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IllusiveThoughts

06-13-2006, 01:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <DIV>I just noticed that on test our agi line spell haste passive is changed to "increase casting speed" instead of "reduce casting timer." It's 1.8% at rank 1.... so about 14.4% at rank 8. 1 / 1.144 = 0.874 <- so it's actually a 12.6% casting timer reduction - not as good as we thoguht.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 10 bucks says its 11.7% at rank 8 just like the crit aa's are. btw I previously mentioned this when you told us about this change on test. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>so it's not a big upgrade... 10% -> 11.7% <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> maybe choosing +critical would be better...? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> no it isn't a *big* upgrade, but for the guys like me who realized going from rank 7 to rank 8 provides *no* benefit(pre lu24) it is a welcomed change. this will finally give a benefit to reduced casting timers for spells that are 5,4,3,2s cast timers to clarify as it sits now at rank 8 (10% reduction pre lu24) all 5s cast spells are cast in 4.5s all 4s cast spells are cast in 3.6s all 3s cast spells are cast in 2.7s all 2s cast spells are cast in 1.8s all 1s cast spells are cast in 0.9s all 0.5s cast spells are cast in 0.4s ******after this change (post lu24)****** all 5s cast spells are cast in 4.4s all 4s cast spells are cast in 3.5s all 3s cast spells are cast in 2.6s all 2s cast spells are cast in 1.7s 1s cast timers stay the same .5s cast timers remain the same

IllusiveThoughts

06-13-2006, 06:28 PM

I actually respeced yesterday to try out the str line with maxed crits, got rid of agi line so I could have one good run with it and see which one I liked better before they up and make agi better. crit started at 1.6%, if spell haste starts at 1.8% then it would be logical to assume it will be 13.3% at max rank. (.2 x 8 ranks = an additional 1.6% at rank <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> which changes 5 and 4s cast timers only but still welcomed change. 4.3s fusions (.1s faster than 11.7%) 3.4s ice novas(.1s faster than 11.7%)

QQ-Fatman

06-16-2006, 04:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: I actually respeced yesterday to try out the str line with maxed crits, got rid of agi line so I could have one good run with it and see which one I liked better before they up and make agi better. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>so what do you think? which gives you more dps in raids? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

IllusiveThoughts

06-16-2006, 06:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: I actually respeced yesterday to try out the str line with maxed crits, got rid of agi line so I could have one good run with it and see which one I liked better before they up and make agi better. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>so what do you think? which gives you more dps in raids? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not in a raiding guild but allied with one, and they raid usually once or twice per week. We're going to do MOA on sunday I'll let you know how it works out, I used to average about 1100-1400 in the zone with my old set up. not counting the 8 heroics by the first named of course.

IllusiveThoughts

06-18-2006, 11:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: I actually respeced yesterday to try out the str line with maxed crits, got rid of agi line so I could have one good run with it and see which one I liked better before they up and make agi better. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>so what do you think? which gives you more dps in raids? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not in a raiding guild but allied with one, and they raid usually once or twice per week. We're going to do MOA on sunday I'll let you know how it works out, I used to average about 1100-1400 in the zone with my old set up. not counting the 8 heroics by the first named of course. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> went in and did labs yesterday, DPS was not consistant. I'd have some fights with 20-30 crits, and some fights with 1-2 crits. I was also getting pretty consistant 20k ice novas with freehand, I crit for over 20K for 8 fights. where as before I'd get one if I was lucky. The problem is even with a 20K crit ice nova my dps was still very low compared to the agi line. I had fights where I was 700-800 dps with 1 or 2 crits for a 1-1.5 min fight, and when I'd get 10-20 crits I'd be in the 900-1K range, and more rarely when I'd get 30 or more crits I'd get up into the 1200's and this is WITH frostsheild counting towards MY dmg. I did not have a troubador but I did have a cross raid de-agro from the coercer, and a 24% de-hate aussage from the guardian (not adp3 yet) for a total of 45% de-hate combined, so I was chain nuking and thats the best i could do. So I respecc'ed and took my old build back and started to parse consistant 1200 dps, and spikes up to 1500 if I got a crit or two off. Also when I respecc'ed I couldn't resummon my familliar so I was loosing out on another 3% crit chance. The verdict. For me 11.7% crit chance(16.6% with pet + moa) was LESS dps than 14.4% spell haste which is what spellshaping at rank 8 is now post lu24 a 4.4% upgrade. cast timers were modified to the following with maxed spellshaping 5s to 4.3 4s to 3.4 3s to 2.6 2s to 1.7 1s to 0.8

chi

06-19-2006, 01:43 PM

what was your spec then? maxed out agil line and rest in wis line?im having hard to understand why u would get 700-1k dps with 20k+ nova crits.i actually went down in dps when i respecced from maxed out str/rest in wis. was before lu24 tho, and using str/agil atm.just had a question tho.. 11.7% crit, would that be better or worse than the 8% added dmg in wis line? u cant depend on crit, but the 8% is always there, + with a troub and mark u got almost 11% anyways, and i really cant say i notice any difference in dps with or without a troub that has the 7.5%crit buff.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-19-2006, 06:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> child wrote: what was your spec then? maxed out agil line and rest in wis line? im having hard to understand why u would get 700-1k dps with 20k+ nova crits. i actually went down in dps when i respecced from maxed out str/rest in wis. was before lu24 tho, and using str/agil atm. just had a question tho.. 11.7% crit, would that be better or worse than the 8% added dmg in wis line? u cant depend on crit, but the 8% is always there, + with a troub and mark u got almost 11% anyways, and i really cant say i notice any difference in dps with or without a troub that has the 7.5%crit buff. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> sorry didn't realize some of the wizzies here didn't know my old build old build agi 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/8/8 tested out crit line with str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/4/8 and int 4/1 for the extra de-agro. I never said I did 700 dps with a 20K ice nova. So I respecced back to my old build (agi 4/4/4/8 and wis 4/8/8/<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and even with the re-leaning curve of faster casting I still managed to out dps the crit line build. Then sunday we went in to do the MOA raid again for other guildies and to assist our raid alliance guild. Raid set up was not the traditional troub + caster group as the troub didn't come along. I had the new coercer de-agro 24% hate reduc(cross raid), + amends 39% transfer, +illusionist synergisim (dmg proc and de-agro) + skywatchers robe + using ceace when ever it cycled. Illusionist was in our group for regen. Did not have vim or any + power buffs so my power pool was only at 6950 with 26 self flowing thought + 37 from illusionist. I had 4 fights where I was over 1700 dps and one fight where I almost hit 1900 at 1880. I averaged for the whole zone just under 1300 dps, which included the 2 death fights at 900ish dps. I ended up doing 16% of the raids dps for the zone. The final named I came in at just over 1200 dps which includes being feared + running in for fusion+ only ranged spells. To top it off we didn't even have a brigand along with us either, I can only imagine what would of happened had he joined us along with a troub + 7.5% more crits and 3.6% lower cast timers.

QQ-Fatman

06-19-2006, 07:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> child wrote: what was your spec then? maxed out agil line and rest in wis line? im having hard to understand why u would get 700-1k dps with 20k+ nova crits. i actually went down in dps when i respecced from maxed out str/rest in wis. was before lu24 tho, and using str/agil atm. just had a question tho.. 11.7% crit, would that be better or worse than the 8% added dmg in wis line? u cant depend on crit, but the 8% is always there, + with a troub and mark u got almost 11% anyways, and i really cant say i notice any difference in dps with or without a troub that has the 7.5%crit buff. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> sorry didn't realize some of the wizzies here didn't know my old build old build agi 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/8/8 tested out crit line with str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/4/8 and int 4/1 for the extra de-agro. I never said I did 700 dps with a 20K ice nova. So I respecced back to my old build (agi 4/4/4/8 and wis 4/8/8/<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and even with the re-leaning curve of faster casting I still managed to out dps the crit line build. Then sunday we went in to do the MOA raid again for other guildies and to assist our raid alliance guild. Raid set up was not the traditional troub + caster group as the troub didn't come along. I had the new coercer de-agro 24% hate reduc(cross raid), + amends 39% transfer, +illusionist synergisim (dmg proc and de-agro) + skywatchers robe + using ceace when ever it cycled. Illusionist was in our group for regen. Did not have vim or any + power buffs so my power pool was only at 6950 with 26 self flowing thought + 37 from illusionist. I had 4 fights where I was over 1700 dps and one fight where I almost hit 1900 at 1880. I averaged for the whole zone just under 1300 dps, which included the 2 death fights at 900ish dps. I ended up doing 16% of the raids dps for the zone. The final named I came in at just over 1200 dps which includes being feared + running in for fusion+ only ranged spells. To top it off we didn't even have a brigand along with us either, I can only imagine what would of happened had he joined us along with a troub + 7.5% more crits and 3.6% lower cast timers. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm Im really interested in knowing how you not run out of mana. You dont have -12% mana cost; you're not using mana proc robe, and only with 26 FT... you would run out of mana in 1.5 mins if you chain cast. You did 1300 dps and you said that's 16% of the raid dps - that means your raid dps was only 8125. The fights should last longer than 2 mins, and 3 mins on nameds. Im thinking of to reset my AA again. I might try your setup but I dont think I can give up that -12% mana cost. Also is the -12% recast AA not good?

