and probably about as much between 51 to 60</DIV>

[Dart]

Does anyone know of a level 60 'Froglock' Warlocks? Just wondering as there arnt any that I have seen on Permafrosty. besides myself.

[beeka]

level 60 froglok warlock in my guild on najena

[maddawg138]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>several factors</DIV> <DIV>traditionally wizard was more popular class to play so ratio was 4:1 or so, warlock became golden child of SOE around LU7 and it lasted all way up LU13. So ppl who had lvl 50 wizard at moment of expantion went all to 60, ppl who wanted to play powerhouse caster made .... Conjurers instead of warlock (reason obvious). So was no reason for warlock population increase. On other hand some servers have a lot warlocks on Nektulos we have definitly a lot at least 8-10 lvl 60 warlock and probably about as much between 51 to 60</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>and how many still play on a daily basis? this game has NOTHING for the high end raider and if there is something to do its completely boring or not fun(ie questing, tradskilling, harvesting)</P> <P> </P> <P>PS: who are you on nektulos?</P>

[Max122]

<DIV>Actually the raid zones like living tombs raid zone, shimmering citadel raid zone, and poets the return are excellent and good challenge.  Only thing that blows about them atm which is why everyone hates tier 6 raiding is the loot sucks horribly.  Only one that is good is poets but that is by far a step up from those other 2 raid zones in difficulty for sure.</DIV>

[Tanatus]

Ya Xede not many play past 60 unless you use warlock from farming purpose or raiding. My warlock is Dreamtwister. Using him for raiding mostly and leveling up my coercer now with Master 1 Domination its ......kinda fun

[Araxes]

There are at least 70  Warlocks at 50+ on AB.  I have no way to judge that as a significant number or not.  It's just a reference. <div></div>

[maddawg138]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Max122 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Actually the raid zones like living tombs raid zone, shimmering citadel raid zone, and poets the return are excellent and good challenge.  Only thing that blows about them atm which is why everyone hates tier 6 raiding is the loot sucks horribly.  Only one that is good is poets but that is by far a step up from those other 2 raid zones in difficulty for sure.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>once every 6 days isnt alot to do as well. I've done all the raids zones except the prism and only found fountain of life, poets return and pedastal of sky to be any challenge and fun

[betterji]

level 60 warlock is like levle 50 warlock with a few bumped stats and no cool new spells 8/ allthought the ancient teachings are fun

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Netherous realm and Dark Investation very nice addition to warlock arsenal, rest spells yes just upgrade from previous tier </DIV>

[Kaeylum]

I'm not all that happy with the route SoE took warlocks after the revamp....i remember soloing the thyr giants outside of Sol eye in the mid 40's to 50. Yes they made us pretty much all encounter AoE's, and that sucks. Remember though 50-75% of the mobs in DoF are grp mobs. We haven't lost any of our punch...in fact, looking at some of the parsings i have, i've done 24k damage to an encounter while the wizzy was still wavin his hands. 24k damage is nothing to be upset about. Granted in situations we might have to hold off....but still i'm happy with it. We just need to remember that they are hitting this whole, "everyone needs a niche" thing pretty hard...and being the masters of grp encounters is ours, if we like it nor not.

[sAs-Bartleby]

I stoped playing my warlock with lvl 51. I tested her out after DoF so i went that level and hit now 52 just because somebody ask for help with the spiders in ss. Playing a warlock is boring today. perhaps after LU23 it makes fun, when SOE changes our role another time. I think there were a lot warlocks after LU13 who went to other chars or games. But i am astonished that the numbers of high warlocks is really that big.

[Gandi]

i quit my lvl 50 warlock aswell after the revamp.  Was not impressed with the changes...especially the cast times.

[Nuhus]

I play a Warlock, I think people tend to choose Wizard, I myself enjoy all the rare classes though. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[betterji]

<DIV>major reason there are alot of warlocks is botters tend to have a warlock in their part i have noticed i have walked into feerott/ct and seen 4+ botter warlocks levle 50 or so its really quite sad that the problem is so big</DIV>

[Panad]

I stopped playing EQ2 almost completely, I'm daily thinking about whether or not to cancel, whether I may feel like playing again or not, the changes to warlocks and the feeling of having been cheated didn't help there. Yeah, warlocks post-CC are an interesting class and in theory powerful and we all know we finally got a lot of fixes and our class is not as bad off as we thought pre-CC, still, it's not the class I played all the time pre-CC. I hardly used AoEs etc. - maybe due to my own ignorance, but still, I liked single target spells better. This is not a whine, just my opinion, clear and factual. Other people like the new warlock, that's great, I also like it partially, I just wish I had at least had the choice to change to wizard or something like that, I played my warlock to bout 55.6 but then due to real life short time issues I stopped playing, but at the moment I don't even feel like missing out because I feel no desire to go back to playing. When I get more free time again I'll try to get back ingame, if I'll like it, great, finally again hanging out with my guildies, if not... I'll cancel, it's a hard decision but I don't feel like spending about 15 bucks every month for a game I no longer play nor enjoy. <div></div>

[Rha]

