Duo of two Warlocks? What doesnt stack?

[Fael]

I normally two-box.  I am interested in playing Warlocks, as I like nukers and find them to normally be effective, as I can drop stuff before it gets to me. But would two Warlocks lose some effectiveness, as some things wouldnt stack?  Dots for instance?  Buffs for sure. Probably better to just make one Wizard and one Warock? Thanks, Mal <div></div>

[V4n]

I would definitely make two different classes, no matter what two you picked.  It isn't just stackability, it is how different skill sets complement each other.

[Fael]

<div></div>Thanks V4ance.  I figured that it would probably be better to have a variety of buffs and dots that stacked.  But wasnt sure if the superior DD power of the Warlock would win out.If  a pair of Warlocks drop mobs much faster than  a Wizard  and Warlock, then I figured  would be better to go with them.  I dont really want to do too much more than Root/Stun and DD.I am curious though, do any of the DOTs or Debuffs stack for Warlocks?Do the group buffs,  like  Amplification (+pow, +mag and elemental mitigation, +offensive skills) and Boon of the Void (+pow, +mag and poison mitigation,  +power regen ) stack for a group of a Warlock and a Wizard?  I guess either way you have the option of which is the better buff for whoever you are facing.  But it would be nice to have both on at once.Thanks,Mal<span class="title_big"><span></span></span><div></div>

[SilentSam]

<P>Spells like Belenger's sapping salvo might have stacking issues (I know it used to).  I don't think dots stack or debuffs, and I'm told devastation doesnt stack either.</P> <P>I was duoing with another level 47 warock the other night and wow was it fun...things die real fast <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />    However, I'd think to maximize your skillz not overlapping, I'd make a warlock and a wizzie.  The two together don't conflict on spells and both dish out great damage.  A warlock / wiz combo would be especially nice after the fabled combat revamp when our DPS levels will 'probably' end up being somewhat closer.  </P>

[Fael]

Thanks Silent.  I guess I have a while before i actually choose.  Figure Im gonna start over as Gnomes (was playing Ogres).  I noticed that when of my two guys dies its because he drew aggro (duh) and I really had no way of shifting it to the other guy, which would basically save both guys.  Thats where Confusing Babble comes in.  Two Gnomes.  I can use it if one pulls too much aggro, then the other can use it if I need to switch back.  hehe.  Mal <div></div>

[SilentSam]

<P>Ratongas have something that functions like confusing babble...its called Pitiful Plea.  It reduces hate on the current target.  It even has a cool animation of the ratonga going to his knees and pleading for mercy.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> I've liked using Ratonga for a Warlock due to their high AGI stats as well...the extra avoidance can be quite helpful when yer wearing paper-thin cloth for armor.  </P> <P>Is confusing babble only for a single target or does it affect all targets in the encounter?  Pitiful plea only affects a single target.</P>

[Amistead]

<DIV>There are still stacking issues with Bellengere's Sapping Salvo (Lvl 30 training upgrade to Distortion).</DIV> <DIV>There are stacking issues with the two dot debuffs, Steal Breath and Chaotic Maelstrom.</DIV> <DIV>There are stacking issues with the AOE's that also have Dot components, (Null Absolution for example).</DIV> <DIV>Further, your group buffs will not stack (resulting in no increases to power pool, power regeneration, etc.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Honestly, I would not go this route if I were you.  I would two box with a Warlock and a Wizard before I would choose two warlocks or two wizards.  The sum total of single target roots at your disposal would be frightening, and at level 40, you have TWO aoe roots that ensure a group would NEVER move if you time it correctly.  I have a 42 Warlock, and a friend of mine has a 43 Wizard.  Needless to say, the combined dps is gross.  We duo quite nicely.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alezara</DIV> <DIV>Warlock of the 42nd Order</DIV> <DIV>-=Pandemonium=-</DIV><p>Message Edited by Amistead on <span class=date_text>06-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:17 PM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Debuffs dont stack , dots dont stacks,</DIV> <DIV>Nukes and Rains stack (Devastration is Rain)...</DIV>

[Splatterpunk28]

<P>Level 50 these spells are used most often for dmg:</P> <P>Devastation (doesn't stack), Nil/Null Absolution (doesn't stack), BSS (doesn't stack), NIl Distortion (no issue), HVB or Noxious Bolt (usually not a problem, but sometimes will not stack if it lands within 2seconds of eachother).  There's no pure DoT that we use for dmg, but Chaotic Maelstrom, our debuff/dot in one does not stack.  No buffs stack with eachother.</P> <P>I'd advise duo'ing with a necromancer or wizard.  The necromancer adds quite a bit of safety w/ pet and ward while still doing a good amount of dmg (plus you increase their dmg with disease debuff, as they will yours).  Wizard *hopefully soon* will have same dps as us, so if you want mobs dead pretty much instantly -- there ya go.</P> <P>My guess about revamp is that wizards and warlocks will not be able to solo as well as they can now and summoners will be able to do better after revamp, but that's not based on any factual information.  Only information we know in so far as socerors is that roots will be changed pretty significantly; and our solo'ing/duo'ing relies very heavily on it currently; whereas necromancers do not rely on roots at all.  </P> <P>But then, playing a necromancer might be a bit difficult if two-boxing, as it's a bit more complex than the root/debuff/nuke/stun (repeat) that sorcerors do while solo'ing/duo'ing.</P> <p>Message Edited by Splatterpunk28 on <span class=date_text>06-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:39 PM</span>

