Netherous Realm - Myths and Facts

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Since we had quete a hot discussion about dots I decide to test NR to see how this spell work excatly....</DIV> <DIV>Test object lvl 60 warlock with Adept 3 T6 and M1 T5 offence. For practical purpose I picked a green conned mobs that can damage me triggering Nihilism goes yet weak enouth so I can tank em - so I went and brutalize Maj'Dul city guards</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oki here is a results:</DIV> <DIV>Decription of spell state - "Then target damaged, spell cast Invinitive Void inflicting 350-470 damage on target".... - MYTH. In reality you should read then target <STRONG><U>directly</U></STRONG> damaged ..... In other words Dots, Debuffs, Roots, Damage Sheilds have no what so ever effect on proc of Netherous realm what does this mean?</DIV> <DIV>Anarchice Maelstorm - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR. No matter what you do cast NR first then hit target with AM or pull target with AM wait till AM almost ready to refresh self and then cast NR... it will not do any good.</DIV> <DIV>Roots - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - but they shouldn't anyway </DIV> <DIV>DOTs -<STRONG> DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - I have tried 10 time each devastation, scrouge of night, shadowed pyre, dark investation</DIV> <DIV>Damage Sheilds - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - I let green conned guard beat me up for good 3 or 4 min so poor sob almost suicide on my Nihilism ... NR did not went off at all</DIV> <DIV>Forein nukes - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - in other words - nukes from Broodling do not trigger NR</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now what DO trigger NR .... well obviously same things that do trigger Aura of Emptiness - direct damage spells ONLY (AE or single target doesnt matter)</DIV> <DIV>Dark Nebula, Nil Absolution, Nul Distortion, Soul Blister, Thwart, IceFlame, <U>Tongue Twist</U>!., Vulian Intrusion - do trigger NR off </DIV>

[Max122]

<DIV>Myth buddy the broodlings do trigger NR and it is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] nice when they do seen it first hand alot of times do a little better research on that.  Plus any other poison DD from any group member will trigger it.  But yes dots/debuffs wont do it.</DIV>

[Kalel]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since we had quete a hot discussion about dots I decide to test NR to see how this spell work excatly....</DIV> <DIV>Test object lvl 60 warlock with Adept 3 T6 and M1 T5 offence. For practical purpose I picked a green conned mobs that can damage me triggering Nihilism goes yet weak enouth so I can tank em - so I went and brutalize Maj'Dul city guards</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oki here is a results:</DIV> <DIV>Decription of spell state - "Then target damaged, spell cast Invinitive Void inflicting 350-470 damage on target".... - MYTH. In reality you should read then target <STRONG><U>directly</U></STRONG> damaged ..... In other words Dots, Debuffs, Roots, Damage Sheilds have no what so ever effect on proc of Netherous realm what does this mean?</DIV> <DIV>Anarchice Maelstorm - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR. No matter what you do cast NR first then hit target with AM or pull target with AM wait till AM almost ready to refresh self and then cast NR... it will not do any good.</DIV> <DIV>Roots - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - but they shouldn't anyway </DIV> <DIV>DOTs -<STRONG> DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - I have tried 10 time each devastation, scrouge of night, shadowed pyre, dark investation</DIV> <DIV>Damage Sheilds - <STRONG>DO NOT</STRONG> trigger NR - I let green conned guard beat me up for good 3 or 4 min so poor sob almost suicide on my Nihilism ... NR did not went off at all</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4><STRONG>Forein nukes - DO NOT trigger NR - in other words - nukes from Broodling do not trigger NR</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now what DO trigger NR .... well obviously same things that do trigger Aura of Emptiness - direct damage spells ONLY (AE or single target doesnt matter)</DIV> <DIV>Dark Nebula, Nil Absolution, Nul Distortion, Soul Blister, Thwart, IceFlame, <U>Tongue Twist</U>!., Vulian Intrusion - do trigger NR off </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong. Anyone with Poison nukes in your group will proc off Netherous Realm. Broodlings <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG><EM><U>DO</U></EM></STRONG></FONT> proc Netherous Realm<BR></DIV>

[Max122]

