Is warlock for me? Here is how I play...

[Odium]

<DIV>Im currently a LVL 16 Sorcerer. Right now I can deal more damage per hit that those I team with (course I get beat to a pulp If I draw aggro to much) But I like the idea of sending in lots of damage and I rarely do much else over root and some simple buffs that the group gets before battle. It may sound a little selfish, but I figure there are healers and buffers and other classes with tricks up their sleave and if we need those, we can ask them to join - I like frying bud guys, plain and simple. I see my help to the group as being my ability to deal damage, not heal it or prevent it. I figure dropping the bad guys quickly is my job, not saving us from peril by being invisable. Im a ways away from Warlock yet - Im only LVL 16, but I want to start guiding my charatcter and bulding skills towards the appropriate class type. I love playing casters - always have, but usualy wizards. Im new to the EQ2 game so  - what say ye?</DIV>

[BuzzKillD]

<DIV>If dealing damage is what you like you cant go wrong with warlock or wizzy. Again all depends what kinda spells you want. Im sure you have already read the posts that tell you who gets what as far as buffs go. Yeah wizzys get evac and mez, we get some nice mana regen spells and scary DPS. Anyone can play a button smashing caster... but only a few can play them well. By that I mean doing as much DPS as possible WITHOUT getting aggro. Thats the key of playing this class. You need to learn where the line is between getting the most dps you can and not stealing aggro. You mentioned its our job to do DPS, Yes it is. But its also our job to not go so nuke happy we are taking aggro and making the healer blow their power just to keep us alive.</DIV>

[Odium]

<DIV>True, true. Im fairly good at being careful. Ive played pure casters since the old AD&D days, through some online, PC and Playstation games and now EQ2. Sometimes though, It doesn't seem to take much to get aggro, almost like the target just want a piece of me and runs right past the two tanks.</DIV>

[yzyh]

<DIV>Well Both Wiz/Warlock are (will be in a few patch according to SoE) the 2 best DPS class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But Wiz can dish a bit more burst DPS then Warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But Warlock can dish a bit more dmg over lon period then Wizard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also in long fight raids Wizard are feeding healers with mana.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So If you don't want to be a supporting class do go Wiz. Well in group Wiz still ubber DPS and in some raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well thats what poeple seems to say.</DIV>

[Atd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well Both Wiz/Warlock are (will be in a few patch according to SoE) the 2 best DPS class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But Wiz can dish a bit more burst DPS then Warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But Warlock can dish a bit more dmg over lon period then Wizard.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I will say this again Warlocks are NOT a dot class We deal more up front damage than a Wizzie. I have yet to group with a Wizard at my same level that can Hit harder with a nuke than I can at level 39. My highest hit at 39 is 1708 and I have never seen a wizzie at my level hit that hard. Wizzies offset this by haveing some killer dots to off-set not having the big up front nuke.</P> <P>If you want to play a class that drops the mobs quick go warlock :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Yzyh if you want to give advice I would advise you get your facts straight before you post</P> <P> </P> <P>Chipper Bogglecog 39 Warlock</P>

[yzyh]

<P>so your lvl 39 ?</P> <P> </P> <P>ice comet.</P> <P>Myself I still newby (and I told that was warlock and wizzy that told me what I wrot)</P> <P> </P> <P>Most warlock I met told me that a wizy will usualy dish more dmg in a few second at lvl 50. But they go oom way b4 a warlock will. Well its always depend on mobs resist.</P> <P> </P> <P>P.S. Were in my post you saw me telling we were a DoT class  ???? Read corectly b4 flaming.</P> <p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class=date_text>05-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:08 PM</span>

[chaos overlo]

<DIV><SPAN>yzyh, sorry but that is just bull[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. wizzi does more DPS than a warlock? rofl... thats a nice one. can't stop laughing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Let me guess, you never ever played a warlock?! I really dont know any wizzi spell that does around 3k of dmg (which we warlocks do). As stated above: next time you're going to post something, do a little reseach before... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>If one likes to be the #1 DD than choose the warlock, but be prepared to die often if you cannot learn how to handle the aggro by timing your spells. There are a lot of nuke spamers out there, they're not very welcome in groups 'cause they often cause a group wipe.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>Just my two cents. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by chaos overload on <span class=date_text>05-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:47 AM</span>

[Xtremeeeee]

<DIV>Someone obviously never plays with wizzies. Warlocks max single hit is around 2k from Nil Distortion, Wizzies is around 3.5k with Ice Comet. Get your facts straight before you start laughing please.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT: Also Immolation will do around 2.5k-3k damage on a single target.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Xtremeeeeeee on <span class=date_text>05-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:53 AM</span>

