Just an observation

[Fyzzl]

<DIV>This LU's  "fixes" to warlocks are very minor, this is good and bad.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why good - The dev's feel like we are balanced. Even if we all think we are still screwed up in several areas, they think warlocks are ok. This means no sweeping nerf are incoming!  Why Bad  casue we are not ever gonna be the class we thought we were going to be. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are what we are , an AoE class that has a limited raid value on the primary target. We are the flamethrower of EQ2, dump the mana and die so the raid team wins.   Even  watch the old WWII flicks where the marines are burning out the holes in the pacific  isles. Who was the first guy in the squad to die? the flame thrower! but he took out  tons before he went down!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In groups, as long as you dont  have a mezing chanter we are the bomb! I love the comments  from groups that have never seen a warlock let lose on a group of targets. Half of them never even get thier swords out before every single mob is  down! I personaly love it when  you see the OMG  or dam n!  after an encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If we concentrate on  getting  a few important things fixed  ( ie casting time on at least one line,  AOE targeting ie  you target is already dead and some balance tween poison and disease)  We will be a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]  fine class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fyzzl</DIV> <DIV>A Proud member of the Agro [Removed for Content] of Norrath</DIV> <DIV>Chater member of Over Nukers Annon</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[StonyStratford]

<DIV>The devs have said recently that we are going to be toned down a bit...</DIV>

[vorek]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StonyStratford wrote:<BR> <DIV>The devs have said recently that we are going to be toned down a bit...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nice rumor throw....</P> <P> </P> <P>NO LINK = YOU STINK</P> <P> </P> <P>all BS....devs have said no such thing</P>

[V4n]

"Tone us down a bit" and I am gone, sorry. There are so many other classes that can do many more things (heal, utility, tank, single target damage) so much better than us.  We are relegated to a narrow sub-category of DPS.  Being so narrow, we better be awesome at it! I think our AoE should be bumped up, not reduced. We really aren't that much ahead of some other classes in AoE as it is.  Furies for example can do >1500 damage per mob in AoE, and about the same as us in DD.  Either give us better AoEs, or give us some heal spells!

[TheSlashman]

<P>I don't understand why some warlock's say we are not a good class for raids.  I understand we don't have the over all killer DD nuke,  but it does nice damage.  2k+, Deter does up to 1200 damage,  you can still cast an aoe like devastation on a raid mob and let it tick? or am I wrong?  We also have a lot of small dots that really help if you have adept 3 versions,  a couple spells that I have just started using (im level 56), is the asmya (sp) fury.  I use it on solo encounters all the time with wicked gift.  Shadow prye is another small dot to use while your waiting on the timer for your DD.  So I am a little confused by the comments about not being raid capable.  Don't start feeding the masses by stating warlock's are weak for a raid, otherwise we will be on the sidelines.  I played with several wizards and stay really close to them on damage against solo mobs.  I will use devastation on solo name mob and also use DD/dots.  For all the kids too, "don't say that these wizards are noobs, etc etc, because I have played with a bunch of wizzies.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[StonyStratford]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vorek wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StonyStratford wrote:<BR> <DIV>The devs have said recently that we are going to be toned down a bit...</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nice rumor throw....</P> <P> </P> <P>NO LINK = YOU STINK</P> <P> </P> <P>all BS....devs have said no such thing</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><A href="http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1" target=_blank>http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1</A></P> <P>taken from the last community meeting:</P> <P> </P> <P>"For myself, I asked Lockeye if they were satisfied that the classes were where they needed to be and he stated no sweeping changes will need to be made. The only thing I heard that might be in the nerf pipe was the chain rooting (50 second root with a 6 second recast) you mages are enjoying and that AE nukes damage might be tweaked back. Gallenite assured us that any classes (like Warlock) that had an advantage were only seeing a small percentage of additional speed in killing allowing them to level only slightly faster."</P> <P> </P> <P>Sounds to me like a tweaking back on AE is a Warlock nerf.</P> <P>NO LINK = JUST LAZY!</P> <P>So I raise your BS call on an apology <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Magiocracy]

<span><blockquote><hr>StonyStratford wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> vorek wrote: <blockquote> <hr> StonyStratford wrote: <div>The devs have said recently that we are going to be toned down a bit...</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Nice rumor throw....</p> <p>NO LINK = YOU STINK</p> <p>all BS....devs have said no such thing</p> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1" target="_blank">http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1</a></p> <p>taken from the last community meeting:</p> <p>"For myself, I asked Lockeye if they were satisfied that the classes were where they needed to be and he stated no sweeping changes will need to be made. The only thing I heard that might be in the nerf pipe was the chain rooting (50 second root with a 6 second recast) you mages are enjoying and that AE nukes damage might be tweaked back. Gallenite assured us that any classes (like Warlock) that had an advantage were only seeing a small percentage of additional speed in killing allowing them to level only slightly faster."</p> <p>Sounds to me like a tweaking back on AE is a Warlock nerf.</p> <p>NO LINK = JUST LAZY!</p> <p>So I raise your BS call on an apology <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Actually personally I'm more concerned about any potential changes to roots rather than a potential reduction in AE damage. I'd bet that root stacking will be the first thing to go (and hopefully the only thing) - but if the recast on our roots is set higher than the duration then we are royally screwed.</span><div></div>

[vorek]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StonyStratford wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><A href="http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1" target=_blank>http://boards.stratics.com/php-bin/eq2/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=14828&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1</A></P> <P>taken from the last community meeting:</P> <P> </P> <P>"For myself, I asked Lockeye if they were satisfied that the classes were where they needed to be and he stated no sweeping changes will need to be made. The only thing I heard that <FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>might</FONT> be in the nerf pipe was the chain rooting (50 second root with a 6 second recast) you mages are enjoying and that AE nukes damage <FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>might</FONT> be tweaked back. Gallenite assured us that any classes (like Warlock) that had an advantage were only seeing a small percentage of additional speed in killing allowing them to level only slightly faster."<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>And I see your chicken little post and raise you an even bigger BS call!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is NOTHING in that says we are going to get toned down a bit. It does say that they MIGHT look at it and the MIGHT do something about it. Your statement was:</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>StonyStratford wrote:<BR></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>The devs have said recently that we are going to be toned down a bit...</FONT></DIV><BR>And it was TOTAL SPECULATION intended to cause a panic...nothing more.</DIV>

[V4n]

Agree - no panic please. The OP over-stated the certainty of the issue, but it is an issue of concern with some real basis. It is also fair to express feedback and to substantiate why we ought to be toned up or toned down in advance of the potential changes.

[Kalel]

Root stacking should go but thats all they should do. Affecting the recast on our roots would not help anything if the roots dont stack anymore.