chi

06-19-2006, 07:34 PM

gonna try 4-4-4-8-8 agil, 4-5-4-8 wis in lab tonight then and see..<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-19-2006, 08:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> child wrote: what was your spec then? maxed out agil line and rest in wis line? im having hard to understand why u would get 700-1k dps with 20k+ nova crits. i actually went down in dps when i respecced from maxed out str/rest in wis. was before lu24 tho, and using str/agil atm. just had a question tho.. 11.7% crit, would that be better or worse than the 8% added dmg in wis line? u cant depend on crit, but the 8% is always there, + with a troub and mark u got almost 11% anyways, and i really cant say i notice any difference in dps with or without a troub that has the 7.5%crit buff. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> sorry didn't realize some of the wizzies here didn't know my old build old build agi 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/8/8 tested out crit line with str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/4/8 and int 4/1 for the extra de-agro. I never said I did 700 dps with a 20K ice nova. So I respecced back to my old build (agi 4/4/4/8 and wis 4/8/8/<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and even with the re-leaning curve of faster casting I still managed to out dps the crit line build. Then sunday we went in to do the MOA raid again for other guildies and to assist our raid alliance guild. Raid set up was not the traditional troub + caster group as the troub didn't come along. I had the new coercer de-agro 24% hate reduc(cross raid), + amends 39% transfer, +illusionist synergisim (dmg proc and de-agro) + skywatchers robe + using ceace when ever it cycled. Illusionist was in our group for regen. Did not have vim or any + power buffs so my power pool was only at 6950 with 26 self flowing thought + 37 from illusionist. I had 4 fights where I was over 1700 dps and one fight where I almost hit 1900 at 1880. I averaged for the whole zone just under 1300 dps, which included the 2 death fights at 900ish dps. I ended up doing 16% of the raids dps for the zone. The final named I came in at just over 1200 dps which includes being feared + running in for fusion+ only ranged spells. To top it off we didn't even have a brigand along with us either, I can only imagine what would of happened had he joined us along with a troub + 7.5% more crits and 3.6% lower cast timers. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm Im really interested in knowing how you not run out of mana. You dont have -12% mana cost; you're not using mana proc robe, and only with 26 FT... you would run out of mana in 1.5 mins if you chain cast. You did 1300 dps and you said that's 16% of the raid dps - that means your raid dps was only 8125. The fights should last longer than 2 mins, and 3 mins on nameds. Im thinking of to reset my AA again. I might try your setup but I dont think I can give up that -12% mana cost. Also is the -12% recast AA not good? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> dont forget i had 37 ft from the illusionist group buff, also on the named since I knew it was going to be a long fight I was using vital conversion when ever it cycled which i have at m1 (350 power) and I also used manastone(150 power) and a adept 3 conj shard(250ish power) when ever they cycled. I was oom right at about 2-3% mob health even burning through those, and yes our raid dps wasn't over 9k. I ended up using cardinal intromission on myself at the last second because I was oop but the mob ended up dying before I could get another spell off. I dont think -12% to recast is worth 8 aa points. If it was -50% to recast then I think it'd be worth loosing out on other aa's that I personally find more valuable. also -12% spell cost only works out to about an additional 840 power with 7K power pool, so again not very well worth it to me since I usually go oop with the named in the red and I didn't have any + power buffs on me for the named fight. I instead prefer to have the regen self ward at rank 8 since I do a lot of soloing it soaks up most dots from named by the time I can cure it.

IllusiveThoughts

06-26-2006, 10:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: Hmm Im really interested in knowing how you not run out of mana. You dont have -12% mana cost; you're not using mana proc robe, and only with 26 FT... you would run out of mana in 1.5 mins if you chain cast. You did 1300 dps and you said that's 16% of the raid dps - that means your raid dps was only 8125. The fights should last longer than 2 mins, and 3 mins on nameds. Im thinking of to reset my AA again. I might try your setup but I dont think I can give up that -12% mana cost. Also is the -12% recast AA not good? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>have you tried agi/wis combo yet qq?

QQ-Fatman

06-28-2006, 05:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: have you tried agi/wis combo yet qq? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yes I have. It does good dps but it also costs more mana <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So far I've tried 4 different setup: A. Wis 4-4-4-5-8, Str 4-4-4-4-8 (cata, 6% critical, 5% base, -12% cost) B. Wis 4-5-4-8, Str 4-4-4-8-8 (cata, 12% critical, 8% base) C. Wis 4-4-4-4-8, Agi 4-4-4-5-8 (9% haste, -12% recast, 4% base, -12% cost) D. Wis 4-5-4-8-8, Agi 4-4-4-8 (14.4% haste, 8% base, -12% cost) Average dps seems to be: D = B > A > C but mana usage: D > B > C > A B seems to have to best damage / mana ratio, however the spike damage from catalyst had killed me many times. (When brigands call dispatch, I use it with fusion or ice nova for 25k+ damage.)

ailees

06-28-2006, 12:16 PM

I'm working on your B line, still need 3 AAs for catalyst.Throu my parses (and I made a lot of them) it seems that it is the most damaging line IN RAIDS .. and the most deadly for wiz, of course (but I do'nt really care).If I were more in groups than in raids, I would go with fast casting.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-28-2006, 06:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: I'm working on your B line, still need 3 AAs for catalyst. Throu my parses (and I made a lot of them) it seems that it is the most damaging line IN RAIDS .. and the most deadly for wiz, of course (but I do'nt really care). If I were more in groups than in raids, I would go with fast casting. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> From my observations if you dont get 30 or more crits from taking the strength path over agi, agi wins in a raid fight as far as dps hands down. the problem with str line is that I've had more than enough fights with 1 or 2 crits total, (we are talking 30s-1 min trash mob fights) so when you dont get any crits obviously the aa points are wasted, and spell haste shines. I prefer agi because of the steady measurable dps increase over the random luck crit's for str line.

QQ-Fatman

06-28-2006, 06:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: I'm working on your B line, still need 3 AAs for catalyst. Throu my parses (and I made a lot of them) it seems that it is the most damaging line IN RAIDS .. and the most deadly for wiz, of course (but I do'nt really care). If I were more in groups than in raids, I would go with fast casting. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> From my observations if you dont get 30 or more crits from taking the strength path over agi, agi wins in a raid fight as far as dps hands down. the problem with str line is that I've had more than enough fights with 1 or 2 crits total, (we are talking 30s-1 min trash mob fights) so when you dont get any crits obviously the aa points are wasted, and spell haste shines. I prefer agi because of the steady measurable dps increase over the random luck crit's for str line. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Spell haste > critical passive, but critical is mana free, while spell haste costs more mana (since you have to cast more spells.) And the most important thing of the str line to me is catalyst. Being able to hit for 15k+ every minute (with brigand, 25k+ even 30k) helps a lot. I really hate to see my ice nova / fusion hitting for like 7k... and it will never happen if you use catalyst <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

IllusiveThoughts

06-28-2006, 07:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> QQFatman wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: I'm working on your B line, still need 3 AAs for catalyst. Throu my parses (and I made a lot of them) it seems that it is the most damaging line IN RAIDS .. and the most deadly for wiz, of course (but I do'nt really care). If I were more in groups than in raids, I would go with fast casting. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> From my observations if you dont get 30 or more crits from taking the strength path over agi, agi wins in a raid fight as far as dps hands down. the problem with str line is that I've had more than enough fights with 1 or 2 crits total, (we are talking 30s-1 min trash mob fights) so when you dont get any crits obviously the aa points are wasted, and spell haste shines. I prefer agi because of the steady measurable dps increase over the random luck crit's for str line. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Spell haste > critical passive, but critical is mana free, while spell haste costs more mana (since you have to cast more spells.) And the most important thing of the str line to me is catalyst. Being able to hit for 15k+ every minute (with brigand, 25k+ even 30k) helps a lot. I really hate to see my ice nova / fusion hitting for like 7k... and it will never happen if you use catalyst <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> indeed there are trade offs for each aa line as we start to analyze them more and more. I picked up the relic hat the last trip through labs and without a pris 1 or 2 (never did the quests) my self buffed in-combat regen is 35flowing thought, if i toss on xhavis i get a grand total of 77 flowing thought with xhavis averaging 3procs a min, and if I get a bard / illusionist/ coercer i can bump that figure to 119 total flowing thought, or 1190 power/min. which is pretty significant especially if you add up vital conversion m1 at 350 power x 2 for a grand total of 1890 power/min. I usually run oom right at the 3 min mark with vim and all the regen stuff going plus using vital conversion 2x a min and thats with the agi build

ailees

06-28-2006, 08:29 PM

>IT: From my observations if you dont get 30 or more crits from taking the strength path over agi, agi wins in a raid fight as far as dps hands down.yeah, I already read your thought about it. My problem is that I'm a bit lazy about testing it, I need to reroll all and test for one month again to be sure !I've been working a lot to be a big damager, I'm not sure rerolling and testing would really change much, I mean more than 10 percent ! i don't speak about DPS, i speak about total damage on the raid. The other wizzies in my guild are not on agility line, nor are they interested on pure big damaging in raid, then it is quite difficult to compare now. The only thing I know is that I never met in a pickup group a wiz damaging more than me, but I admit this is not a proof at all, because maybe I do a pickup group once a week or less. And so many wizzards do not know how to chain their spells.<div></div>BTW, I read your testing, you never tried the line I'm on ! lol, you almost went that way, but not fully :>IT : tested out crit line with str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/4/8 and int 4/1 for the extra de-agro.you loose 5 points that i put in freehand (1) and in crit percentage (4) ! Then allow me to not really agree when you say there is a big difference. Moreover, I bet the chaining of spells must be different if you want to go damaging with strengh line. For example you'd better wait a bit to have freehand (and catalyst) up when casting bigBoom. in the last raid in labs (yesterday) I was without Amend, nor any coercer.. nor troub, nothing really good for me.. still 2d damager.. of course I died quite well (50 golds repairing ! waoo...)

