Wizard-Defiler combo...

[GastonPhoebus]

<DIV>Greetings, Wigglers! I am a very experienced EQ2 player, but have focused most of my playtime on my Monk and various scouts- I have not played a caster past level 43 (Necro).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I recently rolled a Wizard to play alongside my fiance's Defiler.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am simply amazed at our ability to stomp everything! Nothing hits me, and my damage output is more than sufficient to handle most mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is: Will this change as we level? Right now we are level 25 and very modestly equipped. Can we expect to remain a good duo, or will the difficulty factor increase as we move on from here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Many thanks in advance!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Livia Drusa</DIV> <DIV>25 Wizard</DIV> <DIV>Lucan D'Lere</DIV>

[duuf]

    The defiler is a great character class but he is both a chain wearer and and a healer.  While thats ok against normal mobs moving up to challenging herioc and nameds will be iffy.  The defiler wlll become the one pounded and probably won't be able to hold the agro.  At that point your best strategy would probably be the old wizzy standby root and nuke with the defiler backing you using their amazing cures and healing. Duufuss lvl70 pally Duffus lvl70 wiz Everfrost <div></div>

[GastonPhoebus]

<DIV>Hmmm.... actually I am the one who is tanking with the Defiler casting damage wards. I have no trouble keeping aggro off him (Defiler) with my damage output, but I am unsure whether or not at some point the wards will not be enough to continue with me tanking as a caster....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just don't want to get too excited and spend a lot of time levelling these two if it is only going to end up as a duo dead-end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>: )</DIV>

[duuf]

The answer is yes you can continue your wizard tanking all the way to the end game.   Wizards are deadly solo artists in the end game able to do hard nameds rooting and jousting getting their resistances up to max and using potions for cures and buffs.  With your defiler buffs heals and cures you probably wont even have to joust making it a root and nuke fest.  Your limitations with that set up will be areas with lots of add ons and/or tight confines. Thats where a plate tank such as pally (i'm prejudiced) would probably be more effective. Duufuss lvl70 pally Duffus lvl70 wizzy Everfrost <div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GastonPhoebus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hmmm.... actually I am the one who is tanking with the Defiler casting damage wards. I have no trouble keeping aggro off him (Defiler) with my damage output, but I am unsure whether or not at some point the wards will not be enough to continue with me tanking as a caster....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just don't want to get too excited and spend a lot of time levelling these two if it is only going to end up as a duo dead-end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>: )</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>have your fiance re-roll a warden.  they get 2 roots just like wizards do only their chance to break is half ours, and their durations are double the length of ours.</P> <P>gear her up for intelligence, and the two of you combined will be able to root/nuke any heroic mob in the game, and duo pretty much any instanced zone.</P>

[Treolis]

<DIV>Been playing a Wizzy since Jan. 05 and my brother w/ a Defiler since launch.  We can own just about everything duo.  We know each other's class inside and out which helps a lot.  This combo if both players are in full fabled gear w/ 90% M1's is extremly deadly.  Hope you enjoy it as much as I have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Logarithm</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>70 Wizard </DIV></DIV> <DIV>Ancient Vengeance - Najena</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Bong_water]

<blockquote><hr>rtwitty wrote:    The defiler is a great character class but he is both a chain wearer and and a healer.  While thats ok against normal mobs moving up to challenging herioc and nameds will be iffy.  The defiler wlll become the one pounded and probably won't be able to hold the agro.  At that point your best strategy would probably be the old wizzy standby root and nuke with the defiler backing you using their amazing cures and healing. Duufuss lvl70 pally Duffus lvl70 wiz Everfrost <div></div><hr></blockquote>Nah you got it backwards. Wiz = tank. Play the wiz as though your soloing and then the defiler would just kinda be around for the heals. Nothing against Defilers , i have one and love her but it that duo group the wiz will shine while the defiler will make sure that wiz is still alive to keep shining<div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bong_water wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rtwitty wrote:<BR>    The defiler is a great character class but he is both a chain wearer and and a healer.  While thats ok against normal mobs moving up to challenging herioc and nameds will be iffy.  The defiler wlll become the one pounded and probably won't be able to hold the agro.  At that point your best strategy would probably be the old wizzy standby root and nuke with the defiler backing you using their amazing cures and healing.<BR><BR>Duufuss lvl70 pally<BR>Duffus lvl70 wiz <BR>Everfrost<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nah you got it backwards. Wiz = tank. Play the wiz as though your soloing and then the defiler would just kinda be around for the heals. Nothing against Defilers , i have one and love her but it that duo group the wiz will shine while the defiler will make sure that wiz is still alive to keep shining<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>any heroic who is white or higher will chew up a wizard tank.  I mean its doo-able, but even with ward of sages (357 pt regenerative ward) vultak eye (400 pt 10 min ward) and xhavis gown (350 pt 3 min ward) that gets chewed through in 2 hits.  then the aoe ward from defiler is about 3K, singles range from 1k - 500.</P> <P>It would be more efficient to root/nuke those heroics, yellow and higher forget about tanking.</P>

