Need some pvp advice. Getting owned by ppl 3 levels lower than me.

[HateMonume]

<DIV>I'm a lvl 24 wizard, on nagafen server. I'm going to admit it; I'm not good at all at pvp. I constantly find myself not using strategy at all, and just rooot, spam buttons, repeat. What are some good lines to do in pvp, because I'm emberassed with myself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's what I normally do:</DIV> <DIV>-------------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>-fire chamber (stuns)</DIV> <DIV>-root (keeps them away)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>               if ( I see they're casting something)</DIV> <DIV>-I'll throw that quick-casting interrupt at them</DIV> <DIV>               if ( I see they're melee)</DIV> <DIV>-Cold shield</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Ball of fire</DIV> <DIV>-Plasma strike ( I think that's what it's called)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is it worth even doing DoTs in pvp? If I end up having to root, the DoT could break it.</DIV> <DIV>When do you cast dispel magic on them, how long does it last?</DIV> <DIV>Just any tips for a lvl 24 wiz would help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[HateMonume]

WOW just realized I posted three times. Internet lag led me to believe I wasn't posting. I apologize, please delete the extra threads mods. Sorry again!

[Captain Apple Darkberry]

<P><FONT color=#ff6600>Forget root...   ...burn baby, BURN!!!  :smileyvery-happy:</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>Your spell sequence looks similair to mine, but I only root when they try and run.  I often use that time to drop the big DoT on them so they die like a coward (fleeing).</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>And don't forget to recast cold shield as it comes up...   ...it rocks.  Other than that, I am cycling fast blast, slow blast, AoE(s).  </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>And don't just use stifle on casters...</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>The golden rule still holds true; upgrade your spells for the win.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600></FONT> </P>

[Sya]

<DIV>#1 -  That interrupt isn't even working, because they still have immunity to interrupts from your stun.</DIV> <DIV>#2 -  Root is uselss, you can't even use coldshield when they are rooted (unless its a runner)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My sequence (if solo and I get the jump):</DIV> <DIV>-Stun</DIV> <DIV>-Fireball</DIV> <DIV>-Mezz for 16secs</DIV> <DIV>-Stun</DIV> <DIV>-Fireball</DIV> <DIV>-Quick Nuke or DoT</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've got a 10:1 KD ratio, so it probably works.</DIV>

[Sya]

<DIV>oh yeah, and I cast a shield on myself before I engage, just in case they resist a stun or mez they take some damage for hitting me.</DIV>

[Tin]

<div></div>You dont have problems with resists Syal? If my target isnt debuffed then my nuke spells seem to not hit for crap really. Nothing like having my adept3 ball of flames mitigated down to 500 damage.I guess I have a little different strategy since I try and use the old school root and nuke system. RootCold ShieldIce RainDebuff Fire/ColdFreehand SorceryBallQuick nukeStunDD/DotBallIf root breaks anytime in there I stifle if they are close to me and stun immediately. I gotta admit it doesnt work out the best because alot of times people with high hp end up next to me or can even kill me with extremely low lifeI really like your strategy though Syal since you dont have to rely on root. Im gonna give it a shotTinzen - 39 Wizard<Duskfallen>Venekor<div></div><p>Message Edited by Tinen on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:37 AM</span>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Syal2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>#1 -  That interrupt isn't even working, because they still have immunity to interrupts from your stun.</DIV> <DIV>#2 -  Root is uselss, you can't even use coldshield when they are rooted (unless its a runner)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My sequence (if solo and I get the jump):</DIV> <DIV>-Stun</DIV> <DIV>-Fireball</DIV> <DIV>-Mezz for 16secs</DIV> <DIV>-Stun</DIV> <DIV>-Fireball</DIV> <DIV>-Quick Nuke or DoT</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've got a 10:1 KD ratio, so it probably works.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>mez and stun are on the same timers.  if you mez'zed for 16s then you shouldn't be able to re-stun for 32 s.  i'm pretty sure stifle is on a separate control type timer.

