Basking in the glow of Warlock DPS

[Spakka]

Seeing all the concerns about the combat changes to our DPS on this board I thought I just had to share my experience last night with you all.   Last night I dinged 24, so admittedly all the concerns about Bony Grasp nerf etc... are a long way off for me, but as far as I can say this class rocks.   I have a 23 monk and a 27 templar and they took forever to get to that lvl.  My Warlock has got to 24 in about 2 weeks of average play, mostly solo.  Anyway last night I ran over to TS to kill some giants and there was a 27 healer and a 27 Guardian whacking away at a heroic ^^ giant.  They were winning but it was slow going.  I asked to group, and they were reluctant as I was 'only' lvl 24, but they agreed to 'try me' (I guess being on the 'good' side they hadn't grouped with a Warlock before).   Well, 2 giants later they were "Wow that died fast !  Welcome to the group !".  That made me feel GOOD I can tell you  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I have spent a lot of care building up my Int to 129 at lvl 24, and getting ad3 freezing manacles and ice spike, and it makes all the difference.  I dont think my abilities at they are at 24 will be changed much post combat change, and unlike bony grasp manacles is not 'unbreakable', but it serves me just fine, so I am not worried about never getting bony in its unbreakable state.   All I can say is that perhaps Warlock dps may be reduced a bit after the combat changes, but in my experience it still beats playing other classes, so just enjoy your Warlock guys ! <div></div>

[Madha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Spakka wrote:<BR></P> <P>I asked to group, and they were reluctant as I was 'only' lvl 24, but they agreed to 'try me' (I guess being on the 'good' side they hadn't grouped with a Warlock before).  <BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Warlock aren't "good" or "bad". You can create a warlock in both Qeynos and Freeport.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But yes, it's a great class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ps : it's not "freezing manacles", it's "frozen manacles" :smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Kuva]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spakka wrote:<BR><BR>All I can say is that perhaps Warlock dps may be reduced a bit after the combat changes, but in my experience it still beats playing other classes, so just enjoy your Warlock guys !<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Word of caution though, don't flaunt your DPS too much when you chat with scouts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> A lot of them are bitter that melee DPS classes don't come close to us. Which I can understand, actually... swashies and assassins and rangers have no real purpose except DPS either. </DIV>

[Spakka]

Hee Hee, yes thanks for the warning, I will try and be more circumspect  and not flaunt my dps as much !   <div></div>

[Lamprey_02]

I'd suggest rerolling as a wizard if you enjoy fighting ^^ mobs (single-target DPS). SOE is trying to turn warlocks into AE casters, so we will be playing second fiddle in DPS except situationally <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Srav]

Yes, you can brag now but after the patch you will be crying....  The scouts may outdamage you except with more then one mob.   Enjoy the DPS while you can the reroll a Wiz.... <div></div>

[TheBladesCaress]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sraven wrote:Yes, you can brag now but after the patch you will be crying....  The scouts may outdamage you except with more then one mob.   Enjoy the DPS while you can the reroll a Wiz.... <div></div><hr></blockquote>If you didnt know, this is already the case.  Nothing is changing.  On raids, against single targets, Warlocks are already out damaged by Assassins and Wizards (sometimes).</span><div></div>

[Ildarus]

<P>Sraven and Lamprey02,</P> <P>Why do you have to bring this negativity into this great post. A post with a positive outlook on a Warlock and you have to troll on in here and spout negativity. Have either of you actually played a Warlock on test? If so are you looking at the big picture or just what changes have been made to the Warlock. If you haven't played a Warlock on test, please do everyone a favor and don't spout the negativity till you have had a chance to play with the new combat changes and give yourself some time to re-adjust your play style. </P> <P>I have been finding if you actually read all the posts and take everything into account most negative posts about the Warlock changes are coming from people who aren't on the Test Server. Yes there are a few negative posts from people on test, but from what I can tell most people that actually play on test and have had time to look at the big picture have a positive outlook on the changes. When I say look at the big picture I am talking about not just the changes to the Warlock but all the other classes and the Mobs as well.</P> <P> </P> <P>Spakka, </P> <P>Great Post:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Message Edited by Ildarus on <SPAN class=date_text>08-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:14 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Ildarus on <SPAN class=date_text>08-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:20 AM</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Sorry for all the edits I was typing this one fast and kept on catching spelling errors after I submitted. :smileysurprised:</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Ildarus on <span class=date_text>08-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:23 AM</span>

[jaythedogg]

