level 64 master II

[QQ-Fatman]

<div>Level 64 master II spells: (409 int at level 64)Glacial Wind: 459-853 a tickProtofernoFrigid Gift: 293-358, 70% slowIceshield: 852-1041 Which one would you choose?</div>

[Tanit]

I picked Glacial Wind.<div></div>

[Nimington]

<div></div><font color="#9933ff">I'll probably take the Glacial Wind, the others are good, but I like haveing that AoE line master, good bang for your buck.</font>

[Scarface7]

<div></div>i think ill pick iceshield when i hit 64, its one of my favorite spells

[electricninjasex]

<span><blockquote><hr>QQFatman wrote:<div>Level 64 master II spells: (409 int at level 64)Glacial Wind: 459-853 a tickProtofernoFrigid Gift: 293-358, 70% slowIceshield: 852-1041 Which one would you choose?</div><hr></blockquote></span>I received my wisdom on the choice from my wizard guildie.  AE spells are used to burn trash that is rarely of consequence.  Protoferno notoriously breaks roots when soloing.  Frigid Gift has a long recast.  Iceshield we use SPAM AND USE ALL THE [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] TIME.  So Iceshield it is.

[greenhor]

<div></div>I'm only lvl 61 right now but if the casting time is as long on glacial wind as it was on freezing wind (or whatever came before) then i'll be going with iceshield.  That timer is just too long and in AOE fights (trash mobs) everything is dead before i can get the spell off. 

[HomeChicken]

<div></div><div>meh i went with frigid gift, thats a pretty sweet upgrade in damage and even tho its a long recast time (hopefully that goes down enough with the AAs), since im always in a caster dps group in raids that will add a good amount of dps to all of my group members</div><p>Message Edited by HomeChicken on <span class="date_text">02-27-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:11 AM</span></p>

[Zberyn]

<div></div>I'll definitely be going with Iceshield unless something changes between now and my chance to pick.  It's the best bang for the buck IMO.  The other 3 will be just fine as Adept IIIs, seeing as we aren't AE specialists, and Adept III is usually more than fine for picking off pets on named mobs, Proto is a fun spell, but not worthy enough of Master II (too streaky IMO), and Gift's cast time is just not worth it enough to burn a Master II choice on.  Leaves me with Iceshield as being the most beneficial and best use of a boost.

[Zyphius]

^^ Agree... I use the shield like I drink coffee.. consistantly...

[VampireWookie]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>QQFatman wrote:<div>Level 64 master II spells: (409 int at level 64)Glacial Wind: 459-853 a tickProtofernoFrigid Gift: 293-358, 70% slowIceshield: 852-1041 Which one would you choose?</div><hr></blockquote><p>Will be Iceshield for me.   Next to Ice Comet, it's my most used spell.</p>

[valkyrja]

Ice Shield, hands down.  I always go with the spell I use most, and I use it all the time.<div></div>

[UUCyberSte]

Ice Shield for me too, just too all around useful.<div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><p>protoferno or glacial wind.  at max int m2 should do just over 1K per mob</p><p> </p><p>although I'd rather pick protoferno and be able to do some before/after comparo's and see if his dps actually increases or if it just raises his max hp.</p>

[Tornadicc]

<div></div>I will be picking Glacial Wind.

[tentim]

<div>Iceshield - it's the one that will ultimately do most damage, especially on raids. Also someone in my guild gave me glaciel wind master 1 so I gots it already <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>And your English seemed fine to me btw <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div>

[iceriven2]

<div></div>gonna go with iceshield myself.  Something that i use just as much as our ice dot

[BadLieutenant]

<div></div>If you are going to raid a lot then I would suggest Ice Shield. The power costs are next to nothing and it does a massive amount of damage. And the bueaty of it is that it causes hate towards the person you casted it on each time it goes off so it is a great for helping the tank get agro at the beginning.

[Lanadad]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div>If you are going to raid a lot then I would suggest Ice Shield. The power costs are next to nothing and it does a massive amount of damage. And the bueaty of it is that it causes hate<font color="#ffff00"> towards the person you casted it on</font> each time it goes off so it is a great for helping the tank get agro at the beginning.<hr></blockquote>Unfortunately, this is not true currently, the hate is built up by the caster of the spell. If you doubt this, duo with any tank on an 'easy' mob, cast Ice Shield on him and let him auto-attack. You are suggesting the caster (wizard) will not get aggro in this situation. In my experience, he will.As for the choices, I believe Glacial Wind is a great addition for single group and solo action. Maybe less in raid situations.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Lanadad on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:03 PM</span></p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lanadad wrote:<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div>If you are going to raid a lot then I would suggest Ice Shield. The power costs are next to nothing and it does a massive amount of damage. And the bueaty of it is that it causes hate<font color="#ffff00"> towards the person you casted it on</font> each time it goes off so it is a great for helping the tank get agro at the beginning.<hr></blockquote>Unfortunately, this is not true currently, the hate is built up by the caster of the spell. If you doubt this, duo with any tank on an 'easy' mob, cast Ice Shield on him and let him auto-attack. You are suggesting the caster (wizard) will not get aggro in this situation. In my experience, he will.As for the choices, I believe Glacial Wind is a great addition for single group and solo action. Maybe less in raid situations.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Lanadad on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:03 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>thats true if you cast it during the fight and the tank doesn't use any taunts or agro increasing stances.  The cast of the buff on the player generates hate to the wizard.  the procs of ice sheild generate hate on the person its proc'cing off.