IllusiveThoughts

06-28-2006, 08:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: >IT: From my observations if you dont get 30 or more crits from taking the strength path over agi, agi wins in a raid fight as far as dps hands down. yeah, I already read your thought about it. My problem is that I'm a bit lazy about testing it, I need to reroll all and test for one month again to be sure ! I've been working a lot to be a big damager, I'm not sure rerolling and testing would really change much, I mean more than 10 percent ! i don't speak about DPS, i speak about total damage on the raid. The other wizzies in my guild are not on agility line, nor are they interested on pure big damaging in raid, then it is quite difficult to compare now. The only thing I know is that I never met in a pickup group a wiz damaging more than me, but I admit this is not a proof at all, because maybe I do a pickup group once a week or less. And so many wizzards do not know how to chain their spells. BTW, I read your testing, you never tried the line I'm on ! lol, you almost went that way, but not fully : >IT : tested out crit line with str 4/4/4/8 wis 4/8/4/8 and int 4/1 for the extra de-agro. you loose 5 points that i put in freehand (1) and in crit percentage (4) ! Then allow me to not really agree when you say there is a big difference. Moreover, I bet the chaining of spells must be different if you want to go damaging with strengh line. For example you'd better wait a bit to have freehand (and catalyst) up when casting bigBoom. in the last raid in labs (yesterday) I was without Amend, nor any coercer.. nor troub, nothing really good for me.. still 2d damager.. of course I died quite well (50 golds repairing ! waoo...) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I think your mistaking my prior build where I tested out str and wis? I had freehand sorcery maxed at 8 points and spell crit chance maxed as well at 8 points, plus crit flappy plus MOA totals 16.6% passive crit chance. I didn't take catalyst as I dont think any final aa is worth 8 points when they can be spent on more valuable aa's. I also tend to wait for freehand sorcery to cycle before using ice nova again unless the mob is close to death and I know I wont have enough time to wait for free hand to refresh, then i'll toss out ice nova again. I know you dont look at dps, but on our labs raids i'm always the highest dmg total, even though not always #1 on the dps lists. I have not had one single fight where I lived through the encounter and not been #1 on damage given to the mob. this is with dps classes that can and have pumped out 1400-1700 dps. hell I did an moa trial 4 raid and did 16% of the raids dps for the whole zone. the last labs raid i did about 13% of the raids dps again the top of the list.

Jezekie

06-28-2006, 10:04 PM

<blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:I know you dont look at dps, but on our labs raids i'm always the highest dmg total, even though not always #1 on the dps lists. I have not had one single fight where I lived through the encounter and not been #1 on damage given to the mob. this is with dps classes that can and have pumped out 1400-1700 dps. hell I did an moa trial 4 raid and did 16% of the raids dps for the whole zone. the last labs raid i did about 13% of the raids dps again the top of the list.<hr></blockquote>I'd be interested in seeing some of your parses if you don't mind sharing, I'm curious how well you stack up against Necromancers and Berserkers, two classes I find my self struggling to beat.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-28-2006, 10:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: I know you dont look at dps, but on our labs raids i'm always the highest dmg total, even though not always #1 on the dps lists. I have not had one single fight where I lived through the encounter and not been #1 on damage given to the mob. this is with dps classes that can and have pumped out 1400-1700 dps. hell I did an moa trial 4 raid and did 16% of the raids dps for the whole zone. the last labs raid i did about 13% of the raids dps again the top of the list. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'd be interested in seeing some of your parses if you don't mind sharing, I'm curious how well you stack up against Necromancers and Berserkers, two classes I find my self struggling to beat. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'll have to ask the guild I raid with if its okay to post the actual parses before I do, then I'll have to also save them so I can post them we're raiding labs again saturday (i love this zone) and i'll either have an answer about posting the actual parses or i'll post them for you. I can tell you that one of the fights against the named guy with the heroic adds (cant remember his name but he looks like a giant beholder and if you kill his ads they gravity flux you) the necro used his 15 min ability on his pet and parsed out 1700 dps on a single target! If I remember correctly I was sitting at just under 1500 on that fight without aoeing the adds. On occasion we have a berzerker come along who can pump out 900-1k dps on aoe targets (2 or more) but i'm still ahead on those fights. I'm also spoiled in that I usually get the most hate reduction usually at least amends, and lately the mt has been getting good hate gain (coercer + his passive aa's) and he can also put out 600-700 dps on his own. so I can pretty much go 100% once the mob is in position and not pull agro. hopefully this time the brigand comes along because the last 2 labs runs we haven't had one and you can definately see the differences in the parses.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-28-2006 11:21 AM

Jezekie

06-29-2006, 01:04 AM

<div></div>A quick glance over the parse from that fight, Uustalastus Xiterrax, shows me at around 880 DPS, the Necro was at 1200. Not saying it was optimal prolly far from but that's a reflection of most of the fights since the necro upgraded his swarmpets to ad3. He's generaly ahead of me DPS wise tho at the raids since then. Granted there's alot of factors in the fights that can change the overall damage output I'm seeing a pattern where it's a struggle beating the necro and sometimes the Berserker/Conjuror.What was the duration on that fight BTW?<div></div>Message Edited by Jezekiell on 06-28-2006 11:07 PM

IllusiveThoughts

06-29-2006, 01:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: A quick glance over the parse from that fight, Uustalastus Xiterrax, shows me at around 880 DPS, the Necro was at 1200. Not saying it was optimal prolly far from but that's a reflection of most of the fights since the necro upgraded his swarmpets to ad3. He's generaly ahead of me DPS wise tho at the raids since then. Granted there's alot of factors in the fights that can change the overall damage output I'm seeing a pattern where it's a struggle beating the necro and sometimes the Berserker/Conjuror. What was the duration on that fight BTW? Message Edited by Jezekiell on 06-28-2006 11:07 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I dont remember the duration on it, i dont normally pay attention to it unless the duration starts to go over 2 min, because then my dps starts to suffer and i'm looking for reasons why. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I do remember the corsolander took us over 3 min to take down, and i parsed just a hare over 1k which included using manastone, heart/shard, and vital conversion AND aggregate mana from wizzie class hat from vaults, along with about 7600 power + xhavis gown + 27 self flowing thought + 42 illusionist group buffed flowing thought.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-28-2006 02:24 PM

Jezekie

06-29-2006, 01:59 AM

Hmm I ended up doing about 600 DPS on that fight, duration just a notch over 5 minutes though. Necro followed with around 500 dps. 186k dmg done by me and 157k by the Necro.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-29-2006, 03:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: Hmm I ended up doing about 600 DPS on that fight, duration just a notch over 5 minutes though. Necro followed with around 500 dps. 186k dmg done by me and 157k by the Necro. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> wow a 5 min fight, was there only 2-3 ranged dps classes on the raid?

