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TheBu

07-26-2006, 07:56 PM

<DIV>Sup I am intrested in how much dps a 70 wiz should be pumpin out in a raid...</DIV> <DIV>in solo and in group encounters? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sometimes i have no tank or troub. heck some times no fury...</DIV> <DIV>So how much does our dps depend on the rest of the group? for the agro managment and for dps output.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in group encounters are you guys waiting 10% for aoes?</DIV> <DIV>and when are u getting 1600dps? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not talking about casting Glacial Wind then Fusion</DIV> <DIV>but suptained dps</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for master i expect a 15% to 20% increase in damage. I have masters for Ball of Lava, Iceshield, protoferno, Irradiate, Cease and Glacial Wind & Electrifying Flash</DIV> <DIV>I looked at the casting times and damage and think i know what spell do the most damage. Ice Nove,Ball of lave, Irradiate and Glacial Wind</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But how much dps are u wizs doing? and how? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote: <DIV>/agree Soulbringer.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and for those wizards who think u can't toss out dps more than 1100-1600 each mob fight in raids... think again and re-learn your class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>gosh.. I hate being #1 DPS .. cuz there's a 100% chance other classes will envy you and eventually you'll become nerfed. ><</DIV> Message Edited by Admhel on 05-09-2006 11:41 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>Message Edited by TheBuzZ on 07-26-2006 08:56 AM

daray

07-26-2006, 09:02 PM

<div></div>Well solo and group content dies so fast that it is hard to suggest an appropriate dps for it. I am not overly concerned on agro vs. solo/group content either (with maybe the exception of nizara), so dont tend to hold back too much as the mobs are pretty [Removed for Content]. Raid dps is highly dependent on the person behind the toon, and I have little problem sustaining 1600 single target dps on a several minute fight. Group dps is highly depended on how many mobs you have in the encounter. Having said that, a few things come to mind that will certainly improve your dps: Your raid setup A good tank - that knows how to hold agro. Dirge / Coercer / Scout hate onto the MT as needed (shouldn't need all 3) to increase their agro. Dirge and coercers increase MT agro by approx 40% ea. Troubador in your group - 40% hate reduction, damage procs, power regen, +spell crits, + casting times, Fury and/or Inquisitor in group make me happy too. Furies are obvious ... Inqs have a nifty ability that reduces your casting timers by 50% odd for 24 secs. Debuffs Debuffs on raids will make a huge difference. With sufficient debuffs you will be looking at 25k+ crit ice novas and fusions. Make sure that everyone is debuffing. Make sure you have a brigand or 2 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Your spell quality I am fully mastered for all end-game spells. Your AA setup I have all 50 AAs spent such to maximise dps. Your spell order Spell order will all also have a big impact on the DPS you can put out. With the help of a parser, identify an optimal spell casting order to maximise dps. Your gear This is probably one of the more obvious things to state, but make sure your int is maxed out. I also make good use of damage proc gear (i wear 7 items that proc damage). Well that is all that i can think of atm. I am sure there is more i have missed, but the above is a good starting point. <div></div>Message Edited by neleso on 07-26-2006 10:09 AM

painkiller

07-26-2006, 09:59 PM

<DIV>on which encounter or encounters where you could sustain 1600dps were you referring to? you said, several minutes....could you name same of these encounters plz?? were they named?? ae encounters?? i just dont see a wiz sustaining dps on a fight lasting longer then 2 mins....i too have many proc items 8 in total.....lvl 70 wiz and on anything lasting a considerate length of time 2mins+ usually parse around 1400 on ae's 2500+.........</DIV>

IllusiveThoughts

07-26-2006, 10:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> painkiller75 wrote: <DIV>on which encounter or encounters where you could sustain 1600dps were you referring to? you said, several minutes....could you name same of these encounters plz?? were they named?? ae encounters?? i just dont see a wiz sustaining dps on a fight lasting longer then 2 mins....i too have many proc items 8 in total.....lvl 70 wiz and on anything lasting a considerate length of time 2mins+ usually parse around 1400 on ae's 2500+.........</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> there's 3 power proc items that all wizards drool over, its the wand the legs and the chest, legs of mo and forgot where the wand comes from but combined they add anywhere from 1-2k power in procs per min. add in capped flowing thought at 105 and you have 2-3k power per min, combine that with heart/shart/vital conversion and you have 3-4k power per minute, and vioala you have sustained dps. my personal best without these items (except for xhavis gown) was 1150 dps on an 8 minute fight. and almost 800 dps on a 17 minute fight (damned azlid!) still had 40% power left too. but neleso pretty much summed it up.

HomeChicken

07-27-2006, 05:27 PM

<DIV>yah as soon as you get those power procing items its really easy to keep your power up, specially between manastone 1 - 2, dracomancer gloves, FT gear, your own power pumping spells, and regen in your group, power seems like a lot less of a problem.</DIV> <DIV>and if ya got power, you can keep cranking out the dps heh</DIV>

electricninjasex

07-27-2006, 06:05 PM

The only sampling periods I consider valid for power regen procs in terms of FT are between the beginning and end of sustained spellcasting. The only fights long enough for that are the Harla Dar add burn, 3 Princes, and possibly MO. That in mind, I calculated X'Haviz's Gown of Glory for me to be roughly FT20 and the Wand of the Tempest FT27. Not the Fount of Everlasting Power per se but light years beyond the Godking weapon and any pathetic endgame FT robe. <div></div>

HerzenFunia

07-27-2006, 08:01 PM

<DIV>imho there's a bit more long fight encounters like Venekor and Chel'Drak. And i havent seen my pwr below 90% when we were burning adds on harla non-stop.</DIV>

Brockaine2

07-27-2006, 11:55 PM

Group setup is by far the biggest factor. For example if you only have a dirge in MT group and no troub around your dps will suck or you'll die a ton. Throw in a troubador a coercer in the mt and the right healer for a caster group and watch ur dps sky rocket to top of the raid or very close.

electricninjasex

07-28-2006, 01:12 AM

<blockquote><hr>HerzenFunia wrote:<div></div> <div>And i havent seen my pwr below 90% when we were burning adds on harla non-stop.</div><hr></blockquote>Because you're calling help on the adds. It's almost impossible to actually count the regen'd power, so we don't do it that way. You go to the log file, add up the procs during the fight, assume that the average amount of the regen was done per proc, and average out the sum regen over the length of the fight. FT outside of combat is irrelevant, so we ignore the fact that the robe is giving you the FT0 equivalent at that time.

trixx

07-28-2006, 01:35 AM

I am trying to figure out why the 2 wizards and 1 warlock that roll with us on our raids NEVER get above 600 DPS. Usually, around 500. our scouts are rockin 1k-1500 DPS. A: is there something I am missing in the parse? EG. is there a pet i need to parse too or something B: they claim to have all adept 3 at least, and one of them is geared in nearly all fabled. When asked to up the DPS, though, they merely start pulling aggro and die. What can I do>?? Id like to see this 1600 damage, but that seems far off. Ankha, AB

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: I am trying to figure out why the 2 wizards and 1 warlock that roll with us on our raids NEVER get above 600 DPS. Usually, around 500. our scouts are rockin 1k-1500 DPS. A: is there something I am missing in the parse? EG. is there a pet i need to parse too or something B: they claim to have all adept 3 at least, and one of them is geared in nearly all fabled. When asked to up the DPS, though, they merely start pulling aggro and die. What can I do>?? Id like to see this 1600 damage, but that seems far off. Ankha, AB <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> sorry to be harsh but get a better tank. I've raided with 0 hate reduction buffs and have been able to do 1500 dps without pulling agro. I've also parsed 1K dps fights using only dots....(that means without using ice nova, fusion, sunstrike, ball of lava, incapacitate or ice flame) spamming irradiate, surging tempest, protoferno, forge of ro, firey convultions, rending icicles, glacial winds, shocking flash, and meleing the mob with grizzlefazzles equipped. If that doesn't work for you, then try putting a troubador in the same group as the mages, and playing his hate reduction song (40%), and if that doesn't work, give each mage amends, or moderate, and as a last resort have a coercer give each one harmonious link. if that still isn't working, farm the tenerborus tangle ring event on temple grounds to get each one a skywatchers robe and make them wear it. if that still isn't working, have each one start casting a hex doll on the dps call, and start dps'ing 8 seconds after the rest of the raid but go full burn, (can still acheive 12-1400 ext dps like this but with lower chance of agro) and finally if that isn't working make them only use dots and use concussive before casting ball of lava, and ceace before casting incapaciate.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-27-2006 02:52 PM

trixx

07-28-2006, 01:44 AM

okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 01:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist)

trixx

07-28-2006, 02:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> extremely helpful, thank you

Mareth

07-28-2006, 05:09 AM

<div><blockquote><hr>trixxie wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> trixxie wrote: <div></div>okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <hr> </blockquote> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist) <hr> </blockquote>extremely helpful, thank you<hr></blockquote>...you managed to pull aggro with that? Please, do tell! Did you try to start the fight with Fusion, or somehting? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 11:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordSarig wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> extremely helpful, thank you <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>...you managed to pull aggro with that? Please, do tell! Did you try to start the fight with Fusion, or somehting? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 3 mob fusion crit for 27k main 24k 2nd mob and 20k 3rd mob. after a crit glacial winds, and frigid gift procs going off on all of them, along with the hate from forge of ro. and precision of the meistro was up along with a few dissonant note procs with synergisim procs. i remember seeing char and / or burning affliction go off too. this all happened in about 9 seconds, and i got agro off only one, the sk MT fd me and i ended up staying down for about 20 seconds to ensure i wouldn't get agro when i poped back up, only did 2.2k dps on that one, I wonder what it would of been had i not been fd'd for so long.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 12:21 AM

merdo

07-28-2006, 06:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordSarig wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> extremely helpful, thank you <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>...you managed to pull aggro with that? Please, do tell! Did you try to start the fight with Fusion, or somehting? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 3 mob fusion crit for 27k main 24k 2nd mob and 20k 3rd mob. after a crit glacial winds, and frigid gift procs going off on all of them, along with the hate from forge of ro. and precision of the meistro was up along with a few dissonant note procs with synergisim procs. i remember seeing char and / or burning affliction go off too. this all happened in about 9 seconds, and i got agro off only one, the sk MT fd me and i ended up staying down for about 20 seconds to ensure i wouldn't get agro when i poped back up, only did 2.2k dps on that one, I wonder what it would of been had i not been fd'd for so long. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 12:21 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I dont play a wiz or warlock but to see some of you guys "actually" do dps is nice. I had a similar setup on a raid recently in a t7 raid zone. I was normally able to do 1200ish dps (before i died) but on this raid i was around 1700 most of the night. (i have one post 50 master spell the rest adept 3) The assasin was 1100ish (my guild) the conj was 900ish (he was touting how he had master pets, this conj was from a different guild) The wiz was doing 1200ish but after a few parses with me she logged to her healer.(partly because we needed one more and it was either me or her, we both have high level alt healers, my guild) Most of the night I got tells about how i should be nurfed and how 900dps was great for an conj and my class should not be getting anywhere near that dps. We all had the same agro reduction and the tank never lost agro the whole night. I can imagine if i had broke the 2k dps mark there would have been a huge melt down. I was told they were gonna do an emailing campaign to nurf my class at 1700ish dps. Good job on representing your class, I think most wizzies expect to be top dps with no effort and have convinced some others they are right to think this.

