Impending nerf to warlock damage.

[Tybr]

<DIV>Now that I have your attention I think it would be best if everyone refrains from the I'm uber watch me solo UBERMOBXXX ^^.... Although I really like watching the videos (very cool) and I know it's just for fun...the negitive press screams "NERF them!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a thought.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just to point out my concern...This post is titled "Wizards could never do this." As the post is on the Test boards..I'm sure it will get some notice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=16456" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=16456</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT: Put in link</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tybr on <span class=date_text>05-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:33 PM</span>

[Tybr]

<P>Oh forgot to add...thanks in advance to the 1 star bandits out there<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P> </P> <P>I'm sure its coming.:smileyvery-happy:</P><p>Message Edited by Tybr on <span class=date_text>05-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:44 PM</span>

[Splintered]

<DIV>Couldn't agree more, though its great to see our capabilities, it would perhaps be better to write a guide on how to solo at lvl 45 or perhaps 50. Thus this leaves the true possibilities up to the individual person and doesn't make one persons outstanding achievements the yardstick for which our class is judged by.</DIV>

[Tybr]

Nicely said..../bow

[SaintJere]

interesting thread.  so far i have made a point of being quiet, as it was obvious that no one who replied to the threads i posted cared about balance, and most actually believed that there was nothing wrong with the things i mentioned.  so i simply checked in to see what nasty things people would post about me, and wondered if i was the only person who saw a problem.  a reduction to warlock power as a game balance device does not need to be some catastrophic reduction in our effectiveness.  for one thing, sony has a lot of experience with MMO's and they know how to do these things.  the three spells i take issue with ( bony grasp, nil distortion, and to a lesser degree dark distortion) do not need to be rendered useless by a nerf.  they can be adjusted and still function well.  My sole fear is that when sony adjusts the warlock they will make us into a DOT class. that would be the one thing i could not bear.  We are PURE NUKERS, not some combo, not some hybrid, PURE NUKERS!!!   It is a significant investment in time to kill your way past 40 and to have your class change completely after all that work is too much.  I did not go to all the trouble of leveling myself up to turn into a DOT class, I will never play a DOT class again.  If SOE  wants to make us a DOT class then i plead for them to please let us turn into wizards instead. Dont stop posting movies that illustrate good play just because you think that if you dont you can stealth past SOE and they wont adjust Warlocks to be more in line with other Very high DPS classes.  that is refreshingly naive, but not realistic. The other thing to consider is that sony is not going to simply reduce all our spells damage by 20 percent or something equally simplistic.  if SOE instead fixed our spells that are useless while simultaeneously rebalancing the spells that are too strong atm then we may well end up very similarily powered.  And please note that all of these i soloed some mob features are only possible becuase bony grasp is INSANELY broken.  unless the SK harmtouch lets you touch of cazic things then i cant think of anyway a spell could be more broken. YT jeremy, aka tyrant (unrest server) <div></div>

[Soefje]

<div></div>Guess what, wizards can solo too.  <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=11070" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=11070</a> Should we call to nerf them, NO!  I hate the fact that the higher level warlocks, yes take a look it is always the 45+ guys, are so paranoid that their class will be nerfed.  I know it is not all high level warlocks, but those guys that are always worried what their DPS is.  It is the same people that post the parsing data and get mad b/c someone out 10 DPS them by 10.  It is the same people that post "wizard vs warlock, who does more damage".  Who cares!.  Can you kill MOBs?  Do you work well in a group?  Are you having fun?  This is a role playing game.  If you want to do uber damage play Doom 3. Keep posting successful kills, show us how to play better, show us how to use spells and combinations of spells most effectively.  This will improve the game overall.  If Sony changes the warlock, adjust.  Or become a wizard, then you can complain all you want.   <div></div><p>Message Edited by Soefje on <span class=date_text>05-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:03 AM</span>

[kesi]

<DIV>I don't buy into nerfing classes, it is far better to improve the other classes than to nerf a class and basically Po everyone playing it. One of the quickest ways to lose a customer is to start nerfing everything.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To back up my point, when Soe started nerfing classes/professions in Swg with in a few months everyone I knew had quit including me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>~k</DIV>

[Frozen]

They are revamping the entire skill/spell system, so its no point not to post anything you have achived.

