Dof = no love for casters?

[Maelwy]

<DIV>Been running the instances in DoF for 10 levels now...and am really dissappointed in the loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Theres some DECENT loot, but I havent seen ANY fabled caster gear in any of the instances i've been in.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gotten lots of master chests, loads of tank gear, some scout gear, and healer gear, but nothing fabled for casters?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whats the deal?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyone had different luck, or can you suggest some different areas?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>started out with sanctorium, and cache, now our daily rotation is roost, ancients table, cazel, and poets...  but nothing for us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did we get the short end of the stick again?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Synd]

<P>I got fabled Cuffs of Ethereal Focus in the Silent City.</P> <P>+10 agi +15 int +30 health +50 power +406 divine +406 poison</P>

[Klic]

I have to agree with op as far as fabled gear goes. We did feel the love I think on regular gear though. I have had the velvet cuffs for a while same stats so not much there either.

[gaarder]

there are good things for mages from instance in dof: good rings from roost (not fabled but good int) fabled pants from PP if u complete cave of knowledge assess, reward is also a good int  or wis ring, side quest in CoK also give a 12int bracelet, not too bad <div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Actually I dont agree...</DIV> <DIV>Poet Palace often drop fabled casters gear - elegant velvet chocked for example- imo very decent neck +10agi 15int 30hp 50power 875 total resist</DIV>

[Dart]

Other than SC and the Int belt and couple other tricnkets (Oh and ya Citadel, has 'a' drop? maybe two), I would have to agree there really hasnt been m,uch caster gear dropped in these instances. From the Vault to the Roost, the drops for casters seem nill. Hell Ive seen 4 masters chests in Roost, not one of them had any caster gear, not one. I cant rem the last master chest that dropped a caster item.

[quamdar]

since DOF i have gotten 2 rings with +16 int on them, +12 and +13 int bracelets, 15 int earring, 18 int gloves, 20 int boots, 16 int cowl, 20 int secondary item and a 15 int belt. this isn't even including the +20 int pants, robe and hat that are rare crafted.  we got plenty of loving in my opinion just gotta inspect any mage you see and if they have a nice item ask "hey where did you get that ****" and 9 times out of 10 they will tell you enough that you can get one of your own.  right now with only one fabled item (T5 necklace with +10 int) i am sitting at 412 with my ring buff on that is plenty in my opinion and my mana pool is often well over 5k and with us being able to equip items in the ranged slot things will get even better. <div></div>

[Maelwy]

<P>yes, theres lots of int based gear.  but thats not the point....</P> <P> </P> <P>we're talking about a comparison of fabled loot - i've seen TONS of fabled gear drop....  but only 1 or 2 pieces in tier 6 that is clearly caster gear.  With the change to hand of the godking, thats one LESS piece thats caster oriented.</P> <P> </P> <P>So...back to the topic at hand, (and the obvious problem)  Where is the FABLED Caster gear??</P> <P>With t5 raid mobs, it dropped off a few zones/mobs specifically, but was proportionately less than other  archetypes gear.  This gap has widened in t6 - </P> <P> </P> <P>So - casters who are sick of raiding and instancing to gear up your tanks, note your displeasure here.</P> <P>Casters with results- ie fabled t6 gear, please post your successes so we can get some of that gear flowing!</P> <P> </P>

[Ziffna]

<DIV>Haven't done much raiding in dof yet but in the time i spent raiding the t5 instances i can only think of 1 item that was actually an equipable item that was useful to a caster unfortunitly a priest got it.  Problum is with the design of the equipment gear that normally would be though to be restricted to a cloth wearing caster becomes available to all of the arch types.  Not that i have seen one but say an earing were to drop that had 50 int on it and 10 combat regen everyone on the raid would be after it not because the have any benifit from the int but simply for the effect of the mana regen you see this all the time how back when i was trying my luck at getting the quest starter for the robe of the invoke i seriously doubt if there was more then a a few hours where there wasn't a monk/brawler or priest sitting at the spawn point all after the roi. </DIV>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Maelwys1 wrote:<p>yes, theres lots of int based gear.  but thats not the point....</p> <p>we're talking about a comparison of fabled loot - i've seen TONS of fabled gear drop....  but only 1 or 2 pieces in tier 6 that is clearly caster gear.  With the change to hand of the godking, thats one LESS piece thats caster oriented.</p> <p>So...back to the topic at hand, (and the obvious problem)  Where is the FABLED Caster gear??</p> <p>With t5 raid mobs, it dropped off a few zones/mobs specifically, but was proportionately less than other  archetypes gear.  This gap has widened in t6 - </p> <p>So - casters who are sick of raiding and instancing to gear up your tanks, note your displeasure here.</p> <p>Casters with results- ie fabled t6 gear, please post your successes so we can get some of that gear flowing!</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>So basically your 20int per piece of armor isn't good enough because it doesn't say FABLED and people won't think ur crazy mad uber when they inspect you?</span><div></div>

