AoE and Mez, please help... I have a head ache

[themysterious]

Hoowdy all, I am looking for a clear answer preferable from people who actually use warlock AoEs. I have a level 29 warlock who has recently started grouping regularly, and I keep getting told that AoEs are evil because they break mez. I have looked through 20 or so threads to try find out wether this is true or not, and the result is just a major headache. The question(s): Do warlock AoEs break mez? Do some warlcok AoEs break mez? <div></div>

[maddawg138]

<P>if you throw an AOE that has a DoT effect on it and hit all the mobs...then the chanter decides to mez a target while the dot is still goin off...that is the only time any of our AOE's will break a mez from my experience</P>

[themysterious]

Thanks <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[Xtremeeeee]

<DIV>Well all mez's break as soon as ANY damage inflicted on the target. If there are 5 mobs in a group and the chanter mez's 4 of them and everyone attacks 1 of them, as soon as you do ANY type of damage AoE all will become unmezzed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope this helps.</DIV>

[Dae]

If the chanter has mezzed 4 out of 5 mobs and you cast an encounter AE (green background) on the unmezzed one it will simply not hit the mezzed mobs. If you cast that same AE directly at a mezzed mob it will break that mez but not the others. There are some AE's that are not restricted to encounters (eg. new version of suffocating cloud line) and these will break hit any mob in their area of effect regardless of whether they're mezzed or not. <div></div>

[Ingra]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999>This seems to be a contaversial question.  There are two people who believe that if you AE after the mobs are mezzed you wont break the mez.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999>In my experience in a very small group with an enchanter if I did an AE all the mobs broke mezz.   That was long before I hit level 50 so I'm not sure if the higher level AE's have some special 'no mezz breakin' attribute.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV>

[Strade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ingrata wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999>This seems to be a contaversial question.  There are two people who believe that if you AE after the mobs are mezzed you wont break the mez.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999>In my experience in a very small group with an enchanter if I did an AE all the mobs broke mezz.   That was long before I hit level 50 so I'm not sure if the higher level AE's have some special 'no mezz breakin' attribute.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#999999></FONT> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well what ive read is that AoE have been fixed to not break Mezz. Don't know if its true.</DIV>

[Fepp]

My experience is that AoE nukes dont break mez - because they dont hit the mob. <div></div>

[Splatterpunk28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Daerv wrote:<BR>If the chanter has mezzed 4 out of 5 mobs and you cast an encounter AE (green background) on the unmezzed one it will simply not hit the mezzed mobs. If you cast that same AE directly at a mezzed mob it will break that mez but not the others. There are some AE's that are not restricted to encounters (eg. new version of suffocating cloud line) and these will break hit any mob in their area of effect regardless of whether they're mezzed or not.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This is the correct answer.  There's nothing to debate.  I tested all my AoE spells when I received them with a friend coercer and this has always held true. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quite simply if the spell icon has a green background (this indicates it is encounter only), it will not break a mezzed mob.  If it's an AoE dot, and you cast it and a chanter tries to mezz on the same mob(s) before your dot is done ticking, then yes it will break mezz.  If you target a mezzed mob and dot it, nuke it or AoE it, it will break mezz on that mob only.  Devastation does not have a green background, but it should, as it acts the same way.  PBAoE's have red backgrounds and they will break mezz, but we don't currently even have any so that's for other classes to worry about.</DIV>

[Nimington]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> themysteriousne wrote:<BR>Hoowdy all, I am looking for a clear answer preferable from people who actually use warlock AoEs.<BR><BR>I have a level 29 warlock who has recently started grouping regularly, and I keep getting told that AoEs are evil because they break mez. I have looked through 20 or so threads to try find out wether this is true or not, and the result is just a major headache.<BR><BR>The question(s):<BR><BR>Do warlock AoEs break mez?<BR><BR>Do some warlcok AoEs break mez?<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Something to remember, next time someone tells you not to aoe, remind them 2 things.  One, you only hit a single encounter, thus you'll only be hurting the stuff the tank should be taunting w/ his aoe taunt.  Second, if you do your damage instead of letting the annoying Enchanter mez mobs INSIDE the same encounter the tank is fighting, stuff will die ALOT faster!  Now to emphasize, let the enchanter mez true 'adds' ie stuff that didnt come as the first encounter and joined in. (basically anything not linked to the mob the tank is on).  Frankly just get bossy about it, tell them to let you go and stuff will die fast enough to compensate for the lil extra work the healer will have to do over 1 minute, instead of fighting for 5 minutes.</P> <P>--</P> <P>Crinisen the Wandering Cheese Merchant<BR></P>

