Which adept III

[samatt]

<div></div>I have a rough coral and was wondering as a warlock which 10-19 spell I should make adept III? Thanks, <div></div><p>Message Edited by samatt on <span class=date_text>06-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:52 AM</span>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>IceSpike or Frozen Manacle - both will be good choice</DIV>

[Ker]

<P>Frozen Manacles.  No question.  Many of us still using it at level 50.  I know I do.</P> <P><EM>Oberin</EM></P> <P><STRONG>Keepers of the Faith</STRONG></P> <P>Guk</P>

[samatt]

Frozen Manacles was my gut feeling was just making sure.  Didn't know if we got a better replacement or not. <div></div>

[Ker]

<P>You'll get a great multiple encounter AE root at 40 (Bony Grasp), but Frozen Manacles is still excellent for various situations.</P> <P><EM>Oberin</EM></P> <P><STRONG>Keepers of the Faith</STRONG></P> <P>Guk</P>

[yzyh]

<P>ice spike</P> <P> </P> <P>Yeah frozen manacle is a good choice but adept3 of it is not usefull at lower lvl.</P> <P>While my adept3 icespike do over 200dmg at lvl 21</P> <DIV>You can always buy Frozen manacle adept3 at higher lvl. But untill the spell get resisted it has no utility to upgrade it. The little +dmg on it is not that usefull.</DIV><p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class=date_text>06-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:32 AM</span>

[MilkToa]

<P>I have seen no empirical evidence that FM adept 3 works any better than FM adept 1 - I'm still using FM adept 1 at level 49 and it works great for me.  I've soloed for at least 95% of my XP, so I use FM all the time with no problems. So my recommendation would be Ice Spike.</P> <P> </P>

[tiki-jiki]

I would probably get ice spike, i have both  ice spike and frozen manticles at adept 3, and i am not sure frozen manticles is any better at adept 3. <div></div>

[samatt]

<div></div>Thanks for all the replies. Do use ice spike a lot more so I may go with it. Haven't had a chance to play with manacles much but if it doesn't be come too much more effective I probably won't waste the rare.  Thanks Again <div></div><p>Message Edited by samatt on <span class=date_text>06-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:52 AM</span>

[Ker]

<P>Well the responses here just go to prove that everyone plays a little differently.  I personally never use Ice Spike and pretty much quit using it in my 30s...if I recall correctly.   Considering its usefulness at lower levels I could see the sense in upgrading it.  However, at level 50 it's not even on one of my hotbars anymore so I was looking at it from that perspective.  As for why it's not there, I just don't need that level of damage from a spell when I have others that do more and I have no trouble cycling the timers so that it would be needed.</P> <P><EM><FONT face=Century>Oberin</FONT></EM></P> <P><STRONG>Keepers of the Faith</STRONG></P> <P>Guk</P><p>Message Edited by Kerik on <span class=date_text>06-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:20 PM</span>

[golobnig]

Did they change something that I missed.  I thought adept 3 frozen manicles did not improve root hold but just added some extra damage, thus not worth waisting a rare to upgrade.  I currently have adept 1 frozen manicles, but if this has changed and adept 3 will infact help with root time then I will definately upgrade it.  Can someone please confirm this?  Thanks.

[Nebulari]

<P>I have both Ice spike and fm adept three.  The root does seem to last longer imo but I cannot scientifically prove it LOL.  Ice spike at LVL 27 is doing an average of 250-275 DMG.  </P> <P>If It were me I would go with the ice spike spell but thats just me. I was licky enough to mine two silver cluster in the same day.</P>

[Ranvi]

<DIV>I would go with frozen manacles because you will only use ice spike for a couple of levels. FM, however, you will use for a long time. Corals are so cheap though...you can make a FM Ad3 at a later time if you want ice spike that bad.</DIV>

[Questorian]

<P>I have made myself a Painfull Meditation Adept III, was that completly wrong? Reading this thread I am in doubt again, but I remember reading somewhere on these forums that Painfull Meditation is a good choice to upgrade. Please let me know your thoughts on this</P> <P>Shabrak, Troll Sorcerer Lvl 13 currently on Splitpaw</P> <P> </P>

[Aadar]

<P>I think Summon Shadows is a good one to upgrade. Lets you get places easier as you are invis to higher level mobs. It will allow you to get that Oracle Robe you want several levels earlier without the need to group to get down to the library.</P> <P>Regarding painful meditation, you get a level 20 training choice to canabalise for power, so unless you have a silver/coral spare I would go for FM, Summon Shadows, and/or Ice Spike.</P> <DIV> </DIV>

[Panad]

Yeah, Summon Shadows is nice but you get replacement spells as you lvl up, there's no replacement for Frozen Manacles, still using it at 46 and many Warlocks still use it at 50 so I'd definitely upgrade it rather than Summon Shadows. Unfortunately I'm not sure about the differences between Adept 1 and Adept 3, maybe less resists? <div></div>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Oki let me give some explonation...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Icespike - rather low spell WILL be your primary and after lvl 23 seconday nuke... It much better then any secondary nukes you get between lvl 20 all way to 30. Its good 16 lvls of use. It could be your trinary nuke all way up to mid 30 unless you pick HPB as lvl 20 trait. The only real replacement for IceSpike will be only Dark Pyre</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Frozen Mancle - you'll master this spell rather early thus resistance most of the time not the issue but Adept 3 spells have greater then Adept 1 spelll last for a full duration and that is priceless</DIV>

[BaronVonPitviper]

<P>Please let me add a little more to Tanatus's post. We have many poison and disease damage spells. However we do not have very many elemental spells. When you challenge Tarnis for his mark, you will quickly learn to your chagrin, that Sartar is basically 98% resistant to poison attacks. Enter Ice spike and Ice flame, stage right. I personally believe you should get both FM and IS to adept3 as soon as your able. We must strive to be as effective in any situation we find ourselves in as possible. </P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: On a side note, I am considering upgrading those elemental dots also incase I find myself in mortal combat against a creep that shrugs off my devastation like it's a light rain.</P> <p>Message Edited by BaronVonPitviper on <span class=date_text>06-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:13 AM</span>

[SilentSam]

I have Freezing Whorl Adept 3 and I quite liked it until Steal Breath took over for it.