[Bong_water]

<blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<div></div> <p>It would be more efficient to root/nuke those heroics, yellow and higher forget about tanking.</p><hr></blockquote>thats what i ment.. play the wiz in a solo style and the defiler would be more of a backuprole. I didnt mean a wiz and a white ^^^ goin toe to toe <div></div>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>have your fiance re-roll a warden.  they get 2 roots just like wizards do only their chance to break is half ours, and their durations are double the length of ours.</P> <P>gear her up for intelligence, and the two of you combined will be able to root/nuke any heroic mob in the game, and duo pretty much any instanced zone.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>My wife and I have played Defiler / Wizzy since beta and IMHO, is one of the best combos in the game. We can level insanely fast as just a duo, we bring a lot to a group and have little trouble doing named that are white con or less. In beta everyone told us we were crazy, it wouldn't work well and like above, suggested numerous different combos, but we are extremely happy we stuck with it.. it is a very fun duo to play and honestly, I have grouped my wizzy with numerous different classes and none allow me to take on the stuff I can with a defiler partner. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Her wards make me a great tank and everything dies way before it has a chance to kill me. Just make sure she gets all her wards / heals at Adept 3 or Master and you are all set. When you level up and get the Protoflame pet, make it Adept 3 or Master as well, as you will find it very useful in this combo to lead off with and take some hits while you debuff then drop some heavy nukes on the mob before gaining agro.<BR></P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kwoung wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>have your fiance re-roll a warden.  they get 2 roots just like wizards do only their chance to break is half ours, and their durations are double the length of ours.</P> <P>gear her up for intelligence, and the two of you combined will be able to root/nuke any heroic mob in the game, and duo pretty much any instanced zone.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>My wife and I have played Defiler / Wizzy since beta and IMHO, is one of the best combos in the game. We can level insanely fast as just a duo, we bring a lot to a group and have little trouble doing named that are white con or less. In beta everyone told us we were crazy, it wouldn't work well and like above, suggested numerous different combos, but we are extremely happy we stuck with it.. it is a very fun duo to play and honestly, I have grouped my wizzy with numerous different classes and none allow me to take on the stuff I can with a defiler partner. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Her wards make me a great tank and everything dies way before it has a chance to kill me. Just make sure she gets all her wards / heals at Adept 3 or Master and you are all set. When you level up and get the Protoflame pet, make it Adept 3 or Master as well, as you will find it very useful in this combo to lead off with and take some hits while you debuff then drop some heavy nukes on the mob before gaining agro.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>glad you enjoy it.  Thats what really counts.  </P> <P>However a different healer with roots and nukes would be more of an optimum partner for a wizard (like a warden)</P> <P>warding classes work well for conj/necro duo's.</P>

[Admiraldo]

