What EOF AA's to choose

[richie]

<DIV>Hello,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been really trying to decide which path I want to take on the new aa's and I am having a hard time.  There are alot of good choices.  I like manaburn, but I think it would be waste of 20  points in the power line to get it, and these points would be more useful in heat or cold line.  What setup are the raiding wizards thinking about going with??</DIV>

[Zyphius]

<DIV>Manaburn in it's current incarnation is useless. So, if you don't like the line, then definately don't waste the points for manaburn's sake!</DIV>

[valkyrja]

I'm planing on dump 34 points into heat line.  Then dumping the rest into shielding so I can unlock the range increase.<div></div>

[Ultimatum]

I plan on petitioning until SOE allows me to put my new 50 AAs into the KoS tree <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Joking aside, as a PvP Wizard I'm definately dumping my first 10 AAs into the ward addition to Magi's Shielding...That and 5 points into Rending Icicles are no-brainers.  Other than that, I'll probably max out the heat AAs, and put the rest in cold, hoping to be able to get 4 into Surging Tempest.  None of the final AAs are any good, so I don't have to worry about how many points I put in each line.  Luckily we get a free respec in case SOE decides to open their eyes and rehaul every one of the final Wizard AAs...I'm not holding my breath though.<div></div>

[Zyphius]

<DIV>As a non-PVP casual raider, I will probably do cold (ST and Fusion are a must) and power (Vital Conversion and Vitalic Cropping are a must), with a few in heat. </DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> putergod wrote:<BR> <DIV>As a non-PVP casual raider, I will probably do cold (ST and Fusion are a must) and power (Vital Conversion and Vitalic Cropping are a must), with a few in heat. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I never touch vitalic cropping while raiding.  how do you use it?

[Falcogen]

<DIV>I wish there was a hate dump AA or soe fix the stacking of hate transfers i dont know about the rest of you but doing good dps and not dying is a real problem atm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even with troub buffs etc and no miracles or blessings</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S good = 1800+  and atm 1650 for me is the danger line</DIV><p>Message Edited by ShaneFalco on <span class=date_text>11-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:25 AM</span>

[stepha72]

<P>The non-stacking of hate transfers is really ticking me off.  I started out the other day thinking Pally's Amends had been totally nerfed.  Come to find out anomalism just does not stack with it anymore.   I use to have anomalism and amends and in a normal group I would never get aggro even doing over 19K in one shot.  But, if you use anomalism be prepared to die because it cancels out Amends even though it looks like amends is still on you and it does not say anywhere on anomalism spell that it does not stack with any other spells.</P> <P>Also I was noticing on the raid I was at last night that anomalism does not stack on the main tank.  Say you have two wizards on a raid.  Only one of them gets to use it on the main tank.  That sucks.</P> <P>SoE please fix this previously slightly useful spell into at least what it was before a slightly useful spell.  Instead of pretty much thinking of taking it off my hotbar.</P> <P> </P>

[Ultimatum]

