See what damage a Warlock complaining about Wizards is doing to both classes

[Alfgand]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=61467&view=by_date_ascending&page=1" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=61467&view=by_date_ascending&page=1</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have got read this thread started by a Warlock with no brains. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(I do not mean to be insulting Warlocks as a whole) :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><U>This is exactly why neither Sorcerer class should call for a nerf of the other, it is now turned into a nerf Wizard and Warlock</U> <U>thread.</U></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have always said and still maintain that as goes one Sorcerer class so goes the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I never called for nerfing of the Warlock class before revamp, simply equality in DPS with both being at the top. If there are issues where Warlocks are not equal to Wizards in DPS, I support their actions to gain equality although not superority.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Both classes must get to understand that we sink or swim together.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alfgand Stormraven, Wizard level 50</DIV> <DIV>Pernicious Deathraven, Warlock level 26</DIV><p>Message Edited by Alfgand on <span class=date_text>09-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:12 AM</span>

[Araxes]

Agreed.  Now can we stop beating this dead horse? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Leatherneck]

<P>Good luck with that.  Most gamers aren't smart enough to figure things out.</P> <P>You see it in the EQ forums.  Clerics complain about how uber druids are.  Druids complain about how uber Shaman are.  Shaman complain about how uber Clerics are.  They end up tearing each other down instead of arguing to get themselves built up.</P> <P>You see it in the SW:G forums.  All the Jedi Disciplines complain about how uber the other disciplines are compared to them.  Jedi are great at getting their own profession nerfed.  Usually they pick a discipline's ability and gripe, whine and complain until it gets nerfed.  Then they pick another Jedi ability and gripe whine and complain until it gets nerfed.</P> <P>Gamers are, generally speaking, the biggest bunch of whiny crybabies who aren't smart enough to see that they're cutting their own throat that I've ever seen.  I have friends that play every class in the game.  There's absolutely no way I could face myself in the morning if I acted like a spoiled brat and threw a temper tantrum on the boards and got a friend/guildmate nerfed.  That's beyond selfish.</P>

[rant]

Ummmmm. Where in the thread did the OP ever say he was a warlock? His post says he is a 51 guardian. Please don't cry warlock so fast.

[Alfgand]

Elsewhere in the thread it states he is a Warlock, maybe that is wrong. If so apologies but this type of thread still needs squashing from both houses. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Warden complaining about his DPS compared to Warlock & Wizard really sent me over the edge. lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[MilkToa]

As I've already commented in the linked thread, this guy is an idiot and hasn't the faintest idea what the hell he's talking about. I assume he's either delusional or is just trying to stir up trouble.

[rant]

<DIV>I definately agree that the linked post is complete BS. There is no way to take out a heroic group in one hit. Just don't want the warlock vs wizard thing to happen.</DIV><p>Message Edited by rantun on <span class=date_text>09-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:16 PM</span>

[Alfgand]

<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <P>I definately agree that the linked post is complete BS. There is no way to take out a heroic group in one hit. Just don't want the warlock vs wizard thing to happen.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Agreed, but what I see happening is a Them vs (Wizard/Warlock) thing.</P> <P>Its obivious to us that we wear pajamas to battle but "they" don't understand that. They just see the DPS not the pools of blood that were once Sorcerers.</P><p>Message Edited by Alfgand on <span class=date_text>09-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:21 PM</span>

[Kablammo1961]

<P>YAY! 52 Wizard here</P> <P>It is good to see us pulling for the same cause. I also do not want a nerf to Warlocks or Wizards. I posted a bunch on this thread, but it is the same old idiots crying because a tank or healer are jealous of our big nukes. We lost our root, their class envy knows no bounds.</P> <P>Warlocks are still slightly more powerful than Wizards, except on single targets (which I think is perfect). On multiple targets you guys are AMAZING, and I think that is way cool, please dont change it. I love the combat change as it currently is, I feel valued as a wizard, and my good friend a 53 Warlock is as always wanted and needed in group situations. Heh we just need to be vigilant and call the obvious Male Cow Feces exactly what it is.</P> <P>Wizards and Warlocks fighting together for TEH WIN!!11!!!</P> <P>Kablammo Suddendeath</P> <DIV>52 Wizard </DIV> <DIV>Nomads Blackburrow</DIV>

[sveppir]