<DIV>Yeah just to add to that when its up a poison icon appears in your name box and all other group members.  Screws with the healers at first have to tell them its me and not to attempt a cure lol.  Just seeing it on everyone should make it obvious enough that any group member can trigger it.</DIV>

[Nerga]

<DIV>Again Kal is right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was the first 60 on my server so I showed a friend warlock NR.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well thing is you get assigned the dmg from his trigger.That why you missed it when you parsed it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any poison based DD attack will trigger it and will assign the dmg to you,point blank.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The spell is mostly for soloing/named mob/some last  chance full out burst.In all other cases you get retarted hate.Well I do since I have like all my dots ticking + blister or null + aura trigger + NR trigger = almost chaing ice comet for a few secs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So cool spell in theory but pretty resricated in usage unless you get some serious hate transfer off you.</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<P>I repeat that after today test I am pretty confident</P> <P>a) DOT not trigger NR </P> <P>b) broodlings DD not trigger NR </P> <P>Dont trust me - go test it yourself. Broodling themself do 150-270 X3 (since its always 3 broodling) every 3s - yes thats a lot BUT it have nothing to do with NR proc its not goes off....</P> <P>Please note: I haven't mentioned other ppl poinson attacks since it was not purpose of my study. My purpose was prove that Nergal is wrong and DOTs do not trigger NR which I succefully did</P>

[Kalel]

<DIV>.... Tan doesnt believe anything anyone says so I guess we have to prove it to him. /sigh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1129853290)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:10 2005] YOUR Dark Infestation hits a dervish croc hunter for 303 points of poison damage.<BR>(1129853290)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:10 2005] You channel netherous energy.<BR>(1129853290)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:10 2005] You are gripped by netherous energy<BR>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 203 points of poison damage</STRONG></FONT>.<BR>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] dark broodling was interrupted!<BR>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] dark broodling was interrupted!<BR>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 439 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(1129853292)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:12 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853293)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:13 2005] YOUR Dark Infestation hits a dervish croc hunter for 319 points of poison damage.<BR>(1129853294)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:14 2005] A dervish croc hunter regains composure.<BR>(1129853294)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:14 2005] a dervish croc hunter tries to pierce YOU, but misses.<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 251 points of poison damage</STRONG></FONT>.<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 399 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 206 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 372 points of poison damage.</STRONG></FONT><BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 174 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 394 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(1129853295)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:15 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853296)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:16 2005] a dervish croc hunter tries to pierce YOU, but misses.<BR>(1129853296)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:16 2005] YOUR Dark Infestation hits a dervish croc hunter for 298 points of poison damage.<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 216 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 406 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 175 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 386 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 241 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005]<FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG> YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 370 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(112985329<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Thu Oct 20 19:08:18 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853299)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:19 2005] a dervish croc hunter tries to pierce YOU, but misses.<BR>(1129853300)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:20 2005] YOUR Dark Infestation hits a dervish croc hunter for 313 points of poison damage.<BR>(1129853301)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:21 2005] a dervish croc hunter tries to pierce YOU, but misses.<BR>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 200 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005]<FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG> YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 427 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] Netherous energy cascades over A dervish croc hunter!<BR>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] A dervish croc hunter is wracked with pain!<BR>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>dark broodling's Touch of Evil hits a dervish croc hunter for 173 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005]<FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG> YOUR Nether Void hits a dervish croc hunter for 418 points of poison damage.<BR></STRONG></FONT>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] A dervish croc hunter is no longer affected by the darkness.<BR>(1129853302)[Thu Oct 20 19:08:22 2005] You have killed a dervish croc hunter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Nerga]

<DIV>What the? I dont remember saying it trigggers it,and I say it now it DONT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you read me saying that you misunderstood or maybe I typed too fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only direct dmg tirgger it not including the initial tick of any dot.No doubts or arguments about this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sigh...</DIV>

[Crono1321]

Blahhhhhh Nice damage on NR.<p>Message Edited by Crono1321 on <span class=date_text>10-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 PM</span>

[Keitho]

So I was raiding like 2 days ago. Some Silent City action the small x2 mobs down in there. Group ones. I can tank them pretty easy. As long as healers are ready to switch healing to me when I get agro. Sooo. So I wanted to full out dps a set and hcekc DPS. I casted Corrupt gift. Then added Netherous Realm. Over Ventrillo I hear [expletive haxx0red by Raiscript] is this. Whats on us. As we stood there before pull. Find out when I casted Netherous Realm it casted on WHOLE raid. Dunno if it could have been a bug atm or what, but a nice poisen proc to everyone is pretty cool. Decent utility there for the classes that do use poisen for damage.

