Protoferno at Master level?

[valkyrja]

I have Protoferno ad ad3 and was considering geting the Master, since I use it a lot.  However, I'm not really sure what I'm gaining by doing so.  What is the benefit of upgrading dumbfire pets?  More DPS? Hore HP's? Both?Thanks for any info you might have.<div></div>

[Jezekie]

It doesn't seem to be that terribly impressive a dumbfire pet a Master, haven't really parsed it that extensivly, but it's more like a minor DoT I guess, constantly ticking away.<div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sparql wrote:<BR>I have Protoferno ad ad3 and was considering geting the Master, since I use it a lot.  However, I'm not really sure what I'm gaining by doing so.  What is the benefit of upgrading dumbfire pets?  More DPS? Hore HP's? Both?<BR><BR>Thanks for any info you might have.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have it at m2, without any debuffs on the mob he'll parse about 90 dps.</P> <P>his mele hits is affected by fire de-buffs, on raids he parses much higher, and on mobs with aoes, when he dies he's good for a 1100-1500 pt nuke to all mobs in aoe.</P> <P>alles did a great log file of some of her recent t7 raiding thats posted in the wizard forum, where she parsed his total dmg compared against other spells, if you take into account aoe mobs where he died to aoe before the duration expired his dmg was pretty significant.</P> <P>I never tested his hp at any other quality over m2, he has about 1400 hp.</P>

[Landaros]

Personally I use Protoflame from time to time, but reconsider chosing it at master. The dps-gain wont be that great - better save the gold forfusion master etc.<div></div>

[Renaven]

<DIV>At master 1 my Protoferno averages 250 DPS on trash mobs with 0 debuffs.  I haven't parsed it individually on raids (I will soon), but with how many heat debuffs there are in the game, I'd expect it to do a lot more than that on raids.  At least double.</DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Renaven wrote:<BR> <DIV>At master 1 my Protoferno averages 250 DPS on trash mobs with 0 debuffs.  I haven't parsed it individually on raids (I will soon), but with how many heat debuffs there are in the game, I'd expect it to do a lot more than that on raids.  At least double.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>maybe my m2 is bugged if you let him go for the full duration he's usually around 90-100 dps with 0 debuffs.</P> <P> </P>

[Renaven]

<DIV>The 250 DPS number I got was from killing a level 59 Temple Guardian in Mystic Lake.  I let him fight for 40 seconds, then parsed the results.  Make sure your parser stops 2-3 seconds after combat stops to get the best number possible.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It was, I think, 210 DPS the first time was from a green, level 60 Temple Guardian.  The 250 was when I tried the grey, level 59 Temple Guardian.  Regardless, the DPS of your Protoferno should go up in a perfect raiding situation, where all debuffs are fully on.  My Protoferno in a raid seems to hit quite often for 450-500, give or take a little bit, depending on the mob and the debuffs that are on it.</DIV>

[Renaven]

<DIV>I only did 2 parses though; I'd be happy to do another 5-10 just to get an average for you.</DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Renaven wrote:<BR> <DIV>I only did 2 parses though; I'd be happy to do another 5-10 just to get an average for you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think it just may be a parse issue I dont run a parser my guildies do, and on the fights i've used to parse his dmg the tank pull time plus starting with rending icicles can add up to 8-9 additiona seconds before he is actually cast, and then factor in your distance from the actual mob (since proto has to run to the mob to do dmg) I think that might be where the discrepancy is.</P> <P>I haven't seen any 500 swings from my m2 after lu24 unless they're criticals.  I also noticed he crits a lot more now that I respecc'ed and decided to try out the str line for another 11.7% crit chance.</P> <P>his swings vary greatyly from 150-500(on crits)</P>

[ShreddedWhe]

<DIV>right after i respeced to master2 in HoS I was seeing hits of 500-700...in the lab its significantly less, 250-500 i'd say, with crits from 5-700.  Since it only hits every few seconds, and only for that amount, it probably doesn't do more than 100dps in a perfect 50s fight.</DIV>

[QQ-Fatman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ShreddedWheat wrote:<BR> <DIV>right after i respeced to master2 in HoS I was seeing hits of 500-700...in the lab its significantly less, 250-500 i'd say, with crits from 5-700.  Since it only hits every few seconds, and only for that amount, it probably doesn't do more than 100dps in a perfect 50s fight.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It only hits every 3 sec, and its attacks can miss / be parried. And yes many mobs in lab have high heat resistances (firedrakes,) so it does much less damage. My m2 protoferno does 70-150 dps, depends on the targets and debuffs.<BR>

[Renaven]

<DIV>It really depends on the encounter and debuffs.  I tried it vs. a different level 59 solo mob, with zero debuffs on, and it did 150 DPS after testing it a few times and averaging it.  On raids it generally does more though.</DIV>

[HomeChicken]

<DIV>without a doubt worth upgrading to master 1, any damage spell is worth getting master heh, my protoferno at master 1 normally adds about 150+ damage to my parse, depending on if aoes are goin off and whatnot, but definitely worth it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TheBu]

<DIV>Yup Yup.. Get it if you can. I love my master Protoferno.  A master does more damge per hit and gets resisted less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I notice the resist of the spells less than a master in the parses so it does make a diffrence</DIV> <DIV>I guess now it is the only agro free dps you have...</DIV>