New resist changes for Raid mobs.

[Kalel]

<DIV>Sony will be changing up the resist factors for all raid mobs coming in the next couple months. With that they noted that no class would not be able to do some sort of dmg. Their thinking is that if a mob is resistant to Fire then it wouldnt be resistant to ice, or Resistant to Poison but not to Disease.. etc etc.. Therein lies the problem. Warlocks are only blessed with 1 type of dmg, Poison. Period. Thats the end of our dmg story. If the mob resists poison completely then we are screwed. This change will work nicely for wizards and its a long time coming but there needs to be something addressed with Warlocks. We need some Disease based dmg spells. As of right now there is no dmg spell we have that isnt poison besides, Ice flame and the Flashfreeze line. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the DoT's should be disease and the single target nukes should be poison or vice versa. Maybe Sony will make it to where other types of dmg are completely resisted and poison is only dropped is effectiveness on certain mobs and not completely immune. Either way I hope sony takes this into acct. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peace.</DIV>

[Collectall3]

<DIV>Yeah I read that some where also I seriously hope they take a look at our spells before they do this we cannot be effective on a Poison immune mob the only Ice flame and the Flashfreeze spell line. </DIV>

[Zarquon]

<P>Maybe we could get a radiating spell, like Wicked Gift or Netheros Realm, that converts poison damage to disease damage. Come up against a poison reistant/immunte mob, slap this on, and blammo! no more resists.</P> <P>BTW, Word of Force (Splitpaw spell) is also magic based, so its another to add that we could cast against poison resistant/immune mobs.</P>Toksick Spill<BR>54 Warlock<BR>Disciples of Evil, Crushbone<BR>

[BaronVonPitviper]

<P>Word of Force, last time I checked it did 200 some odd points and shared a timer with Soul Flay. Well with a % chance for another 200. I'll have to recheck it tonight when I get home. I'm not ok with stellar 400 points a shot on a raid mob.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Erow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kalel22 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sony will be changing up the resist factors for all raid mobs coming in the next couple months. With that they noted that no class would not be able to do some sort of dmg. Their thinking is that if a mob is resistant to Fire then it wouldnt be resistant to ice, or Resistant to Poison but not to Disease.. etc etc.. Therein lies the problem. Warlocks are only blessed with 1 type of dmg, Poison. Period. Thats the end of our dmg story. If the mob resists poison completely then we are screwed. This change will work nicely for wizards and its a long time coming but there needs to be something addressed with Warlocks. We need some Disease based dmg spells. As of right now there is no dmg spell we have that isnt poison besides, Ice flame and the Flashfreeze line. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the DoT's should be disease and the single target nukes should be poison or vice versa. Maybe Sony will make it to where other types of dmg are completely resisted and poison is only dropped is effectiveness on certain mobs and not completely immune. Either way I hope sony takes this into acct. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peace.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Kalabus,  Have you ever seen the movie "War games".. when the WOPR computer is about to launch all the nuclear missle and Prof Falcon ask the computer to play Tic-Tac-Toe.. and it does repeatedly to find a strategy for winning. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>The answere was not to play.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>Do you really think SOE knows what they are doing..?  Do you really think they care ..?   We tested DoF beta together,  so I know you read the same Warlock beta threads as me and there were REPEATED threads asking why Warlocks only have 1 type of damage.  We received no answer from SOE and there is no answer now.  Coincidentally, SOE is still trying to fix EQ2 and admit themselves thats it broke.  Thus, they are still revamping the game and will miss the fact Warlocks have only 1 type of damage and they will screw it up .... BECAUSE they don't have a clue and are inept..!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>EQ2 is flawed in so many ways and I've learned to over come them just to play the game and see the boring content.  Just take the touted game cover itself... Good Vs Evil.   Yet, the game doesnt even play the way one would simply imagine or how SOE portrays the game.  The flaws are too numerious to list but here are a few:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-I'm an Evil Gnome Warlock and cannot even attack Quenosian guards..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Why can I group with my enimy... if there not an enimy then why is there a betrayel quest..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Where are the secret invisible walls, pit or traps..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-How come there is no lore on broken Wizard Spires</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Where is levitate..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-How come Sorcerer's Familiars offer no benifit... such as lowered resist..etc</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-How come the game world is so entirely small</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-why is there zoning..?  It's 2005 and newer technology is available, why didn't SOE go that route..? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Why are dungeons so utterly SMALL..? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Where are the guild halls..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>-Why can uber guilds (Emerald Flame/Ascendance) have cloaks/caps with their guild emblem on it..?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>We've been sold short on EQ2 and it's a failure IMO. There are several MMORPG's in development and they already have a "real" world that you can travel with seemlessly... and not have to instance share a zone like Cazic to kill Ven or Rognog. (SOE was too lazy to make a seperate zone) . <A href="http://dnlweekly.stumpsonline.net/?page_id=12" target=_blank>Dark & Light </A>comes out next month and I am sure that game will have it's own set of shortcommings, but at least Guilds will be able to build their own Houses and there will be a WORLD to explore not a click fest at the boat docks. Hell, in <A href="http://www.vanguardsoh.com/" target=_blank>Vanguard </A>players will own their own boats.. !</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>The answere was not to play EQ2.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>I will not give SOE any more money.. the expansion pack (DoF) is an utter let down.. the lore and feel of it doesn't even tie into the rest of the game. Fractured lands... we are supppose to be seeking out what happened to our homelands... ie Ak'anon, Felwithe, Grobb, Halas,,,etc.  Wizard spires and travel to these new lands would be the natural progression towards getting to and freeing the rest of your peoples.  Not soem Desert that in no way looks like or geographically correct to the real deserst of Ro.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff>I have grown contempt of SOE after standing back from the game and realizing what it offers.  Hell, Dark age of Camelot is better than SOE attempt with EQ2. Then looking at whats comming down the pipe (<A href="http://www.vanguardsoh.com/" target=_blank>Vanguard</A> and <A href="http://dnlweekly.stumpsonline.net/?page_id=12" target=_blank>Dark & Light</A>) It's hard to get interested in such a broken and clueless game as Everquest 2.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </DIV><BR> <p>Message Edited by Erowid on <span class=date_text>10-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:36 AM</span>

