Is warlocks are only for DPS ?

[yzyh]

<DIV>Well we do have some buff like every class in this game. But is warlock are only casting dmg spell and buffs ? If their is an add the warlock can mezz or stun it to help the group ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also is warlock are a part of the tanking group ? Or our buff are not that good to help the main tank <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Fepp]

We can Getto Mez - which is using frozen manacles to root adds. Disadvantage off this is the mob is only rooted - it will still hit you if its close enough. So ideally you should root it before it aggro's the group.We have a few buffs, we have 2 lines of procs - which I dont really notice doing much (still cast them though).We can pass mana to others in group - but this spell is pretty crappy, wizards are meant to be much better at this.Pretty much we are just pure damage

[Deathspell]

Is it? only pure damage? I think you are right... but I thought Wizards and Warlocks did the same amount of damage. Then, I grouped with a wizard and he used his evac spell... I thought it would just move the Wizard a few meters to confuse the mob,... but this is a group evac and it evacs all the way back to the (safe) entrance of the zone...Just like with Swashbucklers. I don't wanna nerf Wizards, but god, did I miss something there?? Now I know why these questions are asked in some situation: - Don't you have group invis? - Don't you have rez? - Don't you have evac? All were surprised when I answered "no". Then, they ask, "What did you get then? Every class must have a special ability." I did not know, can someone tell me? lol coz I really think Wizard/Warlock had the same amount of damage output. For the first time I felt outclassed by other classes really. <div></div>

[fed]

We have zip nothing nada... (that wizzies don't have)We USED to have a cool fear spell, but it got nerfed into near uselessness. The only thing we're better at then wizzies is sustained damage per second (yes wizards are better at burst damage as well), and even our (slightly) superior dps will probably get nerfed soon enough as well...

[Deathspell]

I guess we have "slightly superior" buffs or smth. But, what you think people will notice more during the game? The evac? The group invis? The rez? or the 10-minute buff? It's just I feel completely useless after I've grouped with some people the last week: - The swashbuckler who let us explore throughout entire Lavastorm with his group invis. - The wizard who saved us/time with group evac. - The paladin with his rez while we had no healer in the group. I honestly don't wanna see other classes get nerfed, I've a paladin and other alts as well, but my Warlock is my main toon... oh well, it's been rehashed a zillion times in other threads. Sorry :/ <div></div>

[WaachBack]

<P>IMHO we are</P> <P>80% DPS 20% utility</P> <P>Wizards are 75% DPS 25% utility</P>

[Sensi]

<P>If you can manage to teach a group the joys of Bony Grasp it can be pretty impressive - let tank pull mobs into group then root them, all stand back and those with range damage assist main nuker in going nuke crazy without worrying about aggro, by the time root breaks there should only be 1 or 2 mobs that the tank can handle in the usual way, or wait 10secs and re-root and repeat. Much safer and quicker than the usual method, the hard bit is getting it through to the tank that he can stand back & do nothing for a bit.</P> <P>Evac & group invis are all very nice but theyare wimp out spells for when your group can't cope.</P> <P>Sensine</P> <P>Level 44 Warlock</P> <P>Innothule</P>

[Hypnosi]

<P>Yes Warlocks are very single sided, we can only do Damage.. but single sided also means we are the best at it in the game!!!</P> <P>Dont cry "nerf wizzys" cause they dont even come close to our DPS<BR>Warlock buffs gives a little more out of combat power regen than wizzys</P> <P>Already at lvl 44 you need to watch out, or you will steal hate from your Raid MT (lvl 50 guard)<BR>Thats not cause he's a n00b, but because you as a warlock pushed your DPS to high.</P> <P>I only wanna do one thing, and that is nuke! <BR>If you wanna do other stuff, take another class, and settle for being lower in the DPS chain.</P> <P>IMO most classes are very well balanced, you just gotta play your character to the max:smileywink:</P> <P>------------------------------------------<BR>I am the past, Pre-sense and Future</P> <P>Timio<BR>46 warlock - Permafrost<BR>37 Monk - Permafrost (neosan)<BR>32 Wizard - Runnyeye (Saladin)</P>

[Deathspell]