[Tanatus]

<P>Oki let me explain what person really mean...</P> <P>Lets take T5 fabled cloth armor say Velvet Cuffs (SoL drop) 15int 17str 42hp 48power 315/315 resist (fogot honestly type) compare to T6 fabled analog Cuffs of Etherial Focus well Velvet one win hands down - thats what person had in mind</P> <P>Now take T5 fable cloth pants - Thunderous Pantalons .....compare to T6 fabled from Poet Palace ... well guess what T5 fabled win hands down</P>

[Crono1321]

Last night monolith killed Urzyd the Undying (61 epic x 4) in Living Tombs, he dropped a +22sta +22int and some other badass stats/resists MAGE ONLY cloth helm.  <div></div>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crono1321 wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maelwys1 wrote:<BR> <P>yes, theres lots of int based gear.  but thats not the point....</P> <P> </P> <P>we're talking about a comparison of fabled loot - i've seen TONS of fabled gear drop....  but only 1 or 2 pieces in tier 6 that is clearly caster gear.  With the change to hand of the godking, thats one LESS piece thats caster oriented.</P> <P> </P> <P>So...back to the topic at hand, (and the obvious problem)  Where is the FABLED Caster gear??</P> <P>With t5 raid mobs, it dropped off a few zones/mobs specifically, but was proportionately less than other  archetypes gear.  This gap has widened in t6 -</P> <P> </P> <P>So - casters who are sick of raiding and instancing to gear up your tanks, note your displeasure here.</P> <P>Casters with results- ie fabled t6 gear, please post your successes so we can get some of that gear flowing!</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>So basically your 20int per piece of armor isn't good enough because it doesn't say FABLED and people won't think ur crazy mad uber when they inspect you?<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your saying we should be out farming T6 gear in pickup groups while our guild is raiding... gotcha. Oh and get an invite for an instance to roost, and say 'No thanks, no caster loot, I need to build gear up by doing a quest in PoF for a 15 int earing". Gotcha.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>See I think the poster means this....' We invest the same amount of time on these instances/raids, why shouldnt the loot be more balanced across all the classes". Thats all not asking for the world, just = shot at fabled loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/peace</DIV>

[Maelwy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Crono1321 wrote:</P> <P><SPAN>So basically your 20int per piece of armor isn't good enough because it doesn't say FABLED and people won't think ur crazy mad uber when they inspect you?<BR></P></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your saying we should be out farming T6 gear in pickup groups while our guild is raiding... gotcha. Oh and get an invite for an instance to roost, and say 'No thanks, no caster loot, I need to build gear up by doing a quest in PoF for a 15 int earing". Gotcha.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>See I think the poster means this....' We invest the same amount of time on these instances/raids, why shouldnt the loot be more balanced across all the classes". Thats all not asking for the world, just = shot at fabled loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/peace</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>thanks for a correct interpretation darton -</P> <P>if anything on the instances, its like 5-10 pieces of tank gear to every possible piece of caster gear - </P> <P>now this would be close to a proper ratio if our groups are made up of 5 plate tanks and 1 caster.  Duh, it's not.</P> <P> </P> <P>Most of my groups are 1 plate tank, 1 healer, and me -   as the core group - we then add another caster, a scout, or melee dps, and possibly another healer.</P> <P>go...thats at least 2/6 of the group who can ONLY wear vla, and str, sta, agi stats are essentially worthless for.    Now...i tend to group with furies and defilers....so thats 2 more that cant wear plate.  oh, and that scout...no luck with plate eiher.</P> <P>see what i'm getting at?</P> <P> </P> <P>you end up with well equipped fabled to the teats tanks....  and  the rest of the group is underequipped.  did we put in any less effort on instance run a or b than a plate tank?  Nope.    But the drops are plentiful for the tanks, and to a lesser amount, healers and scouts. </P> <P>But the casters....we're busy questing for t6 quest gear in between raids and instances so that we can get rid of gear we got at level 40</P> <P> </P>

[Nerga]