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 08:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> merdorf wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordSarig wrote: <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> trixxie wrote: okay, so if i could make not getting agro the problem, i should just tell them to go nuts? I will try that then <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I can tell you from experience with the following buffs I have only manged to pull agro once, and this is with me doing 2500+ dps, with the mt clocking in anywhere from 500-700 dps. (alins calming serenade 40% hate reduc from troub) (amends 39% hate transfer to a paly) (harmonious link 23% hate reduction from coercer) (synergisim 500pt dmg proc 700pt deagro from illusionist) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> extremely helpful, thank you <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>...you managed to pull aggro with that? Please, do tell! Did you try to start the fight with Fusion, or somehting? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 3 mob fusion crit for 27k main 24k 2nd mob and 20k 3rd mob. after a crit glacial winds, and frigid gift procs going off on all of them, along with the hate from forge of ro. and precision of the meistro was up along with a few dissonant note procs with synergisim procs. i remember seeing char and / or burning affliction go off too. this all happened in about 9 seconds, and i got agro off only one, the sk MT fd me and i ended up staying down for about 20 seconds to ensure i wouldn't get agro when i poped back up, only did 2.2k dps on that one, I wonder what it would of been had i not been fd'd for so long. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 12:21 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I dont play a wiz or warlock but to see some of you guys "actually" do dps is nice. I had a similar setup on a raid recently in a t7 raid zone. I was normally able to do 1200ish dps (before i died) but on this raid i was around 1700 most of the night. (i have one post 50 master spell the rest adept 3) The assasin was 1100ish (my guild) the conj was 900ish (he was touting how he had master pets, this conj was from a different guild) The wiz was doing 1200ish but after a few parses with me she logged to her healer.(partly because we needed one more and it was either me or her, we both have high level alt healers, my guild) Most of the night I got tells about how i should be nurfed and how 900dps was great for an conj and my class should not be getting anywhere near that dps. We all had the same agro reduction and the tank never lost agro the whole night. I can imagine if i had broke the 2k dps mark there would have been a huge melt down. I was told they were gonna do an emailing campaign to nurf my class at 1700ish dps. Good job on representing your class, I think most wizzies expect to be top dps with no effort and have convinced some others they are right to think this. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> so what class are you? brigand, swash, bruiser, or zerker? and 900 dps for a m1 pet + conj is pitiful, I've seen the pets do 600 dps on their own, and the conj break 800 when separated on the parse.

HerzenFunia

07-28-2006, 08:11 PM

<DIV>Illu you're lucky if you're always raiding with those buffs :smileyhappy:</DIV>

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 08:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HerzenFunia wrote: <DIV>Illu you're lucky if you're always raiding with those buffs :smileyhappy:</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> its pretty rare when I have all of them (only happened 3x so far) On our last Labs raid I only had Harmonious link (23%) from the coercer for de-agro, had to use conccusive, ceace, skywatchers, and garg pet, to try to keep from dying. I ended up making it to vyemm with about 5 deaths(mostly from MT saving my butt with FD and rescue). MT was holding agro at 1500 or so dps untill we got to the mobs just before the corsolander, and taunts were getting resisted, then it was all guess work (and deathage) one fight I pulled agro at 800, another 1300, /shrug. no troub and no illusionist on that one either. In lyceum last night for the most part I just had amends, the coercer was charming mobs on the charmable encounters so I lost harmonious link. Still hit a couple 2K fights with only amends. No troub and no illusionist for that raid. Me and the conj were really working hard to beat each other on this raid. He got top parse a few times too. Ended up with the zone wide parse at 1150 for the night. My dps started to drop after we killed essence of fear because the raid started to dwindle down to 3 groups and the mobs there have 1-1.8mil hp so they were lasting 3-5 minutes, and I had to start using heart/shard/vital conversion, and even cardinal intro on myself to keep up my power. I have found that on reall really long fights you can sustain close to 800 dps if you use manastone, vital conversion, cardinal intro, and shard when ever they refresh, and only cast protoferno, forge of ro, surging tempest, rending icicles and ice nova/fusion when they refresh. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 09:41 AMMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 09:48 AM

HerzenFunia

07-28-2006, 08:55 PM

heh we dont have sk/paladin in guild, so no amends at 100% of raids. also corcer always using all his dps buff's for melee classes. same situation with illusionist (but sometimes i have synergizm :smileyhappy: ). but i still have a troub ing grp in 90% of raids so the situation is not so bad <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> PS Do you remember your fight times on mobs in lyce? for example on 2 and 3 droag encounters and on single.Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 07-28-2006 08:56 PM

IllusiveThoughts

07-28-2006, 10:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HerzenFunia wrote: heh we dont have sk/paladin in guild, so no amends at 100% of raids. also corcer always using all his dps buff's for melee classes. same situation with illusionist (but sometimes i have synergizm :smileyhappy: ). but i still have a troub ing grp in 90% of raids so the situation is not so bad <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> PS Do you remember your fight times on mobs in lyce? for example on 2 and 3 droag encounters and on single. Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 07-28-2006 08:56 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> you may want to try and convince the coercer/illusionist/raid leader that a mele haste buff and dps buff will pale to the extra dps 23% less hate will give to the wizard. look at it this way, on the top end of the scale auto attack will generally hit for 300-400 dps(when parsed over a long sample period like a zone wide parse) with haste/dps buffs which is about 100-150 more dps from auto attack If the wizard is doing 1000 dps and pulling agro, giving him 23% hate reduction would allow him to do 1230 dps. if the wizard is doing 1500 dps it jumps to 1845 dps, and so on and so forth. Hate reduction for a wizard directly correlates to a straight dps increase. As for synergysim at m1 it can account for 7-8% of my dps on a single parse, and zonewide it can account for 3-4% of my zone dps, considering i can do 1400+ dps for a zone parse that makes synergisim give me roughly 55 dps increase on the zone parse and single parses it can inflate it by as much as 200 dps. I have the parse info at home and I'll check it later today and post the parses your looking for. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 11:28 AM Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 11:29 AMMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 11:32 AM

IllusiveThoughts

07-29-2006, 03:05 AM

Here's some of the lyceum parses you requested funia, 2 mob group minion and trainer, Allies: (02:37) 1328162 | 8459.63 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-14447] Illu 15 | 204109 | 1427.34 me obviously Alle 14 | 154655 | 1104.68 conj1 Oben 45 | 151788 | 1068.93 warlock Lima 0 | 110329 | 805.32 (forgot) Numb 16 | 96962 | 923.45 ranger Band 65 | 82583 | 532.79 zerker Kais 22 | 81820 | 705.34 bruiser Monc 15 | 77332 | 633.87 ranger Vinh 20 | 57550 | 509.29 monk Sand 7 | 57016 | 543.01 coercer Alla 7 | 56823 | 403.00 (forgot) Soul 0 | 53364 | 373.17 (forgot) Haka 19 | 46004 | 306.69 paly Cudu 0 | 17004 | 156.00 lvl 64 dirge Dami 0 | 15612 | 127.97 Kiko 8 | 14603 | 120.69 Pand 1 | 14318 | 94.82 Dani 1 | 9874 | 74.80 Come 0 | 6184 | 48.69 Kenn 11 | 5818 | 38.03 Elva 5 | 4510 | 30.68 Mari 9 | 2738 | 17.44 Here was one of the 3 mob encounters Allies: (01:51) 1024083 | 9225.97 [HH Illu-Fusion-16002] Illu 15 | 147476 | 1418.04 Alle 12 | 113203 | 1204.29 a fe 3 | 83914 | 784.24 Vinh 49 | 78096 | 796.90 Kais 30 | 77136 | 763.72 Numb 11 | 74876 | 813.87 Lima 0 | 68146 | 724.96 Oben 13 | 65496 | 873.28 Monc 13 | 61471 | 627.26 Band 27 | 52596 | 482.53 Haka 15 | 42273 | 444.98 Soul 0 | 31660 | 416.58 Alla 13 | 30928 | 355.49 Sand 3 | 25918 | 341.03 Kiko 5 | 21557 | 276.37 Pand 3 | 12130 | 125.05 Cudu 0 | 10202 | 118.63 Dani 7 | 8857 | 89.46 Kenn 6 | 7420 | 85.29 Come 1 | 3434 | 39.02 Mari 6 | 2794 | 28.51 Elva 0 | 2760 | 29.68 Glin 0 | 464 | 5.59 here was the essence of fear single target named Allies: (03:40) 2007513 | 9125.06 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-20640] Illu 14 | 239922 | 1249.59 Alle 74 | 193239 | 1192.83 Come 0 | 187157 | 995.52 conj 2 Numb 19 | 142593 | 774.96 Vinh 84 | 140361 | 797.51 Sand 23 | 134676 | 660.18 Kais 21 | 124483 | 638.37 Soul 5 | 115138 | 581.51 Band 51 | 113322 | 527.08 Monc 20 | 108104 | 624.88 Oben 26 | 106333 | 521.24 Dami 0 | 77487 | 377.99 Kiko 30 | 71938 | 390.97 Haka 32 | 61547 | 286.27 Pand 12 | 45662 | 218.48 Kenn 17 | 39634 | 191.47 Dani 12 | 25823 | 122.38 Mari 0 | 21497 | 100.92 Cudu 0 | 15286 | 88.87 Come 0 | 14279 | 74.37 Elva 10 | 10325 | 49.64 Shin 4 | 8083 | 71.53 Glin 0 | 3500 | 17.50 Alou 0 | 2285 | 11.04 Elly 0 | 1259 | 5.97 here was the eye of thul's with 1.8 mil hitpoints and less than 3 groups in the raid. (hence the long encounter time) Allies: (05:19) 1904275 | 5969.51 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15585] Illu 12 | 353120 | 1169.27 Come 10 | 258895 | 860.12 Vinh 107 | 210168 | 698.23 Monc 39 | 192586 | 648.44 Nald 391 | 180066 | 569.83 Sand 1 | 147424 | 506.61 Lima 57 | 115458 | 383.58 Pand 27 | 88249 | 280.16 Haka 33 | 75863 | 243.93 Dark 0 | 67907 | 236.61 Alla 8 | 67858 | 229.25 Slam 5 | 52837 | 174.38 Mari 0 | 28946 | 91.89 Come 2 | 20014 | 68.54 Dani 6 | 18759 | 60.71 Kenn 5 | 15813 | 51.85 Glin 0 | 5353 | 18.02 and the other one Allies: (04:23) 1861080 | 7076.35 [HH Illu-Fusion-15749] Illu 10 | 271634 | 1090.90 Come 7 | 232672 | 994.32 Numb 25 | 191031 | 868.32 Vinh 95 | 169627 | 709.74 Kais 51 | 159480 | 667.28 Band 52 | 127612 | 488.93 Monc 29 | 110214 | 559.46 Haka 58 | 100474 | 387.93 Sand 9 | 93099 | 410.13 Kiko 42 | 88179 | 361.39 Soul 0 | 75795 | 306.86 Pand 10 | 70029 | 296.73 Dark 0 | 53503 | 229.63 Kenn 24 | 39470 | 153.58 Dani 30 | 33661 | 132.52 Mari 9 | 15065 | 64.66 Shin 7 | 13843 | 55.82 Glin 0 | 4958 | 22.43 Come 0 | 3788 | 74.27 Elly 0 | 2003 | 7.65 Dami 0 | 1199 | 6.81 Udag 0 | 890 | 3.44 Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 04:06 PMMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-29-2006 12:03 AM