[HateMonume]

<DIV>I'd like to thank everyone. I practiced a lot over the weekend, and have earned a slayer title. I've come up with a new strategy, but have yet to try it out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>fire chamber-------(stuns)</DIV> <DIV>root-------(Why not nuke? Well, if I were to use ball of fire, which takes a while to cast, they could have a chance at escaping. Root keeps them there so they can't escape.)</DIV> <DIV>plasma strike-------(so-so nuke)</DIV> <DIV>ball of fire-------(Big nuke! I can see the tears come out of the Q's eyes when this bad boy hits them!)</DIV> <DIV>mezz-------(Have a little stare-off battle. Allows recast time on ball of fire to come back)</DIV> <DIV>ball of fire-------(2nd big nuke)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do roots have to be gone before you can mez?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, syal: I completely disagree that root is useless. Your "chain" of spells that you use doesn't require root, because you keep them stunned. But mine does, and so does other people's. I can remember many times when root has stopped a fleeing Q that would have otherwise escaped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by HateMonument on <span class=date_text>04-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:43 AM</span>

[zdr]

<DIV>I used to be pretty crappy at PvP untill lvl30 when I really started using some strategy and putting all spells to use, not just nuke/root like you did. Casting the spells in the correct sequence is vital and there really isn't one good sequeance that you can follow cuz it changes during the fight as we all know. But let's see if I can give any tips (Currently lvl35 Destroyer)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If a target is stationary and DOESN'T see me here's my sequence that I would use:</DIV> <DIV>1. Ball of fire</DIV> <DIV>2. Flame chamber</DIV> <DIV>3. Root</DIV> <DIV>4. Plasma strike</DIV> <DIV>5. Mesmarize</DIV> <DIV>6. Ball of fire</DIV> <DIV>7. Cold shield</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>... now let me explain why this is working for me, and should work for any other wizard out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. You want to hit them with this spell first as it has a long re-cast time, so the sooner you hit 'em with it, the sooner it`ll be ready for another strike, there is no need to cast root or flame chamber because they're not going anywhere when you hit them since they don't see you yet (this is important that they dont see you).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. You cast this as a mini-root since they`ll start moving/running after they get hit the #1. This spell will cause significant damage AND freeze them for 3sec allowing you to have plenty of time to cast your next spell (root) while at the same time not allowing them to cast any defensive spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. You cast root so your prey doesn't go anywhere since now they're pretty scared that you've just dealt probably close to 800-1000dmg and they havent had a chance to move yet, they either wanna run at you, or run away from you, but they're not so lucky.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Unless you're at lvl35+ at this point you're out of any big dmg spells, so your next best bet is Plasma strike, which should do 100-250dmg, I`m not sure on the exact value. This will probably break the root spell and allow your enemy to start moving towards you, but this is where you move onto your next root-type spell.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. So you've now dealt close to 1000dmg and they're [Removed for Content].. as they run at you, cast Messmarize on them. This will freeze them where they stand for another full 15sec I believe allowing your spells to recharge.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6. Now that they're stunned, your big nuke Ball of fire is ready and reacharged, hit the Messmarize spell again to un-stun your self and them, and cast Ball of fire as they either run at you, or away from you. This will deal another 200-500dmg on them without having as much as a scratch on your yet.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7. By this time, they should be close to 1/4th of their health. Casting Cold shield on yourself should deal another 200-300dmg depending on how many times they manage to hit you. You should be able to finish them off with your remaining spells, Breath of tyrant or anything else you may have handy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>.... this has worked time and time again for me, with the person being more confused and dissoriented than anything. For the first 1-5 steps, they really can't do much and are powerless against you. If they manage to resist anything inbetween those steps, cast a quick Tounge Twist to interrupt their spell casting as they`ll be trying to get you back if they resisted any of your spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This should work fine for anybody who doesn't see you coming ofcourse, and remember to stand not close, and not far from them, that way they cannot hit you with melee, but you are close enough to cast spells should they manage to run away a few steps from you between spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This same technique should work for someone who is seen running by you or basically in motion. The only thing I switch up is the sequence of #1 and #2 and the Flame Chamber will stop them in their tracks and allow you to cast #1 Ball of fire.</DIV>

[Forebian]