[Sac_jok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> chaos overload wrote:<BR> <DIV><SPAN>yzyh, sorry but that is just bull[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. wizzi does more DPS than a warlock? rofl... thats a nice one. can't stop laughing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Let me guess, you never ever played a warlock?! I really dont know any wizzi spell that does around 3k of dmg (which we warlocks do). As stated above: next time you're going to post something, do a little reseach before... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>If one likes to be the #1 DD than choose the warlock, but be prepared to die often if you cannot learn how to handle the aggro by timing your spells. There are a lot of nuke spamers out there, they're not very welcome in groups 'cause they often cause a group wipe.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN>Just my two cents. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></SPAN></DIV> <P>Message Edited by chaos overload on <SPAN class=date_text>05-26-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:47 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#ff0000>Have you heard of Ice Comet (2992-3657 adept 3) or immolation (2000 damage over 8 secs)? Wizzy direct damage spell line is equivalent or greater than ours on ANY DAY...but, our DoT line out damage theirs with Devastation doing about 554-678 and 410-502 every 1.5 seconds for 6 seconds with a stun at the end (Adept 3) on up to 5 targets.  Nil Absolution (Adept 1) does 337-412 and 48-59 every 1.5 seconds for 6 seconds.  Dark Nebula (adept 3) does 156-191.  Abysmal Fury (Master 1)  does 255-345. The largest</FONT> difference is that their mana cost per spell is greater than ours and the recast timers on their spells seem to be a bit longer, so they CAN or do have the ABILITY TO put out EQUAL DPS to Warlocks and depending on the situation they can even put out better.  Next time you post something do a little research before</FONT>.</FONT> :smileywink:</FONT>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>As it stands now warlocks are better DPS then wizard for both solo and AE untill up to lvl 50 then we pretty much even for single target and warlock still king of AE</DIV> <DIV>Well may be adept 3 commet hit for up to 3601 .... who care's? it have 45s recast timer... compare to our Nil Distortion that we get 13 lvls early (37) it hit 2106 but have recast timer 18s and cost wimpy 50 power to cast so go figure... Lets not foget about our secondary nukes BSS - ~1100 (with dot part) /9s recast NoxBolt ~850 (with little DD part) 6.5s recast ....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But all in all our main advantage is power efficiency of nukes</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tanatus on <span class=date_text>05-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:40 PM</span>

[Nebulari]

<DIV>GUys!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets not get into a flame war here over who is bigger than who on the play ground!!  Truth be told I like grouping with a Wizzie!!  Being a 23rd Lvl right now and having mostly all Adept III or App IV nukes and stuns I might be out damaging them over the long period but I love to have them there to lay down the nukes with me in the end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do we ever think that maybe the performance differences are there to augment one another and were not placed there for  us to bicker about what is better?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The most disappointing class I played was my summoner / Necromancer:  Want to talk about under powered and just neutered!!!  Now I will say Necromancer have something to complain about and be unhappy about!!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I too like the original poster always play a Wielder of the Wand and I love my Warlock!!!  Wouldn't trade this one for the world!~ Dark Distortion and Negative Absolution are Killer!!!  APP IV .  My Freeze, Ice Spike, and Frozen Manacles Adept III are still nice to!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bottom Line:  It all depends on what you like.  Negative Absolution will draw aggro like NOW if you cast it to early so I like to start with Freeze and Putrid cloud and then finish with DD.  I cant speak to what Wizards like to cast but I know I like Wizards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kill the Mob not one another <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Atd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nebularius wrote:<BR> <DIV>GUys!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lets not get into a flame war here over who is bigger than who on the play ground!!  Truth be told I like grouping with a Wizzie!!  Being a 23rd Lvl right now and having mostly all Adept III or App IV nukes and stuns I might be out damaging them over the long period but I love to have them there to lay down the nukes with me in the end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do we ever think that maybe the performance differences are there to augment one another and were not placed there for  us to bicker about what is better?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The most disappointing class I played was my summoner / Necromancer:  Want to talk about under powered and just neutered!!!  Now I will say Necromancer have something to complain about and be unhappy about!!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I too like the original poster always play a Wielder of the Wand and I love my Warlock!!!  Wouldn't trade this one for the world!~ Dark Distortion and Negative Absolution are Killer!!!  APP IV .  My Freeze, Ice Spike, and Frozen Manacles Adept III are still nice to!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bottom Line:  It all depends on what you like.  Negative Absolution will draw aggro like NOW if you cast it to early so I like to start with Freeze and Putrid cloud and then finish with DD.  I cant speak to what Wizards like to cast but I know I like Wizards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kill the Mob not one another <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well put Nebularius. I love duoing with a Wizzie we take stuff out quick <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> we complment each other very well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P> </P> <P>Chipper Bogglecog 39 Warlock</P>

[chaos overlo]

<DIV>Of course I've "heard" of Ice Comet and Immolation (a guildie of mine plays a lvl 50 wizzy), but have you heard of the elementar resistances (Fire, Ice) most of the greater mobs have? Ok, I admitt the burst damage maybe greater but who cares if the spell is resisted most times? I've been on a Raid last night in Feeroot, Meeting of Minds - guess what? The ice comet was 4 times resisted out of 5 casts. I dont what to say that wizzies suck or something like that, but if you read the forums carefully why do you think so many wizzies are complainig about there class? Its because they cannot use their nukes the way we do. But ok, lets forget about it and just have fun playin <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Cat-o-4 1]

<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=3><EM>By the looks of things, you may have to try both to see which fits your playing style.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=3></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=3>Come to think of it, so will I! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=3></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=3>It's a good thing I have 10 character slots to fill...</FONT></EM></DIV>