<P>60 Froglok Warlock by the way here </P> <P>and Im/was really happy with the class b4 lu13 and after it </P> <P>this class just ownz  and I give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off the single target spells we had b4 reuse timers are ok too </P> <P>I have a Wiz and a Necromancer too but my favourite is still the Warlock thats pure ownage and a lot more fun like a Necro </P> <P>Wizard sucks like hell I kill every mob faster than any Wizard </P> <P>I really love the Warlocks new path as AE specialist now , I just like to have something like selfevac wizards have </P> <P>but all in all the class is a lot of fun and please stop the whining if u dont agree with the changes play another class or drop th game </P>

[silentpsycho]

[GL] Welcome to the group, Nukey![Nukey] Thanks! Dunno why, but we warlocks sit lfg for a while.[Chanty] Hey, Nukey. Welcome, and no AOE's please.[Nukey] Why is that?[Chanty] Well, my primary job is crowd control. I mez adds and the group focuses on taking down mobs one at a time. It works great, we are going through stuff really quickly that we wouldn't be able to handle otherwise.[Nukey] Um. Ok, whatever.[Tank] Incoming... many...[Chanty] Mezzing %T - you spank it u tank it![Tank] Please assist me on %T!Nukey casts Null Distortion[Tank] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] was that!!![Chanty] OMG OMG OMGChanty has diedNukey has diedHealy has died[Tank] Um, run I guess...Tank has died...WipeYeah, I love being the master of a useless tool.I want a subclass /respec or for SOE to put us back the way we were pre-CU.

[Daivam]

So I don't get it..  The enchanters are constantly complaining that they have no role in EQ2 since all groups utilize AoE Heroic opportunities and skills, meanwhile the Master of AoE is complaining that they don't have a role in EQ2 due to crowd control.. So which is it? <div></div>

[silentpsycho]

<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P>So I don't get it..  The enchanters are constantly complaining that they have no role in EQ2 since all groups utilize AoE Heroic opportunities and skills, meanwhile the Master of AoE is complaining that they don't have a role in EQ2 due to crowd control.. So which is it?</P> <P><BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think a lot of the Warlocks left sitting on the fence would love to know too.  Maybe I played the "end game" of EQ1, where AOE's were taboo, for far too long.  Maybe SOE has a master plan on how to reconcile AOE based classes while including classes who's sole purpose in life seems to be crowd control, or maybe there is no answer and this part of the system is still being figured out.  I do know, though, that when I did my subclass quest 20 some levels ago, if I knew then that SOE was going to make a Warlock an AOE specialist instead of master of DPS that it was at the time, I'd have selected Wizard.  All I really wanted to be was a dark, evil mage that uses poison and disease to dispose of my foes quickly, like advertised at the time...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[enrique_to]

<DIV>Easy, cause warlock subclass is worse than wizzard subclass</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When I chose a Warlock i was thinking Warlock had better DPS and Wizzys had Good DPS and utility Spells</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now we have similar or even worse DPS ratio and still have no utility spells at all.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please. I only say that if there are soo few warlock (most of the sorcerors become WIZZYs) Is cause we are worse than Wizzys.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love my Warlock, I have nice DPS and I'm the king when figthing groups. But... My utility spells SUCKS. I'm just asking for an Utility spell that make us more attractive. Evac, FD, anything usefull. (Pillaging line sucks a lot)</DIV>

[Plague Mast]

<DIV>On clashing of AE and crowd control:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've met some enchanters that mez every mob that the MT is not targeting.  I've also met good enchanters too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You mez the adds, and you mez the second mob of a 2 mob encounter if it is a very tough encounter.  You do not mez three mobs in a four mob encounter when your group is even decently built and the mobs aren't insanely hard for some reason.  It just makes the encounters take too long.  Many classes have some decent AE spells and it is just so much more efficient to use them than to not.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sadly, with the recent changes to the game that make everyone level up super fast, a lot of people still don't understand their limitations, abilities, or efficient strategy even well past level 40.  It used to be that if someone was 40+ you could expect them to have a reasonable amount of skill and knowledge of the game, but not anymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[maddawg138]

<DIV>unless its boundless fury our AE's will NOT hit the mezzed target unless you casted it before the chanter mezzed the mob then and only then will you break a mez as long. Just make sure you are assisting the tank in the group. Only time a chanter in my group would ever mez a target is if it was an add or the healer couldnt keep up for some reason(whether they just plain sucked or died)</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Enchanter also mez then he need refresh charm on his pet  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>About Boundless Fury and Devastation - I am not 100% sure if they brake mez or not, Nil Abs and Dark Nebula definitly dont brake mez... but once again my a reason was active corrupted gift</DIV>

[maddawg138]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Enchanter also mez then he need refresh charm on his pet  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>About Boundless Fury and Devastation - I am not 100% sure if they brake mez or not, Nil Abs and Dark Nebula definitly dont brake mez... but once again my a reason was active corrupted gift</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>devastation only breaks mez if you threw it on before the mez and it started ticking then he tried to mez the target</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also boundless fury is a True AE so doesnt matter if the mob is mezzed or not...if its in the area it will get hit</DIV>

[Tanatus]

PBAE <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> not true AoE <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but you probably right and thanks its good point since PBAE centered onto yourself as direct target considers anything that within 7.5m radius