Seems to me that one class or another has to do the most damage.. everyone knew for a long time it was warlock first wizard second... What is the problem with that is what i always wondered.  Play what you want and don't worry about what your neighbor is doing, and just know that flourescent lights use less power than incandescent, go buy which ever bulb you like more and dont expect that to change. What sucks is when people [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] and moan and want the basic foundation to change, then the whole structure gets wobbly and is based on BS and that is when crap tends to fall apart. <div></div>

[Andre]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kablammo1961 wrote:<BR> <P>YAY! 52 Wizard here</P> <P>It is good to see us pulling for the same cause. I also do not want a nerf to Warlocks or Wizards. I posted a bunch on this thread, but it is the same old idiots crying because a tank or healer are jealous of our big nukes. We lost our root, their class envy knows no bounds.</P> <P>Warlocks are still slightly more powerful than Wizards, except on single targets (which I think is perfect). On multiple targets you guys are AMAZING, and I think that is way cool, <FONT color=#ff3333>please dont change it. I love the combat</FONT> change as it currently is, I feel valued as a wizard, and my good friend a 53 Warlock is as always wanted and needed in group situations. Heh we just need to be vigilant and call the obvious Male Cow Feces exactly what it is.</P> <P>Wizards and Warlocks fighting together for TEH WIN!!11!!!</P> <P>Kablammo Suddendeath</P> <DIV><FONT color=#ff6666>52 Wizard</FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Nomads Blackburrow</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I love it almost like warden comlaining that his DPS are subpar to sourcer. Every wizard happy with changes and comes to warlcvoks boards where almost every warlock is unhappy and struggled from changes and trying to pacify them. Warlocks are NOT happy and they think it is not COOL dieng constantly and not be able to solo effectiv ( nt to mention wuzards easy solo heroics and warlocks not)</P> <P>I have yet to see wizards loosing mana like warlocks and getting 3-4 interrupts traing to cast ONE single god damned spell.<BR></P>

[massem]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>I have yet to see wizards loosing mana like warlocks and getting 3-4 interrupts traing to cast ONE single god damned spell.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Wizard/warlock damage spells match almost identically in terms of damage and mana consumption.  The only spell that differs significantly is the lvl 50 spells Devastaion/Ice Comet. These do same samage on two target, more for a wizard on a single target and more for a Warlock on 3 or more targets. Otherwise, we should have the same DPS more or less. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When it comes to power efficiency, the difference is that before combat revamp warlocks was 2-3 times more power  efficient than wizards, and while nothing much changed for wizards warlocks got a huge nerf so that the classes are now on the same level. Wizard power feeds were nerfed so they are now equal to Warlocks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also it seems that the new raid content in DoF no longer has som many cold/ice immune mobs so Wizards will no longer be useless as DPS on raids. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>If you want to whine and try to get other classes nerfed why turn to your Wizard brothers and not for example Rangers who do the same DPS as us, wear chain and use half the power to do so ? </DIV></DIV>

[Andre]

<P>I'm wine no to get wizards nerfed but to get warlocks fixed ( read repowered, with reduced timers on spells ). But what bother me wihtout any limit, it some wizards who comes here and start explain me how great my class is no matter all problems we have, becuase they are at all not problems but only advantages. :smileymad:</P> <P>At time we will be even with our brothers wizards we went together in other holy war against chainwearers , lol .</P> <P>Until this Scouts could use all exploits they have and get killed everything they will . :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P> </P>

[TheSlashman]

I like changes, except my single target is not as deadly.  One thing I don't understand is the assassin class. They outdamage us totally on single mobs.  Some hit with assassinate for 4K+.  [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is that all about?  Invis, evac, better armor and same damage output?

[CelticDrui]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leatherneck wrote:<BR> <P>Good luck with that.  Most gamers aren't smart enough to figure things out.</P> <P>You see it in the EQ forums.  Clerics complain about how uber druids are.  Druids complain about how uber Shaman are.  Shaman complain about how uber Clerics are.  They end up tearing each other down instead of arguing to get themselves built up.</P> <P>You see it in the SW:G forums.  All the Jedi Disciplines complain about how uber the other disciplines are compared to them.  Jedi are great at getting their own profession nerfed.  Usually they pick a discipline's ability and gripe, whine and complain until it gets nerfed.  Then they pick another Jedi ability and gripe whine and complain until it gets nerfed.</P> <P>Gamers are, generally speaking, the biggest bunch of whiny crybabies who aren't smart enough to see that they're cutting their own throat that I've ever seen.  I have friends that play every class in the game.  There's absolutely no way I could face myself in the morning if I acted like a spoiled brat and threw a temper tantrum on the boards and got a friend/guildmate nerfed.  That's beyond selfish.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>/nod Agreed, it's not the end of the world, none of the classes suck completely, so it's just as someone else said, "beating a dead horse."</DIV>

