Which adept III?

[Oneira]

I got another jasper and wanted to ask which 20-29 spelll I should upgrade after DD, which is already at adept III.  If you had a choice, would you upgrade Steal Breath or Flash Freeze?  or sell the jasper and save up for a horse? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Dart]

<DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Which DD did you upgrade?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>So I am facing a similar dilemma.. I have a tier 2 rare, and I was contemplating upgrading </FONT><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>, but the more I read I see maybe I should go with Ice Spike? </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>What the recommendation, when did you stop using </FONT><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>

[Kven]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oneira wrote:<BR>I got another jasper and wanted to ask which 20-29 spelll I should upgrade after DD, which is already at adept III.  If you had a choice, would you upgrade Steal Breath or Flash Freeze?  or sell the jasper and save up for a horse? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I did both <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'd honestly say do FF before Steal Breath though.  FF lasts until level 48 [ CAN use at 50, just can't use the spell on 49+ mobs ].  Steal Breath lasts until 41'ish or 42'ish, whenever ya get Chaotic Maelstrom.</P> <P>Hope that helps.</P>

[Oneira]

<span><blockquote><hr>Darton wrote:<div><span class="109062615-23062005"><font face="Verdana" size="2">Which DD did you upgrade?</font></span></div> <div><span class="109062615-23062005"><font face="Verdana" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="109062615-23062005"><font face="Verdana" size="2">So I am facing a similar dilemma.. I have a tier 2 rare, and I was contemplating upgrading </font><a href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target="_blank"><b><font face="Verdana" size="2">Dark Distortion</font></b></a><font face="Verdana" size="2">, but the more I read I see maybe I should go with Ice Spike? </font></span></div> <div><span class="109062615-23062005"><font size="2"></font></span> </div> <div><span class="109062615-23062005"><font face="Verdana" size="2">What the recommendation, when did you stop using </font><a href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target="_blank"><b><font face="Verdana" size="2">Dark Distortion</font></b></a><font face="Verdana" size="2">?</font></span></div> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Dark Distortion.  It's a tier 3 spell and a must for upgrade.  You'll stop using it when you get Nil Distortion at 37.</span><div></div>

[Oneira]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kvenau wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Oneira wrote:I got another jasper and wanted to ask which 20-29 spelll I should upgrade after DD, which is already at adept III.  If you had a choice, would you upgrade Steal Breath or Flash Freeze?  or sell the jasper and save up for a horse? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>I did both <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'd honestly say do FF before Steal Breath though.  FF lasts until level 48 [ CAN use at 50, just can't use the spell on 49+ mobs ].  Steal Breath lasts until 41'ish or 42'ish, whenever ya get Chaotic Maelstrom.</p> <p>Hope that helps.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Thanks, I was sort of leaning toward FF myself.  The horsey can wait <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Dart]

<DIV> <DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2>So is <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Flashfreeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Flashfreeze</FONT></B></A><SPAN class=737070418-23062005> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana>an upgrade for <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Freeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Freeze</FONT></B></A>? If so then It looks like Ill grab Dark Distortion (since Im only 24 now) and then get FF when I am closer to 29. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana>Does That make logical sense (money not being an issue of course)?</FONT></SPAN> </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=737070418-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>The reason I ask is.... I use Freeze a lot when soloing. Often times my strat is to Open with <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/FrozenManacles.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Frozen Manacles</FONT></B></A>, then Start HO, then <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/IceSpike.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ice Spike</FONT></B></A>, then <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A>, usually root breaks by then so Ill throw out <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Freeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Freeze</FONT></B></A>, then another shot of <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/IceSpike.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ice Spike</FONT></B></A> or <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A>, mob dead, or I will have to <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/FrozenManacles.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Frozen Manacles</FONT></B></A>, the mob then seocnd HO round. Not to mention that rare occasion that the Star comes up on HO closer.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=737070418-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=737070418-23062005>With that said <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Flashfreeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Flashfreeze</FONT></B></A> (if an upgrade to <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Freeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Freeze</FONT></B></A>) would be a good spell, especially if it is still used up to level 48^^ mobs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=737070418-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=737070418-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I don't use dots very often when soloing since it seems each tick of small damage has a chance to break root. (I could be wrong but Root seems to last much longer without DoT's).</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005>Note: I meant to say Tier 3 rare, in my earlier post</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Darton on <SPAN class=date_text>06-23-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>11:17 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Darton on <span class=date_text>06-23-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:18 AM</span>