[Max122]

<DIV>Well I would have to say I liked duoing with a warlock buddy in my guild over a wizard anyday.  Since you share the debuffs we just split up which one we used.  BSS i do think conflicts but I have dark distortion at adept 3 so i use that no problems.  Also you will know the class better just have to worry about one area to debuff and what not. Dont get me wrong wizard/warlock works great too but not sure if i just grouped with bad wizards or what but me and my one guildy busted from mid 40s to 50 in a week and a half or so.</DIV>

[Fepp]

<div></div>(off topic to your question - general duo post) I duo with a warlock friend more than half the time I'm on. BSS does stack IF your the same level.  If your not the same level, the lower toons should cast first.  The debuffs Chaotic Mael and Steal Breath dont stack - but at the same time that doesnt matter, just cast one each.  Your buffs dont stack - yeah this is a pain.  If your going to duo make sure the highest peep with best spell versions casts them.Devastation doesnt stack - but thats no problem with a small amount of co-ordination; 2 hits of devastation on a group is so great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I think hunting with another warlock is the best partner for us when out in a Duo, it really is the most fun I've had in game.  The other person you play with (in your case you) really has to be good,  personally I think it would be very hard to 2box a warlock duo - my limit channel capacity is quickly reached only being one half of the duo <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  As with all groups the fun really starts when it doesnt all go to plan. I find it great to not have to hide behind a tank and would really recommend it to everyone. Edit: Just thought, the DoT affect of BSS might not stack, but if your the same level then it wont stop you both hitting the mob with it. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Fepple on <span class=date_text>06-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 PM</span>

[Fael]

Great comments guys!  It seems that going Wizard and Warlock would be good for stacking purposes, but that two Warlocks would work out as well.  I guess that each casting a different debuff and DOT would still be fine, as after two dots and debuffs Id probably just be nuking anyways.  Either way, I do have plenty of time as I just started them last night.  Both just got to Qeynos. Good to know ahead of time that Confusing Babble only affects one mob, though affecting all linked mobs would be better. Ive also been toying around the idea of grouping a Wizard and Warden.  Both use heat/cold DDs and DOTs, so that is ALOT of elemental mitigation between them.  Sounds like decent damage.  Plus having a healer should make things a bit safer.  Gnome and Halfling for their aggro reducing racial traits.  I figure Wizard is due for a damage increase, making them comparable to Warlock.  Then Wizard will be the prefered Nuker. Thanks for the help guys. Mal <div></div>

[V4n]

So after all this useful advice, you are going to go with a Wizard and a Warden ??!!!! Get out of our Warlock forums, you traitor! j/k, best of luck with whatever you choose.

[Tanatus]

Devastration DO stack ... check the log files ... and reason for that is not DOT its a Rain attack

[Zandof]

<DIV>Hey buddy before you make that final decision I just read a forum post by moongard (look under dev tracker) about the revamp.  I guess one major change is that now all dots and attacks/buffs ets of same classes will stack as long as they are from different characters.  So that could change things dramatically.  Other then that, again the best thing you could do is hold at lvl 19 until the revamp comes and make you're decision then when others say how it has went.</DIV>

[Fael]

Well the Warden/Wizard is just the alts.  My main will of course be two mages! Hehe. Zandorf, I just made 8th last night, so I still have a very long way to go before I need to make a big decision, but its good to have an idea where Im going. Thanks much for telling me that.  If Wizard/Warlock DOTs will stack, that does give me a strong inclination to make them both the same.  Playing the same type character really makes two boxing MUCH easier.  Same keyboard setup.  Hit the same buttons in the same order.  Especially in this game with all the cooldowns; two classes with different cooldowns would really be rough to work at once I think (compared to WOW, DAOC and EQ) .  Plus, I run twins.  And they But I really dont get how everyone levels so fast.  If I make it off the Isle in a RL day, doing most the quests, I consider Ive leveled fast.  And its not like I dont know what I need to do there.  My two weeks or so of playing the game when it was released was almost exclusively on the Isle (as my comp couldnt handle the mainland). 19th lv is probably a LONG way off for me.  Is this revamp going to take place in September?  If so I would probably make it by then. Thanks for the help guys.  I do like the image of Warlocks more than Wizards actually.  The 50th lv Rain sounds awesome.  Boney Grasp sounds great.  Power draining DDs.  Stacking DOTs would increase the power of wizards alot I would think, as they have more DOTs or DDs with DOT components.  Group Evac would be nice.  But I think Warlocks are cooler.  And currently my short, messy, white-haired, colored sunglass wearing gnomes look sweet. Anyways, thanks for all the comments guys.  Hope to post here in the near future as a Warlock. Mal <div></div>