<span><blockquote><hr>Spakka wrote:Seeing all the concerns about the combat changes to our DPS on this board I thought I just had to share my experience last night with you all.   Last night I dinged 24, so admittedly all the concerns about Bony Grasp nerf etc... are a long way off for me, but as far as I can say this class rocks.   I have a 23 monk and a 27 templar and they took forever to get to that lvl.  My Warlock has got to 24 in about 2 weeks of average play, mostly solo.  Anyway last night I ran over to TS to kill some giants and there was a 27 healer and a 27 Guardian whacking away at a heroic ^^ giant.  They were winning but it was slow going.  I asked to group, and they were reluctant as I was 'only' lvl 24, but they agreed to 'try me' (I guess being on the 'good' side they hadn't grouped with a Warlock before).   Well, 2 giants later they were "Wow that died fast !  Welcome to the group !".  That made me feel GOOD I can tell you  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I have spent a lot of care building up my Int to 129 at lvl 24, and getting ad3 freezing manacles and ice spike, and it makes all the difference.  I dont think my abilities at they are at 24 will be changed much post combat change, and unlike bony grasp manacles is not 'unbreakable', but it serves me just fine, so I am not worried about never getting bony in its unbreakable state.   All I can say is that perhaps Warlock dps may be reduced a bit after the combat changes, but in my experience it still beats playing other classes, so just enjoy your Warlock guys ! <div></div><hr></blockquote>Don't forget about Dark Distortion that you got at 23!</span><div></div>

[Spakka]

<div></div>Thanks for your encouragement <a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=176982"><span>Ildarus</span></a> I was just trying to point out that I felt the Warlock had so much going for it as a class that even with modification post-combat changes, it should still be a great class to play.   Of course this is just based on my personal opinion and comparisons to the Templar and Monk I previously played to the same level.And yes Dogg, I got Dark Distortions at 23 and for 4 lvls had been harvesting like crazy to find that rough jasper.   Normally I wouldn't try so hard for a spell upgrade, but every post I read seemed to agree this was the defining spell for Warlocks in this Tier.   I never did harvest one and finally I scraped together every copper piece I had and 2 nights ago paid just over 70 Gold for one on the Broker (ouch).   Can't wait till I get the spell back from the Guild sage  .... hopefully tonight I can do some serious smiting !And as to the worth of upgrading spells before the combat changes.  Well if our single target nukes are the ones being nerfed it seems to me even more important that these be upgraded to Adept3's, certainly my play style prefers nukes over AoE  (at current lvl 25 anyway).<div></div>

[Splatterpunk28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBladesCaress wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sraven wrote:<BR>Yes, you can brag now but after the patch you will be crying....  The scouts may outdamage you except with more then one mob.   Enjoy the DPS while you can the reroll a Wiz....<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>If you didnt know, this is already the case.  Nothing is changing.  On raids, against single targets, Warlocks are already out damaged by Assassins and Wizards (sometimes).<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I've parsed every raid I've been on, it's never happened.  Anytime I'm in high dps groups I parse those as well, it's never happened.  In fact, the classes that come closest are neigher assassins or wizards, brawlers usually come in second in my experience.

[Kven]

<DIV>You haven't done mobs like Asphyxia / Spirits of the Lost golems, Meeting of the Minds (etc) much then... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On any poison-resist mobs, we get owned by any DECENT assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW DPS also depends on role in raid, sometimes I have to be focusing more on stunning the mobs than doing damage.... if I get assigned to interrupt team.</DIV>

[Al]

On all the raids ive done, a warlock has never beat my 50 assassin with all master 1s and adepts 3 on a single target raid mob, not even close. When it comes to AE raid mobs though, they whoop my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] hardcore. Despite this, I got a lvl 26 warlock that I enjoy playing and plan to lvl up to 50 even with the combat revamp coming, I enjoy playing him. <div></div>

[Splatterpunk28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kvenau wrote:<BR> <DIV>You haven't done mobs like Asphyxia / Spirits of the Lost golems, Meeting of the Minds (etc) much then...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On any poison-resist mobs, we get owned by any DECENT assassin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW DPS also depends on role in raid, sometimes I have to be focusing more on stunning the mobs than doing damage.... if I get assigned to interrupt team.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>You are right, I hardly ever go up against poison-resistent mobs because I will have nearly nothing to contribute, that space could go to someone else and I'm very happy to give it to them.  Besides that, it makes no sense to compare us to any class on mobs that we are nearly immune too; that's like comparing a dead fury's healing to a live warden.  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I regularly raid with 1 or 2 assassins, I have no idea what their skills are upgraded to, but they are rarely in the top 3 on dps, behind warlocks, monks, and rangers -- and they've never hit #1.  I can only speak for what I've seen, have no idea what any class's potential is until I witness it myself. </DIV>

[tiki-jiki]

Ive looked at our spells post CU, and i think we are still a great class. You guys need to remember that a lot of classes and mobs are changing. So you cant look at a few of our spells that got toned down and assume that Warlocks are going to suck and that we cant solo. <div></div>

[Crono1321]

<span><blockquote><hr>Alza wrote:On all the raids ive done, a warlock has never beat my 50 assassin with all master 1s and adepts 3 on a single target raid mob, not even close. When it comes to AE raid mobs though, they whoop my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] hardcore. Despite this, I got a lvl 26 warlock that I enjoy playing and plan to lvl up to 50 even with the combat revamp coming, I enjoy playing him. <div></div><hr></blockquote>A warlock will beat your dps, and give massive group buffs to the party while doing it.</span><div></div>

[Al]

Really? Show me some parses to prove it. I said single target raid mobs or ones with very little adds, a warlock owns me at anything with multiple mobs due to there AE as i previously said.