[electricninjasex]

<span><blockquote><hr>Lanadad wrote:<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div>If you are going to raid a lot then I would suggest Ice Shield. The power costs are next to nothing and it does a massive amount of damage. And the bueaty of it is that it causes hate<font color="#ffff00"> towards the person you casted it on</font> each time it goes off so it is a great for helping the tank get agro at the beginning.<hr></blockquote>Unfortunately, this is not true currently, the hate is built up by the caster of the spell. If you doubt this, duo with any tank on an 'easy' mob, cast Ice Shield on him and let him auto-attack. You are suggesting the caster (wizard) will not get aggro in this situation. In my experience, he will.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>You need to refine this suggestion. We know that the act of casting Iceshield adds hate to the caster, what we're questioning is whether the actual damage it causes adds hate to the caster or the tank.  Right now we assume the tank.It is also believed that casting Iceshield before an encounter actually begins, ultimately yields no hate to the caster.

[Zyphius]

<blockquote><hr>electricninjasex wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Lanadad wrote:<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div>If you are going to raid a lot then I would suggest Ice Shield. The power costs are next to nothing and it does a massive amount of damage. And the bueaty of it is that it causes hate<font color="#ffff00"> towards the person you casted it on</font> each time it goes off so it is a great for helping the tank get agro at the beginning.<hr></blockquote>Unfortunately, this is not true currently, the hate is built up by the caster of the spell. If you doubt this, duo with any tank on an 'easy' mob, cast Ice Shield on him and let him auto-attack. You are suggesting the caster (wizard) will not get aggro in this situation. In my experience, he will.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>You need to refine this suggestion. We know that the act of casting Iceshield adds hate to the caster, what we're questioning is whether the actual damage it causes adds hate to the caster or the tank.  Right now we assume the tank.It is also believed that casting Iceshield before an encounter actually begins, ultimately yields no hate to the caster.<hr></blockquote>Yup, I agree... and that is exactly what I try to do. If my tank targets a mob, he usually puts up a buff and then pulls, so I cast the shield as soon as he casts his buff, that way its already applied before and hate is generated.

[Egg]

<div></div><p>What I want to know is how we didnt get a Nuke as a choice.   We cast Direct Damage spells more then anything else, and we dont get a choice as a Master II?  That is come crap in my opinion.  I guess they feel it is ok that chanters out DPS.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[BadLieutenant]

<div></div><div>Yeah all buffs will generate hate towards you, that is why you cast it before the encounter starts. If a tank body pulls and then I cast it I will get agro, everbody should know that by now. Usually you want to buff before the encounter, our tanks give a countdown so I know when to cast it. If i cast it before the ecounter starts I will get no hate at all and the tank will get all the hate from the times it procs, making Ice Shield the choice for me as a raiding wizard.</div><p>Message Edited by BadLieutenant on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:18 AM</span></p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><p>I should also point out for the number crunchers</p><p>I group with a paly with 33% amends hate transfer, and I can cast frost sheild if he body pulls.</p><p>which means what ever agro the buff generates, the body pull must generate more than 67% hate towards the person who body pulled, than the buff itself.</p>

[Tanit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Egg wrote:<div></div><p>What I want to know is how we didnt get a Nuke as a choice.   We cast Direct Damage spells more then anything else, and we dont get a choice as a Master II?  That is come crap in my opinion.  I guess they feel it is ok that chanters out DPS</p><hr></blockquote>Obviously because all choices are being picked from lvl60-64 spells.  And being given the best spells at m2 for free is something i really dislike, im glad we dont get to choose it.</span><div></div>

[Tornadicc]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div><div>Yeah all buffs will generate hate towards you, that is why you cast it before the encounter starts. If a tank body pulls and then I cast it I will get agro, everbody should know that by now. Usually you want to buff before the encounter, our tanks give a countdown so I know when to cast it. If i cast it before the ecounter starts I will get no hate at all and the tank will get all the hate from the times it procs, making Ice Shield the choice for me as a raiding wizard.</div><p>Message Edited by BadLieutenant on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:18 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I got auto aggro when I cast it before the engaged encounter with the Black Queen.  Our tanks countdown so I know I was casting it from before the engagement.  I had to drop all my buffs to figure this out so we wouldn't wipe three times in a row.  So maybe this was a bug and has been fixed now which would make this a nice spell at m2.

[Zyphius]

<blockquote><hr>Tornadicc wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>BadLieutenant wrote:<div></div><div>Yeah all buffs will generate hate towards you, that is why you cast it before the encounter starts. If a tank body pulls and then I cast it I will get agro, everbody should know that by now. Usually you want to buff before the encounter, our tanks give a countdown so I know when to cast it. If i cast it before the ecounter starts I will get no hate at all and the tank will get all the hate from the times it procs, making Ice Shield the choice for me as a raiding wizard.</div><p>Message Edited by BadLieutenant on <span class="date_text">02-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:18 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I got auto aggro when I cast it before the engaged encounter with the Black Queen.  Our tanks countdown so I know I was casting it from before the engagement.  I had to drop all my buffs to figure this out so we wouldn't wipe three times in a row.  So maybe this was a bug and has been fixed now which would make this a nice spell at m2.<hr></blockquote>I will be testing this tonight.

[Tornadicc]

<div></div>Cool, I may change my choice according to the outcome.

[Zberyn]

<div>I've never gained noticable hate from casting this spell before a mob was engaged; however, I am very interested in reading your results since the Shield is looking like the best optiont to take, still.  If it does generate unnecessary aggro, meh.</div>