[Sac_jok]

<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffff00>>>>chaos overload wrote:<BR></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Of course I've "heard" of Ice Comet and Immolation (a guildie of mine plays a lvl 50 wizzy), but have you heard of the elementar resistances (Fire, Ice) most of the greater mobs have? Ok, I admitt the burst damage maybe greater but who cares if the spell is resisted most times? I've been on a Raid last night in Feeroot, Meeting of Minds - guess what? The ice comet was 4 times resisted out of 5 casts. I dont what to say that wizzies suck or something like that, but if you read the forums carefully why do you think so many wizzies are complainig about there class? Its because they cannot use their nukes the way we do. But ok, lets forget about it and just have fun playin <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><<<</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>That's cool, I wasnt trying to blast you or anything, its just that whether or not wizzy spells hit or gets resisted they have the ability to do the damage. There DPS is mainly gimped due to the fact that they get resisted often, but it doesnt mean we have this "super dps" compared to them. Think of it this way, what is the Devs decided to reduce the resist rate of Raid mobs to wizzy's spell lines then guess what they DO have the dps we have.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>An if you check the posts carfully there main concern is the resist rate and power comsumption, if the Devs actually fix this (in the upcoming Spells/CA fix) Wizzy's are just as good as we are...in a different way.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>And I was only responding aggesively (telling you to do research yourself) because you kinda jumped down yzyh's back for a true comment with a false one of your own.</FONT></DIV>

[yzyh]

<P>Some of you are mainly speaking about Raid DPS while Raid repsent only a very very low % of our fight. Well for many of us.</P> <P>saying that Warlock are kicking wizard ut talking about DPS is irrevelent since most of us wont reach the end raid game.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for grouping EXP Wiz do not have resist problem.</P> <P>Adn well for raiding. Wizard are mana batery.</P> <P> </P> <P>If you do plan to be dps on raids go warlock thats all. Even if the DeV fix the resist on raids. Ubber Guilds will always expect their Wizzy to give their mana to the healers.</P>

[WaachBack]

<DIV>Wizards are better, be a wizard.</DIV>

[Talonis]

<span><blockquote><hr>WaachBack wrote:<div>Wizards are better, be a wizard.</div><hr></blockquote>hehe.....*wink*.... I find it kinda humorous how folks make the generalized statements like "Warlocks are pure DPS" and "Wizards are just mana batteries in raids due to resists" and so on. Both classes are extremely nice in slightly different ways. It all depends on the mob, the group make-up, and the quality of your spells, among many other factors. While doing my fbss recently, I saw first hand what it is like to be a mere mortal against a mob. It seems the named mobs for this particular quest have some crazy stupid high noxious resistances. Instead of my lovely Adept 3 Nil Distortion hitting for 2k, it was hitting for about 250......WITH Adept 3 debuffs AND a Defiler in the group. I was practically useless against Cythan and a couple of his friends.  Time to ditch this [Removed for Content] Warlock and roll a Wizzie? Nope. Just chalk it up to a little situational balance (or in-balance if you like). We will all run into these situations. There are plenty of encouters where one class may shine while another struggles. It is NOT a reason to choose one class over another unless you intend on doing the same encounter over and over. I shrugged off my ineffective performance and moved on to the next encounter. If your goal in the game is to build a toon that is uber-suited to a certain encounter late in the game, then by all means, do your research and pick that one class that suits THAT encounter. But at the end of an average day adventuring, there is little difference in the 'ol Wizzie vs. Warlock discussion. As it has been recommended ad-nauseum  before, pick the one that suits your style. You may find that <u>your style will</u></span><u> evolve with your toon</u>. At one point in my game, I found myself chomping at the bit, waiting for those seemingly slow-poke debuffs to get off so I could dump Nil Distortion and see that 4-digit number float up above the mobs head and read the /gsay's ooohing and aaaahing over the hit. I'm getting much more oohs and aahs these days over a timely casted Adept 3 Bony Grasp that saves the day on a bad pull or loss of aggro (never by ME of course, *wink*). I find myself with so many useful debuffs, DoTs, stuns, and even a couple of spells that give some mana pump and drain, I sometimes never get off a nuke. No complaints. Dead mob, living group. Onto the next one. GL in your decision. Either way, both are solid choices. <div></div>

[Nebulari]

<DIV>Very well said.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Warlocks are a non-common charachter type IMHO.  I am finding that even though I was a bit mislead and put off by the description of "masters of poison" I am glad that I was able to look past a poor description and pick a class that is really close to my play style.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get to help the tank with some cool poison buffs, we have some decent group buffs even if they are not as uber as some other classes they are still useful.  A Warlock can nuke certtain mobs and drain them down to near nothing  with a debuff prior to casting Dark Distortion Adept three.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Over all I love this class but I also love grouping with Wizards.  It is all about finding people (not classes) that have a similiar approach to the game and play style.  This can really make a group shine no matter what abilities your toon has.</DIV>

[Crono1321]

FYI- Immolation does not do 2000 DD, it does that much over 8 seconds... <div></div>