[Onlinedeck]

<DIV>Alza is correct.  Sorry to say it but it is true.  I've seen it firsthand. <BR></DIV> <DIV>You have to remember he is saying SINGLE target raid mob.  He admits when talking about multiple he gets owned which is also true but on single target mobs they can do some incredible DPS.  I couldn't believe it but it does happen. </DIV>

[Splatterpunk28]

<DIV>The last 2raids where an assassin was present, Mefistofeles was the assassin:</DIV> <DIV>I did double his dps in both raids, both encounters were single target.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Parse:  <A href="http://www.temple-tantrums.com/Assassindps1.htm" target=_blank>http://www.temple-tantrums.com/Assassindps1.htm</A></DIV> <DIV>Screenshot from program itself:  <A href="http://www.temple-tantrums.com/assassindps1.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.temple-tantrums.com/assassindps1.jpg</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Parse:  <A href="http://www.temple-tantrums.com/Assassindps2.htm" target=_blank>http://www.temple-tantrums.com/Assassindps2.htm</A></DIV> <DIV>Screenshot from program itself:  <A href="http://www.temple-tantrums.com/assassindps2.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.temple-tantrums.com/assassindps2.jpg</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's another parse with a different group of raiders that are far better outfitted, Mystress was the assassin and it was on single target mob (tremblar):</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://temple-tantrums.com/tremblar.html" target=_blank>http://temple-tantrums.com/tremblar.html</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm on Crushbone, so feel free to analyze the classes/names with an eq2player search.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Like I said, I have no idea what a class's potential is unless I see it myself.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you're on Crushbone, hit me up, I'd like to group or raid with ya to prove this isn't typical.  Or show some parses yourself.</DIV> <DIV>I actually didn't realize it was that low until I pulled these out, just knew he wasn't in the top few slots. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Splatterpunk28 on <span class=date_text>09-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:27 AM</span>

[Al]

<DIV>Last time I did frost maiden for prismatic I did around 340dps using wyrmsteel weapons w/ proc, we burned the thing down so fast didnt even have to range it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is a post I made in assassin forum a while back about my DPS on raids when people were complaining that assassins do crap DPS. Click the links below for the parses.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>---------------------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>"Here are some screenshots of raids tonight, I was top dps in all of them except "meeting of the minds" where a million adds proc the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] out of your MT's shoulders adding about 80dps to him, not to mention he has a potionthat procs dmg whenever he is hit.. Anyways here are links to screen shots of my DPS of all the raids I did tonight. King Zalak I peeled and Hand of Caldera I peeled because we were trying out a new tank and wasnt used to him so I sat there dead entire time <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif" width=16 border=0></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps13pv.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps13pv.jpg</FONT></A> - Misty (mob right before King Drayek)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps26jv.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps26jv.jpg</FONT></A> - King Drayek</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps30mb.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps30mb.jpg</FONT></A> - Meeting of Minds - MT out dpsed me due to dmg proc potion and proc from his shoulders from million adds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps43hu.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps43hu.jpg</FONT></A> - Shakuto (mob before Arch Lich)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img223.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps73jt.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img223.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps73jt.jpg</FONT></A> - Arch Lich Udalan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps68gn.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>http://img134.echo.cx/my.php?image=dps68gn.jpg</FONT></A> - King Zalak - I peeled and died, was dead for around 30 seconds....</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Alza on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>06-16-2005</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:50 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Alza on <SPAN class=date_text><FONT color=#756b56>06-16-2005</FONT></SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:52 PM</SPAN> <P>  <P>------------------------ <P>  <P> </P></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Splatterpunk28]

<P>In my parses, I showed the entire raid's dps so you can see mine vs assassin.  </P> <P>We only see your dps.  Not saying that you are lying anything, but without the bigger picture here, your parses don't say much.  A warlocks' dps is extremely limited by the aggro of the MT.  So a raiding guild that has their MT in amazing gear and master buffs/taunts, a warlock can achieve 400dps without issue.  Yet in a raiding guild where aggro is a huge crux to a warlock with the same version of spells, may not be able to achieve 200dps without getting killed.</P> <P>The only mobs I saw on your list that I've done as well, I'm on utility mode.  Shakuto the lost you did 267.84; here's a parse of raid where I did 392.84:  <A href="http://temple-tantrums.com/makuto_shakuto.html" target=_blank>http://temple-tantrums.com/makuto_shakuto.html</A>.  No assassin was present.  </P> <P>It doesn't matter much to me, but if you wanted to prove that assassins are superior on single target mobs, that didn't do it.</P><p>Message Edited by Splatterpunk28 on <span class=date_text>09-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:30 AM</span>