Nuking is cool, that's why I became a mage class, but i've always been told that Warlocks AND Wizards were THE classes to choose if you wanted nukes. I don't cry to nerf the wiz class, but I just wonder what we get in place to make the gameplay equally interesting. I'm sure most of you are experienced players, so I don't need to say how usefull and convenient a group evac can be, right? If Bony Grap is our "special ability"... well wizards have AE root as well. @Hypnosium, I have other alts, so I know their "special abilities". <div></div>

[Sac_jok]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>Well the down side is if you ask for us to have Depart (aka Evac) then they have every right to request better DPS and better mana effeciency right?</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>But, in doing this that will make us almost useless as well as make BOTH classes exactly the same withthe only difference being they use Elemental damage and we use Noctive damage. Talk to the MAJORITY or wizzy's they dont use the Depart as an emergency Evac (most of the time) because it has a long cast time and can be interrupted, not to mention they cannot move during the cast the same way a scout can...they use it as a travel spell. It can come in handy true enough, but it is not as practical as it appears.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>We may not have an "emergency" ability, but we have the constant ability to use less mana per cast making us put out better DPS for longer periods of time. We also have Bony Grasp, which in a sense if emergency spell...cast it, root the mob, scout use evac with almost no worries...Wizzy's AE root doesnt work nearly as good. We are part of a group and can be very appreciated for keeping mobs at bay while the group gets to safety. All classes don't get a special ability or emergency ability right? </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>Everyone else is asking SOE to nerf our class, so at this point I don't think we should complain about ANYTHING other classes have, we should stick to asking for <STRONG><U>OUR</U></STRONG> spells to get fixed for now...we have more than enough at our disposal to work with currently (we cant have everything other classes already complain that we do). If SOE gives us Depart, they might just take our DPS...think about it, do you want to be the <STRONG><U>constant</U> </STRONG>DPS king or the have a <STRONG><U>rarely</U> </STRONG>used Evac spell? I'd say constant damage spells over a rarely used spell anytime...let the scouts Evac, I'd rather Nuke.</FONT></P>

[Atd]

<P>Our special ability is to drop Mobs quick with our nukes thats what we do. I have never had a group ask me what I could do for them on my server most people know that with a warlock your group will finish the fights alot quicker and have less down time.</P> <P>It's nice to see " MY god who did 850 damage in one shot on that thing?" I'm level 36 and at 37 we get Nil Distortion and the adept1 version of this does 900 - 1300 damage  THAT is our special ability.</P> <P>Let the wizzies have evac, let the swashies have invis, let the pallys rez. I'm happy with my warlock and all that I group with ask me back time and time again because they know what we can do.</P> <P> </P> <P>Chipper Bogglecog 36 Warlock</P>

[Klanch]

Well said. Both of you. When you are the best at something that is as important as DPS, what more could you want? For those that are not happy with the narrow focus of a warlock, try playing a scout for a while. Then you will be happy with only having the best damage in the game. :smileywink:

[Xaritha]

<P>My main is a 38 defiler.  I enjoy playing that class because of the surprise DPS I can drop.  I can drop 5 dots at once, and after I do a dis/nox mit reducing debuff, my dps grows by 10%.  Now that I'm playing a warlock (just dinged 20, I actually did betrayal on my warlock toon, just for fun), I enjoy the DPS.  I have adept 1 freeze for my warlock, I think at 20 it maxes at 204 damage.  The best DD my defiler has at level 38 maxes at 174.  When my warlock nukes, you see sometimes 50% of the mobs health drop in one shot.  None of the tanks can compare...  I do have to worry about gaining agro from the tank tho...</P> <P>Warlock is all about DD and lots of it.  I'm torn between which toon I wanna play.  I use my 38 defiler to feed gold to my warlock tho, but there just aren't many spells for sale level 20 and under on butcherblock.  I am very pleased with my warlock, I'm glad I chose warlock over wizard, and I'm even more pleased with how the warlock kicks some serious [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  Defilers are pretty sweet too, you just have to know how to play them.</P> <P> </P> <P>-X-</P>

[V4n]

Aye, we really don't do much else besides DPS.  We do it well, and that is enough for me.  Let's hope they don't nerf that. 