Jezekie

06-29-2006, 06:22 AM

We're mostly a melee based <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/guild_roster.vm?mode=character_class&guildId=838212" target=_blank>guild</a> ya.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-29-2006, 08:20 AM

heres Halls of Seeing today, pick up raid mostly the other half was a guild whom i'll leave anon since I didn't remember to ask about posting a parse(not my usual guild i raid with this was another guild) This is a zone wide parse including death fights my deaths and the named we were able to kill. Some of the trash mobs were exceeding 3 mins a pretty tough and long zone mobs have a ton of hp. Oh yeah forgot to add I parse personal dps (parser starts when you cast a spell, not when tank pulls, this shows a clear idea of a classes dps potential, and the damage total helps to say who did the most damage (even if you didn't do #1 on dps)) Allies: (01:11:13) 30046464 | 7031.70 [HH Shaemus-Fusion-19686] Illu 179 | 4255063 | 1007.59 Shaemus 271 | 2639906 | 632.62 Seilver 170 | 2322434 | 549.56 Blitzn 459 | 1979711 | 467.80 Hobbs 240 | 1933096 | 459.39 Ironfisticus 296 | 1712850 | 405.41 Cochrane 503 | 1711318 | 405.33 Syndrix 689 | 1589275 | 377.14 Warith 0 | 1530433 | 365.43 Skrye 476 | 1368764 | 323.89 Ombre 488 | 1354068 | 576.44 Cytoxa 35 | 1116849 | 264.91 Dralyan 45 | 947940 | 227.43 Chunk 231 | 909790 | 218.38 Kathgor 755 | 896101 | 215.67 Squoosh 250 | 698947 | 166.38 Tnilf 206 | 689252 | 163.60 Oaknot 51 | 637769 | 155.67 Oboo 38 | 561072 | 132.48 Norsk 34 | 494320 | 116.89 Aniya 64 | 483568 | 114.56 Altuslumen 29 | 180287 | 47.48 Gyzer 0 | 5279 | 1.25 Dunric 3 | 3655 | 0.88 here was my 2 highest parses of the zone Allies: (00:4<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 520600 | 10845.83 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15977] Illu 0 | 78241 | 1819.56 Shaemus 6 | 46805 | 1017.50 Blitzn 8 | 40771 | 867.47 Hobbs 10 | 38630 | 821.91 Warith 0 | 36632 | 779.40 Seilver 0 | 35292 | 750.89 Ironfisticus 4 | 31389 | 667.85 Cochrane 12 | 30069 | 653.67 Syndrix 13 | 29299 | 636.93 Cytoxa 1 | 24998 | 543.43 Oaknot 8 | 21525 | 478.33 Skrye 7 | 20326 | 432.47 Chunk 9 | 18623 | 396.23 Kathgor 23 | 15246 | 324.38 Aniya 0 | 12520 | 260.83 Norsk 3 | 10503 | 233.40 Dralyan 0 | 8987 | 199.71 Tnilf 1 | 8350 | 177.66 Squoosh 2 | 5908 | 125.70 Altuslumen 0 | 5578 | 121.26 Dunric 1 | 287 | 7.18 Oboo 0 | 0 | 0.00 Hobbs's pyromancy 0 | 0 | 0.00 Aniya's wolf ally 0 | 0 | 0.00 Shaemus's protoferno 0 | 0 | 0.00 Warith's protoferno 0 | 0 | 0.00 Gyzer 0 | 0 | 0.00 Illu's protoferno 0 | 0 | 0.00 Hobbs's aqueous horde 0 | 0 | NaN and Allies: (01:36) 999080 | 10407.08 [HH Illu-Fusion-15572] Illu 10 | 148201 | 1703.46 Hobbs 10 | 96107 | 1201.34 Seilver 9 | 86813 | 986.51 Cochrane 20 | 72970 | 784.62 Shaemus 3 | 72466 | 883.73 Blitzn 16 | 65304 | 759.35 Ironfisticus 13 | 55438 | 609.21 Syndrix 15 | 52889 | 637.22 Chunk 8 | 41529 | 477.34 Skrye 6 | 39685 | 417.74 Cytoxa 1 | 38778 | 421.50 Warith 0 | 38603 | 438.67 Tnilf 9 | 38097 | 423.30 Dralyan 3 | 38089 | 470.23 Kathgor 27 | 28636 | 345.01 Norsk 1 | 24707 | 280.76 Squoosh 11 | 19696 | 223.82 Aniya 1 | 14152 | 157.24 Oaknot 0 | 11082 | 156.08 Oboo 0 | 9909 | 122.33 Altuslumen 0 | 3139 | 44.21 Dunric 0 | 401 | 5.08 Gyzer 0 | 0 | 0.00 Seilver's aqueous horde 0 | 0 | 0.00 Aniya's wolf ally 0 | 0 | 0.00 Hobbs's aqueous horde 0 | 0 | 0.00 Seilver's pyromancy 0 | 0 | NaN Illu's Forge of Ro 0 | 0 | NaN raid set up was dirge + guard mt amends on me, no group in-combat regen, no brigand, other than my self buffed 32 flowing thought. I was hurtin without any other regen....spent a lot of time casting vital conversion and even essential intro on myself Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-28-2006 11:05 PM

ailees

06-29-2006, 12:45 PM

I'm astonished to see 2 wizzies at top, you don't have any ranger ? or they sux ?I understand anyway that you have same aim than me, max damages. but as I cant move to your raids to compare, it is a bit difficult. As the 2d damager is a wiz, I'm a bit astonished to see such a big difference between you 2 (almost double) it can't be the AA line only, the chaining of spells must be also very different. Did you analyze every casting ? I mean number/average/mini/max ??<div></div>

Tanit

06-29-2006, 03:16 PM

I usually get 1.1k-1.4k+ on most encounters using the str/wis aa lines and being buffed by a troub. That doesn't always make me 1st though, since our necro usually does more, up to 1700 dps.I'll need to do some more tests and then i'll switch to agi/wis to see how that is.<div></div>

Jezekie

06-29-2006, 03:47 PM

I'd swap to Agi/Wis to check it out post LU#24 or go back to get the str for crits if I had more free respecs, or respecs that didn't cost me 13 plat. But I'm also on a PvP server where mages survival rate is pretty much none. It's a scouts game there. But for that reason I have the +700 mit from STA line and currently specced 8 for brainstorm and 8 for freehand and got the 12% power reduction.I just think it's a bit silly that a class as purely DPS based as a wizard with little to nothing else to offer a raid has to be super optimized 110% both for spells, achievements, and gear if he wants to come out #1 among all the other classes. Where as other classes like Berserkers, Necromancers, Rangers and Conjurors doesn't have to be so super optimized to get a good result.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

06-29-2006, 06:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: I'm astonished to see 2 wizzies at top, you don't have any ranger ? or they sux ? I understand anyway that you have same aim than me, max damages. but as I cant move to your raids to compare, it is a bit difficult. As the 2d damager is a wiz, I'm a bit astonished to see such a big difference between you 2 (almost double) it can't be the AA line only, the chaining of spells must be also very different. Did you analyze every casting ? I mean number/average/mini/max ?? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> dont remember if we had a ranger, i know we had a swash, assasin, there were quite a few tanks in the raid, probably why the fights took so long (but its a pick up raid so I dont complain) I know there was a bruser, 2 conj, 3 wizzies, The conj was using his scout pet, however I suggested he start to use his mage pet as almost every trash mob had an aoe. The raid leader did an excellent job at calling the aoe's and without that know we wouldn't of been so successful. Yeah I spent a bit of time after going over the zonewide parse and where my damage comes from. when I compared it to the other wizards I was using more of my arsinal and my damage was more spread out, top 4 were fusion, ice nova, ball of lava, and ice sheild, as there aren't many aoe fights in this zone. protoferno was doing about 140dps and close to 180 if we counted firey end on the encounters I was vigilant to keep him up after the aoe. ball of lava always gets priority over other spells once it has refreshed, even rending icicles. I try to move my spell chain around queing that up right as its refreshed every single time, and I also started to open with it after rending icicles instead of protoferno like I normally do. also protoferno had 0 misses for the whole zone, kinda shocked me as all the mobs in there are yellow 71-74. I dont know why there was such a big gap between myself and the other wizard(s), he had some nice fabled / leg gear and said he had 14 or 16 t7 masters cant remember exactally, no ice nova though. His damage was more concentrated with ice nova, ball of lava, sunstrike (i hardly cast this), rending icicles, and protoferno. so I can only assume he spent the other time using his cannibalization spells and waiting on refreshes, whistl I chained away sucking down my power. I did pay for this dps however when ever the MT went down I was almost always No2 on the hate list. and got whacked immidiately after. I ended up in backup gear for the last 2 fights before the raid was called. I did use one suggestion here on the long fights and that was to try to match my power pool with the named HP, it worked out well ensuring I didn't go OOM on the 5+ min fights.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-29-2006 07:35 AM

ailees

06-30-2006, 12:49 PM

>IT :I dont know why there was such a big gap between myself and the other wizard(s), ... more concentrated with ice nova, ball of lava, sunstrike (i hardly cast this), rending icicles, and protoferno. yeah, he's using DDs only (more or less), and you also use all DOTS (surge, GW, Irr and FoR being big dots for me) : in all my parses in lab's this makes a lot of differences : lots of wizards do not thing about DOTS and if you remember the parses I already published, they can count for 1/3 to 1/2 of our damages (http://perso.orange.fr/galinou/tmp/wizard.html) >IT : I did pay for this dps however when ever the MT went down I was almost always No2 on the hate list. and got whacked immidiately after. I ended up in backup gear for the last 2 fights before the raid was called.yeah, same for me ! lol, I tried to buy repair kit, but it is really too expensive : I prefer spare stuff.<div></div>