aubreyy

07-29-2006, 04:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: Here's some of the lyceum parses you requested funia, 2 mob group minion and trainer, Allies: (02:37) 1328162 | 8459.63 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-14447] Illu 15 | 204109 | 1427.34 Alle 14 | 154655 | 1104.68 Oben 45 | 151788 | 1068.93 Lima 0 | 110329 | 805.32 Numb 16 | 96962 | 923.45 Band 65 | 82583 | 532.79 Kais 22 | 81820 | 705.34 Monc 15 | 77332 | 633.87 Vinh 20 | 57550 | 509.29 Sand 7 | 57016 | 543.01 Alla 7 | 56823 | 403.00 Soul 0 | 53364 | 373.17 Haka 19 | 46004 | 306.69 Cudu 0 | 17004 | 156.00 Dami 0 | 15612 | 127.97 Kiko 8 | 14603 | 120.69 Pand 1 | 14318 | 94.82 Dani 1 | 9874 | 74.80 Come 0 | 6184 | 48.69 Kenn 11 | 5818 | 38.03 Elva 5 | 4510 | 30.68 Mari 9 | 2738 | 17.44 Here was one of the 3 mob encounters Allies: (01:51) 1024083 | 9225.97 [HH Illu-Fusion-16002] Illu 15 | 147476 | 1418.04 Alle 12 | 113203 | 1204.29 a fe 3 | 83914 | 784.24 Vinh 49 | 78096 | 796.90 Kais 30 | 77136 | 763.72 Numb 11 | 74876 | 813.87 Lima 0 | 68146 | 724.96 Oben 13 | 65496 | 873.28 Monc 13 | 61471 | 627.26 Band 27 | 52596 | 482.53 Haka 15 | 42273 | 444.98 Soul 0 | 31660 | 416.58 Alla 13 | 30928 | 355.49 Sand 3 | 25918 | 341.03 Kiko 5 | 21557 | 276.37 Pand 3 | 12130 | 125.05 Cudu 0 | 10202 | 118.63 Dani 7 | 8857 | 89.46 Kenn 6 | 7420 | 85.29 Come 1 | 3434 | 39.02 Mari 6 | 2794 | 28.51 Elva 0 | 2760 | 29.68 Glin 0 | 464 | 5.59 here was the essence of fear single target named Allies: (03:40) 2007513 | 9125.06 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-20640] Illu 14 | 239922 | 1249.59 Alle 74 | 193239 | 1192.83 Come 0 | 187157 | 995.52 Numb 19 | 142593 | 774.96 Vinh 84 | 140361 | 797.51 Sand 23 | 134676 | 660.18 Kais 21 | 124483 | 638.37 Soul 5 | 115138 | 581.51 Band 51 | 113322 | 527.08 Monc 20 | 108104 | 624.88 Oben 26 | 106333 | 521.24 Dami 0 | 77487 | 377.99 Kiko 30 | 71938 | 390.97 Haka 32 | 61547 | 286.27 Pand 12 | 45662 | 218.48 Kenn 17 | 39634 | 191.47 Dani 12 | 25823 | 122.38 Mari 0 | 21497 | 100.92 Cudu 0 | 15286 | 88.87 Come 0 | 14279 | 74.37 Elva 10 | 10325 | 49.64 Shin 4 | 8083 | 71.53 Glin 0 | 3500 | 17.50 Alou 0 | 2285 | 11.04 Elly 0 | 1259 | 5.97 here was the eye of thul's with 1.8 mil hitpoints and less than 3 groups in the raid. (hence the long encounter time) Allies: (05:19) 1904275 | 5969.51 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15585] Illu 12 | 353120 | 1169.27 Come 10 | 258895 | 860.12 Vinh 107 | 210168 | 698.23 Monc 39 | 192586 | 648.44 Nald 391 | 180066 | 569.83 Sand 1 | 147424 | 506.61 Lima 57 | 115458 | 383.58 Pand 27 | 88249 | 280.16 Haka 33 | 75863 | 243.93 Dark 0 | 67907 | 236.61 Alla 8 | 67858 | 229.25 Slam 5 | 52837 | 174.38 Mari 0 | 28946 | 91.89 Come 2 | 20014 | 68.54 Dani 6 | 18759 | 60.71 Kenn 5 | 15813 | 51.85 Glin 0 | 5353 | 18.02 and the other one Allies: (04:23) 1861080 | 7076.35 [HH Illu-Fusion-15749] Illu 10 | 271634 | 1090.90 Come 7 | 232672 | 994.32 Numb 25 | 191031 | 868.32 Vinh 95 | 169627 | 709.74 Kais 51 | 159480 | 667.28 Band 52 | 127612 | 488.93 Monc 29 | 110214 | 559.46 Haka 58 | 100474 | 387.93 Sand 9 | 93099 | 410.13 Kiko 42 | 88179 | 361.39 Soul 0 | 75795 | 306.86 Pand 10 | 70029 | 296.73 Dark 0 | 53503 | 229.63 Kenn 24 | 39470 | 153.58 Dani 30 | 33661 | 132.52 Mari 9 | 15065 | 64.66 Shin 7 | 13843 | 55.82 Glin 0 | 4958 | 22.43 Come 0 | 3788 | 74.27 Elly 0 | 2003 | 7.65 Dami 0 | 1199 | 6.81 Udag 0 | 890 | 3.44 Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-28-2006 04:06 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Not to put you out, but could you label the classes with the names. at least the DPS. Also, when you parse yourself, do you count the proc damage that you buff other classes with as your own or thiers?

MystaSkrat

07-29-2006, 08:11 AM

2 things. 1) yea, what classes are what bro? Where's the assassins and summoners at on there? and 2) why, is your raid dps <10,000?

IllusiveThoughts

07-29-2006, 10:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> aubreyy wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE>Not to put you out, but could you label the classes with the names. at least the DPS. Also, when you parse yourself, do you count the proc damage that you buff other classes with as your own or thiers? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=24738&page=2" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=24738&page=2</A> parsers do not pick up damage proc buffs put on other classes, the only one it does pick up and give to the wizard is Ice sheild because soe decided to screw wizards over by making them look better on a parse, and removing its function as a hate generation tool with lu24.

IllusiveThoughts

07-29-2006, 11:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: 2 things. 1) yea, what classes are what bro? Where's the assassins and summoners at on there? and 2) why, is your raid dps <10,000? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> the parses were meant for someone else, but i guess i can add some of the classes in and im not going to respond to your 2nd question as it will only cause the demise of this thread. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-29-2006 12:00 AM

HerzenFunia

07-29-2006, 02:18 PM

tnx illu For example in our guild in lyce raid dps is usually between 14-20k, depend's on how much ppl slacking <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And on single mobs I rly cant do a lot of dps because it's dead after 4-5 of my nukes and on this fights assassins/ranger/swash usually on the top of parser. But on grp encounters the situation is better <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'am only fighiting for the top of parser with conjs and berserker (mt), and sometimes bers is on top of parser with dps like1.4-1.7k, but usually it happens when fusion is not up. My dps is rly depend on fight time. On single targets and 50 seconds fight I cant do a lot of dps. If there 2-3 mobs and 1-2 min I have much more chances to be on top of parser. PS My best dps result 2650dps - in lyce on large heroic encounter (which on the way to final named). It was 59 secs fight with 17.5k raid dps.

MystaSkrat

07-29-2006, 07:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: 2 things. 1) yea, what classes are what bro? Where's the assassins and summoners at on there? and 2) why, is your raid dps <10,000? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> the parses were meant for someone else, but i guess i can add some of the classes in and im not going to respond to your 2nd question as it will only cause the demise of this thread. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-29-200612:00 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> My point in the second question is this: if you are personally doing 1000 dps and your whole raid is doing 9000 or less, then something isn't right. Hard to say what it is if you won't even comment on it. If I'm doing 1200+ dps, then my raid is doing 15000 or so, that's all.

merdo

07-30-2006, 04:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> so what class are you? brigand, swash, bruiser, or zerker? and 900 dps for a m1 pet + conj is pitiful, I've seen the pets do 600 dps on their own, and the conj break 800 when separated on the parse. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I play a necromancer /hide last night a wizard was doing on average 400dps in our raid. the assasin couldent break 900 but he was only 67 I was doing 1200ish anymore and i died but i didnt have ammends or anyother hate reduction beyond azure winds. funny part was me #1 and our berserker #2 (no he wasnt tanking).

