Just me or does our 59 and 60 spells just put the icing on the cake?

[threat111]

<DIV>Id like to start out by saying I am a 60 warlock on everfrost.  The new changes really sucked and took time to get used to.  Nerfed the debuffs, stuns, ect.  As i broke thru the levels i started to see the light thinking this isnt so bad.  I crossed 55 and though not bad spell (null caress) can see alot of use in this.  Things started to taper off and i landed 58 and got those 3 adept3's.  Ok these arent to bad still havent fully determined how nice netherous rhealm is.  Then 59..  The spell itself is one i rarely used in the passed out side of a long range pulling spell it dont have much use in my  rotation.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok Then 60.  Im not even going to talk about the fact we got ONE spell for completing the grind.  Lets talk about The spell itself.  Wicked Gift.  Do i not understand the use of this spell or does it suck as bad as i think.  Please if you see some real use for our "Grats you're 60 but you are no better off then you where at 55" spell please tell me.   Personally id rather have had them give me Demon form and walked aroun looking like netherous, at least this way i have SOMETHING that is cool if not usefull, at least entertaining.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know its early, I know SOE would rather deliver a half-ready poorly tested product early, then one that was acually ready when they boxed it.  Been there done that, got the t-shirt.  But, to look me square in the face and tell me that these 2 spells are what i leveled for is an insult to me and all of you that play warlocks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There going to need to do better then that to keep people interested.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sinvictus Noctorious</DIV> <DIV>60 Warlock</DIV>

[Max122]

<DIV>So you are saying you dont use wicked gift much at all then.  I agree with the 59 spell dont use it much but man wicked gift just owns atm cause of our debuff.  However this also makes us very dead on raids the debuff is triggering all procs on us.</DIV>

[OneBadAli]

Go look at the craaptastic spells wizards get at 59 and 60.

[Nere]

<P>My advice would be to add the spell to your rotation and see what happens. Use it between debuff and nuking.</P> <P>I dismissed wicked gift and didnt even have it on my hotbar because I thought it was worthless.</P> <P>I was wrong.</P>

[AN63LUS]

I agree. I love wicked gift. I think it is an awesome spell. But I have to agree with the original poster in that is the only spell we get at 60? That is a little frustrating. It is a VERY situational spell. I also noticed alot of other classes got some really good spells at 60. So a little frustrating in light of that. Netheros form would be awesome!

[Nerga]

<DIV>Malestorm procs gift?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just tried this now after reading it with no luck.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone can give more details plz?</DIV>

[TheBladesCaress]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ashes2Flames wrote:<div></div> <p>My advice would be to add the spell to your rotation and see what happens. Use it between debuff and nuking.</p> <p>I dismissed wicked gift and didnt even have it on my hotbar because I thought it was worthless.</p> <p>I was wrong.</p><hr></blockquote>Agree.  If you arent using Wicked Gift, you dont know how much dmg you are missing.... Scenario.... 5 mobs in group (all numbers averages). Wicked Gift Chaotic Maelstrom + WG Proc (5x80) = 400 Devastation (750x5x5) + WG Proc (5x5x80) = 20750 CM Procs from Dev (3x5x80) = 1200 Nil Absolution (1900x5) + WG Proc (5x5x80) = 11500 CM Procs from NA (3x5x80) = 1200 Dark Neblula (900x5) + WG Proc(5x5x80) = 6500 Total = 32700 + 8800 from WG So Wicked Gift added 27% damage.  That's why I try to keep 100 Nil Crystals in my pack at all times.... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If I added an Aura of Darkness after WG, I would get 800x3+3x5x80 = 3600 extra Now if you can make friends with a Troubador or an Illusionist, Wicked Gift becomes even better (too good in fact).</span><div></div>

[Max122]

<DIV>Nergal everytime that maelstrom coughs or spreads through the encounter it will proc any damage proc like wicked gift that anyone has on.  So you have to get it to cough first once it coughs once and it is on the entire encounter then a hit on any mob can inturn make it cough again.  Now add this to a raid situation at the current moment.  You got 24 people in the raid which of 15+ are casting on a mob I believe also that nihilsm will make maelstrom cough as well as poisons on rogues/predators.  This makes wicked gift or the ice one the wizards have go nuts for the warlock.  Also troubs and illusionists have a form but theres doesnt proc 100% of the time i dont believe.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One group in Spirits the other day I had the debuff in casted deva once and nil absolution once with a few single target nukes as well.  Then the wizard tried his ice version of wicked gift and needless to say maelstrom was pretty much spreading throughout the encounter non stop.  I didnt cast at all the rest of the fight I alerted the healers that I was procing like crazy I got all the aggro lucky mobs died soon after and they kept me alive.  I did over 100k damage with like 3000+ dps and next closest was not even at 20k damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All in all though this spell as it is rocks for grouping however in raids wicked gift and those like it make it so we cannot use our debuff or we get instant aggro and instant death.  They need to fix it I think so that any damage spell will proc it not just any spell.  That would put it in good balance and make it useful to use in raids (Wicked Gift that is)  later on in the fight to help burn them down.</DIV>