Jezekie

07-01-2006, 01:41 AM

I didn't use my DoTs alot until recently (Only surge, gawd I wish they'd fix it tirggering catalyst/freehand), they seem to have a rather large impact over just pure nuking. This leads to much experimentation needed to find a more optimal cast pattern if one wants to be #1 for total damage at the end of a fight.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-01-2006, 02:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: I didn't use my DoTs alot until recently (Only surge, gawd I wish they'd fix it tirggering catalyst/freehand), they seem to have a rather large impact over just pure nuking. This leads to much experimentation needed to find a more optimal cast pattern if one wants to be #1 for total damage at the end of a fight. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> well most single target raid trash mobs will last about 45s-1min, so you kind of have to judge based on how the raid is doing dps wise when to cast surge/ forge of ro/ protoferno (our big dmg dots) to ensure they stay up for their duration and get all ticks off, while still chaining ball of lava and irradiate, along with squeezing in rending icicles when you can. on mobs without aoe's i'll even cast phoenix blade on myself(pre-fight) if i have an open conc slot, and sit behind the mob with auto attack on, so i dont have to waste time positioning for fusion/forge of ro/ firestorm. grizzlefazzle can and has hit for 150-200 a swing in between casts combine that with another 250 (over 3s) with the phoenix blade proc and you usually end up with about 50-60dps boost from just mele, my typical chain on these non aoe raid trash mobs i'll start with rending icicles and open with ice nova, so that it'll be back up before the mob expires and i can get another 10-12k dmg from casting it a 2nd time just before the mob expires. then follow that up with a (surge of flames) ball of lava, and fire off surging tempest, protoferno, then forge of ro, ice sheild, then ball of lava again, firestorm, rending icicles, fusion, ball of lava, firey convultions, firestorm, irradiate, ice sheild, ball of lava, sunstrike, then at that point either rending icicles, firestorm, ice nova or rending icicles and ice nova depending on how much hp the mob has left and how fast its hp is dropping. of course this is best case senario where hate isn't a concern and you have at least amends on you and MT has dirge or coercer for hate gain, because I'm not spending any time casting concussive or ceace. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-30-2006 03:22 PMMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 06-30-2006 03:24 PM

duuf

07-01-2006, 08:02 AM

Ilu your set up definitely is going to favor the agi line because you chose not to go for catalyst. Without catalyst you have a 13 pct chance on average to do about 2/3 more damage through crits or approximately 10 pct more damage total as opposed to 14 pct more with agi. Add catalyst to the mix though and assuming you can fire about 12 spells a minute you can add another approx 8 pct chance for an extra 2/3 damage or about 5 pct more damage. Add freehand to this cast (yes they do stack) and now you got even more for your money.Add the two together and on on average str should cause a little more damage than agi.However if you have 8 points in catalyst somethings gotta give in my case it was freehand at 24 instead of 30 so a slight give back and also a giveback in that catalyst has a 1 second cast. I've respeced to try your choice and dont see a lot of difference in total damage. However i'm going back to the strength line because it is more power efficient, the guaranteed crits are much more effective when I'm soloing and dang it I miss the major satisfaction of seeing those big orange numbers float up.Duufuss lvl70 pallyDuffus lvl70 wizEverfrost<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-01-2006, 12:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rtwitty wrote: Ilu your set up definitely is going to favor the agi line because you chose not to go for catalyst. Without catalyst you have a 13 pct chance on average to do about 2/3 more damage through crits or approximately 10 pct more damage total as opposed to 14 pct more with agi. Add catalyst to the mix though and assuming you can fire about 12 spells a minute you can add another approx 8 pct chance for an extra 2/3 damage or about 5 pct more damage. Add freehand to this cast (yes they do stack) and now you got even more for your money. Add the two together and on on average str should cause a little more damage than agi. However if you have 8 points in catalyst somethings gotta give in my case it was freehand at 24 instead of 30 so a slight give back and also a giveback in that catalyst has a 1 second cast. I've respeced to try your choice and dont see a lot of difference in total damage. However i'm going back to the strength line because it is more power efficient, the guaranteed crits are much more effective when I'm soloing and dang it I miss the major satisfaction of seeing those big orange numbers float up. Duufuss lvl70 pally Duffus lvl70 wiz Everfrost <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> as i've said if you take my build and you have not had spell haste that much it takes some time to re-learn your spell chains and what to cast and when. It took me a week after respeccing back to get back to the dps i was doing when I was trying out the str line. Catalyst is only good for 1 crit on one spell every 1 minute. Doesn't seem worth it at all to me when I could pump those 8 points into something more useful. I got permission from the guild I usually raid with to post the parse results from today's lyceum run. I have to pre-face this with me being the most dps buffed i have ever been. The troubador had 7.2% allegro (spell haste) 7.5% crit chance aa's, along with m1 arias, I had synergism m1 on me, and the coercer 23% de-agro m1, and also a m1 amends at 41%. I couldnt pull agro even when i tried. So let's assume this is almost as good as it can get for a wizard. Total spell haste with aa's and troub 21.6% total crit chance 13.4% total hate reduction 105% Without further waiting heres the ZONE wide parse. Allies: (01:24:42) 36840705 | 7248.90 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-25836] Illu 857 | 7181893 | 1417.04 (me) Allestair 936 | 4815298 | 953.86 (conjuror) Kyrika 541 | 3385747 | 670.94 (wizard) Naldir 8750 | 2737209 | 539.11 (MT) Numb 471 | 2080990 | 671.05 (ranger was only here for half the raid) Ingold 432 | 1683642 | 331.80 (illusionist) Accelerant 592 | 1603850 | 844.28 (necro - was only here for half the raid) Amawyn 355 | 1516387 | 299.96 (troubador) Hakanese 669 | 1495439 | 294.89 (paly) Raidi 0 | 1176962 | 232.77 (coercer) Darkrane 121 | 1145884 | 226.58 (zerker) Ethor 623 | 1050544 | 207.53 (paly in my group) Marasmus 551 | 976188 | 432.82 (bruser - only there for half the raid) Keith 418 | 910125 | 404.43 Bonesade 65 | 795970 | 182.93 (paly) Fiest 22 | 624178 | 129.63 (templar) Maridith 41 | 421595 | 83.05 (defiler) Kennae 199 | 343723 | 67.74 (warden) Danidella 136 | 287583 | 56.73 Spongecake 96 | 205978 | 96.07 Eclipse 125 | 196317 | 92.29 Raehana 25 | 174476 | 77.09 Adlak 67 | 172748 | 241.28 a fear-tainted feaster 0 | 104304 | 883.93 Elva 6 | 40274 | 16.14 Zelkor 0 | 4028 | 1.44 Heres the named parse, it took over 8 minutes because somet of the raid had left by then and we did it with only 3 groups on our first attempt <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I just cant believe i parsed over 1K on an EIGHT minute fight. i was using EVERY canni spell as soon as they refreshed, plus shard, plus manastone, plus potion, plus class hat. conj spent most of the 2nd half of raid sharding people. It was the best raid fight i've ever been on. Allies: (08:13) 2436934 | 4943.07 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-19223] Illu 59 | 548812 | 1140.98 Allestair 27 | 320802 | 760.19 Kyrika 15 | 244638 | 540.04 Naldir 648 | 243011 | 495.94 Ingold 44 | 211898 | 453.74 Amawyn 11 | 107895 | 234.05 Darkrane 5 | 104904 | 231.07 Hakanese 53 | 100304 | 207.67 Ethor 63 | 100206 | 210.08 Raidi 0 | 97084 | 203.96 Bonesade 1 | 92770 | 196.55 Eclipse 52 | 78945 | 164.81 Fiest 6 | 53010 | 109.07 Maridith 1 | 44495 | 91.74 Spongecake 14 | 39593 | 85.89 Kennae 3 | 34659 | 72.06 Danidella 27 | 13002 | 26.98 Zelkor 0 | 906 | 1.98 and here's some parses to show a wizards potential when you get as much hate reduc and group buffs as i had. (btw these are single targets <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) Allies: (01:00) 383146 | 6385.77 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-18435] Illu 6 | 99505 | 2163.15 Kyrika 5 | 47845 | 1139.17 Ingold 17 | 35770 | 777.61 Allestair 0 | 28445 | 790.14 Naldir 56 | 26647 | 459.43 Amawyn 2 | 21927 | 534.80 Hakanese 4 | 20282 | 375.59 Bonesade 3 | 19561 | 355.65 Fiest 0 | 14354 | 333.81 Raidi 0 | 13842 | 288.38 Maridith 0 | 12370 | 220.89 Darkrane 0 | 10701 | 227.68 Spongecake 11 | 9602 | 400.08 Danidella 1 | 9401 | 200.02 Kennae 6 | 7253 | 161.18 Eclipse 2 | 4410 | 163.33 Allies: (01:22) 645017 | 7866.06 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-16436] Illu 8 | 152631 | 2008.30 Allestair 55 | 74547 | 1064.96 Kyrika 6 | 61821 | 965.95 Naldir 125 | 49485 | 603.48 Ingold 9 | 48871 | 718.69 Hakanese 9 | 40509 | 506.36 Amawyn 17 | 35736 | 525.53 Darkrane 4 | 35208 | 469.44 Raidi 0 | 23725 | 320.61 Kennae 13 | 23533 | 313.77 Bonesade 2 | 16435 | 202.90 Ethor 11 | 16425 | 241.54 Spongecake 9 | 15406 | 223.28 Fiest 0 | 15322 | 212.81 Danidella 8 | 15107 | 228.89 Eclipse 8 | 12960 | 164.05 Maridith 0 | 6162 | 77.03 Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00 Allies: (01:3<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 958084 | 9776.37 [HH Illu-Fusion-19766] Illu 22 | 188191 | 2068.03 Accelerant 53 | 119587 | 1299.86 Allestair 12 | 91017 | 1034.28 Numb 12 | 81132 | 901.47 Kyrika 23 | 64066 | 744.95 Naldir 132 | 61048 | 629.36 Marasmus 15 | 42492 | 447.28 Cometar 1 | 39669 | 455.97 Amawyn 2 | 33438 | 367.45 Ingold 21 | 33069 | 398.42 Hakanese 10 | 32194 | 331.90 Keith 18 | 28175 | 309.62 Raidi 0 | 24142 | 280.72 Bonesade 1 | 21653 | 230.35 Ethor 12 | 18484 | 196.64 Darkrane 1 | 17889 | 215.53 Willowshade 0 | 15761 | 321.65 Raehana 3 | 13864 | 266.62 Maridith 0 | 13275 | 136.86 Fiest 1 | 5364 | 57.06 Kennae 1 | 4880 | 55.45 Danidella 1 | 3860 | 44.88 Elva 5 | 2930 | 33.30 Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00 Heres a nice 4 min 45s fight parse Allies: (04:44) 2314695 | 8150.33 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-18427] Illu 57 | 483779 | 1733.98 Allestair 14 | 299289 | 1100.33 Kyrika 58 | 248016 | 925.43 Numb 59 | 191663 | 694.43 Ingold 34 | 162737 | 596.11 Naldir 553 | 161356 | 574.22 Hakanese 54 | 129408 | 465.50 Amawyn 26 | 107796 | 394.86 Darkrane 7 | 98078 | 360.58 Cometar 13 | 87710 | 1309.10 Raidi 0 | 77337 | 280.21 Ethor 53 | 76332 | 278.58 Fiest 1 | 48956 | 176.10 Bonesade 4 | 45721 | 165.06 Maridith 2 | 29199 | 104.28 Kennae 20 | 22808 | 87.72 Eclipse 15 | 21016 | 114.84 Danidella 7 | 11242 | 45.33 Spongecake 2 | 5344 | 28.28 Zelkor 0 | 0 | 0.00 but well you get the idea. I used to think these #'s were impossible but now i'm a believer. All it took for me to inflate my dps another 600-700 was synergism, and a troub with 7.2% allegro + 7.5% crit chance, + coercer m1 de-agro, and amends. Can you imagine what my dps would of been if we had the brigand show up? it would of been rediculous.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-01-2006 01:19 AM