[Xaritha]

<P>I played my defiler tonight, grouped with a 41 and 40 warlock with sk tank, ranger and dirge.  (all levels 34 or 35 cept the tank, he was 40).</P> <P> </P> <P>Warlocks kicked butt.  We earned 30% xp in 1.5 hours in Rivervale.  I'm even more impressed with warlock!</P> <P> </P> <P>-X-</P>

[fed]

Well, fact of the matter is that we don't have much utility besides killer dps. BUT, that's fine with me, as long as we remain at the top of the DPS foodchain... time will tell though. It's fine as it is, evac and invis are nice. Dps is nicer.

[Deathspell]

Well, I was of the opinion that Wizards could throw in 1000-1700 nukes as well. But if our ability is to do significantly more damage, then I know what we have in stead <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[MilkToa]

The damage you can do once you get Nil Distortion at level 37 is very impressive. I was lucky enough to get a master of Nil Distortion off the broker and was hitting for a maximum of 1900 to 2000 immediately (at level 37).

[zaneluke]

I will take my high damage spell over evac any day. We do damage and quite a bit of it. I really do not know if the mystic will ever get dusted off again, except to make the warlock food. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Deathspell]

Can anyone post stats on Nil Distortion Adept 3 ? <div></div>

[Renshiren]

<DIV>Nil Distortion Adept 3</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am hitting for 1000 to 1200.  Max of 1600</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And very happy and being JUST DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kathuk</DIV> <DIV>39 Warlock </DIV>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deathspell wrote:<BR>Can anyone post stats on Nil Distortion Adept 3 ?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not sure about Adept 3, but Master 1 at level 44 has a maximum damage of 2445.

[Ranvi]

Our main utility is our buffs. Look we have wicked gift and at master 1 the spell adds like an extra 368 mana to everyone who is in the group. At this point of the game 360 ish extra mana is quite significant. All that mana makes our group dps quite a bit more than other groups and "every bit of dps counts."

[Tanatus]

<DIV>ND Adp 3 </DIV> <DIV>lvl 44 max hit 1947</DIV> <DIV>lvl 50 max hit 2106</DIV> <DIV>ND Master 1</DIV> <DIV>lvl 50 max hit 2601</DIV>

[Talonis]

<span><blockquote><hr>Sac_joker wrote:<p><font color="#ff0000" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Well the down side is if you ask for us to have Depart (aka Evac) then they have every right to request better DPS and better mana effeciency right?</font></p> <p><font color="#ff0000" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">But, in doing this that will make us almost useless as well as make BOTH classes exactly the same withthe only difference being they use Elemental damage and we use Noctive damage. Talk to the MAJORITY or wizzy's they dont use the Depart as an emergency Evac (most of the time) because it has a long cast time and can be interrupted, not to mention they cannot move during the cast the same way a scout can...they use it as a travel spell. It can come in handy true enough, but it is not as practical as it appears.</font></p> <p><font color="#ff0000" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">We may not have an "emergency" ability, but we have the constant ability to use less mana per cast making us put out better DPS for longer periods of time. We also have Bony Grasp, which in a sense if emergency spell...cast it, root the mob, scout use evac with almost no worries...Wizzy's AE root doesnt work nearly as good. We are part of a group and can be very appreciated for keeping mobs at bay while the group gets to safety. All classes don't get a special ability or emergency ability right? </font></p> <p><font color="#ff0000" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Everyone else is asking SOE to nerf our class, so at this point I don't think we should complain about ANYTHING other classes have, we should stick to asking for <strong><u>OUR</u></strong> spells to get fixed for now...we have more than enough at our disposal to work with currently (we cant have everything other classes already complain that we do). If SOE gives us Depart, they might just take our DPS...think about it, do you want to be the <strong><u>constant</u> </strong>DPS king or the have a <strong><u>rarely</u> </strong>used Evac spell? I'd say constant damage spells over a rarely used spell anytime...let the scouts Evac, I'd rather Nuke.</font></p><hr></blockquote>5 stars for you, Sac. Well said.</span><div></div>

[Dhashi]