[Kalel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zarquon wrote:<BR> <P>Maybe we could get a radiating spell, like Wicked Gift or Netheros Realm, that converts poison damage to disease damage. Come up against a poison reistant/immunte mob, slap this on, and blammo! no more resists.</P> <P>BTW, Word of Force (Splitpaw spell) is also magic based, so its another to add that we could cast against poison resistant/immune mobs.</P>Toksick Spill<BR>54 Warlock<BR>Disciples of Evil, Crushbone<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>... </P> <P>come on yo. Every mage class in the game has access to word of force. I didnt mention it because there is no need to mention such a terribly low dmg spell with relation to a raid mob. Pre-combat changes I was chaining Ice spike, Word of force, Freezing Whorl, and the Distortion lines (over 60% resisted) on Venekor. This should never be the case on a raid mob. This is the point. If the only spell I have to dmg a raid mob is 200 dmg then Im gonna bring my GRD or Necro. <BR></P>

[tiki-jiki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Erowid wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Kalel22 wrote: <div>Sony will be changing up the resist factors for all raid mobs coming in the next couple months. With that they noted that no class would not be able to do some sort of dmg. Their thinking is that if a mob is resistant to Fire then it wouldnt be resistant to ice, or Resistant to Poison but not to Disease.. etc etc.. Therein lies the problem. Warlocks are only blessed with 1 type of dmg, Poison. Period. Thats the end of our dmg story. If the mob resists poison completely then we are screwed. This change will work nicely for wizards and its a long time coming but there needs to be something addressed with Warlocks. We need some Disease based dmg spells. As of right now there is no dmg spell we have that isnt poison besides, Ice flame and the Flashfreeze line. </div> <div> </div> <div>I think the DoT's should be disease and the single target nukes should be poison or vice versa. Maybe Sony will make it to where other types of dmg are completely resisted and poison is only dropped is effectiveness on certain mobs and not completely immune. Either way I hope sony takes this into acct. </div> <div> </div> <div>Peace.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <div><font color="#33ccff">Kalabus,  Have you ever seen the movie "War games".. when the WOPR computer is about to launch all the nuclear missle and Prof Falcon ask the computer to play Tic-Tac-Toe.. and it does repeatedly to find a strategy for winning. </font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">The answere was not to play.</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">Do you really think SOE knows what they are doing..?  Do you really think they care ..?   We tested DoF beta together,  so I know you read the same Warlock beta threads as me and there were REPEATED threads asking why Warlocks only have 1 type of damage.  We received no answer from SOE and there is no answer now.  Coincidentally, SOE is still trying to fix EQ2 and admit themselves thats it broke.  Thus, they are still revamping the game and will miss the fact Warlocks have only 1 type of damage and they will screw it up .... BECAUSE they don't have a clue and are inept..!</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">EQ2 is flawed in so many ways and I've learned to over come them just to play the game and see the boring content.  Just take the touted game cover itself... Good Vs Evil.   Yet, the game doesnt even play the way one would simply imagine or how SOE portrays the game.  The flaws are too numerious to list but here are a few:</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-I'm an Evil Gnome Warlock and cannot even attack Quenosian guards..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Why can I group with my enimy... if there not an enimy then why is there a betrayel quest..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Where are the secret invisible walls, pit or traps..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-How come there is no lore on broken Wizard Spires</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Where is levitate..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-How come Sorcerer's Familiars offer no benifit... such as lowered resist..etc</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-How come the game world is so entirely small</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-why is there zoning..?  