<DIV>Plenty of nice caster loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>True not as many as heavier equip (surly not as many as for druids in DoF <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) but there are quite alot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dont forget only mages use VLA thats the reason its alot more rare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent City drops MANY 15+int items ,alot more rare now but still drops.The 20int boots there also have 3power/tick regen now too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent CIty X2 and X4 trash and named eye mobs now drop some nice loot too for all classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The faction X4 mobs droped a 22int (iirc) ring.Same for Lockjaw.And plenty more around.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As we know and the Dev's said,loot is still being worked on and they changed loot tables recently and said they will changed them more soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So either be paitent or quit <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nergall wrote:<BR> <DIV>Plenty of nice caster loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>True not as many as heavier equip (surly not as many as for druids in DoF <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) but there are quite alot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dont forget only mages use VLA thats the reason its alot more rare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent City drops MANY 15+int items ,alot more rare now but still drops.The 20int boots there also have 3power/tick regen now too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent CIty X2 and X4 trash and named eye mobs now drop some nice loot too for all classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The faction X4 mobs droped a 22int (iirc) ring.Same for Lockjaw.And plenty more around.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As we know and the Dev's said,loot is still being worked on and they changed loot tables recently and said they will changed them more soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So either be paitent or quit <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I hope your right and the devs are looking into this. I just know the majority of the riads/instances I partake in so rarely drop int gear its silly. This shouldnt be the case. I did get myself the belt out of Silent city, (nice one too) but its a time vested thing. If you spend = amount of time as the tank playing a DPS role, why shouldnt the loot drop as much for casters as that said tank, pretty simple really.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now let me say one thing: I played a guard to 50, tanked for many crux raids (pickup raid channel for our server), as well as my guild raids, I played him to 50. Played my Warlock to 58 after that. NOT ONCE have I seen a robe drop off a master chest, No once. I can prolly count all of the int items on both hands for all of the riads/instances I have killed. Thats in near 12 months of playing release and 2 in beta. That is not equal.</P> <P> </P>

[Nerga]

<DIV>You just had bad luck,noestly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mages in my old guild had MANY MANY INT items.All from T5 raid mobs.And like I stated new loot is apearing and is quite nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent City had and still have much more then the belt ,I will parse the stats off the top of my head so not acurate:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shoulders 15int ,belt 15int ,ring 16int, cuffs 15int,boots 20int + regen.I think there were some pants too not sure though.</DIV> <DIV>The fact they arent all labeled fable dosent mean much,even better less expensive to repair <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Killing the faction mobs is EASY and will get you a very nice ring.Shouldnt be a prob for you to get it.</DIV> <DIV>Lockjaw can drop a ring or a GREAT earing with 10int and regen. (got some other drops too so might take a while though)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just hit the right targets.I do admit that I dont like  how narrow the DoF mob loot table is like roost which is basicly tank loot.And poet used to be like 2 drops per mob,but seem to improved lately.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Darton wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Crono1321 wrote:<span> <blockquote> <hr> Maelwys1 wrote: <p>yes, theres lots of int based gear.  but thats not the point....</p> <p>we're talking about a comparison of fabled loot - i've seen TONS of fabled gear drop....  but only 1 or 2 pieces in tier 6 that is clearly caster gear.  With the change to hand of the godking, thats one LESS piece thats caster oriented.</p> <p>So...back to the topic at hand, (and the obvious problem)  Where is the FABLED Caster gear??</p> <p>With t5 raid mobs, it dropped off a few zones/mobs specifically, but was proportionately less than other  archetypes gear.  This gap has widened in t6 -</p> <p>So - casters who are sick of raiding and instancing to gear up your tanks, note your displeasure here.</p> <p>Casters with results- ie fabled t6 gear, please post your successes so we can get some of that gear flowing!</p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>So basically your 20int per piece of armor isn't good enough because it doesn't say FABLED and people won't think ur crazy mad uber when they inspect you?</span> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>So your saying we should be out farming T6 gear in pickup groups while our guild is raiding... gotcha. Oh and get an invite for an instance to roost, and say 'No thanks, no caster loot, I need to build gear up by doing a quest in PoF for a 15 int earing". Gotcha.</div> <div> </div> <div>See I think the poster means this....' We invest the same amount of time on these instances/raids, why shouldnt the loot be more balanced across all the classes". Thats all not asking for the world, just = shot at fabled loot.</div> <div> </div> <div>/peace</div><hr></blockquote>So basically...[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] where did I even say any of that crap?  HI welcome to english class learn something today!!!  ^_^ KKTHX</span><div></div>

[Crono1321]

This should pretty much end the whining about caster gear.  This was gained after 3 hours of raiding.  I won the orb and other guildmates won the other two.  Grats Monolith on Steamfont for representing the #1 guild on the server. <img src="http://www.floridadrift.com/oss/Chronic/EQ2_000155.jpg">

[Maelwy]

<DIV>I'd use the orb, possibly.  But the loss of the wisdom means overall more damage from caster mobs,  unless they are divine damage.  so its not bad situational gear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Empyreal ring might be nice for an sk/pally  but a pearl int ring is better for overall wear.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>bracelet of the dead is not bad for a scout, but most scouts are after str now, not agi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so again deathcab, have you really done your homework?  you're throwing out decent gear, but you haven't once shown that you get the big picture here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>casters gear on the fabled loot tables is sorely missing.  The gear that could have possibly been usefull for a caster like the hand of the god king, has been tweaked to our detriment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if you're so happy with your non fabled gear, great.  but it's not the point of the thread, and it's not supporting the cause of getting teh devs to re-evaluate caster drops.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nerga]

