OK Now that we have played awile with AA'S which combo or AA's Path is the best

[rackman]

<DIV>Ok, The reason I am asking is I am pretty good outfitted Wizzy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid 4 nites a week</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no Alts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All Adept3's pr masters in spells</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Used Concusive every 4 casts </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And made Number 63 on ther server for Death's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So i maxed out the int line and literally stop dieing never taking agro(yeah me)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But all my fellow wizzys comrades tell me that the wis freehand sorcery aa is the way to go</DIV> <DIV>and I grouped with fellow wizzy in HOF ( we of course shreaded the zone , made the tank and healer age 10 years)</DIV> <DIV>and he really whooped my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when we parsered the fights and encounters.</DIV> <DIV>He also died more but not [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] much as i thought</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So please take this 70 Noob wizzy and guide him to the correct path</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rackman wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, The reason I am asking is I am pretty good outfitted Wizzy</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Raid 4 nites a week</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have no Alts</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All Adept3's pr masters in spells</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Used Concusive every 4 casts </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And made Number 63 on ther server for Death's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So i maxed out the int line and literally stop dieing never taking agro(yeah me)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But all my fellow wizzys comrades tell me that the wis freehand sorcery aa is the way to go</DIV> <DIV>and I grouped with fellow wizzy in HOF ( we of course shreaded the zone , made the tank and healer age 10 years)</DIV> <DIV>and he really whooped my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] when we parsered the fights and encounters.</DIV> <DIV>He also died more but not [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] much as i thought</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So please take this 70 Noob wizzy and guide him to the correct path</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>concussive every 4 casts?</P> <P>its on a 30 second recast timer, unless your litterally doing nothing for 20 seconds until concussive refreshes I dont understand that one bit?</P> <P> </P> <P>The *best* aa path depends on your play style and the people you group with / raid with.</P> <P>If you find yourself dieing more often than not due to over-agro, and do not want to die so much then the int line is a good choice.</P> <P>If you despise the long cast timers try the agi line</P> <P>if you can give up your secondary slot for additional dmg and a nice self regenning ward then the wisdom line is your choice</P> <P>if you like to make big booms and see big #'s flash on the screen then take the str line</P> <P>if you get beat on a lot or duel often / pvp then the sta line is good for you.</P> <P> </P> <P>Choose what makes you happy and dont worry about a parser.</P>

[Admh]

<P>Can't really tell ya which is the best one for you. I'm just guessing it's situational and is based on your group setup and raid setup combined. I can't really tell ya which is best, but I can tell you what is best for me. In my situation, i'm spoiled. I have no aggro problems during raids because we have the classes needed to maintain the MT his aggro. I chose Wisdom and Strength line because I don't need a de-aggro at all.</P> <UL> <LI>Strength - Spell Crits</LI> <LI>Agility - Spell Haste</LI> <LI>Stamina - Defensive Skills (PvP Oriented)</LI> <LI>Wisdom - Spell damage/power modifications (+dmg, -pwr cost)</LI> <LI>Intelligence - Aggro Management</LI></UL> <P>All these attributes are pretty much the basis of all our lines. It's up to you as a wizard to be efficient on raids. I'm not saying that you should go crazy on big hit aa's unless you have something to mitigate that much damage. If you get one shotted after you toss a 25k + nuke because your raid lacks aggro management, then you shouldn't choose these lines. Consistent mid-range dps is better than a dead-wizard-dps.</P>

[ltpyromacc]

<P>I agree, STR and WIS are the best ways to go if you raid with a good tank and have it set up to keep agro on him.  Personally I don't know how you die alot in raids if your not putting up the high numbers on the parser unless your casting order is off and you start the heavy hits to soon.  Should always start with the small hits untill tank calls full burn on his target (usually around 85 to 90% in our raids) then open up and let them have it.  If your still getting agro try putting your agro debiff on your first nova you cast and then you should be alright.</P> <P> </P> <P>This is my casting order if it helps:  (all spells are adept 3 except for Ball of Incineration which is master1)</P> <P>Icesheild - as the tank grabs the target<BR>Inferno surge<BR>Frigid Gift<BR>Protoferno<BR>Rending Icicles<BR>Surging Tempest - Good for its long duration<BR>Fiery Convulsions<BR>(now by this time your tank should have a good hold on agro)<BR><BR>After this point you can change it around a bit depending on how good your tank has agro, my tank is awsome at holding agro so I do this:</P> <P>Fusion w/ freehand sorcery - (If you need you can cast concussive before this)<BR>Ice Nova<BR>Irradiate<BR>Sunstrike<BR>Incapacitate<BR>Sunstrike<BR>Ball of Incineration<BR>Sunstrike<BR><BR>I mix a little power conversions in there after that to maintain a longer casting time.  Just repeat and throw in Nova / Inferno Surge / Fusion as they become available.</P> <P> </P> <P>I usually stay within the top 5 on dps and if I'm lucky with the numbers can stay in the top 2.</P> <P> </P> <P>Hope this helps.</P> <P>__________________________________________________ ____<BR>Lets get wizards back to the top of the DPS chain where we belong</P>