[Max122]

<DIV>Yeah its definetly the whole group will have to look again at its description to see if its raid wide or not in description I just cant remember.  But if it is or isnt supposed but does that makes our damage even more impressive then on raids.</DIV>

[Keitho]

<DIV>Its def raid wide..but it if it actually works raid...dunno... other then that  it makes us more utility..yay :/</DIV>

[Crono1321]

It's just like the FURY line, anything in range is affected by it, just like Corrupt Gift.

[Heart's Rage]

<P>Here's a few facts that may help you understand the spell a little more, I applaud any Warlock that uses it everytime its up because this is your most powerful spell.. yet the most dangerous too.</P> <P>First think of this spell as a plague, When you use this spell everything around you is infected, grouped or not, and everything around them is infected grouped or not... In theory if you lined up 100 people across the zone and you casted it at the end of the line it will travel to the other and, it is contagious, dunno the limit of how far it travles, but from my experiance it effects a well spread out raid.</P> <P>Second of all you should know this is an out of group spell, which means it will effect anyone around you, when your dueling someone and cast it it will effect the person your dueling too. Do not know if it effects a mob or not, I am too lazy to find a mob that would make use of it and test it.</P> <P>Finally The reason it does not effect Devestation or some of you DoT's is because this spell is poison based, Devestation is Disease based, you are wrong about it not effecting your AE's tho Dark Nebula and Nil Absolution go hand in hand with this spell and if your not carefull your gonna draw aggro lol. Also try using Soul Blister, Aura of Emptiness and Null Distortion. Works well with this spell.</P> <P>What the spell actually does is add 311 to 380 extra damage to very <FONT color=#ff0000>Poison </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>spell cast by anyone, It does help Nethros and you broodlings too. Howeverit does not work with the fury line and i dont know why. </FONT></P> <DIV>~ Cosmic Warlock of the 60th Plague</DIV> <DIV>    Permafrost server ~ Iconoclast</DIV><p>Message Edited by Heart's Rage on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:51 AM</span>

[pharacyde]

Nicely put. I hope it doesn't affect the mob <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Kalel]

Devastation is NOT disease based.

[Tanatus]

Yep Devastation listed as a poison ... yet what I am telling is Dev still sometime stick on mobs that nearly poison immune that's all, Dark Investation stick practically always

[Crono1321]

Everytime I use this spell in groups the other 5 people sing THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] IS BANANAS <div></div>

[Tanatus]

<P>Well lol now its happens I have become the proud owner and server discovery Netherous Realm Master 1 </P> <P>At 436 int 456-556 same 53 power to cast 53 every 5s. Dropped in Poet Palace</P>

[Kalel]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <P>Well lol now its happens I have become the proud owner and server discovery Netherous Realm Master 1 </P> <P>At 436 int 456-556 same 53 power to cast 53 every 5s. Dropped in Poet Palace</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It doesnt matter because you have no idea what procs it :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>I already feel envy ... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kalel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR> <DIV>I already feel envy ... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not from me. More like pity.

[Crono1321]

I just can't stress enough how cool this spell is with netheros, dark broodlings, and multiple warlocks out!  the 400's just pop up about every second over the mobs head.  I'm so glad this is going away with LU 16!!!!!!!! <div></div>

[Eyes_of_Truth]

<P>How is it going away? they changing the spell or something? im only47 but this was something i was really looking forward too...</P> <P>Toodles!</P>

[Kalel]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eyes_of_Truth wrote:<BR> <P>How is it going away? they changing the spell or something? im only47 but this was something i was really looking forward too...</P> <P>Toodles!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><EM>- Netherous Realm now pulsates 1 trigger every 5 seconds instead of an unlimited amount.</EM><BR></DIV>

[Eyes_of_Truth]

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] = (