IllusiveThoughts

07-30-2006, 01:25 PM

Here's our labs zone parse today.... Allies: (57:46) 31934785 | 9213.73 [HH Illu-Fusion-20411] Illu 347 | 4403511 | 1273.06 me Alle 1046 | 3306449 | 1008.99 conj Numb 599 | 2644267 | 765.35 ranger Oben 730 | 2391206 | 695.12 warlock Acce 582 | 2339501 | 695.45 necro Nald 5025 | 2075488 | 614.05 SK mt(yeah who says they cant mt) Band 329 | 2003041 | 580.09 zerker Will 104 | 1911852 | 569.00 warlock2 Vinh 922 | 1778155 | 554.29 monk Monc 314 | 1497490 | 508.66 ranger 2 Sand 71 | 1216244 | 352.84 coercer Mara 687 | 1151003 | 333.72 brusier Kala 543 | 1117094 | 325.11 zerker Pand 74 | 675774 | 201.72 fury Kiko 304 | 606296 | 180.88 dirge Avra 9 | 408936 | 141.40 illusionist Dani 239 | 372334 | 108.11 Mari 86 | 301512 | 87.04 Keit 24 | 285993 | 300.10 Alex 58 | 272867 | 79.18 Kenn 132 | 224339 | 93.01 Runt 84 | 216103 | 76.90 Elva 89 | 165771 | 49.15 Keth 67 | 145781 | 43.30 Twig 12 | 61596 | 21.79 Elly 8 | 29601 | 8.88 Trit 0 | 14231 | 889.44 Haka 12 | 14177 | 211.60 Arth 3 | 11040 | 220.80 And i was asked by the conj and zerker to post these rarities, first one for conj (the slavering alzid) Allies: (01:42) 1459742 | 14311.20 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-18083] Alle 132 | 186560 | 2050.11 Illu 4 | 166726 | 2033.24 Oben 25 | 124488 | 1310.40 Numb 28 | 105803 | 1374.07 Nald 279 | 100635 | 1016.52 Will 3 | 83077 | 954.91 Kala 56 | 80982 | 952.73 Vinh 22 | 72822 | 846.77 Sand 14 | 70513 | 904.01 Band 3 | 66930 | 778.26 Mara 41 | 65305 | 702.20 Acce 4 | 61078 | 754.05 Monc 18 | 60358 | 943.09 Mari 1 | 52538 | 536.10 Kiko 24 | 45032 | 505.98 Avra 0 | 24838 | 279.08 Kenn 23 | 22274 | 224.99 Runt 5 | 17001 | 215.20 Dani 7 | 16898 | 183.67 Pand 1 | 14825 | 156.05 Keth 0 | 5637 | 79.39 Alex 0 | 4031 | 63.98 Elva 1 | 3976 | 46.23 Twig 2 | 3418 | 38.84 2nd one for conj (trash mob) Allies: (01:02) 864612 | 13945.35 [HH Illu-Fusion-17411] Alle 12 | 110937 | 2093.15 Illu 6 | 110581 | 2086.43 Band 17 | 98426 | 2139.70 Oben 34 | 97580 | 1913.33 Will 0 | 62158 | 1268.53 Numb 18 | 56654 | 1258.98 Vinh 17 | 47407 | 967.49 Nald 112 | 46880 | 781.33 Acce 6 | 40260 | 1388.28 Mara 20 | 34382 | 731.53 Kala 11 | 34172 | 854.30 Sand 1 | 32817 | 841.46 Monc 6 | 29286 | 750.92 Kiko 7 | 16258 | 416.87 Avra 1 | 7668 | 174.27 Mari 0 | 7234 | 120.57 Dani 1 | 6407 | 142.38 Pand 4 | 5616 | 130.60 Elva 0 | 3923 | 89.16 Alex 0 | 3097 | 140.77 Kenn 1 | 2962 | 68.88 Twig 0 | 1621 | 33.77 this one for zerker (trash mob) Allies: (00:55) 683237 | 12422.49 [HH Illu-Fusion-11928] Illu 8 | 85532 | 1859.39 Band 24 | 80451 | 2011.28 Oben 20 | 71239 | 1583.09 Acce 25 | 63525 | 1443.75 Alle 0 | 47568 | 1160.20 Numb 10 | 45629 | 1471.90 Will 1 | 43267 | 1664.12 Nald 127 | 42341 | 846.82 Monc 13 | 38557 | 1482.96 Vinh 17 | 36810 | 876.43 Kala 13 | 25076 | 3582.29 Pand 5 | 19619 | 503.05 Sand 1 | 19564 | 454.98 Mara 7 | 15931 | 549.34 Kiko 4 | 11807 | 347.26 Mari 21 | 9710 | 194.20 Dani 3 | 7413 | 164.73 Avra 0 | 4320 | 120.00 Elva 2 | 4173 | 112.78 Alex 0 | 3758 | 208.78 Kenn 3 | 3757 | 83.49 Twig 0 | 1758 | 35.16 Keth 1 | 778 | 22.88 and what the hell here's one for the necro (uustalastus xiterrax) and nec used undead tide aoe's forbidden until named dropped. Allies: (01:4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 790839 | 7322.58 [HH Illu-Fusion-14232] Acce 29 | 176470 | 1939.23 Illu 13 | 139607 | 1382.25 Nald 207 | 78870 | 744.06 Oben 5 | 59493 | 619.72 Will 1 | 57871 | 609.17 Alle 55 | 48257 | 464.01 Sand 1 | 35211 | 510.30 Pand 5 | 30397 | 298.01 Numb 21 | 25790 | 283.41 Monc 6 | 25215 | 340.74 Vinh 36 | 20263 | 206.77 Avra 0 | 18432 | 198.19 Dani 14 | 17155 | 175.05 Kenn 9 | 13164 | 121.89 Kala 10 | 13090 | 130.90 Alex 0 | 8725 | 117.91 Kiko 20 | 5753 | 61.86 Twig 0 | 3785 | 39.84 Band 1 | 3694 | 38.08 Elva 1 | 3660 | 48.16 Mara 26 | 2663 | 26.37 Keth 1 | 1724 | 17.77 Runt 0 | 1452 | 17.29 Mari 0 | 98 | 0.92 one for me (single target trash) Allies: (01:03) 663360 | 10529.52 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-11931] Illu 10 | 113355 | 1988.68 Alle 2 | 79768 | 1424.43 Acce 16 | 64114 | 1232.96 Numb 6 | 55942 | 1190.26 Will 1 | 54606 | 1050.12 Oben 17 | 50854 | 959.51 Band 3 | 47835 | 869.73 Nald 94 | 43210 | 708.36 Kala 10 | 30835 | 752.07 Sand 3 | 24807 | 620.18 Pand 1 | 24480 | 499.59 Kiko 8 | 16632 | 319.85 Dani 11 | 15122 | 328.74 Kenn 8 | 10272 | 193.81 Mari 0 | 8287 | 138.12 Keth 0 | 7139 | 198.31 Runt 2 | 5197 | 148.49 Elva 3 | 4334 | 83.35 Alex 0 | 2997 | 83.25 Twig 0 | 2526 | 81.48 heres another single target trash Allies: (01:01) 666344 | 10923.67 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15971] Illu 9 | 107287 | 1915.84 Alle 3 | 87660 | 1623.33 Oben 3 | 55855 | 1074.14 Band 13 | 55068 | 1147.25 Numb 10 | 52027 | 1238.74 Vinh 22 | 49279 | 947.67 Acce 3 | 49219 | 1262.03 Will 0 | 47656 | 1036.00 Nald 94 | 36563 | 609.38 Sand 1 | 22450 | 534.52 Kala 16 | 22339 | 421.49 Pand 1 | 22056 | 537.95 Kiko 3 | 13716 | 403.41 Kenn 7 | 7098 | 144.86 Mara 3 | 6983 | 634.82 Dani 3 | 6916 | 153.69 Runt 1 | 6146 | 136.58 Mari 0 | 5523 | 95.22 Alex 0 | 4095 | 89.02 Elva 5 | 3784 | 71.40 Keth 0 | 2090 | 61.47 Twig 0 | 582 | 10.58 (3 mob trash with less than 3 groups)- we were reforming for vyemm Allies: (01:24) 683330 | 8134.88 [HH Illu-Fusion-11652] Illu 29 | 138912 | 1956.51 Alle 18 | 116059 | 1589.85 Oben 22 | 80898 | 1050.62 Band 22 | 73294 | 1032.31 Kala 30 | 70085 | 834.35 Vinh 34 | 50422 | 710.17 Numb 13 | 44676 | 893.52 Monc 5 | 23873 | 596.83 Mari 35 | 18497 | 222.86 Trit 0 | 14231 | 889.44 Haka 12 | 14177 | 211.60 Arth 3 | 11040 | 220.80 Mara 1 | 10678 | 281.00 Alex 2 | 9708 | 126.08 Dani 0 | 2485 | 36.54 Sand 0 | 1254 | 21.25

HomeChicken

07-30-2006, 08:23 PM

<DIV>wish i could remember what the highest i have hit without dying was, im pretty sure it was just over 3k dps on one of the big groups of snakes (non heroic ones) in DT</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>heh actaully my favorite is poets palace the return, can get like 9k+ in there heh</DIV>