[ailees]

if you die a lot, there is a problem with your raid agro management.As I don't like to solo, I manage my wizard to be a good damager. The very best I can be. in RAIDS situations, or maybe in group, not at all in solo.<ul><li>Wisdom line : 4/5/4/8/0 : 5 freehand (24 % + damage) and 8 Brain storm (+8% base damage)</li><li>Strengh line : 4/4/4/8/? 8 in expertise (+11,7% damage) and maybe soon 8 in catalyst</li></ul>I never use concussion, I have the gargouille pet on.I worked a lot with a parser to see how I could increase my damages ; I made a special post about it : in the labs zone, I studied with parser how mizard behave, with one aim : to have max damage in the raid.http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=24203..I f my aim were to increase damages in group, I would have got AA differently, as fast casting should be better (see IllusiveThought ideas for that) with more agro management.And of course would again be different if I were a soloer (ward ?).But as a raider, I think my choice is best (of course, I can be wrong), all agro management is made by my raid friends, tanks who stick to mobs like glue, and those who take agro from me with some spells or specialities.<div></div>

[-Immolatu]

I go for the big damage with strength line for crits and wis line for increased spell dmg.Strength - 4/4/4/4/8Wisdom - 4/8/4/8This may not be for everyone however... being able to crit fusion/ice nova as i please, I tend to die alot more... but with a quick concussive and good tank you should be fine <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  On regular I'll hit 24-25k fusion and 18-20k ice nova with this set-up.Another good combo is the agi line and the wis line. You get increased spell damage along with faster casting time and faster reuse timers which is nice. So you want to do a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] load of dmg in one nuke? or cast faster and have the dps add up over time? <div></div>

[rackman]

<DIV>Very good discussion guys </DIV> <DIV>Very informative</DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV>

[TheBu]

<DIV>Thast what I need.  The numbers.  What tracks will give me the most DPS.</DIV> <DIV>I am unsure on the chances of crits % and how they compare to increased min damge and shorter casting time. Crit % to me mean more like a chance to die. </DIV> <DIV>What will give us the most dps consentenly?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> -Immolatus- wrote:<BR>I go for the big damage with strength line for crits and wis line for increased spell dmg.<BR><BR>Strength - 4/4/4/4/8<BR>Wisdom - 4/8/4/8<BR><BR>This may not be for everyone however... being able to crit fusion/ice nova as i please, I tend to die alot more... but with a quick concussive and good tank you should be fine <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  On regular I'll hit 24-25k fusion and 18-20k ice nova with this set-up.<BR><BR>Another good combo is the agi line and the wis line. You get increased spell damage along with faster casting time and faster reuse timers which is nice. So you want to do a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] load of dmg in one nuke? or cast faster and have the dps add up over time? <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>

[ailees]

there is already one or even 2 or 3 postss speaking about that.<div></div>

[slippery]

I've had 44488 Str and 4548 Wis since I had 50 AA's, tonight I decided to try going crits and the spell haste from agi... Yea, wow. No. Agi sucks, horribly. Complete waste of AA's. Suffice to say after doing 2/3rds or less the dps I was doing with str/wis I immediately went back and respec'd back to str/wis. The Claymore can sit in my bags and rot away while I use the Misty Fiztpizzle Protector. Claymore sucks anyways.<div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> canoppener wrote:<BR>I've had 44488 Str and 4548 Wis since I had 50 AA's, tonight I decided to try going crits and the spell haste from agi... Yea, wow. No. Agi sucks, horribly. Complete waste of AA's. Suffice to say after doing 2/3rds or less the dps I was doing with str/wis I immediately went back and respec'd back to str/wis. The Claymore can sit in my bags and rot away while I use the Misty Fiztpizzle Protector. Claymore sucks anyways.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I had the same problem with the str/wis line combo when I tried it out for a week, my dps was down about 15-20%  I never tried str/agi, dont think either of the two will make up for the guaranteed 8% additional dps from wisdom line.</P> <P>I respecced back to my previous build agi 4/4/4/8 and wis 4/8/8/8 and i was doing even MORE dps than before with the additional 4.4% spell haste from spellshaping.</P> <P>I posted my observations in the thread where people were wondering how much spellshaping at max rank gives.</P> <P>I did want to note one thing from your reply, it took me another few days before I got used to the spell haste again.  because using str/wis changes the spell chain that you can use when compared to agi/wis, (cast faster thus you have some dead spots between spell refreshes that have to be filled out)</P> <P>and you absolutely must chain every single spell when doing agi line for any type of benefit to show it self.</P>

[ailees]

as the OP could notice there is no right path, but there are some wrong ones.Now, maybe you should first explain what you play more : raid, group or solo ? <div></div>