<DIV>Here here to the Wizard/Defiler combo!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Level 44 wizard here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have spent the past 4 nights going through all different places name killing with a level 48 deliler and I feel almost invulnerable. I tank and he wards and heals and I have never had this many legendary and fabled drops in such a short time.  In the past 3 days I have found 7 fabled and 12 legendary items. I have made a lot of money and have only died once to combat. I have been playing EQ 2 for about 18 months and have never had this much fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Love the defiler!</DIV>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <P>glad you enjoy it.  Thats what really counts.  </P> <P>However a different healer with roots and nukes would be more of an optimum partner for a wizard (like a warden)</P> <P>warding classes work well for conj/necro duo's.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Probelm with a healer rooter is.. when root breaks.. I am dead.. every time. I die way to fast on the mobs we do to be healed, the only way to live is to not thake the damage in the first place, which requires wards. I have yet to find a healer that can keep me alive when I am getting hit and I have found way to many unrootable or root resistant mobs (and all my roots are adept 3) for this to be an effective everyday strategy. I have on occassion, been able to do orange con mobs that were susceptable to root roting/nuking because well, I have two roots of my own and at least one is always refreshed before the timer runs out.

[Judist]

<P>After achieving lvl 70 on my main I decided to focus on another alt. I have a tank, but tanks are "a dime a dozen" on my server and have a hard time now getting into groups after lvl 60. So I picked Defiler because of a lack of high end shaman (as they're one of the least played classes).</P> <P>I have no idea why they're aren't more. I have more fun duo'in with my defiler (lvl50) than raiding T7 zones w/ my main. Between my constant buff ward, 2 cast wards, 2 emergency cast wards and 3 heal spells, I can make ANY class a tank. </P> <P>My favorite duo partner is a wizard guildmate. If I get aggro when an encounter starts I simply stand there any let him drop an AOE bomb. As I wear nothing but legendary class chain armor I can take plenty of hits. After that his DPS easilly takes care of the rest when it comes to aggro. I can pitch in with wiz de-buffs and add plenty of DoTs but it's his massive DPS that makes it work. In extreme situations he can root nuke until the mobs is around 50%, then it's cake from there on out.</P> <P>I've duo'd with tanks, scouts and mages and by far the wizard is top pick. </P> <P>Wizards can dps, root, invis and evac. Everything you need minus the shaman to make you invincible.</P><p>Message Edited by BeatinGuts on <span class=date_text>07-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 AM</span>

[Parasite]

<DIV>I have a defiler on a 2nd account which I two box with my wizard sometimes. The combo in unbelieveably powerful. There is no better healer for a wizard in a duo situation. Clerics can't keep a wizard up very well and druids can but they've been iffy on more than one mob or nameds. I have no trouble playing both characters and killing any yellow or lower heroic, named or otherwise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the most part I just tank with my wizzy, but keeping an eye on the wards I may root for a few seconds to refresh the wards. The debuffs make a huge difference too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wardens or especially furies make great partners with wizards as well but you have to kite a lot more. It can be more fun and you can sometimes take more dangerous encounters, but it's more work and slower.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A 2nd wizard or a warlock is a lot of fun to duo. Conjurors also make great partners as well as paladins and rangers. It can get kinda tricky without a class that can heal, but my ranger friend and I have taken just about every heroic encounter in DoF and KoS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Brockaine2]

<DIV>Some type of druid would work better....no ward can save you from a heroic so its betetr to keep it ranged and just nuke it down.</DIV>

[svek]

<DIV><FONT size=2>"Some type of druid would work better....no ward can save you from a heroic so its betetr to keep it ranged and just nuke it down. "</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>That's strange, I've been tanking yellow conned large enouncter, 3 encounter, 2 encounter and single tripple arrows</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>with my warlock having a defiler as a healer and never bothered with roots.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Just nuke and tank it while she was warding/healing/debuffing.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Only time I've bothered with roots in situations like that was when killing of the nameds or getting an add</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>rest I could tank just heads on.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Shouldnt really be any difference between warlock and wizard tanking <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and yes this is both</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>pre and post we LU24 so I've done it before and after nullmail actually got useful.</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by svek on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:10 PM</span>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Brockaine222 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Some type of druid would work better....no ward can save you from a heroic so its betetr to keep it ranged and just nuke it down.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Not true at all, I have tanked plenty of heroics with my wife (Defiler) warding me. What is true, is no amount of wardless healing will keep you alive with a heroic beating on you, its wards and heals between or bust. Easier to root / nuke and only have the wards/heals for when root breaks, but generally even then I only bother keeping it rooted to 50%, then just burn it down while it beats on me.