[kildarn]

<P>As a tank, healer, and warlock I have to disagree with the above statement.  It is very situational on what it is better for you to just burn down rather then have a chanter mez.  5 mobs with down arrows all in one group that con blue to the tank and yourself?  Sure, you can burn them down.  2 mobs with one ^ that con yellow to the tank and yourself?  No you don't want to be blasting on both of them.  It's much more power efficient for the group to have one of those mezzed.  The key there is power efficient for the group, not for you alone.</P> <P>Generally, yes a chanter is there to mezz adds.  True adds in the sense of a mob that is not part of the encounter the tank is currently fighting.  However, depending on what the group consists of, what mobs you are fighting, and how quick the warlock can burn mobs down all factors into whether the enchanter should be mezzing adds within the given encounter.  If it's a decent group, fighting somewhat difficult mobs and the people are intelligent, you should have the ability to test both ways and see which is more efficient.  Then go from there.</P> <P>Sorry to go off the main topic but I felt that one had been answered pretty thoroughly  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Tipton Wisely]

<P>Sigh. Triple post. TAB key is evil here.</P> <p>Message Edited by Tipton Wisely on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:27 PM</span>

[Tipton Wisely]

<P>bah. double post</P> <p>Message Edited by Tipton Wisely on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:26 PM</span>

[Tipton Wisely]

<P>My actual AE spells do not affect Mez. What I had found was that certain HO triggers have an AE that WILL break mez. If you do not use your Mage HOs triggering the AE one, you should not break mez with any of your regular AE spells.</P> <P> </P> <P>Tipton - 41 Warlock</P>

[Padi]

<DIV>Having a level 45 illusionist and several other classes I've learned that all the caster AoE's are not AoE spells, but encounter spells.  Realize the difference.  One hits only 1 encounter, the other hits everything in an area.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are no mage encounter spells that will break an already mez'ed mob outside the one you are tagetting.  However, as pointed out before, if you land a dot, or encounter dot, then the mobs are mez'ed, the dot is not removed from those mobs and each tick will break the mez.  If you accidentally land one of these spells, you can cancel it and the mob becomes mezable again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another thing, regarding fighter AoE's.  The blue background skills will hit everything in an area in or out of an encounter, however there are some that also will not hit a mez'ed mob.  There are also some green background skills and spells of non mage classes that will hit everything in an encounter weither they are mez'ed or not.  Everything should be tested so you know.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've also noticed that a few of the mez's have been switched to not allow AoE spells to hit them.  Not all and giving that I haven't played my illusionist in a while I don't know which are setup that way.  I do know that the coercer level 23 single target mez will not allow AoE spells or skills to hit them.  This is a newer change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tactically I think most people realize that it doesn't make since to mez non up arrow mobs.  I usually ask enchanters with me not to mez mobs that do not have an up arrow.  It can also be very handy to mez a ^^ boss within a group that has no arrows and let people AE away.  I just ask them to wait for my signal before they throw out their AE dot.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Padien on <span class=date_text>08-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 PM</span>

[zit]

<P>I duo enchanter and warlock and can confirm most of what has been mentioned.</P> <P>1. a mezed mob is immune to any caster AE spell. as enchanter if i mez a boss mob for example within an encounter i do not even change target for my AE damage spells. i mez boss and cast AE on boss. mez wont break, the boss wont get damage, but the other mobs in the encounter will get hit.</P> <P>2. a mezed mob is also immune to Bony Grasp. This was very annoying for a long time as the recast on BG is so long and when accidentially cast on a mezed mob it was wasted and had to wait for refresh. BG got changed recently and now will give you an error msg that says cannot cast on this mob and BG stays useable.</P> <P>3. mage AE HO (star symbol) will break all mez within an encounter.</P> <P>4. if a mob gets dotted and is mezed after, every tick of the dot will break the mez. chancel the dot by clicking it off in the buff window will solve this problem.</P> <P>5. melee AE combat arts with blue background and all AE proc spells will break mez.</P>

[Padi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zitha wrote:<BR> <P>5. melee AE combat arts with blue background and all AE proc spells will break mez.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Actually, this isn't always the case.  Neither is the claim that all green encounter spells do not break mez.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The color system doesn't give any indication on wiether it will or will not break mez, you must test to know.  (E.I. Casted encounter spells by my bard break mez, they have green background.  Blue background skill, Berserker assault does not break mez).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All I can say is test.  Most none mage spells and skills do break mez, but not all.</DIV>