[Kuva]

To the OP:  /unbask <div></div>

[Al]

<DIV>First of all, that night no warlocks were raiding with us, also if you were experienced with statalyzer you would know it puts whoever does the highest DPS at the top. Look at all those parses, thats right... I am at the top of every one. I've raided over a 100 times and like ive said before the only time a warlock out DPS me is on raids like the junk mobs of tremblar, and shakuto/makuto, the trash adds before them, and meeting of minds (due to adds once again). Thoses parses show my DPS so you can compare to yourself and the other assassin in your guild, and they do exactly that. Like I said, statalyzer organizes by highest dps to lowest, and I am at the top of every one. Also, our MT is full fabled head to toe, master taunts and all, probably one of the best equipped tanks in the game, and has no problem controlling the aggro of a warlock on the zek raid doing 500+ dps. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not dissing warlocks, but im sorry, there is no way you guys come close in raid situation to our single target DPS if the assassin is good and has decent gear, and with the combat revamp coming, nothing but more DPS is coming out of that for us. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>08-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:11 PM</span>

[Splatterpunk28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alza wrote:<BR> <DIV>First of all, that night no warlocks were raiding with us, also if you were experienced with statalyzer you would know it puts whoever does the highest DPS at the top. Look at all those parses, thats right... I am at the top of every one. <FONT color=#ffff00>I've raided over a 100 times and like ive said before the only time a warlock out DPS me is on raids like the junk mobs of tremblar, and shakuto/makuto, the trash adds before them, and meeting of minds (due to adds once again).</FONT> Thoses parses show my DPS so you can compare to yourself and the other assassin in your guild, and they do exactly that. Like I said, statalyzer organizes by highest dps to lowest, and<FONT color=#ffff00> </FONT>I am at the top of every one. Also, our MT is full fabled head to toe, master taunts and all, probably one of the best equipped tanks in the game, and has no problem controlling the aggro of a warlock on the zek raid doing 500+ dps. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im not dissing warlocks, but im sorry, there is no way you guys come close in raid situation to our single target DPS if the assassin is good and has decent gear, and with the combat revamp coming, nothing but more DPS is coming out of that for us. </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Alza on <SPAN class=date_text>08-22-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:11 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So did you even read my post?  If you raid with warlocks all the time, show their numbers!  I can pull a ton of encounters off statalyzer where I'm at the top of statlyzer, pushing well above 300dps.  Does that mean I out dps every class in the game?  No, it just means I out dps'd everyone that was in THAT encounter.  Like I said before, what you're showing is meaningless.  Warlocks can hit 400dps without much issue if a tank can hold aggro on single targets.  You've shown no numbers near or above 400, nor have you shown any warlocks you raid with.  So...  </P> <P>If you want to publish parses with warlocks on your raids, cool -- that would be useful.  If not, just forget it.  I'm not here to argue assassin dps or semantics for that matter.  </P>

[Sokolov]

The Burning Question: Why does Alza do SO much more auto-attack damage than the other assassin?? <div></div>

[Al]

<div></div><div></div><hr>Both my weapons are fabled and im in a grp with a zerker, chanter, and fury, and I also know when to use my haste + dps modifier, maybe thats why my AA is so high <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />As for warlocks doing 400dps on a 3+ min encounter of a single target, I laugh at that. You guys dont have near the amount of single DD spells + slow casting AEs to come remotely close. These parses are from 2 months ago and I  also didnt randomly choose parses I was high on, these parses were all from one night of raiding in our guild, I did not pick or choose my highest dps encounters and post them, I posted all that took place that night.I will try and get some parses for you this week to show you how bad warlocks get owned on single targets, despite you thinking so <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Stay tuned.. BTW, im not trolling this forum, I got a lvl 30 warlock, just ticks me off that you think warlocks do more dmg on single targets in a RAID, that like me saying my assassin does more AE dmg <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>08-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:56 AM</span>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kuvala wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Spakka wrote:<BR><BR>All I can say is that perhaps Warlock dps may be reduced a bit after the combat changes, but in my experience it still beats playing other classes, so just enjoy your Warlock guys !<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Word of caution though, don't flaunt your DPS too much when you chat with scouts <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> A lot of them are bitter that melee DPS classes don't come close to us. Which I can understand, actually... swashies and assassins and rangers have no real purpose except DPS either.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yeah, we don't come close to you alright <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> yeah...... just keep thinking that........... DONT NERF ME!</DIV>