[tiki-jiki]

I dont forsee a massive nerf to warlocks. We are meant to be at the top of the heap damage wise, along with wizards. I dont think you should be able to solo epic mobs, but that is more of a problem with those mobs not our abilities. <div></div>

[SunT]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tiki-jiki wrote:<BR>I dont forsee a massive nerf to warlocks. We are meant to be at the top of the heap damage wise, along with wizards. I dont think you should be able to solo epic mobs, but that is more of a problem with those mobs not our abilities.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I dont think nerfing casters is even on the table.  The plan is to balance DPS and Mob effectivness.  Mage/scout are suposed to be at the top of DPS.  Mobs are supposed to hit tanks.  These two things are currently not always accurate.</P> <P>I can out DPS some Mage/Scout classes with my Pally and some epic...many epic mobs, cannot hit me at all.  So soloing epics is trivial for tanks.  Healers can out DPS some Scouts and Some Mages, this is also not as intended.</P> <P>I do not think the Warlock should be concerned about a Nerf, BUT if Warlocks are too loud and too Cocky about being able to solo XUberMob, you are begging for one.</P> <P>I think what we will see after the patch will be that if you get touched more than once by an epic you are dead.  Your defense will be nerfed and thier offense will be enhanced.  The rest of the DPS will be on par with Warlock damage.  Healers and tanks will have [Removed for Content] DPS but be more effective in their primary jobs.  At least that is the plan.   </P>

[Soefje]

<P>One of the things that I find interesting is that everytime someone posts a success against an uber MOB, the cry is to nerf the class (or concern is that the class will be nerfed).  Why not ninja the MOB?  If the MOB is supposed to be epic and is being soloed effectively, then increase the MOB.  Looks like it would be easier to change the damage, resists, etc. of one MOB than to try to spend so much time nerfing a class.</P> <P>So, if you have problems with a MOB being defeated, call for the increase in the MOB not in a decrease in a class (any class).</P>

[Tanatus]

<DIV>Ppl DPS wont be nerfed ... what can be nerfed is our CC abilities (namely roots)</DIV>

[tiki-jiki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Tanatus wrote:<div>Ppl DPS wont be nerfed ... what can be nerfed is our CC abilities (namely roots)</div><hr></blockquote>I agree with tanatus, but keeping an epic mob completely rooted is rediculous. But they shouldnt nerf roots too badly or we wont be able to solo at all. All classes should have the ability to solo mobs of equal level effictively. If they made epic mobs highly resistent to roots that would solve a lot of problems.</span><div></div>

[Uzzaden]

Why Nerf the roots. Change the Epic mobs resists. that would solve this issue fast <div></div>

[Marlow]

<DIV>My warlock does little damage, and has very little utility for group members.  The only reason I play him is the time invested.  I sure wish he did more damage and helped the group more.</DIV>

[Tybr]

<DIV>Hmmm...how to respond.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can only speak from my Necro exeriences in EQ1. If "Other" DPS classes exclaim "Nerf their damage...."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Eventually it will happen. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is the change warrented....perhaps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/shrug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Menci]

<DIV>Why would you be a fool and want to have your own class nerfed anyway?  This spell has no effect on Gx4 epic encounters anyway.  Maybe you should invest some time into your comments before you post them</DIV><p>Message Edited by Mencius on <span class=date_text>05-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:29 AM</span>

[Tybr]

<DIV>From Mencius~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Why would you be a fool and want to have your own class nerfed anyway?  This spell has no effect on Gx4 epic encounters anyway.  Maybe you should invest some time into your comments before you post them."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It would help to know to whom your responding to...yes? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps I would then know if saying "read the post before you go ranting" is warrented.</DIV> <DIV>Noone here wants our class nerfed. The point of the post is to prevent it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Though as Saint Jeremy has said, "that is refreshingly naive, but not realistic." to that I say...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/shrug....<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Tybr on <span class=date_text>05-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:51 AM</span>

[Tybr]

Double post.  <p>Message Edited by Tybr on <span class=date_text>05-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:53 AM</span>