duuf

07-01-2006, 03:24 PM

<div></div>Ilu wrote:Catalyst is only good for 1 crit on one spell every 1 minute. Doesn't seem worth it at all to me when I could pump those 8 points into something more useful.___________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________Cataylst should be precast before the pull so that the recast timer starts. Theoretically you could have a crit on nova and fusion back to back with freehand on your choice. As a practical matter timing usually dictates a spell or 2 in between the two casts (side benefit you live longer). So I usually lead off with a catalyst freehand nova, debuff, and depending on the timer lava, move in and catalyst fusion. I usually get 3 catalyst casts on the trash mobs in halls with the last cast somtimes the finisher. Although we never put up numbers like your raids ( I am awed) the str setup usually has me in a similar position atop the dps chain in our guild.Duufuss lvl70 pallyDuffus lvl70 wiz<div></div>EverfrostEdit note: forgot my sig dang itMessage Edited by rtwitty on 07-01-2006 04:31 AM

ailees

07-01-2006, 06:38 PM

>IT : Illu 857 | 7181893 | 1417.04 (me)Allestair 936 | 4815298 | 953.86 (conjuror)Kyrika 541 | 3385747 | 670.94 (wizard)I don't understand. You have more than double damage than the other wiz.Did you examine what's the spells he's casting and how many ? I can admit a 20, maybe 30 % diff, but not a 100% (or 140?) ! this is no more a question of AA, (btw, do you know what AA line they chose ?) but a question of knowing how to play.Well, in rude terms, either you are a god or they slack. <div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-01-2006, 10:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rtwitty wrote: Ilu wrote: Catalyst is only good for 1 crit on one spell every 1 minute. Doesn't seem worth it at all to me when I could pump those 8 points into something more useful. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _ Cataylst should be precast before the pull so that the recast timer starts. Theoretically you could have a crit on nova and fusion back to back with freehand on your choice. As a practical matter timing usually dictates a spell or 2 in between the two casts (side benefit you live longer). So I usually lead off with a catalyst freehand nova, debuff, and depending on the timer lava, move in and catalyst fusion. I usually get 3 catalyst casts on the trash mobs in halls with the last cast somtimes the finisher. Although we never put up numbers like your raids ( I am awed) the str setup usually has me in a similar position atop the dps chain in our guild. Duufuss lvl70 pally Duffus lvl70 wiz Everfrost Edit note: forgot my sig dang it Message Edited by rtwitty on 07-01-2006 04:31 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> hrm thats a very very good point. I hadn't considered using it in that way. Very nice work with maximizing the timers on catalyst and thanks for sharing. I know some wizards who do have the str line and this could benefit them immensely.

IllusiveThoughts

07-01-2006, 10:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: >IT : Illu 857 | 7181893 | 1417.04 (me) Allestair 936 | 4815298 | 953.86 (conjuror) Kyrika 541 | 3385747 | 670.94 (wizard) I don't understand. You have more than double damage than the other wiz. Did you examine what's the spells he's casting and how many ? I can admit a 20, maybe 30 % diff, but not a 100% (or 140?) ! this is no more a question of AA, (btw, do you know what AA line they chose ?) but a question of knowing how to play. Well, in rude terms, either you are a god or they slack. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I've been helping kyrika with a few suggestions on spell chains, and we've started to help maximize her dps as well. In her defense (shes a she not a he <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) she's only got 31 aa points and her current build is str 4/4/47 and wis 4/4/3, along with not having amends on her (it was on me) and she had about 1k less power than I did, and about 30 or so less flowing thought than me, you can see that she would have to be more conservative on power consumption than I would have to be. I also do not know how many masters or adept 3's she has, while I have ball of laval m1, irradiate m1, fusion m1, surging tempest m1, frostsheild m1, and glacial winds m1/frigid gift m1, the rest of course adept 3. Although from looking over the parses she did have the highest hit for the fights the most often. Here's my zone parse pie graph and data, <IMG src="http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/397/Illu.bmp"> and here's hers. <IMG src="http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/397/Kyrika.bmp"> You can draw your own conclusions.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-01-2006 12:01 PM

IllusiveThoughts

07-01-2006, 11:09 PM

oh and heres another parse of when the conjuror was grouped with me and the troubador (he uses his mage pet) and I think hes a darn good conjuror. He did pull agro and die at the last 10 or so seconds at the end of the fight so he would of parsed a little bit higher, but overall you can see that he's pretty close to me, and when we dont have the troubador we swap places usually for first on dps albeit not always first on dmg (i usually win on total dmg) again you can see kyrika got a hh on fusion (actually higher than my highest hit ever grats girl! ) Allies: (02:00) 1117650 | 9313.75 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-25836] Illu 44 | 210070 | 2019.90 Allestair 31 | 138535 | 1710.31 a fear-tainted feaster 0 | 104304 | 883.93 Kyrika 16 | 93728 | 976.33 Cometar 1 | 82505 | 778.35 Numb 21 | 70009 | 666.75 Naldir 180 | 55422 | 473.69 Keith 20 | 48533 | 462.22 Hakanese 14 | 47436 | 427.35 Marasmus 23 | 40844 | 378.19 Ingold 3 | 37821 | 331.76 Amawyn 6 | 35022 | 330.40 Raidi 0 | 27588 | 293.49 Willowshade 0 | 27327 | 333.26 Ethor 6 | 20897 | 186.58 Darkrane 2 | 18608 | 191.84 Bonesade 4 | 18238 | 162.84 Fiest 0 | 15658 | 177.93 Elva 0 | 6638 | 57.72 Danidella 4 | 6581 | 64.52 Maridith 0 | 5944 | 50.80 Kennae 0 | 3183 | 28.94

ailees

07-01-2006, 11:47 PM

<div></div><div></div>I tried to analyze and compare with your fellow wizz.(note : list those spells by decreasing damage, it is much easier for me to understand what are the big differences)/You generally have an average damage much higher than her., only difference is Fusion -i bet she's got master 1 also, and uses more freehand ? - but you cast much more than her, much more, between 50% (BOL, Fusion) and 100% (IN, GW, FOR).As both casting are not sorted on damage, I don't want to retype to analyze more. But 75% more casting with very often 25% more average makes a lot of difference and can explain that you are at 100% more damages. ah yes, another big difference is the use of AE... you do, she hardly does. and here 500K damage also !my hypothesis :I wonder if she does not loose too much time casting fusion ? dunno, can be an hypothesis. as well, maybe she does not take enough risks ? you have more AAs, but this is not enough to explain a double number in casting the main spells. ..If i were her (but I am not, and this is just an idea after looking at one log)first try : cast more spells without too much agro, to see if there is a difference after...1/ look if you don't loose lots of seconds with fusion2/ cast AE much more in that zone (Lab's is another problem) GW, FOR and Firestorm3/ use more ProtofernoAfter that, increase DDs (IN and BOL) .. even without amend I think you can cast more, and even if you die more it would be a good deal. ...and analyze again after all that ! ..now that's just what i think at it after looking at only one analyze. maybe you don't agree ? i'd like to have your opinion.<div></div>Message Edited by ailees on 07-01-2006 12:56 PMMessage Edited by ailees on 07-01-2006 12:58 PM