[Mandaloran]

<P>Max, I had the same thing in spirits on Saturday.  Wicked, CM line, Deva, and maybe one other nuke on one of the golem pulls.  112k damage and 5800 dps in a group with wizard and bard. Just have to be VERY carefull because if the encounter doesnt die ina bout 15 sec, you are road kill.</P> <P> </P> <P>Mandoblast</P> <P>58warlock</P> <P>Drow, Unrest</P>

[Kalel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Max122 wrote:<BR> <DIV>So you are saying you dont use wicked gift much at all then. <STRONG><FONT size=4><FONT color=#ffff00> I agree with the 59 spell dont use it much</FONT> </FONT></STRONG>but man wicked gift just owns atm cause of our debuff.  However this also makes us very dead on raids the debuff is triggering all procs on us.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You dont use your best fast cast DoT? This should be a mainstay for dmg on single targets. </DIV>

[V4n]

<div></div>OK, explain to me why I should be excited about our level 59 "fast cast DoT"?   Compared to the level 45 spell it upgrades, It does maybe an extra 30 damage every 3 seconds? So "Ding 59, you now can do an extra 10 dps".  Yay. For me, the lack of decent spells 53-60 is really disheartening.  Developing my character has always been a big reason for me to play both EQ1 and EQ2.  I looked forward to the expansion as a way to continue that, but at level 52+ it looks like another dead end already. <p>Message Edited by V4nce on <span class=date_text>10-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:37 PM</span>

[Kalel]

<DIV>I was mentioning it because they said they hardly ever cast it. You should be casting this DoT every fight.I didnt ask you to be excited. </DIV>

[Ziffna]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBladesCaress wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ashes2Flames wrote:<BR> <P>My advice would be to add the spell to your rotation and see what happens. Use it between debuff and nuking.</P> <P>I dismissed wicked gift and didnt even have it on my hotbar because I thought it was worthless.</P> <P>I was wrong.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Agree.  If you arent using Wicked Gift, you dont know how much dmg you are missing....<BR><BR>Scenario.... 5 mobs in group (all numbers averages).<BR><BR>Wicked Gift<BR>Chaotic Maelstrom + WG Proc (5x80) = 400<BR>Devastation (750x5x5) + WG Proc (5x5x80) = 20750<BR>CM Procs from Dev (3x5x80) = 1200<BR>Nil Absolution (1900x5) + WG Proc (5x5x80) = 11500<BR>CM Procs from NA (3x5x80) = 1200<BR>Dark Neblula (900x5) + WG Proc(5x5x80) = 6500<BR><BR>Total = 32700 + 8800 from WG<BR><BR>So Wicked Gift added 27% damage.  That's why I try to keep 100 Nil Crystals in my pack at all times.... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>If I added an Aura of Darkness after WG, I would get 800x3+3x5x80 = 3600 extra<BR><BR>Now if you can make friends with a Troubador or an Illusionist, Wicked Gift becomes even better (too good in fact).<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No offence but your using an entirely optimal idea of how this spell works yes it does do E-aoe damage when a target is hit by a poison based spell but there is only a chance that sony covienently left the % blank for that the encounter proc on the plus side i have seen much better then what you have listed because each mob that is hit by damage has a chance to proc the aoe affect which concivably means that with nil absolution you could have 5 mobs hit by you aoe and each of them Could proc wicked gift which is would damage the encounter assuming five mobs that would be 5x80 on each mob in the encounter.   Personally like using wicked gift on raids with large numbers of adds like the anvilpaw instance at the end you have lots of adds spawning wicked gift with our fury PBAoE is evil because all of the mobs in all of the encounters start procing wicked gift the big problum is i never have enough mana from the small amount of mana each proc uses because it's procing soo much<BR></DIV>

[Mailvaltar]

<P>Sorry Blades and Ziffnabb, you're both not quite correct.</P> <P> </P> <P>No, it has no %-chance, it <STRONG>does</STRONG> proc every time it's triggered.</P> <P><STRONG>But</STRONG>: it <STRONG>doesn't</STRONG> proc on DoT-ticks, only on the initial blast! And I'm quite sure Chaotic maelstrom doesn't trigger the proc either.</P> <P> </P> <P>Still, it's a great spell imho, adds a lot of damage while fighting against groups.</P> <P>But I agree, there has to be more reward than that for reaching 60.</P>