Ya, our power pool buffs are far superior to wizzies. When I'm fully self buffed with all my power pool related buffs at least adept 1, I have far more power than a well kitted out 50 wizard. I can only imagine this being even better at 50 (only 47 atm). I'm not bothered about our lack of utility, go look at a class like ranger. They're meant to be dps based too, but the only "utility" spells they have is evac and single target invis. We also have invis but move far faster while under its influence. And we still outdamage said class. I wouldn't be worried about our "lack of utility" considering we already have some awesome buffs and pretty much the highest dps in game. <div></div>

[Junaru]

You also forget Warlocks get better trifes and stuns then Wizards do. In the end DPS is king. <div></div>

[Sac_jok]

Thanks Scooby. :smileyhappy:

[Bjerde]

Generally, most people in the game  that I have come across agree that warlocks are best for DPS.  Wizards, who are fire/ice based seem to be getting resisted a lot on raid mobs (others may be able to comment better on this). Wizards also don't get to do all damage output in raids....once the fight really gets going wizzys are used to feed mana to healers and/or tank. As far as evac, all scouts have it, SK gets it (at 45?), wiz has it. Usually you will be able to evac in a group at higher level. So, you will end up not even using it as much as you would think (except for getting thru zone fast when travelling) because scout will be default party member to use it anyway....at least in my experience. Rangers and assassins should be pure DPS, but they are not doing so well right now. We shall see after the combat changes go into place, but be happy you guys are at the top of the pile for DPS. <div></div>

[Tanatus]

Well rangers and assasins supose to be utility classes not DPS .... you missing up with coercers and illusionist those supose to be mental DPS classes but ... even templar can easy outdamage coercer

[yzyh]

Tanatus is right. SoE said that Wiz/Warlock  are supose to be the  2 best DPS class in this ame. Currently some scout class can do betther with good weapons/items so SoE are going to fix it.

[Aral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanatus wrote:<BR>Well rangers and assasins supose to be utility classes not DPS .... <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>R O F L</P> <P><BR>Some predators are going to have an aneurism if they see this.  And to think someone agreed with it! <BR></P>

[Aral]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR>Tanatus is right. SoE said that Wiz/Warlock  are supose to be the  2 best DPS class in this ame. Currently some scout class can do betther with good weapons/items so SoE are going to fix it. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>To follow up - Wiz/Warlock ARE the 2 best dps in game right now.  Followed by Bruiser and Berserker - fighter and tanking classes, not those "utility" scouts <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aralys wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR>Tanatus is right. SoE said that Wiz/Warlock  are supose to be the  2 best DPS class in this ame. Currently some scout class can do betther with good weapons/items so SoE are going to fix it. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>To follow up - Wiz/Warlock ARE the 2 best dps in game right now.  Followed by Bruiser and Berserker - fighter and tanking classes, not those "utility" scouts <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Accorrind to SoE, not at high end. Wiz/warlock items that add Int and their weaposn do not boost their DPS instead of zerker/bruiser and scout were str boost they dps as well as weapons.</P> <P>High end equiped melee outdamage Wiz/locks according to SoE.</P> <P> </P> <P>Also they said they were going to nerf the dps of some class to be sure they can't outmatch Wiz/lock in the end game.</P> <P> </P> <P>But I didn't know that EQ2 class were that unbalanced. How in the world a tank class can also be in the top dps class ? thats ridiculous.</P>

[Tanatus]

Nah not really well geared warlock will outdamage any melee any day of week and twice on sunday... as long as mob dont have abnormal high resist to poison (Vene, Cursed ...)