IllusiveThoughts

07-02-2006, 12:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ailees wrote: I tried to analyze and compare with your fellow wizz. (note : list those spells by decreasing damage, it is much easier for me to understand what are the big differences)/ You generally have an average damage much higher than her., only difference is Fusion -i bet she's got master 1 also, and uses more freehand ? - but you cast much more than her, much more, between 50% (BOL, Fusion) and 100% (IN, GW, FOR). As both casting are not sorted on damage, I don't want to retype to analyze more. But 75% more casting with very often 25% more average makes a lot of difference and can explain that you are at 100% more damages. ah yes, another big difference is the use of AE... you do, she hardly does. and here 500K damage also ! my hypothesis : I wonder if she does not loose too much time casting fusion ? dunno, can be an hypothesis. as well, maybe she does not take enough risks ? you have more AAs, but this is not enough to explain a double number in casting the main spells. .. If i were her (but I am not, and this is just an idea after looking at one log) first try : cast more spells without too much agro, to see if there is a difference after... 1/ look if you don't loose lots of seconds with fusion 2/ cast AE much more in that zone (Lab's is another problem) GW, FOR and Firestorm 3/ use more Protoferno After that, increase DDs (IN and BOL) .. even without amend I think you can cast more, and even if you die more it would be a good deal. ... and analyze again after all that ! .. now that's just what i think at it after looking at only one analyze. maybe you don't agree ? i'd like to have your opinion. Message Edited by ailees on 07-01-2006 12:56 PM Message Edited by ailees on 07-01-2006 12:58 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> yeah even though i was a 21.6% spell haste I still ended up casting a whole lot more spells, one thing to factor in is mine and her power pool size (i had a wardens + wis and + power buff so i was almost at 8k, while she was around 6300) i also have more flowing thought, so I'll talk to her and see if she was chaining spells or if she was using vital conversion more to conserve power. We have a labs raid today, and the troubador wont be joining us, so it will be a good way to show what a difference a troubador + coercer + illusionist makes on buffing my dps output

slippery

07-02-2006, 12:09 PM

There might also be a lot of fights where you aren't in range of the mob to get everyones complete damage.*shrug*If I could get a Troub, Ammends, Coercer deagro, and Synergism... Then throw in an inquis for their proc... *drools* God I wish. I was doing 1300 dps single target the other night in HoS with only an Inquis in my group <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Imagine the potential with the others added in!WTB More spell proc items :p Still don't have a lot of them as they just don't drop for my guild<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-02-2006, 12:22 PM

<DIV>Lab's raid results.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Had a Troubador(5.2% allegro[spell haste], + 7.5% crit) + amends + harmonious link (coercer 23% de-agro)+ illusionist proc synergism (only for half raid then he switched to his necro) MT had coercer for hate gain.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>mele dps group had a bruiser + monk + conj for fireseed, and the two rangers</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's the zone wide parse:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:03:04) 32174433 | 8501.58 [HH Illu-Fusion-27689] Illu 456 | 5060771 | 1339.00 (me) Allestair 460 | 2988295 | 793.17 (conj) Obeni 980 | 2833973 | 750.42 (warlock) Kyrika 291 | 2625903 | 696.80 (wizard2) Numb 578 | 2612681 | 693.11 (ranger) Elifa 704 | 1828327 | 484.26 (swash) Naldir 4902 | 1805353 | 477.16 (MT) Moncreathe 316 | 1792807 | 476.36 (ranger2) Marasmus 841 | 1439253 | 381.21 (bruser) Vinh 430 | 1386085 | 421.30 (monk) Willowshade 70 | 1324997 | 496.63 (warlock 2) Hakanese 668 | 1283839 | 339.41 (paly) Mangus 264 | 833440 | 221.28 (guardian) Raidi 3 | 676002 | 214.33 (coercer) Bansmo 170 | 671687 | 462.43 (illusionists alt necro) Keith 341 | 643208 | 304.12 (zerker) Ingold 184 | 566649 | 247.88 (the illusionist) Jaxjet 62 | 397065 | 106.27 (troub) Maridith 44 | 291369 | 77.01 (defiler) Danidella 109 | 247912 | 65.92 Spongecake 64 | 224163 | 71.16 Kennae 157 | 217275 | 57.52 Abilify 5 | 130889 | 150.88 Runt 36 | 119398 | 31.80 Twiggie 12 | 118057 | 31.39 Tundrra 4 | 39222 | 10.50 Ellyn 3 | 9025 | 2.39 Myrica 0 | 6788 | 7.97 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and these are just for bragging rights. I think i adjusted to the extra haste of allegro and was able to maximize my spell chain which was giving me more dps even though i had less haste from this troubador.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (00:53) 674460 | 12725.66 [HH Illu-Fusion-20749] Illu 2 | 95071 | 2501.87 Allestair 1 | 65807 | 1530.40 Obeni 19 | 55635 | 1545.42 Kyrika 5 | 55414 | 1497.68 Numb 12 | 52778 | 1353.28 Willowshade 0 | 52428 | 1139.74 Moncreathe 5 | 38301 | 1063.92 Elifa 10 | 37484 | 892.48 Marasmus 28 | 32929 | 731.76 Vinh 6 | 32599 | 814.98 Naldir 119 | 32515 | 677.40 Hakanese 15 | 31211 | 693.58 Keith 17 | 26787 | 723.97 Ingold 3 | 19991 | 487.59 Mangus 3 | 13273 | 323.73 Raidi 0 | 13070 | 303.95 Jaxjet 1 | 5370 | 145.14 Maridith 0 | 4236 | 94.13 Twiggie 0 | 2471 | 70.60 Spongecake 2 | 2277 | 65.06 Runt 1 | 1942 | 74.69 Danidella 0 | 375 | 15.00 Tundrra 0 | 0 | 0.00</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (01:16) 858065 | 11290.33 [HH Illu-Fusion-22008] Illu 15 | 161794 | 2568.16 Allestair 7 | 121757 | 1623.43 Kyrika 7 | 66710 | 1111.83 Numb 14 | 60418 | 901.76 Willowshade 8 | 58101 | 854.43 Obeni 21 | 49141 | 2340.05 Naldir 154 | 48485 | 655.20 Marasmus 24 | 43033 | 606.10 Elifa 18 | 41063 | 622.17 Moncreathe 5 | 31214 | 843.62 Hakanese 12 | 30829 | 416.61 Ingold 3 | 26943 | 472.68 Keith 12 | 24104 | 354.47 Raidi 0 | 23478 | 335.40 Mangus 3 | 16397 | 244.73 Jaxjet 5 | 13618 | 219.65 Vinh 3 | 10598 | 662.38 Danidella 0 | 6807 | 117.36 Kennae 2 | 4533 | 75.55 Runt 3 | 3862 | 63.31 Twiggie 1 | 2916 | 41.66 Spongecake 0 | 2899 | 87.85 Maridith 1 | 2350 | 34.06</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (00:37) 313678 | 8477.78 [HH Illu-Fusion-17269] Illu 1 | 61630 | 2201.07 Numb 10 | 37655 | 1448.27 Allestair 5 | 33643 | 1121.43 Vinh 3 | 24190 | 967.60 Elifa 10 | 22934 | 849.41 Naldir 28 | 18052 | 515.77 Marasmus 5 | 16866 | 581.59 Obeni 1 | 15647 | 977.94 Mangus 3 | 14328 | 597.00 Raidi 0 | 13188 | 454.76 Hakanese 3 | 13019 | 394.52 Kyrika 0 | 12698 | 793.63 Keith 4 | 9768 | 375.69 Willowshade 0 | 9557 | 308.29 Danidella 9 | 4789 | 217.68 Maridith 0 | 3380 | 102.42 Twiggie 0 | 1603 | 50.09 Runt 0 | 112 | 28.00 Tundrra 0 | 0 | 0.00</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's a graph of my dmg for the zone sorted by dmg just for you allies:</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/397/Labs%20Illu.bmp"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And here is the one of the other wizard, I was trying to give out some more spell casting tips, getting her to cast sooner and chain cast, she ended up pulling agro on one of the fights with about 1500 or so dps, so the potential is there to be clsoe to my dps but she holds back for fear of pulling agro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://www.controlledinertia.com/Portals/0/397/Labs%20kyrika.bmp"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's that parse I was talking about where it showed she has the potential to do more dps again remember she died at about the 49-50s mark, when she pulled agro she was from my calculations in the 1700 dps range. she did not have amends to protect her, but she did have the troub and coercer de-agro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allies: (00:55) 669314 | 12169.35 [HH Kyrika-Fusion-14119] Illu 4 | 82883 | 1927.51 Kyrika 0 | 61996 | 1409.00 Numb 11 | 60496 | 1440.38 Allestair 6 | 60350 | 1207.00 Obeni 25 | 57973 | 1183.12 Willowshade 15 | 56925 | 1265.00 Elifa 13 | 34885 | 775.22 Moncreathe 4 | 33802 | 889.53 Vinh 9 | 29296 | 714.54 Keith 13 | 27755 | 645.47 Naldir 75 | 26356 | 497.28 Hakanese 12 | 26250 | 495.28 Marasmus 8 | 25878 | 550.60 Maridith 0 | 19109 | 382.18 Ingold 3 | 18329 | 416.57 Raidi 0 | 13125 | 328.13 Mangus 4 | 11019 | 275.48 Kennae 6 | 4596 | 86.72 Spongecake 2 | 4189 | 99.74 Danidella 0 | 3507 | 97.42 Twiggie 0 | 2747 | 68.68 Runt 0 | 2637 | 94.18 Tundrra 0 | 2529 | 126.45 Ellyn 0 | 0 | 0.00 </DIV>Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-02-2006 01:31 AM