[Andre]

<P>Sure no one class suck comletely if you not play one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>There just classes that should be even but are miles from each other because of wrong implementation. And this suck!</P> <P> </P>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Andre Z wrote:<p>Sure no one class suck comletely if you not play one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <p>There just classes that should be even but are miles from each other because of wrong implementation. And this suck!</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Last time I checked, you don't tell me what to think.  I love the combat changes for warlocks.  The only thing I do not like is the difficulty to hit orange mobs.</span><div></div>

[jaythedogg]

<span><blockquote><hr>rantun wrote:Ummmmm. Where in the thread did the OP ever say he was a warlock? His post says he is a 51 guardian. Please don't cry warlock so fast. <div></div><hr></blockquote>What? OP is a 50 wiz & a 26 Warlock.</span><div></div>

[Arrowheart]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jaythedogg wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rantun wrote:<BR>Ummmmm. Where in the thread did the OP ever say he was a warlock? His post says he is a 51 guardian. Please don't cry warlock so fast. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>What? OP is a 50 wiz & a 26 Warlock.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>The OP of this thread is a 50 wiz and 26 warlock, Rantun was referring to where the OP of this thread made the comment that it was a brainless warlock who made the comments on the thread linked above by this OP, which if you follow the link and read thru the mess you will see the OP of the linked thread claims to be a 51 guardian and there the only mention of the OP (of the linked thread) being a warlock was by an uninformed wizard (<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=37498" target=_blank><SPAN>Tar~Palantir</SPAN></A>) who jumped to the conclusion that its naturally a warlock that wants all wizards nerfed.</DIV>

[dreadfa]

<DIV>I've seen a few more of these threads popping up lately, this is quite obviously ridiculous. Sure we do more damage than a guardian, he has a sword, we have the power of death and decay, or the elements for wizards. He has a suit of plate mail armour, we have dunny paper.</DIV> <DIV> People saying that we're one shotting heroic mobs quite obviously don't understand that our biggest hit is a AE DoT.</DIV> <DIV>I'll admit I'm doing ok, but the only flagged for heroics group i have a shot against are the big groups of mixed / and no arrow mobs, and only the pure melee ones at that, like the big groups of raptors, but if two things go wrong, vulian intrusion being my oh god it broke root spell, i'm dead, no questions asked.</DIV> <DIV> I doubt that it was a warlock in that post, save wizards themselves, we know more of what wizards can do and can obviously see that it's a pile of steaming...</DIV> <DIV>Guardians may be broken, so what does this one do? ask for a fix of his class?, no that would be stupid, why do that when you can get someone else nerfed?</DIV> <DIV> Quite bluntly I don't care who out dps's us. I enjoy my toon despite the changes, maybe coz i hit 50 just after they came in, so I don't know what the lvl 50 spells were like before. I'm in a good guild (finally), i can solo groups of down arrows quickly enough that heroic groups really don't appeal to me, and it isn't without risk either, one resist > chain stun > respawn and find my shard. If someone else does it better, so what I'm having fun, but to come on the forums and call for a nerf to a class they obviously know nothing about is nothing more than the insecurities of someone who was formerly god and now isn't.</DIV> <DIV> Advice to these idiots, keep calling for nerfs if you want but if you get what you want, ALL dps classes will be worth nothing, because once we get nerfed the focus of your whining will then undoubtedly switch to scouts, bruisers anyone that isn't you, and it will be YOU getting smeared by the raid mobs because suddenly the damage you take for granted while you hold that raid mob's agro will no longer be there, healers will run out of power and you will die, over and over again, bringing us back to the point of probably having another combat update, and the whole sick twisted malicious cycle will start all over again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On a different subject, if you want a good duo, get a cleric or a troub, both rock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skrp 52 warlock rodent of qeynos, proud member of Legacy, kithicor server</DIV><p>Message Edited by dreadfang on <span class=date_text>10-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:00 AM</span>