It's 2005 and newer technology is available, why didn't SOE go that route..? </font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Why are dungeons so utterly SMALL..? </font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Where are the guild halls..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff">-Why can uber guilds (Emerald Flame/Ascendance) have cloaks/caps with their guild emblem on it..?</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">We've been sold short on EQ2 and it's a failure IMO. There are several MMORPG's in development and they already have a "real" world that you can travel with seemlessly... and not have to instance share a zone like Cazic to kill Ven or Rognog. (SOE was too lazy to make a seperate zone) . <a href="http://dnlweekly.stumpsonline.net/?page_id=12" target="_blank">Dark & Light </a>comes out next month and I am sure that game will have it's own set of shortcommings, but at least Guilds will be able to build their own Houses and there will be a WORLD to explore not a click fest at the boat docks. Hell, in <a href="http://www.vanguardsoh.com/" target="_blank">Vanguard </a>players will own their own boats.. !</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">The answere was not to play EQ2.</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">I will not give SOE any more money.. the expansion pack (DoF) is an utter let down.. the lore and feel of it doesn't even tie into the rest of the game. Fractured lands... we are supppose to be seeking out what happened to our homelands... ie Ak'anon, Felwithe, Grobb, Halas,,,etc.  Wizard spires and travel to these new lands would be the natural progression towards getting to and freeing the rest of your peoples.  Not soem Desert that in no way looks like or geographically correct to the real deserst of Ro.</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div><font color="#33ccff">I have grown contempt of SOE after standing back from the game and realizing what it offers.  Hell, Dark age of Camelot is better than SOE attempt with EQ2. Then looking at whats comming down the pipe (<a href="http://www.vanguardsoh.com/" target="_blank">Vanguard</a> and <a href="http://dnlweekly.stumpsonline.net/?page_id=12" target="_blank">Dark & Light</a>) It's hard to get interested in such a broken and clueless game as Everquest 2.</font></div> <div><font color="#33ccff"></font> </div> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Erowid on <span class="date_text">10-04-2005</span> <span class="time_text">10:36 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Can i have your stuff?</span><div></div>

[Zarquon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kalel22 wrote:<BR> <P>come on yo. Every mage class in the game has access to word of force. I didnt mention it because there is no need to mention such a terribly low dmg spell with relation to a raid mob. Pre-combat changes I was chaining Ice spike, Word of force, Freezing Whorl, and the Distortion lines (over 60% resisted) on Venekor. This should never be the case on a raid mob. This is the point. If the only spell I have to dmg a raid mob is 200 dmg then Im gonna bring my GRD or Necro. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Alls I was saying that in the current state of things, if you want to supply any sort of damage on a poison immune mob, that you had three spells at your disposal, not two.  The recast on Word of Force is a fraction of that of Ice Flame or Deter/Thwart (3 secs vs. 30 secs).  So, all in all, in 30 seconds, if I was chain casting Word of Force, Ice Flame, and Deter/Thwart and the other warlock in the guild was casting only Ice Flame and Deter/Thwart, who has more DPS?</P> <P>I was in no way suggesting that this spell alone made the current state of things OKAY in any way.  I was just saying that if you want to GET BY until things change, then there was an additional option.</P> <P>Grats on 60, BTW, Kal.<BR></P>

[Victicu]

<P>netherous also supplies a small amout of non-poison dmg... although his poison spells still get resisted... his melee works... and mages can melee also now... its pitiful but some dmg is better than none... just find a proc'ing weapon</P> <P>and now that i'm thinking about it get an imbued wand also</P> <P>still its all pitiful dmg on a poison immune mob... </P>

[Kalel]

Yea I wont be melee'ing a raid mob that has a random AoE that will surely kill me in one shot. But yea, those imbued nuke sticks will be nice for such a situation.