Kelkirra

07-30-2006, 11:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: Here's our labs zone parse today.... Allies: (57:46) 31934785 | 9213.73 [HH Illu-Fusion-20411] Illu 347 | 4403511 | 1273.06 me Alle 1046 | 3306449 | 1008.99 conj Numb 599 | 2644267 | 765.35 ranger Oben 730 | 2391206 | 695.12 warlock Acce 582 | 2339501 | 695.45 necro Nald 5025 | 2075488 | 614.05 SK mt(yeah who says they cant mt) Band 329 | 2003041 | 580.09 zerker Will 104 | 1911852 | 569.00 warlock2 Vinh 922 | 1778155 | 554.29 monk Monc 314 | 1497490 | 508.66 ranger 2 Sand 71 | 1216244 | 352.84 coercer Mara 687 | 1151003 | 333.72 brusier Kala 543 | 1117094 | 325.11 zerker Pand 74 | 675774 | 201.72 fury Kiko 304 | 606296 | 180.88 dirge Avra 9 | 408936 | 141.40 illusionist Dani 239 | 372334 | 108.11 Mari 86 | 301512 | 87.04 Keit 24 | 285993 | 300.10 Alex 58 | 272867 | 79.18 Kenn 132 | 224339 | 93.01 Runt 84 | 216103 | 76.90 Elva 89 | 165771 | 49.15 Keth 67 | 145781 | 43.30 Twig 12 | 61596 | 21.79 Elly 8 | 29601 | 8.88 Trit 0 | 14231 | 889.44 Haka 12 | 14177 | 211.60 Arth 3 | 11040 | 220.80 And i was asked by the conj and zerker to post these rarities, first one for conj (the slavering alzid) Allies: (01:42) 1459742 | 14311.20 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-18083] Alle 132 | 186560 | 2050.11 Illu 4 | 166726 | 2033.24 Oben 25 | 124488 | 1310.40 Numb 28 | 105803 | 1374.07 Nald 279 | 100635 | 1016.52 Will 3 | 83077 | 954.91 Kala 56 | 80982 | 952.73 Vinh 22 | 72822 | 846.77 Sand 14 | 70513 | 904.01 Band 3 | 66930 | 778.26 Mara 41 | 65305 | 702.20 Acce 4 | 61078 | 754.05 Monc 18 | 60358 | 943.09 Mari 1 | 52538 | 536.10 Kiko 24 | 45032 | 505.98 Avra 0 | 24838 | 279.08 Kenn 23 | 22274 | 224.99 Runt 5 | 17001 | 215.20 Dani 7 | 16898 | 183.67 Pand 1 | 14825 | 156.05 Keth 0 | 5637 | 79.39 Alex 0 | 4031 | 63.98 Elva 1 | 3976 | 46.23 Twig 2 | 3418 | 38.84 <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There are some personal bests for a lot of our members. We have had moments where we were only 300 DPS away from the 15K barrier with a different raid set-up than the usual min/max guilds and our highest DPS was usually Illu with around 2-2.5+ DPS. I would say that it is possible for anyone playing a wizzy properly to obtain the 1600 mark pretty easily. As for the one poster that stated something about only being able to get 300-400 DPS as a wizzy without dying, what was your tank doing that entire time? Seriously. I play the supposed "worst" tanking class in the entire game and as long as I'm on my toes the only classes that seem to be able to peel agro from me are zerkers that go completly ape [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on a mob as soon as I pull it. O.o Oh, and brawlers, but that's a different story in itself -_- (seen to many flame threads about those guys already =D). I guess the moral of the story is that just because someone tells you that you can't break a certian barrier DPS wise that others are doesn't mean that you can't do it persay. We have a conjy that had literally has studied his class to the point of creating excell spread sheets so that he can figure out what casting order is the most efficient to maximize his DPS during a long fight and during short fights. Find out a casting order that works for you. Experiment with it. Eventually it will come down to second nature and you'll be showing up everyone around you. Now, I do want to point out 2 things with the parses that Illusive posted here. The first part is the MT for this raid, which was myself, a SK. The fact remains that anything is possible if I can tank against a monster like Illu and the rest of my raid force going no holds bar with DPS and only sustain few casualties. =D Second, I just wanted to brag about hitting 1K DPS as a tank =D. Just wanted to brag about that one hehe.

IllusiveThoughts

07-31-2006, 01:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HerzenFunia wrote: tnx illu For example in our guild in lyce raid dps is usually between 14-20k, depend's on how much ppl slacking <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And on single mobs I rly cant do a lot of dps because it's dead after 4-5 of my nukes and on this fights assassins/ranger/swash usually on the top of parser. But on grp encounters the situation is better <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'am only fighiting for the top of parser with conjs and berserker (mt), and sometimes bers is on top of parser with dps like1.4-1.7k, but usually it happens when fusion is not up. My dps is rly depend on fight time. On single targets and 50 seconds fight I cant do a lot of dps. If there 2-3 mobs and 1-2 min I have much more chances to be on top of parser. PS My best dps result 2650dps - in lyce on large heroic encounter (which on the way to final named). It was 59 secs fight with 17.5k raid dps. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> fyi on the parses I post the raid's dps is showing in ext dps, while the individuals are showing in (dps), thats why i sort it by dmg, to show who did the most dps, and also parsing individual's dps to show dps potential, along with showing ext dps for the raid to show how we really did from pull to mob death. If I used (dps) for the raid it would be 17-22k on some fights too. Very nice getting 2650 and not dieing, i wonder how much dps you could of done if you had amends, harmonious link and synergisim on you?

IllusiveThoughts

07-31-2006, 01:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: 2 things. 1) yea, what classes are what bro? Where's the assassins and summoners at on there? and 2) why, is your raid dps <10,000? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> the parses were meant for someone else, but i guess i can add some of the classes in and im not going to respond to your 2nd question as it will only cause the demise of this thread. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-29-200612:00 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> My point in the second question is this: if you are personally doing 1000 dps and your whole raid is doing 9000 or less, then something isn't right. Hard to say what it is if you won't even comment on it. If I'm doing 1200+ dps, then my raid is doing 15000 or so, that's all. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> not everyone has the luxury of min/maxing a raid. the guild I raid with is a large family oriented guild, and they do not shun away classes just to min/max a raid set up, thus at times you can see 5-8 tanks on a raid, and maybe 3-4 dps classes. I'm usually spoiled by the raid leader in terms of buffs because I tend to top the parses the most (although the conjuror who is now fully offfensive spell mastered is starting to beat me more often on parses) I just dont want to turn this post into a guild vs guild war or try to do anything like that.

HerzenFunia

07-31-2006, 01:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Very nice getting 2650 and not dieing, i wonder how much dps you could of done if you had amends, harmonious link and synergisim on you? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah i can only wonder too... When I saw parser results my reaction was like *O_o* :smileyhappy: And since i'am doing not bad dps on most of raids, it's rare situation when I'am getting anything more than troubs deagro, because usually other classes getting buffs. But anyway this classes doing more dps with their buffs, so the raid dps is not harmed imho. At least we're playing for fun and trying to do our best for our raids :smileyhappy:Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 07-31-2006 01:53 AM

Kelkirra

07-31-2006, 01:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote: 2 things. 1) yea, what classes are what bro? Where's the assassins and summoners at on there? and 2) why, is your raid dps <10,000? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> the parses were meant for someone else, but i guess i can add some of the classes in and im not going to respond to your 2nd question as it will only cause the demise of this thread. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-29-200612:00 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> My point in the second question is this: if you are personally doing 1000 dps and your whole raid is doing 9000 or less, then something isn't right. Hard to say what it is if you won't even comment on it. If I'm doing 1200+ dps, then my raid is doing 15000 or so, that's all. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> not everyone has the luxury of min/maxing a raid. the guild I raid with is a large family oriented guild, and they do not shun away classes just to min/max a raid set up, thus at times you can see 5-8 tanks on a raid, and maybe 3-4 dps classes. I'm usually spoiled by the raid leader in terms of buffs because I tend to top the parses the most (although the conjuror who is now fully offfensive spell mastered is starting to beat me more often on parses) I just dont want to turn this post into a guild vs guild war or try to do anything like that. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> You're spoiled because you're the best [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] wizzy that I know. And, yes, he's right, we don't turn ppl away because of class. We have learned to succed without the concept of Min/Maxing a raid with extremely positive results.

IllusiveThoughts

07-31-2006, 03:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HerzenFunia wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> At least we're playing for fun and trying to do our best for our raids :smileyhappy:</BLOCKQUOTE> Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 07-31-2006 01:53 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> that is the most imporant factor, This is after all a game, that your supposed to have fun playing. I think a lot of people forget that on these forums.

Hakanese_GB

07-31-2006, 08:06 PM

<DIV>Ohhh Illu, now I have my AA's respeced, I plan to make u beg for Amends.. and to catch up with Naldir at least on the crit counts... So beware... Let the Carnage begin!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Hakanese</DIV> <DIV> LvL 70 Paladin. ( A Pally without a clue)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

IllusiveThoughts

07-31-2006, 08:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hakanese_GB wrote: <DIV>Ohhh Illu, now I have my AA's respeced, I plan to make u beg for Amends.. and to catch up with Naldir at least on the crit counts... So beware... Let the Carnage begin!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Hakanese</DIV> <DIV> LvL 70 Paladin. ( A Pally without a clue)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> you already have me pestering you after each death for amends, although if you start doing more dps (via a crit aa respec) then I suspect you may be the one getting agro with amends on me....hmmm I think i'll bring a repair kit or two for you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kelkirra

08-01-2006, 12:51 AM

Admh

08-01-2006, 05:38 AM

aight aight.. kk.. imma be blunt. i parse between 800-3k dps... it depends on the situation. I'm not saying i'm consistent on 1600dps. before you qoute me on that.. i'm tossing u the range of which my dps may fall into. Look at my gear, my group setup, my raid setup and this depends on the classes that are in the raid. The more dps classes are there in my raids, the higher my dps is. A wizard alone cannot be the hero of the raid. You've seen this in your regular group exp hunts. If you run outta power, that means your group lacks dps... It's the same on raids.

Admh

08-01-2006, 05:43 AM

Message Edited by Admhel on 07-31-2006 09:52 PM

IllusiveThoughts

08-01-2006, 09:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote: aight aight.. kk.. imma be blunt. i parse between 800-3k dps... it depends on the situation. I'm not saying i'm consistent on 1600dps. before you qoute me on that.. i'm tossing u the range of which my dps may fall into. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> well at least we know there are 2 honest wizards on this forum. Some fights with aoe stuns, interrupts raidwide aoes resists, we just do less dps, and that range is entirely possible depending on the situation like you said.

TheBu

08-01-2006, 07:25 PM

ok ok.. . so aa making up alot of this dps? i am seeing 20k ice comets... thats from next spell crits? and group make a big difrence... So what is ur casting order?... I hit then with iceshield then start with proto.. then rendering icicles, irradiate, Fiery convusions, Incapacate,cease,BoL deagro, ice comet. dont even use sunstrike.. and use electric flash rarely... i focus on irradiate, rendering icicles and BoL I am rairly allowed to aoe alot... on the raids. . finger pointing and turning of the mobs can be bad... ps.. .sup with a SK as the mt? cant u give ur armor and avoid check buf to the other tank and be more usefull?

IllusiveThoughts

08-01-2006, 08:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote: ok ok.. . so aa making up alot of this dps? i am seeing 20k ice comets... thats from next spell crits? and group make a big difrence... So what is ur casting order?... I hit then with iceshield then start with proto.. then rendering icicles, irradiate, Fiery convusions, Incapacate,cease,BoL deagro, ice comet. dont even use sunstrike.. and use electric flash rarely... i focus on irradiate, rendering icicles and BoL I am rairly allowed to aoe alot... on the raids. . finger pointing and turning of the mobs can be bad... ps.. .sup with a SK as the mt? cant u give ur armor and avoid check buf to the other tank and be more usefull? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> i've had plenty of ice novas with 30% freehand sorcery land for 20k on a fully debuffed raid mob with a good roll of the dice without a crit. seems to average about 15-17k with free hand and 10-12k without. the SK MT that we raid with is at the mit cap, and knows what the @#$# he's doing. He also can hit 1k dps while MT'ing. so uhm yeah loose the perception that sk's dont make great mt's.

Kelkirra

08-01-2006, 11:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote: ok ok.. . so aa making up alot of this dps? i am seeing 20k ice comets... thats from next spell crits? and group make a big difrence... So what is ur casting order?... I hit then with iceshield then start with proto.. then rendering icicles, irradiate, Fiery convusions, Incapacate,cease,BoL deagro, ice comet. dont even use sunstrike.. and use electric flash rarely... i focus on irradiate, rendering icicles and BoL I am rairly allowed to aoe alot... on the raids. . finger pointing and turning of the mobs can be bad... ps.. .sup with a SK as the mt? cant u give ur armor and avoid check buf to the other tank and be more usefull? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> i've had plenty of ice novas with 30% freehand sorcery land for 20k on a fully debuffed raid mob with a good roll of the dice without a crit. seems to average about 15-17k with free hand and 10-12k without. the SK MT that we raid with is at the mit cap, and knows what the @#$# he's doing. He also can hit 1k dps while MT'ing. so uhm yeah loose the perception that sk's dont make great mt's. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Please, I'm hearing enough of this on the combat discussion forums. -_- I'm fed up with the myth that we're not [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing tanks pal. We just have the OPTION of being a mild buff bot if necessary. A plate tank is a tank. Period.

curtlewis

08-02-2006, 01:57 AM

Please repost those parses with EXTDPS instead of the unrealistic DPS numbers. No one baselines using DPS in ACT. EXTDPS is the universal standard because DPS is inflated.Why?Situation:I step in 40 sec into the fight, cast fusion. My fight duration? 5 seconds. 20k dmg / 5 sec. I did 4k dps! Woo hoo!Reality:No I didn't. I slacked off and fired one measely nuke. If the mob died at 45 sec, I really did 444.44 dps. That's what EXTDPS would show.

Mareth

08-02-2006, 02:07 AM

There's this SK on my server that I've grouped with a bit, only SK I've grouped with regularly too.I've been holding back lots (just doing regular nameds and such), but I found out the problem was the player not the class <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />me: hmm, I seem to be getting aggro more easily than usual today.Tank: Maybe I should taunt more than just for the pull?me: .....yeah, how about we give that a try, eh?<div></div>

Kelkirra

08-02-2006, 02:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> LordSarig wrote: There's this SK on my server that I've grouped with a bit, only SK I've grouped with regularly too. I've been holding back lots (just doing regular nameds and such), but I found out the problem was the player not the class <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> me: hmm, I seem to be getting aggro more easily than usual today. Tank: Maybe I should taunt more than just for the pull? me: .....yeah, how about we give that a try, eh? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> ROFL OMG, I almost lost my soda when I read that post. Thanks for the laugh. If I seem a bit offensive I appologize, but I've delt with the myth that we're the worst tanking class in the game for too long now. I've tried to at least open up the eyes of those around me that we're fine as a tank if you know how to play the class, but I'm constantly flamed on the boards any time I mention SK and tank in the same sentence. -_- I honestly wish that SoE would give SK's half the tools that the other tanking classes utilitze so that those of us who ARE fine with our hate gain could show everyone else how [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] overpowered we would be WITH the tools other tanks have. =/

IllusiveThoughts

08-02-2006, 02:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> curtlewis wrote: Please repost those parses with EXTDPS instead of the unrealistic DPS numbers. No one baselines using DPS in ACT. EXTDPS is the universal standard because DPS is inflated. Why? Situation: I step in 40 sec into the fight, cast fusion. My fight duration? 5 seconds. 20k dmg / 5 sec. I did 4k dps! Woo hoo! Reality: No I didn't. I slacked off and fired one measely nuke. If the mob died at 45 sec, I really did 444.44 dps. That's what EXTDPS would show. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I've always posted my parses showing individual dps and not ext dps (i've also said that since my first parse posting) the raid's dps figure is posted in ext dps, and the damage total is also listed and sorted by total damage, thus someone who does a fusion 5 seconds at the end of the fight might have a high dps figure but hes going to be at the bottom of the damage parse because of total damage. Just because you dont approve of the plethora of information provided to you doesn't mean its any less usefull to the rest of us. 1. personal dps gives an idea of what a classes potential is, and helps to stop overzealous dps people from dps'ing before the dps call to try to look good in ext dps on a raid parse. 2. ext raid dps is good to see (instead of just dps) because you can see how long it took the raid to kill x mob doing x dps. 3. sorting by personal damage(not dps) is also good to see how much total damage a player has done to the raid mob and at what dps they did it. 4. a parser is a tool, its not designed to enlarge an "3-[Removed for Content]", if your looking for that I dont know how to help youMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 08-01-2006 03:28 PM

TheBu

08-02-2006, 09:24 AM

<DIV>yes a parser is a tool I take the information as it is. . damage, ext dps or dps. . .so no big...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and as the shadow thing. . .I just was wondering if it was the fact they dot and dpsed...</DIV> <DIV>and well if it did not work out u can allways just fd. . .right? </DIV> <DIV>Hum I was think the pally might be intresting. . with a agro transfer on the sk? with dirge hate mod.. .hum would increase and transfer?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ok well i am around 600dps 1m.30s fight no trub no iliu .. .mainly one mob at a time and a slow build up.. using pet and ice shield and cease as often as i can.. sometimes agro from the main mob got the better of us dpsers, the tank only had dirge. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and whoot got my first 18000 ice nova... nice...</DIV> <DIV>but no wer near the 1600dps even a good ways away from there .. . anyone else wanta post ther dsp for solo attackin... raid mobs?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Syth

08-02-2006, 04:39 PM

<blockquote><hr>TheBuzZ wrote:<div>yes a parser is a tool I take the information as it is. . damage, ext dps or dps. . .so no big...</div> <div> </div> <div>and as the shadow thing. . .I just was wondering if it was the fact they dot and dpsed...</div> <div>and well if it did not work out u can allways just fd. . .right? </div> <div>Hum I was think the pally might be intresting. . with a agro transfer on the sk? with dirge hate mod.. .hum would increase and transfer?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>ok well i am around 600dps 1m.30s fight no trub no iliu .. .mainly one mob at a time and a slow build up.. using pet and ice shield and cease as often as i can.. sometimes agro from the main mob got the better of us dpsers, the tank only had dirge. </div> <div> </div> <div>and whoot got my first 18000 ice nova... nice...</div> <div>but no wer near the 1600dps even a good ways away from there .. . anyone else wanta post ther dsp for solo attackin... raid mobs?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Whenever I raid I have none of the support classes that everyone else seems to have (i.e. no troub, no chanter, at best it's a Pally and a Dirge for hate control), and I only have 40 AAs (Maxed out Brainstorm and Freehand, now working on Agi line) and I can generally stick around 1000 dps, up to 1200 on AE encounters. I can't Fusion more than one mob or I just die instantly, so that's far from satisfying, and sort of limits the dps a bit. One time I did have a troub I peaked at about 1450, there was no Pally there though so it still wasn't ideal.Then again, I'm nowhere near as experienced at raiding as everyone else in this thread seems to be, I only raid twice a week tops and one of them tends to be a pickup <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

Silentsta

08-02-2006, 04:50 PM

Going by another wizards parse is not going to help you much. Its good for one thing, a general idea of what that wizard did during his fight on that mob. There are way to many things to take into consideration. Group make up, spell quality, casting sequence, AA makeup, type of mob, gear, etc. Like Rumil posted, I can do from 800 to 3K dps on a fight depending on the situation. Even lower then that on some trash mobs in a raid, only thing I can get off is Sunstrike before they die. We are like one of our own nukes, we have min/maxes we can reach on different fights. The best thing a wizard can do is download ACT, run it during a raid and start trying out different things. Then, stick with the one that produces the best results for your play style.

Jezekie

08-02-2006, 05:01 PM

<div><blockquote><hr>Silentstalk wrote:<div></div> Going by another wizards parse is not going to help you much. Its good for one thing, a general idea of what that wizard did during his fight on that mob.<hr></blockquote>It's good for seeing where other Wizards are in comparison to the classes they raid with, even given the amount of varibles present.</div>

Silentsta

08-02-2006, 05:17 PM

<DIV>You can accomplish that by running your own ACT. Dont need another wizards parse, compare it with your own. If the other wizard isnt in your raid, like I said, just to much to take into account to help you much, imo. Except maybe a number to shoot for if you are not reaching the posted amount of DPS. </DIV> Message Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-2006 06:20 AMMessage Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-2006 06:33 AM

TheBu

08-02-2006, 07:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silentstalk wrote: <DIV>You can accomplish that by running your own ACT. Dont need another wizards parse, compare it with your own. If the other wizard isnt in your raid, like I said, just to much to take into account to help you much, imo. Except maybe a number to shoot for if you are not reaching the posted amount of DPS. </DIV> Message Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-200606:20 AM Message Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-200606:33 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> The thread is asking for Usefully information.. I run act. . and i merge the info.. . so we see damage thats not on line with some other wizy, we then ask "hay how u do it?" I have no problem with onthers parse.. I would like to see the spell they cast and the order tho.. for me with max int in any group, i think it is aa and group buffers. but then again i am using deagros alot and very little aoes but still sometimes things get the best of me... so please show me the parses... but tell the spells u used and who was buffin u...

Silentsta

08-02-2006, 08:01 PM

I gave useful information. Run your ACT during your raids, try different spell orders until you hit the best. Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results isnt going to help you learn the class. And thats what it boils down to. Knowing what to cast and when on raids is part of learning the class. And raid set up will change your casting order every time. You are asking for one wizards group/spell set up because he posted a parse with DPS you have yet to reach. You will need to ask for his MT group setup as well. Oh, dont forget to ask him to list his master 1 spells, gear he was wearing for that raid, if he cast that nuke during a dispatch. Poor guy will miss a raid by the time he is done with his post. Just get the best gear you can, upgrade your spells when you can and do your best. Im in no way trying to shoot you down for asking questions, Im just trying to incourage you to find your own path, its part of the fun of this game.

TheBu

08-02-2006, 11:34 PM

I really appreciate the time IllusiveThoughts and some others put into their posts… as for telling someone to upgrade when they have masters mainly, ad3 and can cap int solo, i dont know what to say.. purhaps someone did not notice them in the message, sometime the text blends together... <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silentstalk wrote: get the best gear you can, upgrade your spells when you can and do your best. Im in no way trying to shoot you down for asking questions, Im just trying to incourage you to find your own path, its part of the fun of this game. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote: <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for master i expect a 15% to 20% increase in damage. I have masters for Ball of Lava, Iceshield, protoferno, Irradiate, Cease and Glacial Wind & Electrifying Flash</DIV> <DIV>I looked at the casting times and damage and think i know what spell do the most damage. Ice Nove,Ball of lave, Irradiate and Glacial Wind</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Lets focus on how much extra dps we can do with buff from others and how much our own dps can very from aa and other procs.. or casting order.. thanks

Silentsta

08-03-2006, 01:11 AM

Going to be blunt here then Im done with the subject. Those masters who have, not the only spells we use. Also, I already know how much extra dps we can do with certain group set ups, different AA lines, different caster orders, etc. And I did it all by my little self. Please try and understand where Im comming from on my posts. You seem to be missing my point. Test things yourself. You, yourself, test all those things you mentioned during your raids. Once you find the one that produces the most DPS during your raids, stick with in and you win EQ2!

Admh

08-03-2006, 08:11 AM

lol. the easiest way to really prove where you're at and compare it between another wizard that is on the same raid. You cannot compare my raids against your raids, I don't know how your group setups are and which classes are available on the raid. I've been on pickup raids where i'm the top dps ALL the time, but I've also been on guild raids in which I'm not on the top all the time. This is the variable at which we stand at. Remember that we have NO dps modifier. Aside from the innate intelligence which is our primary attribute.. I could give a crap if i have 10 strength, 10 agility. These does not increase our powerpool or our dps at all. We max this attribute easily it's not even funny. There's no group buff that increases our min/max spell damage, no casting haste spells, no spells that have a perma buff for a 10%/30% proc for each spell we cast, we are crippled by the max damage of our spells(if we ever roll a dice that could actually make us hit our max.) -- Don't you hate it when u drop catalyst + Freehand + Fusion and you nuke for less than the max damage of the original spell? <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> :smileymad:That said, the rest of your dps really rely on the player's skills behind the character, how often he/she casts a specific spell **hint** (Ball of Lava) as often as he can so that he can increase the dps. Remember scouts/melee have poisons, weapon procs, spell procs, haste, dps modifier, intelligence modifier, strength modifier and weapon dmg rating to increase their dps. This is the reason why we end up below a melee's on most occasions.keep dropping those 1k+ parses. If you can't, either you suck or your raid does. Either or both of these factors fall into the incompetence of being a wizard not putting up max dps. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />my 2cp.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

08-03-2006, 08:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote: There's no group buff that increases our min/max spell damage <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> if you were referring to no wizard group buffs then yes. if you referring to any class then no, palys can take an aa line that gives us 1% more base spell dmg. (like brainstorm) only it gives it to the whole group, along with 1% more healing, and a bunch of other stuff at 1%(cant remember them all because i just care about the 1% spell dmg bonus)

Cowtothes

08-03-2006, 09:43 AM

<DIV>Also, a Brigand in the raid is very important. The debuffs alone increase my dps by 25% or sometimes more. If you don't have a brigand and a troub (for agro), then you are not hitting max dps.</DIV>

HomeChicken

08-03-2006, 08:41 PM

<DIV>clerics have a casting speed / recast timer buff dont they?</DIV> <DIV>its an aa choice</DIV> <DIV>not sure if its just recast timers, thought it was both tho</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

HerzenFunia

08-03-2006, 09:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HomeChicken wrote: <DIV>clerics have a casting speed / recast timer buff dont they?</DIV> <DIV>its an aa choice</DIV> <DIV>not sure if its just recast timers, thought it was both tho</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah you're right. Aswell shamans have the same spell but it's single target, not group.Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 08-03-2006 09:13 PM

IllusiveThoughts

08-04-2006, 10:14 AM

Here's our lyceum run today. Had amends up to the essence of fear. also had for the zone, 5.4% allegro, Dont kill the messenger (7.5% crit chance), alins (40% hate reduc), aria (500pt proc from troub), harmonious link from coercer Zone Parse Allies: (01:34:4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 56060550 | 9855.93 [HH Illu-Fusion-26309] Illu 952 | 7448212 | 1311.54 me Trit 993 | 5421560 | 956.52 conj Numb 1819 | 4829089 | 852.74 ranger Band 848 | 3728472 | 657.35 zerker Acce 691 | 3651612 | 821.33 necro (who left after gnillaw) Vinh 2416 | 3542223 | 625.06 monk Nald 11591 | 3516740 | 618.71 SK MT (yes thats 11k crits) Oben 984 | 3310299 | 736.77 warlock who left after gnilaw Haka 3458 | 3072056 | 540.28 paly Kati 588 | 2345341 | 523.63 Raid 123 | 2256844 | 399.94 coercer Come 296 | 1659358 | 840.61 conj (who came in after essence of fear) :::rest really dont matter:::: essence of fear Allies: (03:39) 2182392 | 9965.26 [HH Illu-Fusion-14282] Illu 16 | 237216 | 1162.82 me Acce 26 | 204208 | 1069.15 necro Trit 67 | 200888 | 934.36 conj Numb 76 | 198930 | 994.65 ranger Band 16 | 143439 | 703.13 zerker Nald 380 | 138410 | 649.81 SK MT Oben 18 | 130011 | 622.06 warlock Vinh 104 | 124664 | 608.12 monk Kati 25 | 124279 | 630.86 troub Mara 59 | 115595 | 575.10 bruiser Haka 132 | 110857 | 510.86 paly Raid 5 | 108180 | 522.61 coercer Kiko 30 | 80973 | 408.95 dirge :::removed rest:::: Gnillaw the demented Allies: (04:22) 2832599 | 10811.45 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-14409] Illu 60 | 338757 | 1313.01 me Acce 42 | 271735 | 1287.84 necro Trit 26 | 250123 | 1000.49 conj Numb 56 | 220996 | 887.53 ranger Band 47 | 219724 | 893.19 zerker Come 0 | 204232 | 840.46 conj Nald 458 | 182685 | 699.94 SK MT Vinh 118 | 178241 | 718.71 monk Oben 32 | 176133 | 713.09 warlock Kati 45 | 148507 | 582.38 troub Raid 3 | 133285 | 531.02 coercer Haka 99 | 123658 | 479.29 paly Kiko 26 | 87346 | 360.93 dirge :::removed the rest::: some random parses.... Allies: (02:05) 1462016 | 11696.13 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-18158] Illu 22 | 232479 | 2132.84 me Trit 173 | 178875 | 1771.04 conj Band 17 | 124413 | 1081.85 zerker Oben 39 | 118232 | 1115.40 warlock Numb 36 | 111119 | 910.81 ranger Vinh 58 | 104950 | 999.52 monk Nald 389 | 104147 | 867.89 SK MT Acce 15 | 84379 | 878.95 necro (who was 2 boxing) Haka 83 | 76893 | 657.21 paly Raid 8 | 69157 | 601.37 coercer Kati 21 | 48241 | 472.95 Keit 9 | 41544 | 364.42 Kiko 12 | 28942 | 321.58 Allies: (02:05) 1478809 | 11830.47 [HH Illu-Fusion-26309] Illu 37 | 223183 | 1975.07 me Oben 66 | 161007 | 1412.34 warlock Numb 43 | 121098 | 1153.31 ranger Band 39 | 115599 | 979.65 zerker Trit 89 | 109307 | 993.70 conj Haka 137 | 101547 | 995.56 paly Acce 15 | 96970 | 1127.56 necro 2 boxing Nald 273 | 89872 | 736.66 SK MT Raid 1 | 78547 | 654.56 coercer Keit 5 | 75920 | 690.18 Kati 16 | 74943 | 707.01 Mara 23 | 51924 | 476.37 bruiser Vinh 28 | 45832 | 424.37 monk Kiko 16 | 34925 | 332.62 Allies: (01:32) 948565 | 10310.49 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15444] Illu 30 | 169746 | 2121.83 me Trit 6 | 111310 | 1545.97 conj Oben 26 | 101047 | 1161.46 warlock Numb 30 | 76745 | 1023.27 ranger Haka 87 | 71117 | 846.63 paly Nald 200 | 65919 | 724.38 SK MT Band 12 | 60999 | 734.93 zerker Vinh 32 | 54265 | 733.31 monk Raid 1 | 52781 | 643.67 coercer Kati 13 | 41992 | 567.46 Kiko 10 | 29241 | 389.88

ThrashVTX

08-04-2006, 07:07 PM

Hey Illu (et al) Sorry I could not make it last night, sounds like you guys had fun in there! How were the drops? -Alle Allestair McCallister *NOR/BA-EQ2(RM) New Outriders

IllusiveThoughts

08-04-2006, 07:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ThrashVTX wrote: Hey Illu (et al) Sorry I could not make it last night, sounds like you guys had fun in there! How were the drops? -Alle Allestair McCallister *NOR/BA-EQ2(RM) New Outriders <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> two relic drops, leather vest and cloth cuffs, gnillaw dropped another falbed 2hndr, forgot what the essence of fear dropped.

Kelkirra

08-04-2006, 11:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ThrashVTX wrote: Hey Illu (et al) Sorry I could not make it last night, sounds like you guys had fun in there! How were the drops? -Alle Allestair McCallister *NOR/BA-EQ2(RM) New Outriders <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> two relic drops, leather vest and cloth cuffs, gnillaw dropped another falbed 2hndr, forgot what the essence of fear dropped. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Fabled Sash.

armus5

08-05-2006, 12:37 AM

time to nerf the wizards, they've been at the top for more than a month now. who should get max dps next? first it was necros, then wizards. let's go something fun - furies! there's almost as many of them as wizards and they should be just as adept at whining as wizards

IllusiveThoughts

08-05-2006, 01:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> armus550 wrote: time to nerf the wizards, they've been at the top for more than a month now. who should get max dps next? first it was necros, then wizards. let's go something fun - furies! there's almost as many of them as wizards and they should be just as adept at whining as wizards <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> actually the conjuror I raid will once he's at 50 aa's should be beating me on the majority of aoe fights and we'll probably come out even at 2 mobs and I may be slightly ahead at singles. the necro with undead tide litterally makes me look like a pea shooter when he uses that ability against singles. If we get a well geared assasin to start comming along with us I'm sure they'll be up at the top as well. We need a brigand or three badly though. all these #'s have been without a brig.

Raidi Sovin'faile

08-05-2006, 01:21 AM

Yeah, and the MT without the threat procs that he so dearly wants, lol. It really matters who's getting the hate reduction. You can have all the DPS in the world, but if you can't use it because the MT can't hold aggro, then all you'll get yourself is dead. You'll parse pretty good DPS while alive, and tank on the extDPS. Really, it's the way the whole raid force is set up that matters. A tank that holds more aggro will mean that others can DPS more. If you have more hate reduction, same thing. If you have enough mana regen (hearts/shards, enchanters/bards), to handle the 2 minutes fights at full burn. All the tier 1 classes can do a heckuva lot of DPS given the right situation. It's just as important (if not moreso) to get that right situation, as to improve your own abilities. I wouldn't feel personally responsible or feel bad about low parses. Unless you are doing something really wrong, it's most likely factors outside of the individual's control that determine what damage he can parse.

Kelkirra

08-05-2006, 01:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raidi Sovin'faile wrote: Yeah, and the MT without the threat procs that he so dearly wants, lol. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Don't remind me =(

Jezekie

08-05-2006, 02:46 AM

IllusiveThoughts

08-05-2006, 03:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: <DIV> Interesting. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> on your parses did you have harmonious link? I see a troub so i'm assuming he was with you too so you were getting allegro and dktm and alins + arias. if you parse my ext dps for the zone i come in at 1305 I wonder if the difference is less hate reduction for you? (i also had amends up to essence of fear) so potentially I had 62% more hate reduction. if you did have harmonious link, then I bet our differences was amends?

Jezekie

08-05-2006, 03:47 AM

I had Harmonious Link yes.There's a fair few variables to the parses, but yeah I didn't have Amends, and our raid seemed to have a bit higher DPS then yours did, which would naturally lower my DPS as others are doing more on average then your raid.But that isn't really the interesting bit, the bit I pay notice to is how much lower some of the other classes are in comparison to you in your parses, and visa versa for mine.<div></div>

Kelkirra

08-05-2006, 03:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: I had Harmonious Link yes. There's a fair few variables to the parses, but yeah I didn't have Amends, and our raid seemed to have a bit higher DPS then yours did, which would naturally lower my DPS as others are doing more on average then your raid. But that isn't really the interesting bit, the bit I pay notice to is how much lower some of the other classes are in comparison to you in your parses, and visa versa for mine. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Are you in a guild that raids consistantly? Namely a high end raiding guild or in a guild that just raids a time or 2 a week? That may be the difference. The raid that Illu is refering to is a raid set-up by the guild that I am a member of and a lot of the members do not raid with us on every single raid and we do not raid every single night. The difference may be in gear/spell quality between our raid and yours. =D

IllusiveThoughts

08-05-2006, 04:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: I had Harmonious Link yes. There's a fair few variables to the parses, but yeah I didn't have Amends, and our raid seemed to have a bit higher DPS then yours did, which would naturally lower my DPS as others are doing more on average then your raid. But that isn't really the interesting bit, the bit I pay notice to is how much lower some of the other classes are in comparison to you in your parses, and visa versa for mine. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> yeah your zone parse raid dps was about 1k higher than ours (my zone raid dps figures are in ext dps) we also have been lacking a brigand(for about 2 months), and our conj who usually matches me on parses wasn't there this time, and the other wizzie who can do about 90-95% of my dps too.

IllusiveThoughts

08-05-2006, 04:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sarasoon wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: I had Harmonious Link yes. There's a fair few variables to the parses, but yeah I didn't have Amends, and our raid seemed to have a bit higher DPS then yours did, which would naturally lower my DPS as others are doing more on average then your raid. But that isn't really the interesting bit, the bit I pay notice to is how much lower some of the other classes are in comparison to you in your parses, and visa versa for mine. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Are you in a guild that raids consistantly? Namely a high end raiding guild or in a guild that just raids a time or 2 a week? That may be the difference. The raid that Illu is refering to is a raid set-up by the guild that I am a member of and a lot of the members do not raid with us on every single raid and we do not raid every single night. The difference may be in gear/spell quality between our raid and yours. =D <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> he meant how much higher I was compaired to the other classes in the raid, not that the actual classes in the raid were bad, just the gap of about 300 dps on the zone parse from me to the next guy in the parse, where his parse all the top dps classes are neck and neck. The difference for me most of the time is if I get a troub + coercer + amends. with that combo I usually can go full burn and only sometimes kill the paly, without it I have to wait till the first mob is nearly dead before using fusion, and I cant do fun stuff like put surging tempest on an off target and protoferno on another, then switch back to the ma target and continue burning it down. Even with all that hate reduction I still dont see it as enough (since the paly is still getting agro, and without amends I get the agro) I'm wondering If I should try a guardian and get moderate (33% hate reduc) instead of amending the paly. Although now that I think about it, this raid the paly was doing anywhere from 800-900 dps, so me giving him 800ish dps of hate may have been what was getting him killed.

Admh

08-05-2006, 05:24 PM

<div></div> Illu... based on your parses.. i must say that your conjurer, necro, monk and scouts do lack dps <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .. just to point that out... I can barely keep up with a conjurer. or unless you're just posting parses in which you're at the top. 80% of the time I raid.. i'm usually under a summoner, or a predator.<div></div>Message Edited by Admhel on 08-05-2006 09:25 AM

ailees

08-05-2006, 07:50 PM

hehe ! nope IT is not posting only the good parses, would be cheating, and I don't think he's the kind of guy who cheats.Now it is true that I can't think of a way to have 30% or more damages than the best conjurers of Synergy. I'm allways under 1 or 2 of them when I merge all fights of a raid (and one scout as well). Maybe I got one raid a month where I beat them. Harla Dar being an example.I would say IT is very good AND his fellow conjurers needs to upgrade their stuff <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />now as far as I'm concerned, I learnt a lot of things about my own DPS/casting order/agro managing in this board with him, and that the important thing. IMO. (no H)<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

08-05-2006, 09:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Admhel wrote: Illu... based on your parses.. i must say that your conjurer, necro, monk and scouts do lack dps <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .. just to point that out... I can barely keep up with a conjurer. or unless you're just posting parses in which you're at the top. 80% of the time I raid.. i'm usually under a summoner, or a predator. Message Edited by Admhel on 08-05-2006 09:25 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> the conj who can match me wasn't on this raid. if you go over some of the older parses (allestair) he can and has beaten me on several encounters in total dmg and also in dps. I tend to have more support than him (troub buffs + harmonious link ect), and he's not fully aa'd yet (37 last i was told). when he does go full out he can pull agro and die usually around 2k dps, where when im raid buffed I can usually max out and still not pull agro. I also post the zone parses every time I post a parse of our last raids, I cant fudge those #'s, and the zone parses dont always tell the whole story, like who was there the whole time, who left early, (the necro has been 2 boxing lately--mystic--, and is parsing in the top 4--so i'd say he's definately not slacking <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) the monk is in my guild and is 3 masters shy of being fully mastered, finally won one of the twin calamities, and has been doing 1k dps pretty consistantly when he tries. the bruiser has done 2k dps before but tends to pull agro too much so he usually drops his dps down pretty low. our ranger can do 1-1.4k pretty consistantly but needs a fabled bow, he picked up a fabled 1hndr and gained another 150 dps on the zone parses from 750is to almost 900. so he's getting up there too.

TheBu

08-05-2006, 11:29 PM

<DIV> IllusiveThoughts or others when do u start to aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>looks like with the dps the tank is putting out and any kinda of hate generation and/or reducer you guys can start to aoe early? about how long untill u guys aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and did i c someone say 2 ap a week with raids?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps Thanks all, for the posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

IllusiveThoughts

08-06-2006, 12:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote: <DIV> IllusiveThoughts or others when do u start to aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>looks like with the dps the tank is putting out and any kinda of hate generation and/or reducer you guys can start to aoe early? about how long untill u guys aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and did i c someone say 2 ap a week with raids?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps Thanks all, for the posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I start aoe'ing once the mobs are in position and im lined up for a 3 or 2 hit fusion, usually start with frigid gift, glacial winds, free hand fusion, FOR, and firestorm, although I tend to swap that around in different combos (mixing in surge of flames too) *edit* although without at least a troub and harmonious link, i get conservative on aoe's and do not use fusion until the first mob is nearly dead, and have it macro'ed to let people know i'm going to die.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 08-05-2006 01:16 PM

Kelkirra

08-06-2006, 12:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote: <DIV> IllusiveThoughts or others when do u start to aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>looks like with the dps the tank is putting out and any kinda of hate generation and/or reducer you guys can start to aoe early? about how long untill u guys aoe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and did i c someone say 2 ap a week with raids?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ps Thanks all, for the posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I start aoe'ing once the mobs are in position and im lined up for a 3 or 2 hit fusion, usually start with frigid gift, glacial winds, free hand fusion, FOR, and firestorm, although I tend to swap that around in different combos (mixing in surge of flames too) *edit* although without at least a troub and harmonious link, i get conservative on aoe's and do not use fusion until the first mob is nearly dead, and have it macro'ed to let people know i'm going to die. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 08-05-2006 01:16 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> "Incomming Wizard Rescue, be prepared to Rez me" Yeah, I see that every fight O_O.