<div><blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<div></div> I never touch vitalic cropping while raiding.  how do you use it?<hr></blockquote>I actually use this a lot now between pulls since it just stifles instead of stuns you, and you can now follow the rest of the raid while it is active.  Occasionally during long fights I'll use it, and for some reason you can still use your Cap of the Arcane Order, as well as Hex Dolls while Cropping is active, so I'll throw up Protoferno, ice shield, and surging tempest, cast Cropping, use my hat and hex dolls, and by that time Cropping is finished and I can resume DPS.  At least we can still do SOMETHING while it's active hehe.  As far an an AA choice, however, that is definately at the bottom of my list.</div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Razerblaze wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR><BR>I never touch vitalic cropping while raiding.  how do you use it?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I actually use this a lot now between pulls since it just stifles instead of stuns you, and you can now follow the rest of the raid while it is active.  Occasionally during long fights I'll use it, and for some reason you can still use your Cap of the Arcane Order, as well as Hex Dolls while Cropping is active, so I'll throw up Protoferno, ice shield, and surging tempest, cast Cropping, use my hat and hex dolls, and by that time Cropping is finished and I can resume DPS.  At least we can still do SOMETHING while it's active hehe.  As far an an AA choice, however, that is definately at the bottom of my list.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>awesome, great tip. I only knew manastone worked while in vitalic crop mode, didn't know hat, and hex dolls worked too.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> stepha72 wrote:<BR> <P>The non-stacking of hate transfers is really ticking me off.  I started out the other day thinking Pally's Amends had been totally nerfed.  Come to find out anomalism just does not stack with it anymore.   I use to have anomalism and amends and in a normal group I would never get aggro even doing over 19K in one shot.  But, if you use anomalism be prepared to die because it cancels out Amends even though it looks like amends is still on you and it does not say anywhere on anomalism spell that it does not stack with any other spells.</P> <P>Also I was noticing on the raid I was at last night that anomalism does not stack on the main tank.  Say you have two wizards on a raid.  Only one of them gets to use it on the main tank.  That sucks.</P> <P>SoE please fix this previously slightly useful spell into at least what it was before a slightly useful spell.  Instead of pretty much thinking of taking it off my hotbar.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>this has been around since it was made a hate transfer.</P> <P>Cast the buff first, before your're amended and you will not have any issues with pulling hate unless you want it.</P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShaneFalco wrote:<BR> <DIV>I wish there was a hate dump AA or soe fix the stacking of hate transfers i dont know about the rest of you but doing good dps and not dying is a real problem atm</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even with troub buffs etc and no miracles or blessings</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S good = 1800+  and atm 1650 for me is the danger line</DIV> <P>Message Edited by ShaneFalco on <SPAN class=date_text>11-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:25 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I haven't had a troubador yet falco, but I did raid freethinkers last night and just had amends, MT had a dirge + assasin for hate gain, and I was pulling 2400 on the single target vampires without pulling agro.</P> <P>were you fighting in one of the KOS instances?  I've read some info that they're being adjusted today because some of the mob nerfs didn't go through to them.</P> <P>Oh and I should mention the paly had the + skill aa so I was almost 400 disrup/subj  (resist rate was 100% not a single spell was resisted for the zone)</P>

[Zyphius]

<DIV>Illu</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've always used it between pulls if power was really low. But with the new changes, I will use it a LOT more. And with the AA for it, it runs its cycle a lot faster, making it even MORE useful!</DIV>

[Mirander_1]

<div></div>As a soloer, my AA plan so far is to max out Magi's Shielding for that ward, and then try to max out most of the abilities in the Heat line.  If they ever buff Manaburn, I'll try to find points to put into Power for it.<div></div>

[Nightwo|f]

<blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR><P><BR>this has been around since it was made a hate transfer.</P><P>Cast the buff first, before your're amended and you will not have any issues with pulling hate unless you want it.</P><hr></blockquote>Since LU29, I don't think you can even do that anymore. I used to cast it before the pally got amends on me and I was fine. However the other day that didn't appear to work, I had anomalism on the pally before getting amends several times and I was pulling agro pretty easily. Put anomalism on me and it wasn't a problem anymore. Will need to do more testing as it may have been an isolated occurrence, but be careful now.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nightwo|f wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR><BR> <P><BR>this has been around since it was made a hate transfer.</P><BR> <P>Cast the buff first, before your're amended and you will not have any issues with pulling hate unless you want it.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Since LU29, I don't think you can even do that anymore. I used to cast it before the pally got amends on me and I was fine. However the other day that didn't appear to work, I had anomalism on the pally before getting amends several times and I was pulling agro pretty easily. Put anomalism on me and it wasn't a problem anymore. Will need to do more testing as it may have been an isolated occurrence, but be careful now.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>strange I wonder if there is something else causing you to get agro?  I raided last night with this on the paly and his amends on me and didn't pull agro doing 2400 dps single targets, mt only had dirge and assasin for hate transfer.