[MilkToa]

<P>I was thinking the same thing when I saw the post about changing resists. I was hoping it meant that nothing would be immune to poison since it's are only real damage type :smileysurprised:</P> <P> </P>

[Kreu]

<DIV>The mobs that are invulnerable to a certain magic type also will nuke/proc with that magic type. Classes that cast one type of damage spell, ie Poison or disease, Should also have the far and away best group/raid resist buff for that type. So when we get into a situation where we cant nuke the mob we are still the needed because of our ability to protect the raid with our buffs. </DIV>

[Kalel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kreuz2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>The mobs that are invulnerable to a certain magic type also will nuke/proc with that magic type. Classes that cast one type of damage spell, ie Poison or disease, Should also have the far and away best group/raid resist buff for that type. So when we get into a situation where we cant nuke the mob we are still the needed because of our ability to protect the raid with our buffs. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No sir. The devs were quoted that no class should be unable to do dmg to any raid mob. Dmg meaning not using low lvl BS spells to do weaksauce dmg. That theory is silly anyway. A toon there solely for buffs is stupid.

[Splatterpunk28]

<P>This has been on the boards for a year now.  I did feedback in beta originally, live, beta again and live...they are very aware of the problem and it just is not a priority.</P> <P>Maybe if they actually implement these changes they are talking about it will become a priority.  Then, maybe not.</P> <P>It was rather embarrassing in old world raid mobs to cast our T2 spells....</P>

[Kalel]

That was the reason for my original post Splatterpunk. They are going to change them. It was discussed at the round table discussions at the Summit. Expect these changes very soon. Most with LU14. We shall see how they work the poison dmg.<p>Message Edited by Kalel22 on <span class=date_text>10-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:12 PM</span>

[Ziffna]

Personally find it funny that while warlocks are listed as poison/disease based the only spells that we have that are not poison based are ice based something that we have no ablity to debuff.

[Weekst]

<P>Well we do have freezing whorl which reduces cold/heat resistance but it's minimal.</P> <P>But yes I agree we need some disease line spells since we debuff it greatly and are listed as using both disease/poison.</P> <P>Arioch</P> <P>Mistmoore</P> <P> </P>

[Victicu]

<P>heh found something new on raids last night...</P> <P>get grouped with a troub... make sure he has his dmg proc song on...</P> <P>on poison immunes its hard but you can land Chaotic Maestrom on them.</P> <P>once maestrom is on them it will keep refreshing itself spamming the bard proc for massive amounts of mental damage, i was pulling aggro with just one cast of maestrom... was very fun to watch...my best was 57 procs in one encounter.</P>

[Kalel]

..... Inc nerf to Aria of Exaltation. I noticed this too. That spell is uber just for spell dmg component. idk if it should be procing off ANY cast on the mob though. Maelstrom isnt supposed to proc on anything but your dmg, so thats a bug too.

[TheLo]

Easy solution to this, make the Soul Flay lines Disease based, and Keep the distortion line poison based. DN line Disease based and Dev, NA line poison. Simple aint it? Solves the 2 damage lines problem. <div></div>

[TheLo]

Btw Aria also procs off wicked gift which procs multiple times on the mob. so if you have a 5 member group pulled. Wicked Gift will proc 5 times when you cast Abysmal Fury. So 6 procs of it whenever you cast Wicked gift : ). <div></div>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Victicus7 wrote:<p>heh found something new on raids last night...</p> <p>get grouped with a troub... make sure he has his dmg proc song on...</p> <p>on poison immunes its hard but you can land Chaotic Maestrom on them.</p> <p>once maestrom is on them it will keep refreshing itself spamming the bard proc for massive amounts of mental damage, i was pulling aggro with just one cast of maestrom... was very fun to watch...my best was 57 procs in one encounter.</p> <div></div><hr> Please delete this post...we know what it does and we don't want it NERFED because people thinking multiple procs are overpowered.  </blockquote></span><div></div>

[Kalel]

lol you realize that even if he deletes the post it wont be deleted in your post.

[TheDigitalDiamo]

<P>[Removed for Content].. Shhh :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P>*Edits and adds*</P> <P> </P> <P>Didn't they fully remove mitigation from mobs?  I'd agree in implimenting some form of immunities but it's definately obvious that Warlocks are shortchanged in variety.</P><p>Message Edited by TheDigitalDiamond on <span class=date_text>10-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:59 AM</span>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kalel22 wrote:lol you realize that even if he deletes the post it wont be deleted in your post. <div></div><hr></blockquote>HARHAR you realize I have an edit button too?  WINNER</span><div></div>

[Kalel]

<P>Yes sir. But your making it worse by having that info in 2 places :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>