<P>Can you plz [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]?? </P> <P> </P> <P>Learn the game then come back. Gear is ok and its getting better all the time.Stop whining and start to know what the hell you do insted of just crying all day long.</P>

[Crono1321]

<P>**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:14 PM</span>

[Nerga]

<DIV>Although I didnt agreed with Crono on many things he is right here.</DIV> <DIV>This is great gear ,and that is exacly the gear I talked about when I said new SC loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes DoF was realesed too soon and had many <A href="mailto:f@ckups" target=_blank>f@ckups</A>  but they fix it,not fast enough IMO but when do actuayl do something give them credit insted of having ridicoulas comments.</DIV>

[Dart]

<P>Crono you missed my point. I was pointing out that if 'a' plate tank and 'a' caster are in a  group doing Roost for example. There should be equal types of loot for ALL classes across the board and not 75% or more of it drop as plate gear. There have been several raids that I have been on where this is the case.  You could very well be right that some of the riad content that I havent experienced yet does drop more caster gear, but from 25 to 55 level ish raids that hasnt been the case.</P> <P>My point is while a plate tank can gear up on many of these instances/raids, a caster cannot (agian in my experience). Sure my elaboration was a bit sarcastic, but it still shows what I was trying to get across. Thanks for the many personal attacks, it shows your true color. I hope you dont lose any sleep over this.</P> <P>Now  do your self a favor and chill the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out.  kk thanks dweeb</P>

[Dart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nergall wrote:<BR> <DIV>You just had bad luck,noestly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mages in my old guild had MANY MANY INT items.All from T5 raid mobs.And like I stated new loot is apearing and is quite nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silent City had and still have much more then the belt ,I will parse the stats off the top of my head so not acurate:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shoulders 15int ,belt 15int ,ring 16int, cuffs 15int,boots 20int + regen.I think there were some pants too not sure though.</DIV> <DIV>The fact they arent all labeled fable dosent mean much,even better less expensive to repair <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Killing the faction mobs is EASY and will get you a very nice ring.Shouldnt be a prob for you to get it.</DIV> <DIV>Lockjaw can drop a ring or a GREAT earing with 10int and regen. (got some other drops too so might take a while though)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just hit the right targets.I do admit that I dont like  how narrow the DoF mob loot table is like roost which is basicly tank loot.And poet used to be like 2 drops per mob,but seem to improved lately.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Just trying to undertand what you mean by bad luck, is it the instances Im in or the raids im doing or the luck of the draw. Ive cleared Vaul/Cache/Roost prolly 15 to 20 or more on each of these. Not One caster item from any of them. I must have some real bad luck(</DIV>

[Crono1321]

Well I haven't seen any tank loot drop in Silent City.  Different stuff is allowed to drop in different zones...poopypants. <div></div>

[Crono1321]

I dont' know how I forgot to list this piece, seeing as we looted it the night before we got the loot pictured above.  Please take notice to the Purple letting below the name. <img src="http://myweb.nmu.edu/%7Ejtasson/screenshots/circlet.jpg">

[Robsco]

<P>Silent city is the place to be for Caster Gear.</P> <P>Now I am not whining but I mainly see plate and chain in the game. I have seen about 20 plus master chests since release and not one VLA Fabled in it yet or jewelery with int.</P> <P>However if your worried about INT then I suggest getting a player crafted Hat, Pants, Robe...  Thats 60 int right their. then get a Pearl ring and Imbued... thats another 32 int. From their do the 18 int gloves quest in SC. then the 20 Int tome in Poets Palace. </P> <P>Kill webclaw a few time and get the 15 int belt, Beast tamer for 16 in Shoulder, Do the x2 mob quest for the 17 int boots in Clefts. Buy yourself a pearl orb for a secondary. Kill dozar a few times for the 16 int ring, do the Muse quest for 16 int ring in SC.</P> <P>I can go on and on. I do wish I Can get hands on one fabled VLA =) The Int cap is 440 at level 60 and with all that gear you can get it not to hard.</P> <P>Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont.</P>

[Robsco]

<P> </P> <P>Oh forgot about the 15 int earing at swiftriders camp quest. Very easy to get as well.</P> <P>Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont.</P>

[XBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Robsco wrote:<BR> <P> </P> <P>Oh forgot about the 15 int earing at swiftriders camp quest. Very easy to get as well.</P> <P>Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can you give us enough info to look up that quest? Name of the item, quest giver, or name of quest, any one will do.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Deathspell]

Sergeant Tuskin in POF gives quest "Scouting and Stingers" (killing some scorpions) and the reward is the Hoop of Flames earring. <div></div>

[XBr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>Sergeant Tuskin in POF gives quest "Scouting and Stingers" (killing some scorpions) and the reward is the Hoop of Flames earring.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks!