Int line vs other lines

[lubu1977]

<DIV>I've tested that wis and str or wis and agi do some major dps. However, the aggro issue is the problem, so I went all the way for int line: 4x4x4x8x8. I still do some crazy dps vs other wizzy who went wis and str or wis and agi line. In raid, I always came in second with 700ish dps total for the whole 5hr raid, and swash came in first place. Other wizzy not even in top 5 dps cuz those are not good wizzy. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Last night, I went in with another raid for trial 4. There are some good player wizzy I know. They went str and wis line all the way. In 4hr raid, the ranking showed swash>ranger>Me>Other Wizzy>conj. The set up for my dps group was me, other wizzy, 2conj, necro, and troub. Because the troub put up 40% hate reduced, most of us went all out on dps, but I, with int line maxed out, still came in first in the group. Imagine, if the troub is not in our group, any of the mages came close to me should draw aggro because I always have my hate reduced casted and on top of that I have 10% hate reduced in passive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore, if u go wiz and str line, u have to watch out for the aggro cuz if u'r not paying attention to your casting order, U will draw aggro, and the concussive will never save u. Don't mention about cease cuz it only decreases 900 hate max.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I did try out str and agi line. I was whooping every1 in parse cuz I was grouping with troub and the right set up for tank group, so I hardly drawed aggro but still I could draw aggro when my dps increased faster than hate gain of the MT.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From my experience, if u'r in a very good guild, U can go str and wis line or agi. But u have to watch out the aggro cuz we'r not scout class who has 2 to 3 dif hate reduced with faster recast and hate transfer on top of that, and they also have dps and haste buffs from other class and poison potions to increase their dps tremendously.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For pick up raid, Int line is the best choice in my experience. For in guild raid, int line (4x4x4x<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and str line max should do it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the end, with best equip and choice pick it comes down to players' skill to excel wizzy class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are t1 dps! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  </DIV>

[Pins]

Compare yourself with the INT line to the WIS line to make a valid comparison. That way it is only different AAs, and not differing player skill to deteremine the difference in the lines.

[lubu1977]

<DIV>I was comparing the int line with other line. However, I wasn't comparing each by each, just comparing the combination. I don't want to spend too much money on that. Wis and str line will definitely increase your dps. I hate wis line cuz u have to sacrafice secondary slot. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>About player skill, y 1 wizzy does more damage than other wizzy when both have the same equipment and spell quality. Even with dif AA, if u know your class well, u should outdamage the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, I was abit bias about mixing up player skill and AA. That is true though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was going to say Int line will make you going all out without worrying about aggro as for wis or str if u'r going all out, u will draw aggro. It all depends on situation. As I said above, with right set up group, u can do more damage and not worrying about aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I keep going for the right set up of spells and continue without casting hate reduced spells, I will draw aggro. If I break up the set up and squeeze in some hate debuffs from int line and other hate debuffs, I don't have to worry about aggro. If i'm in a troub group, I might not need to cast hate debuff spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lubu1977 wrote:<BR> <DIV>I was comparing the int line with other line. However, I wasn't comparing each by each, just comparing the combination. I don't want to spend too much money on that. Wis and str line will definitely increase your dps. I hate wis line cuz u have to sacrafice secondary slot. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>About player skill, y 1 wizzy does more damage than other wizzy when both have the same equipment and spell quality. Even with dif AA, if u know your class well, u should outdamage the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, I was abit bias about mixing up player skill and AA. That is true though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was going to say Int line will make you going all out without worrying about aggro as for wis or str if u'r going all out, u will draw aggro. It all depends on situation. As I said above, with right set up group, u can do more damage and not worrying about aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I keep going for the right set up of spells and continue without casting hate reduced spells, I will draw aggro. If I break up the set up and squeeze in some hate debuffs from int line and other hate debuffs, I don't have to worry about aggro. If i'm in a troub group, I might not need to cast hate debuff spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>did you take concussive blasts or just do the int line to the passive hate reduction?</P> <P>I'm curious how a wizard with 0 raid support does (in dps terms) with maxed int line (concussive blasts + de-agro staff + passive de-agro + ceace + concussive + hate reduc pet + skywatcher robe)</P> <P>I dont think many wizards have gone down that route, but I think it may be great for guilds that dont have a troubador or a coercer to stack hate reduction / hate gain on the MT / wizzie.  Of course theres no data so we just dont know.</P>

[lubu1977]

<P>"did you take concussive blasts or just do the int line to the passive hate reduction?"</P> <P>Yes I did</P> <P>I went all the way 4x4x4x8x8. I have 4 AA left to use.</P> <P>Some ppls don't believe I max out int line and still beat them in parse. They told me i was lying but I tell them y don't u do as much as damage as I do without drawing aggro. That would shut them off.</P> <P>I'm the one that have in raid guild with 2 and a half groups, alliance raid, and pick up raid 3-4 times a week. Most of the time, I was in a group without regen bot or hate reduced bot. I have about 51incombat regen and a whole lots of hate reduced buffs, so I can independently support my dps ability and excel in any raid.</P> <P>However, if i'm in a very good and organized guild I might go dif AA path which can do twice as much I am now.</P> <P>From my experience, as long as I can keep my dps consistent I can outdo any wiz in any 4-5hr raid. I average about 550ish in no troub group and 700ish in a troub group total in a 5hr raid.</P> <P>They might beat me in couple parse but they can't beat me in the long run.</P> <P>I know couple wiz do better than me when they'r in troub group in the long run. I'm always in top 5 dps in a long raid.</P> <P>In conclusive, int line is the best line in my "Experience"...</P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>lubu1977 wrote: <P>"did you take concussive blasts or just do the int line to the passive hate reduction?"</P> <P>Yes I did</P> <P>I went all the way 4x4x4x8x8. I have 4 AA left to use.</P> <P>Some ppls don't believe I max out int line and still beat them in parse. They told me i was lying but I tell them y don't u do as much as damage as I do without drawing aggro. That would shut them off.</P> <P>I'm the one that have in raid guild with 2 and a half groups, alliance raid, and pick up raid 3-4 times a week. Most of the time, I was in a group without regen bot or hate reduced bot. I have about 51incombat regen and a whole lots of hate reduced buffs, so I can independently support my dps ability and excel in any raid.</P> <P>However, if i'm in a very good and organized guild I might go dif AA path which can do twice as much I am now.</P> <P>From my experience, as long as I can keep my dps consistent I can outdo any wiz in any 4-5hr raid. I average about 550ish in no troub group and 700ish in a troub group total in a 5hr raid.</P> <P>They might beat me in couple parse but they can't beat me in the long run.</P> <P>I know couple wiz do better than me when they'r in troub group in the long run. I'm always in top 5 dps in a long raid.</P> <P>In conclusive, int line is the best line in my "Experience"...</P><hr></blockquote> If that's all you're averaging, then obviously you're comparing against people who aren't very good at their classes. I'm an Illusionist and with no hate reduction I can get to around 1200 on a single target and not pull aggro, and average 1000 DPS in halls of seeing. If any wizards are below me, they are obviously not dont a very good job at being a wizard.

[ailees]

If you think that, it's OK for you.I just can say is that your test tecnic is not a very good one, and proofs nothing at all, that's the problem with trying to say "my line is best DPS".<i>it is</i>, for you...and for you only.The only way to be more objectiv is to show parses, lots of, and comparisons. That's what some peoples here did. Not much, because I admit it is long and boring.  Right now with extensive testing that <b>Illusive Thoughts</b>, <b>QQfatman </b>and <b>me </b>have done (and sure others, but sorry I don't remember all names), our only conclusion is that best damages are done with wisdom+agi line or wisd+strengh line, and that the difference between 2 ways  much more depends on the way you play, the series you cast  than on AA itself.I'm also in the 5 top DPS of a 5 hour raid in T7. Yes, I die around 10/15 times when a pally does not amend me, but I don't care.I'd die less if I were with intelligence, but would do less damages. Well, I think so, because I did not test and will not, I'm too happy when I see 25K crit or a 50K (or more) fusion triple hit. But that's totally another problem. Anyway if I wanted to be high DPS without big boooooooms and not much agro, I'll be a pet master. But I played that for 6 years in EQ1, and I want to be a boomer.<div></div>

[lubu1977]

<P>"If that's all you're averaging, then obviously you're comparing against people who aren't very good at their classes. I'm an Illusionist and with no hate reduction I can get to around 1200 on a single target and not pull aggro, and average 1000 DPS in halls of seeing. If any wizards are below me, they are obviously not dont a very good job at being a wizard. "</P> <P>Hmm...Don't u read all of my replies? U'r not pulling aggro cuz your tank set up group. If u attend pick up raid, try that constant nukes and u will pull aggro 9/10 times. </P> <P>For 1200dps, for the record I have 1400dps in the 50s fight and 1300dps in 2min fight. That's not the point. The point is how u accomodate your aa line to the style of your playing.</P> <P>Some ppl like big boom and some like stay alive and dps. It's all Situational Senario.</P> <P>Also, u'r not pulling aggro cuz of your right support group and raid. U'r in hardcore and u better know that.</P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Pinski wrote:<BR><BR>If that's all you're averaging, then obviously you're comparing against people who aren't very good at their classes. I'm an Illusionist and with no hate reduction I can get to around 1200 on a single target and not pull aggro, and average 1000 DPS in halls of seeing. If any wizards are below me, they are obviously not dont a very good job at being a wizard.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>not all wizards are fully adp3 or at the int cap, or have good spell proc gear, and fabled equipment.  it can be difficult to maximize your dps on a pickup raid.</P> <P>For reference last night i helped with a harla dar raid, and had amends for the sactum part and was doing 1100-1800 dps, then went into harla dar and received 0 hate reduction due to a 2 tank group set up and the only other amends going to their guild wizzie, I couldn't really do more than 8-900 dps or pull agro, and I was getting random agro, I only averaged 780ish for the zone numero 2 on the parser below teh ranger. </P> <P>Taking into account yelling the adds and stacking them all up on the mt the parser was running non stop in the instance so the entire raid looked like it had less dps, that doesn't mean I suck or I was slacking, it was all I could do with the support I was given.  I couldn't ice nova or pull agro and I couldn't fusion or pull agro, so my 2 biggest nukes were out the window, and hell I couldn't chain cast ball of lava or i'd pull agro (average hit was 5-5500) had to stick to low dmg dots and give mt like 8-10s lead time on mobs.</P> <P>In this worst case senario the int line would benefit a wizard by how much I do not know, as im rarely on a raid without at least amends.</P>

[lubu1977]

<P>"If you think that, it's OK for you.<BR>I just can say is that your test tecnic is not a very good one, and proofs nothing at all, that's the problem with trying to say "my line is best DPS".<BR><I>it is</I>, for you...and for you only.<BR>The only way to be more objectiv is to show parses, lots of, and comparisons. <BR>That's what some peoples here did. Not much, because I admit it is long and boring.  <BR>Right now with extensive testing that <B>Illusive Thoughts</B>, <B>QQfatman </B>and <B>me </B>have done (and sure others, but sorry I don't remember all names), our only conclusion is that best damages are done with wisdom+agi line or wisd+strengh line, and that the difference between 2 ways  much more depends on the way you play, the series you cast  than on AA itself.<BR><BR>I'm also in the 5 top DPS of a 5 hour raid in T7. Yes, I die around 10/15 times when a pally does not amend me, but I don't care.<BR>I'd die less if I were with intelligence, but would do less damages. Well, I think so, because I did not test and will not, I'm too happy when I see 25K crit or a 50K (or more) fusion triple hit. But that's totally another problem. <BR>Anyway if I wanted to be high DPS without big boooooooms and not much agro, I'll be a pet master. But I played that for 6 years in EQ1, and I want to be a boomer."</P> <P>AA line or wtever a class u want it to be is based on your style of playing. No one says or I say if u want good dps, u must go this line. I was pointing out int line is as good as other in every1 perspective: not the best cuz it's just personal opinion. </P> <P>When I said it's the best, it's opionated and it's not best way to comparing it, but I somewhat point out int line is what a wizzy needs like scouts have.</P> <P>Well, I have read this board every day and see ppl testing out other lines so I have tested, but it got me frustrated when I died so many times of pulling aggro and guild leader hated that.  Therefore , I went to int line and I love it.</P> <P>I'm sharing this not trying to offend anyone who loves what they doing or how they playing their class.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[lubu1977]

<DIV>Illusive, that's what I experienced in the past and in order to contribute the raid, I have to do the best I can by not aggro at the same time doing good and consistant dps. Max out dps and being the top and not worrying aggro issue then I will not be accepted in raid. That's not team work.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore, I went int line to try out and I love it....</DIV>

[ailees]

<div></div>yeah it's true lots of things depends also on the way your guild is playing ! if I die, they just say 'mad concentrated erudite died again' (others say also 'go go gnome' but they know nothing about life, and are bunch of rats or ogres). And when they have nothing else to do, they rezz me. I prefer not to tell you what some of them do with my corpse.As a counterpart, I admit that when I must not get aggro, I can ! <div></div><p>Message Edited by ailees on <span class=date_text>07-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:01 AM</span>