[Ranvi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P><STRONG>yzyh wrote:<BR></STRONG>      </P> <P>       <EM>High end equiped melee outdamage Wiz/locks according to SoE.<BR></EM></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>'tis true. Wiz and Warlock dps is totally gimpy when compared to serkers and bruisers. Especially warlock dps because...I don't know. But yes...please...give the sorc subclasses more dps...but mainly warlocks because wizards can evac and mezz and have better lore and what-not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please do provide us warlocks with an actual concussion type spell also, k thx.</DIV>

[yzyh]

<DIV>You guys read the SoE post sometimes ? its not me that say that warlock get outdamage by some melee that have high stats and ubber weapons. Thats SoE posters. They said thats one fo the reaosn why they are working on int/wiz to help wiz/warlock with their DPS and they will going to nerf some melee ability that can outdamage use in some high end grouping situation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So well if its not true. This nerf will make us overpowered.</DIV>

[Weekst]

<DIV>Highest melee hit in game Assassins hands down:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=meleeHitRankSwide&type=HighestMeleeHit" target=_blank><FONT color=#ffffff>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=meleeHitRankSwide&type=HighestMeleeHit</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Highest MAGIC HIT in game is  a Guardian doing a rare HO:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankSwide&type=HighestMagicalHit" target=_blank><FONT color=#ffffff>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankSwide&type=HighestMagicalHit</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This would all be mute if they would just fix the spells we already have since they modified spells in the 30ish range but not in the 40-50 range. Wizards and Warlocks both got spells in the 40-50 that are replacements to the 30ish range but many of them are like level 10-20 in power in comparison.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Weekster on <span class=date_text>05-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 AM</span>

[Talonis]

<span><blockquote><hr>Weekster wrote:<div></div> <div>Highest melee hit in game Assassins hands down:</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=meleeHitRankSwide&type=HighestMeleeHit" target="_blank"><font color="#ffffff">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=meleeHitRankSwide&type=HighestMeleeHit</font></a></div> <div> </div> <div>Highest MAGIC HIT in game is  a Guardian doing a rare HO:</div> <div> </div> <div><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankSwide&type=HighestMagicalHit" target="_blank"><font color="#ffffff">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_swrankings_detailed.vm?action=CharacterAgg. getByRankSwide&rank=magicHitRankSwide&type=HighestMagicalHit</font></a></div> <div> </div> <div>This would all be mute if they would just fix the spells we already have since they modified spells in the 30ish range but not in the 40-50 range. Wizards and Warlocks both got spells in the 40-50 that are replacements to the 30ish range but many of them are like level 10-20 in power in comparison.</div><p>Message Edited by Weekster on <span class="date_text">05-28-2005</span> <span class="time_text">02:10 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Those high melee and magic hits are somewhat misleading. I hate those stats. Those guys aren't hitting for that kind of damage in every fight, on every hit. The Assassins that are hitting for 2.9k damage are nice, but they can't do that every 11 seconds... I get to cast Nil Distortion (Adept III) every 11 seconds. Throw a shot of BSS, Noxious Bolt  (Adept III), Ice Flame (Adept III), and good 'ol Ice Spike (Adept III) in there between refreshes, and you've got DPS that has every single party member more than doubled (your results may vary).  If you spend the time and gold, every Warlock is capable of that outcome. We won't be showing up on those lists, but while those players shined for a moment and walked among (briefly surpassing) us Warlocks, we spend EVERY battle with [just below] those numbers. Keep your Wall of Fame lists.......I'm happy with knowing who really rules the 'DPS Roost'.....</span><div></div>

[Panad]

Aye, we do great damage and I love that and I'd never trade that for some utility spell. Let's just hope that SOE won't nerf us due to all the "nerf the warlocks!" shouts by all other classes...<span>:smileysad</span>

[yzyh]

Nerf priest and shamans. Oh wait this is not World of Warcraft Forums ?

[Crystal Arine]

<P>Well, I'm a level 27 Guardian (yeah pretty low) and have been thinking about making a Warlock for the exact same reason I chose my Guardian. That is they are the best. Guardian = best tank, Warlock = best dps.</P> <P>Anyway yesterday this was my grp killing gnolls...</P> <P>Me (was 26 at this time)</P> <P>Warlock level 30</P> <P>Defiler level 27</P> <P>We destroyed everything!:smileyvery-happy: Nothing could break us, at one point we must have had 3 level 27 ^^. The Warlock was dropping them like rocks,almost chain casting.</P> <P>Lucky for me though my taunts are adept 1 so I didn't loose arrgo.</P> <P>Now today...</P> <P>I really got lucky and made an awsome xp grp, this was it (I think)</P> <P>Me (still 26 didn't ding till the end of the night)</P> <P>Warlock level 30</P> <P>Conjurer level 29</P> <P>Assassin level 28</P> <P>Mystic level 24</P> <P>Necro level 29</P> <P>It was really tough keepting arrgo from the Warlock mostly but once and awhile the Conjurers pet took argo (Adept 3) but I did what Guardians do best and tanked my heart out:smileyhappy:. It was an awsome night got about 100% in 5 hrs.</P> <P>So really don't worry about what your "special ability" is. Whats Guardians?</P> <P>WE TANK and YOU ARE THE "D" IN DPS:smileywink:</P> <P>cya all !!</P> <P> </P>