[Mortimus V.]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> richie72 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hello,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been really trying to decide which path I want to take on the new aa's and I am having a hard time.  There are alot of good choices.  I like manaburn, but I think it would be waste of 20  points in the power line to get it, and these points would be more useful in heat or cold line.  What setup are the raiding wizards thinking about going with??</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Okay, here's the answer to your question, from a powergaming perspective:</P> <P>1. The first 5 points you get should go to the first Cold ability, as that will increase your damage across the board.</P> <P>2. If you solo, GET THE WARD.  If you PvP, the ward's still a solid idea.  You did mention raiding, so this doesn't apply to you.</P> <P>3. If you took Ro as your god (and if you're powergaming, you did), now's the time to crawl all the way down the Fire line.  The skill you're really after, the one that'll turn your Ice Comet into Fire damage, is currently bugged, but hopefully it'll be fixed by the time you're there.</P> <P>4. Remaining points are discretionary, based on whether you want more mana, less hate or less resists.  Technically, if you limit your spending in Fire to 21, you could get Manaburn with another 21 and still have the better Mitigation decrease from Cold for a grand total of 47 spent.  However, Manaburn is, in the vernacular, 'highly situational'.</P>

[Falcogen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I haven't had a troubador yet falco, but I did raid freethinkers last night and just had amends, MT had a dirge + assasin for hate gain, and I was pulling 2400 on the single target vampires without pulling agro.</P> <P>were you fighting in one of the KOS instances?  I've read some info that they're being adjusted today because some of the mob nerfs didn't go through to them.</P> <P>Oh and I should mention the paly had the + skill aa so I was almost 400 disrup/subj  (resist rate was 100% not a single spell was resisted for the zone)</P><BR> <HR> <BR>Yeah amends still works great i could go nuts but zerkers and guards are struggling atm to hold major dps. They cant really use the buckler anymore so they hold significantly less

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShaneFalco wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I haven't had a troubador yet falco, but I did raid freethinkers last night and just had amends, MT had a dirge + assasin for hate gain, and I was pulling 2400 on the single target vampires without pulling agro.</P> <P>were you fighting in one of the KOS instances?  I've read some info that they're being adjusted today because some of the mob nerfs didn't go through to them.</P> <P>Oh and I should mention the paly had the + skill aa so I was almost 400 disrup/subj  (resist rate was 100% not a single spell was resisted for the zone)</P><BR> <HR> <BR>Yeah amends still works great i could go nuts but zerkers and guards are struggling atm to hold major dps. They cant really use the buckler anymore so they hold significantly less<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ahh, well obviously your guild's MT's know what they're doing so their ability isn't in question, which is why I asked if you were raiding some of the KOS instances that were just changed today because some of the mobs weren't nerfed with EOF which made them significantly harder.</P> <P>I was raiding in freethinkers and the MT was a guard, and I was in a secondary group with amends, which is why I was thinking your hate gain problem(and mt's hate generation) may be from one of the KOS zones that missed the nerfbat??</P>

[SacDaddy420]

    As a raiding wizard the AA setup I am currently choosing is the fire line.  Once I get Fireshape I'll consider the other options more in depth.  But right now, here's my short term goal for the first half of my EoF AA's:    Get Fireshape.  Couple that with Ro's Sun Spear giving your heat based spells 50% faster casts, recasts and less power cost,and use Ro's Fury at the same time.  On named raid encounters this is what I believe will yeild the highest dps for us.  Then you have another 9 and a half minutes after the miracle wears off with a nice dmg proc to every spell.  As mentioned, I dont have Fireshape yet, 5 more AA's will be needed.  But I have tested that miracle/blessing combo, and even then with my most damaging spells being Ice oriented, I still topped the parse.  Which aint easy if you know the badass scouts and necros I roll with <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[iceriven2]

going down fire line... Wanted to go down power for manaburn but the more it sinks in the skill is utterly useless i am thinking cold line.  But i am putting points in piercing icicle and fortify AA i like a better debuff and more power.

[khelektasare]

<div><blockquote><hr>Razerblaze wrote:I plan on petitioning until SOE allows me to put my new 50 AAs into the KoS tree <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><font color="#ffff66">Joking aside, as a PvP Wizard I'm definately dumping my first 10 AAs into the ward addition to Magi's Shielding...That and 5 points into Rending Icicles are no-brainers.</font>  Other than that, I'll probably max out the heat AAs, and put the rest in cold, hoping to be able to get 4 into Surging Tempest.  None of the final AAs are any good, so I don't have to worry about how many points I put in each line.  Luckily we get a free respec in case SOE decides to open their eyes and rehaul every one of the final Wizard AAs...I'm not holding my breath though.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You read my mind!</div>