[Kven]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2>So is <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Flashfreeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Flashfreeze</FONT></B></A><SPAN class=737070418-23062005> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana>an upgrade for <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Freeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Freeze</FONT></B></A>? If so then It looks like Ill grab Dark Distortion (since Im only 24 now) and then get FF when I am closer to 29. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#ffff00 size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005>Yes, FlashFreeze is the upgrade for Freeze.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#ffff00 size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005><FONT face=Verdana>Does That make logical sense (money not being an issue of course)?</FONT></SPAN> </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#ffff00 size=2>Then get both definately.  I upgraded DD and it was well worth it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#ffff00 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=737070418-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I don't use dots very often when soloing since it seems each tick of small damage has a chance to break root. (I could be wrong but Root seems to last much longer without DoT's).</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00 size=2>DoT's such as Steal Breath lower poison/disease mitigation by quite a large amount.  I've found that I do a LOT more damage per cast when using this line before nukes... but yes, it has a chance to break root.  It's a personal preference.  I'm a huge debuffer.  I usually pulled with Curse of Emptiness < or whatever > and it is strictly a poison/disease mitigation debuff (and creates a nil crystal when mob dies w/ this effect on it, useful for Abhorent/Wicked Gift and Netheros) and then rooted and followed that with a Steal Breath / Chaotic Maelstrom.  10% of the time roughly root would break.  That wouldn't matter much because I would already be at maximum range again, so by the time they reached me, FM was already landing on them.  Rarely did I get hit (You can run backwards in the last 10% of casting time [ or a little more ] and it won't interrupt you, getting you out of range before they hit you ).  You can also slowly move while casting.  Tap forward/backwards/sideways 1 tap at a time while casting, you can indeed move and not interrupt yourself, but not very fast <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=388550917-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Hope that helps.<BR></P>

[Spag]

<P>FlashFreeze is an upgrade and it is on a separate timer.  This is great, as I just got this spell, and it makes soloing so much easier.  I dont have to wait for freeze to refresh before starting my next round of HOs.  A resisted Frozen Manacles can be a quick death for us if our stun is still waiting on recast.</P> <P>I will be upgrading this as soon as I get the cash.</P>

[Dart]

<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005>Wow that's some great information, thanks so much you two for sharing your insight! I will play with some of the strats mentioned.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005>Cheers~</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

[Dart]

<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005>So how many levels will <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Flashfreeze.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Flashfreeze</FONT></B></A> last a Warlock? I may have confused FF with <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/IceSpike.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ice Spike</FONT></B></A>. Does <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ice </FONT>spike work on and up to level 48^^ mobs? </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN class=395562319-23062005>Should I be looking to upgrade DD, then FF, and then IS?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

[Deathspell]

I suggest you guys read the thread "Bony Grasp changed on test". It seems they will change all root/stun spells. For the moment I would save that rare for a damage spell, or just keep it at the bank for a while and see how this upcoming nerf will work out... <div></div>

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darton wrote:<BR> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Which DD did you upgrade?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>So I am facing a similar dilemma.. I have a tier 2 rare, and I was contemplating upgrading </FONT><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>, but the more I read I see maybe I should go with Ice Spike? </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=109062615-23062005><FONT face=Verdana size=2>What the recommendation, when did you stop using </FONT><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/DarkDistortion.php" target=_blank><B><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Dark Distortion</FONT></B></A><FONT face=Verdana size=2>?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Dark Distortion for SURE. BTW ice spiek is only a T2 spell.</P> <P>I have both ice SPike and DD adept3. I am now lvl 23 and my DD adept3 went from 300's max dmg to 500's max dmg.</P> <P>I upraded ice spike to adept 3 whe I got the spell. I didn,t even used the app1 version. And it was a boost of like 30-40 average dmg from app1 to adept3. so now at lvl 23 my ice spike do 220max dmg while my DD adept3 do like 520 or 540max dmg I cant remember.</P> <P> </P> <P>But myself I would like to know what to upgrade after DD. I have Nil Distortion adept3 that sleep in my bank but I still need 14lvl to use it.</P>

[DwarvesR]

<P><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/000/747/945.jpg"></P> <P>I don't know the stats for the higher levels becuz I'm not there yet, so they still get the "unknown 1"</P> <P>Looking at it, DD is obviosuly a superior spell, not only in sheer damage done, but in efficiency of damage done per mana point too.  But I still find that Ice Spike is my more used spell.  Why?</P> <P>Dark Distortion's recast time is 9 seconds, with a 2 second cast and .5 second recovery.  So it's ready every 11.5 seconds. </P> <P>Ice Spike's recast time is 2 seconds, with a 2 second cast and .5 second recovery.  It's ready every 4.5 seconds.</P> <P> </P> <P>So I can lead with a DD, but then I have time to get 2 Spikes off before DD is ready again.  And I like to finish HO's with DD, so I tend to do the "Manacle, trigger, Ice Spike, DD, Ice Spike, trigger, Ice Spike, DD, Ice Spike, trigger, Ice Spike. . . .etc thing.  This is assuming the root held that long, the HO didn't want the "star", and I'm not in a group using the HO's with the group.  Still, since there are 2 Ice Spike casts for every DD, I consider the Spike to be my main spell.  And yes, I try to get the ice and poison dot's that debuff vs posion and cold damage in there too, if I'm not worried about root breaking.</P> <P> </P> <P>So anyway. . . Ice Spike is still good to upgrade, even if it caps at 25th level.  It's still a good spell even then.  Can't wait for Nxious Bolt though. . . . </P>

[Spag]

<DIV>Even in that scenario, which is the same way I do it on harder mobs, I would consider DD as your main spell and Ice spike is filler.  This is because a single cast of DD will generally do more damage than 2 casts of ice spike, and will do so using less power, and while Ice spike is already maxed out, DD has plenty of room to grow for you still.</DIV>