[Sac_jok]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Crystal Arine wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>Well, I'm a level 27 Guardian (yeah pretty low) and have been thinking about making a Warlock for the exact same reason I chose my Guardian. That is they are the best. Guardian = best tank, Warlock = best dps.</STRONG></FONT></P> <P>Anyway yesterday this was my grp killing gnolls...</P> <P>Me (was 26 at this time)</P> <P>Warlock level 30</P> <P>Defiler level 27</P> <P>We destroyed everything!:smileyvery-happy: Nothing could break us, at one point we must have had 3 level 27 ^^. The Warlock was dropping them like rocks,almost chain casting.</P> <P>Lucky for me though my taunts are adept 1 so I didn't loose arrgo.</P> <P>Now today...</P> <P>I really got lucky and made an awsome xp grp, this was it (I think)</P> <P>Me (still 26 didn't ding till the end of the night)</P> <P>Warlock level 30</P> <P>Conjurer level 29</P> <P>Assassin level 28</P> <P>Mystic level 24</P> <P>Necro level 29</P> <P>It was really tough keepting arrgo from the Warlock mostly but once and awhile the Conjurers pet took argo (Adept 3) but I did what Guardians do best and tanked my heart out:smileyhappy:. It was an awsome night got about 100% in 5 hrs.</P> <P>So really don't worry about what your "special ability" is. Whats Guardians?</P> <P>WE TANK and YOU ARE THE "D" IN DPS:smileywink:</P> <P>cya all !!</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>I really hate to sound like an arsehole and really hate to sound mean (well not really in this situation) but, if you are thinking of rolling a Warlock to be the BEST DPS then do ALL of us current Warlocks a favor...<STRONG><U>DON'T ROLL A WARLOCK</U></STRONG>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>Majority of us didn't chose this class to be the best dps (and please don't post things like this since we already get the "NERF THEM" cry)...many of the Lv50's were around BEFORE we had the best dps and many will stay if we lose the BEST DPS slot.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>We play the class because we LIKE to play the class.</FONT><BR></DIV>

[yzyh]

<DIV>Myself I wouldn't  stay if we would lose our best dps rank. Warlock is all about DPS. We have no real utility spell. (we have some buff like every class but thats it) We have cloth user and have no pet. We cant be tank, off tank, Main debuffer, main buffer in anything. So what wopuld be our use if we wouldn't be in the top2 DPS class ?</DIV>

[Sac_jok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>Myself I wouldn't  stay if we would lose our best dps rank. Warlock is all about DPS. We have no real utility spell. (we have some buff like every class but thats it) We have cloth user and have no pet. We cant be tank, off tank, Main debuffer, main buffer in anything. <FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>So what wopuld be our use if we wouldn't be in the top2 DPS class ?</STRONG></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>You do realize that Warlocks were not alway the top DPS right? What was the reason people played Warlock before we received our DPS boost?</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>If someone who played Warlock since Day 1 could answer this question that would help.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ff0000 size=2>I personaly would stay, I enjoy playing the class because of the spells effects and the fact that I am the ONLY active one (main Warlock) in my guild.</FONT></P>

[Moghedan_Car]