<P>I've not used Boreal (Mez) in PvP or PvE yet. lol.</P> <P>Would one of you explain its use?  I've read the description and it says the wizard is stunned during the time of mezzing...so if I'm solo would we both just be standing there looking at each other?</P> <P>In a group I can see its usefulness as you could mez one of a pair...but having no experience whatsoever with this spell leaves me clueless.</P> <P>As far as my experience in PvP I would say that if I am up against a melee I'm often dead if I cannot root them. Even blue cons can rip through me pretty quickly. Sometimes I get jumped and never even get a chance to cast a spell with all the stuns and interupts that occur. I won't bother to go through my 'strategy' because you've all covered things nicely. </P> <P>I've killed more than I've died but when someone gets on me in close combat I'm just dead.</P>

[j656]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zdrux wrote:<BR> <DIV>I used to be pretty crappy at PvP untill lvl30 when I really started using some strategy and putting all spells to use, not just nuke/root like you did. Casting the spells in the correct sequence is vital and there really isn't one good sequeance that you can follow cuz it changes during the fight as we all know. But let's see if I can give any tips (Currently lvl35 Destroyer)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If a target is stationary and DOESN'T see me here's my sequence that I would use:</DIV> <DIV>1. Ball of fire</DIV> <DIV>2. Flame chamber</DIV> <DIV>3. Root</DIV> <DIV>4. Plasma strike</DIV> <DIV>5. Mesmarize</DIV> <DIV>6. Ball of fire</DIV> <DIV>7. Cold shield</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>... ....................... <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Looks good, but I have some questions.  First, how do you get Flame Chamber off before they get to you and start stunning/stiffling you to death, it seams to have a long cast time?  Second, I am a lvl 30 wizard and I don't have a Mesmarize spell, could you let me know which spell mezzes?  Also, I have benumb as Master 1, does that actually work as a stun/stifle? And third, whats the point of ColdShield, I would have a heck of a problem clicking on me then back on the target, just to use coldshield, would that be more usefull doing that first before combat begins?</P> <P>Thanks.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[zdr]

<DIV>Forebian: The only good use I've found for Boreal in PvP is to let all my spells recharge. I hit them with the longest recast spells first, then you mez (boreal) them, and let your spells recharge, un-mez and hit `em again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for having enough time to hit them with Flame Chamber, it depends. Like I said, you have to make sure they dont see you attacking, or they`ll start running at you and disrupt you. But if you stand at maximum distance of Fire Ball, you should be able to cast Flame Chamber by the time they make it to you. If you're not sure of the distance or wether they`ll run for you, just reverse the too spells and use flame chamber first.</DIV>

[j656]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>zdrux wrote:</P> <P>........................</P> <P>5. So you've now dealt close to 1000dmg and they're [Removed for Content].. as they run at you, cast Messmarize on them. This will freeze them where they stand for another full 15sec I believe allowing your spells to recharge.</P> <P>...................................<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So, what spell are you refering too in point 5? Boreal?</P> <P>Thanks<BR></P>

[zdr]

<P>Yes, Boreal is what it's called, some call it mez (mesmorize) others call it Borea, you get it at lvl25 so you will not see it if you're below that level.</P> <P> </P> <P><A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Boreal.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/Boreal.php</A></P> <P> </P> <P>...it lasts for as long as root does (15sec) so its quite usefull. You cannot use it recharge Flame Chamber because re-cast on that is 29sec I think. But its works fine for Ball of Fire.</P>

[Brigh]

Nimbus Aurora lasts for 22.5 seconds in pvp. Its the level 53 wiz mez.I have attempted to use it while in a group in pvp to stun casters / healers. The only time I remember using it in pvp it kept gettting resisted.I could see using it in a group to stun the group evacer (bot groups die!) if there is only one, but your group would have to know to leave your mezed target alone.It would work better if you not in the equation for that time didn't hurt the group (another caster or enough dps in the group).

[foulpla]

You're in your prime in low levels (24-33ish really) so kill kill kill!  By the time you're my level (63 wizard now) people will have resists in the 5000+'s and you won't be able to hit them at all (if you do you'll hit for nil).  Still hoping to get some feedback from SoE on this.<div></div>