ailees

07-02-2006, 12:54 PM

IN Lyceum, use of AE is mandatory to increase DPS. That was one of the big differences in casting between you both.In Labs it is more difficult, because of ae mobs. If you must move a lot, it is not worth. GW still good of course !I studied labs much more than lyceum, because we go almost each week. Then I can analyze a lot, and see what's best casting. Right now I'm waiting for catalyst, will test it for one month !After that maybe I'll test agility line, if I'm not too lazy.<div></div>

Jezekie

07-02-2006, 03:31 PM

Also worth noting is that Frost Spikes for you Illu accounts for 7-8% of your overall DPS in some of your parses, and your raid buddy there comes up at 1%. It's an inflation IMO when comparing to other non-wizard classes as their damage shields aren't calculated that way.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

07-03-2006, 10:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jezekiell wrote: Also worth noting is that Frost Spikes for you Illu accounts for 7-8% of your overall DPS in some of your parses, and your raid buddy there comes up at 1%. It's an inflation IMO when comparing to other non-wizard classes as their damage shields aren't calculated that way. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> yeap, I suggested for her to start assisting the main tank for our labs raid so she could cast frostsheild on him, and as you can see she got another 5% dmg from doing so going from 1% to 6% dmg on the labs parse. personally, i'd rather have it the old way and have the hate go to the tank. Or keep it this way but still assign the hate to the tank. we lost out quite a bit on hate maintence with the agro change to it.

Fingle

07-04-2006, 01:27 AM

<div></div>I picked Agi/Wis straight off, but recently switched over to Str/Wis to test it out. Overall I found Str/Wis reduced my dps so I'm switching back. I do take agi as far as the 12% reduction to recast timers. I'm definately competitive with the summoners although after 2 weeks away I haven't had chance to test since LU24 really. Ok respecced back to my original build - agi 4/4/4/5/1 wis 4/8/4/8. I have a question for you ACT users, how do you combine to create a total parse for the raid? Thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>Message Edited by Fingle on 07-03-2006 02:42 PM

Jezekie

07-04-2006, 02:04 AM

<div><blockquote><hr>Fingle wrote:<div></div> I have a question for you ACT users, how do you combine to create a total parse for the raid?<hr></blockquote>On the Main tab, look at the buttom left hand corner there's a box called "Show Checkboxes (Batch Merge/Delete), tick that and you'll be able to tick off the various encounters you'd want to merge, then at the buttom again you should an option called "Merge Checked".In regards to Achievements, I might if it eventually turns out to be truly worth it through countless other parses from other players and my own findings to respec away from 4 4 8 in STA (10% mitigation), and 4 8 4 8 8 in WIS and instead go 4, 4, 4, 8 in AGI and 4, 5, 4, 8, 8 in WIS, I quite like the power consumption reduction. It was a noticble difference when I got it, and as it stands now I just don't have enough power regeneration/power pool with only 7k power and FT whatever when I also need resists and what not. If I wasn't on a PvP server I'd think the choices is pretty obvious, either STR for crit % + WIS or AGI for faster cast + WIS.</div>

Fingle

07-04-2006, 02:44 AM

THanks for the reply Dracon <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

Sokolov

07-04-2006, 06:59 PM

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ailees wrote: >IT : Illu 857 | 7181893 | 1417.04 (me) Allestair 936 | 4815298 | 953.86 (conjuror) Kyrika 541 | 3385747 | 670.94 (wizard) I don't understand. You have more than double damage than the other wiz. Did you examine what's the spells he's casting and how many ? I can admit a 20, maybe 30 % diff, but not a 100% (or 140?) ! this is no more a question of AA, (btw, do you know what AA line they chose ?) but a question of knowing how to play. Well, in rude terms, either you are a god or they slack. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> I've been helping kyrika with a few suggestions on spell chains, and we've started to help maximize her dps as well. In her defense (shes a she not a he <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) she's only got 31 aa points and her current build is str 4/4/47 and wis 4/4/3, along with not having amends on her (it was on me) and she had about 1k less power than I did, and about 30 or so less flowing thought than me, you can see that she would have to be more conservative on power consumption than I would have to be. I also do not know how many masters or adept 3's she has, while I have ball of laval m1, irradiate m1, fusion m1, surging tempest m1, frostsheild m1, and glacial winds m1/frigid gift m1, the rest of course adept 3. Although from looking over the parses she did have the highest hit for the fights the most often.<hr></blockquote>I got her Fusion M1, so that prolly helps with the HH <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But not sure what she has on the other's, and her DPS is going up with every raid with Illu's help - she even pulled aggro a couple of times on the Labs run on Saturday. We may need to get her own Aemends soon =D Still tho, she has always been more conservative than Illu and subsequently has much fewer raid deaths <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>Message Edited by Sokolov on 07-04-2006 08:16 AM

Geoxam

07-05-2006, 11:46 AM

Hey Illu, I know you touched on it before, but I would love to know what your typical casting chain is. As I think that will be the single most important factor in improving my DPS rating. (Scenario: Lab Raid (AE mobs or single target nameds), wis/agi line, not counting on any other class in my group.) Thanks, appreciate your input in this disscusion thread. Gelidpyre <Antonicas Nameless> 70 Wiz / 70 Sage Unrest

IllusiveThoughts

07-05-2006, 06:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Geoxam wrote: Hey Illu, I know you touched on it before, but I would love to know what your typical casting chain is. As I think that will be the single most important factor in improving my DPS rating. (Scenario: Lab Raid (AE mobs or single target nameds), wis/agi line, not counting on any other class in my group.) Thanks, appreciate your input in this disscusion thread. Gelidpyre <Antonicas Nameless> 70 Wiz / 70 Sage Unrest <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 3 mob or 2 mob groups. (remember i have 105% hate reduction, MT has 59% hate increase) soon as tank positions the mobs line myself up to hit 3 or 2 targets with fusion. Then Frigid gift, glacial winds, free hand sorc, fusion, reding icicles, surging tempest (on off tank mob) forge of ro, (our heat proc surge of flames or something like that) firey inferno, ice nova, ball of lava, (here I do a check on mob hp, if 2 groups and if he's got about 30% health I'll re-cast glacial winds if 3 groups i'll continue to use aoes when ever they refresh swapping between single targets and aoes when needed), then firey inferno again, usually main target is dead, and cast rending icicles on 2nd mob. Always remember even if there are 2 mobs up glacial winds will do more dmg on average than one ball of lava to 2 targets. Also dont be afraid to stand in aoe range on labs trash(so you can make use of firey inferno), work on getting some +sta gear (i can self buff to 4800 hp without potions) Focus on using firey inferno more than sunstrike as it does about double the dmg for the same cast time. I try to rotate ball of lava and firey inferno so the refresh timers are about half way when I get done casting one or the other. that will always leave time to cast stuff in between. for singles that let me get a full rotation off its usually like this rending icicles, frostsheild, protoferno, surging tempest, forge of ro, (by this time mob is usually full debuffed by raid) freehand fusion, ice nova, surge of flames, ball of lava, incapacitate, firey inferno, irradiate, then fill in the gaps as other spells refresh, sometimes I have to cast firey convultions (does more dmg than sunstrike on average) when I dont have a recast timer ready, and occasionally i'll have to use ice flame depending on how much spell haste i've got from the troub. for singles ball of lava takes priority, always time spell chains to use that as soon as it refreshes, next is incapacitate (if you can get 2 off in a fight), then firey inferno is 3rd on priority, then irradiate.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 07-05-2006 07:39 AM