I played a dirge to 50, and months after getting 50. I have done everything for others that can be done. Now I buff a group in a raid, and play rez slave.Yesterday my Froglok became a Warlok.I want to follow a group around, not buff a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing, not have a single responability to "Save the group", and make things fall down. Lots of things fall down. I just want to be really good at making things fall down. I want to see really big numbers, maybe even lots of really big numbers. I do not care about cast time, or recast. I just want to hear big booms and be completely oblivious to what the rest of the group is doing for the most part.I would like to be able to play with groupchat turned off. i do not care what they could possibly have to say. If they are typing, they are not fighting. If they are not fighting, then I cannot make anything fall down. This would make me unhappy.I for sure never want to be berated in tells by two people at the same time, one telling me I evaced too early, and the other saying I evaced too late. I never want to hear people's opinions of my buff lineup. I do not want to hear about people's ill formed opinions of which debuff to use. The only thing people should be allowed to say to me is [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]... that is a big number. You really know how to make things fall down. DPS is meaningless... I just want to make things fall down.Also, I do nto wish to care which side of the mob I face. I do not wish to run around trying to stand in a particular spot to make a CA go off. I want to stand over there, in the same place I have stood for the last hour, making things fall down. The rest of the group are like my pets... they bring the mob to me, make the mob stay in one place, and I make it fall down. Except, maybe a little less chatty than pets. I do not want my pets to respond to every order I give, because I do not want to have to give orders. I want my pets to already know what to do to make me happy. They bring me things to make fall down.Or I turn them into toads. That makes me happy too. I might make them toads anyway. Anyone taller than my froglok makes me unhappy.I think this makes me a warlok. Some people disagree. Some people say it makes a poorly played warlok. I played a dirge. I played a great dirge. My reward was to be a rez slave. And to buff a group, if the good buffer for the group was not around. Now I only care about me. They should make me happy.I think I will turn them all into toads anyway.

[Kven]

<DIV>I personally play an assassin (48, about to ding 49) and my 35 warlock.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I love DPS (can ya tell?).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I play my assassin very well, and I am usually pretty [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] close if not above the warlocks in DPS (using ebon leafblades).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Our debuffs work well with yours as well... we debuff poison <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I also love my warlock, having a blast... all Adept III's pretty much.  I have 1.5 levels until I get to scribe my Nil Distortion ( Adept III ).  I can't wait <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Both classes are fun, but the assassin takes a lot of work to do his DPS (and money).  So the warlock is my escape from the finger gymnastics and </DIV> <DIV>money sink that is my assassin.  I love both, I just love doing DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW if you think I'm joking about DPS hanging w/ a warlock, come test me, name is Zolder on Nektulos <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Play the class right and you'd be amazed how</DIV> <DIV>high Assassins can go.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bottom line, both rock and I love being a damage machine.</DIV>

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moghedan_Carns wrote:<BR>I played a dirge to 50, and months after getting 50. I have done everything for others that can be done. Now I buff a group in a raid, and play rez slave.<BR><BR>Yesterday my Froglok became a Warlok.<BR><BR>I want to follow a group around, not buff a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing, not have a single responability to "Save the group", and make things fall down. Lots of things fall down. I just want to be really good at making things fall down. I want to see really big numbers, maybe even lots of really big numbers. I do not care about cast time, or recast. I just want to hear big booms and be completely oblivious to what the rest of the group is doing for the most part.<BR><BR>I would like to be able to play with groupchat turned off. i do not care what they could possibly have to say. If they are typing, they are not fighting. If they are not fighting, then I cannot make anything fall down. This would make me unhappy.<BR><BR>I for sure never want to be berated in tells by two people at the same time, one telling me I evaced too early, and the other saying I evaced too late. I never want to hear people's opinions of my buff lineup. I do not want to hear about people's ill formed opinions of which debuff to use. The only thing people should be allowed to say to me is [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]... that is a big number. You really know how to make things fall down. DPS is meaningless... I just want to make things fall down.<BR><BR>Also, I do nto wish to care which side of the mob I face. I do not wish to run around trying to stand in a particular spot to make a CA go off. I want to stand over there, in the same place I have stood for the last hour, making things fall down. The rest of the group are like my pets... they bring the mob to me, make the mob stay in one place, and I make it fall down. Except, maybe a little less chatty than pets. I do not want my pets to respond to every order I give, because I do not want to have to give orders. I want my pets to already know what to do to make me happy. They bring me things to make fall down.<BR><BR>Or I turn them into toads. That makes me happy too. I might make them toads anyway. Anyone taller than my froglok makes me unhappy.<BR><BR>I think this makes me a warlok. Some people disagree. Some people say it makes a poorly played warlok. I played a dirge. I played a great dirge. My reward was to be a rez slave. And to buff a group, if the good buffer for the group was not around. Now I only care about me. They should make me happy.<BR><BR>I think I will turn them all into toads anyway.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>My question is why did you made a dirge if you didn't wanted to be a buffer ? yeah well I knwo that bard DPS in EQ1 were one fo the bst in game when played right and in the right zone but that was just bcuz you could charm <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Thats always funy to outdamage a rogues in EQ1 and still beeing able to buff/ CC and Pull.</P> <P> </P> <P>EQ1 Bard >>>>>>>>>> Dirge/troubadour</P>

[Moghedan_Car]

My question is why did you made a dirge if you didn't wanted to be a buffer ? Being a buffer is fine. Being a completely trival buffer is not fine. Being a buffer with buffs less powerful than character gear is a crime.Helping others is good and noble. Oddly, 4 of the 5 least played classes on EVERY server are the two bards and the two enchanters. They are among the least straight forward, least linear, and most complex classes in the game. It takes months of practice to know exactly which buffs to use with which debuffs against which mobs, when to fear, when not to fear, and how to manage that precious resource pool called conc to allow that which you need when you need it. All this while watching the exact number of buffs, debuffs, and when exactly you cast the buffs to avoid pulling aggro off any tank in the game. At any given time, there are less than 10 active players of each class post 40 per server.YET EVERY FRIGGEN JACKWAD ON THE FACE OF NORRATH THINKS HE CAN TELL YOU WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT, AS IF THEY IN SOME WAY KNEW ANYTHING WORTH LISTENING TOO.Or, I can tell all of Norrath to screw off, play a tank or a warlok, mash one dang button over and over and over, completely ignore the full potential of my class, and still be regarded as a god while doing it so poorly. And maybe... turn them into toads.

[Zaphenath]

<P>I just wanted to toss in my thoughts on the subject.</P> <P>Out of all my combatstats parses, my warlock will consistantly douple the DPS of just about anybody in my group. I've actually only really grouped with 2 assassins while my parser was running.  </P> <P>In the first case I was doubling and sometimes tripling the Assassin.  Now I have an assassin myself and I can watch another player play and determine if they know what they're doing. By watching this player it was pretty much apparent that she didn't know what she was doing. She never went invis during a fight, not once. And an assassins best strikes are from an invis possition. </P> <P>In the second case the assassin wasn't too far under me. I still beat him almost every fight, by a decent amount. If we got a highly resisted mob on the pull sometimes he would close in on me.  Either way, on an average pull I was still quite a bit higher than him in dps.  I'd love to post the actual stats but it's been too long to recall that.</P> <P>My point here is; the way an assassin plays his character is what his dps really depends on. Poor player, poor dps.  Which is why I like my assassin so much, I think it takes thought to play them. </P> <P>Maximizing dps as a warlock isn't quite as difficult, but that's just because we're better at it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Well I feel like we're better at it and my parsing has told me that is true. </P> <P>Anywho, that's my 2 cents.</P> <P>(one more comment, the assassin might have the highest hits, but that's from their assassination skill which can only be used like every hour or longer, so don't expect to see an assassin slaughtering like that every fight, let alone every 40 fights. With a strike like that they probably reserve the hit for emergencies, such as a harm touch).</P> <P> </P>

[Ker]

<DIV>We are not at the top of the DPS at the end game...ask any warlock in a raiding guild.  In fact, I was just discussing this with another 50 warlock on my server and he's seeing their tanks push DPS over 300 on raids.  I haven't parsed recently because I was tired of seeing it and waiting to see what the INT change does for us, but when the meleers get the high end gear that has an effect on their damage output and we're limited to our spells and recast timers, you're going to see these disparities.  It's not the end of the world.  To answer the OPs question, we are a DPS class with a few utilities, but our role in raids and groups will always be damage output and few are capable of competing with us in that role.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oberin</DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Keepers of the Faith</STRONG></DIV> <DIV>Guk</DIV>