Quested Level 57 master 1

[Fingle]

OK I tend to nose around all forumns and came across this thread :- http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=10&message.id=16664 I checked up on the details at ogamming and it seems the reward for the access is a level 57 master spell.  Since we only get SUnstrike this must be our master.  This is really an FYI, but also wanted to see if any wizes have done this and can confirm it? <div></div>

[rex]

it is true   have it waiting for me all clases 57 master is the reward for poets palace access

[Glenolas]

It is definitely true.  I got the discovery for it on Toxxulia server. Glenolas Level 54 Wizard Toxx <div></div>

[Tanit]

Yeah i got sunstrike master 1 from it. Imo it's quite lame that everyone gets a free master 1 for such an easy quest (i solo'd it except for the last encounter). <div></div>

[adamflanagan]

<span>I quite like the idea that you can quest for spell upgrades but they should be quite challenging, especially for a master 1.</span><div></div>

[Fingle]

/agree Adam <div></div>

[killzo]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanith_ wrote:<BR>Yeah i got sunstrike master 1 from it. Imo it's quite lame that everyone gets a free master 1 for such an easy quest (i solo'd it except for the last encounter).<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Those level 57 spells are quite lame so it's no biggie.  300 points more than the spell it replaces...  Certainly not going to affect your dps much.</DIV>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>killzone wrote:<blockquote> <hr> Tanith_ wrote:Yeah i got sunstrike master 1 from it. Imo it's quite lame that everyone gets a free master 1 for such an easy quest (i solo'd it except for the last encounter). <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>Those level 57 spells are quite lame so it's no biggie.  300 points more than the spell it replaces...  Certainly not going to affect your dps much.</div><hr></blockquote>its still 300 point every 4 secs (2 cast, 2 cooldown)</span><div></div>

[OneBadAli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> killzone wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tanith_ wrote:<BR>Yeah i got sunstrike master 1 from it. Imo it's quite lame that everyone gets a free master 1 for such an easy quest (i solo'd it except for the last encounter).<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Those level 57 spells are quite lame so it's no biggie.  300 points more than the spell it replaces...  Certainly not going to affect your dps much.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Your wrong, this spell, even though it doesnt do huge damage is a big part of our dps, the short timer and lower mana consumption makes this a truely great spell. The damage isnt that bad either....

[Fingle]

Acording to todays patch notes this quest as now been nurfed to an adept1.  Congratz to those who managed to do this already. I'm still trying to get to shimmering Citadel myself so I guess I'm out of luck again.  Not very happy about this <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Telcontari71]

<P>OK.  I have a problem with this...</P> <P>Is it Adpt 1 for all going forwards and will the other Master I revert to Adpt1?  Or is it just the fact..  Ooops  sorry.. Tough for people who do this later...</P> <P>The problem is..  while its only 300DPS.  300DPS over Adpt3 is a big difference.    With a 2 sec and 2 sec cool down..  In 40 seconds I can cast this 10 times...  for 10K Damage.  Vs.  Being able to cast is 10 times for 7000 damage.    Well I would much prefer Strike cast 10 times over once cast of Ice Comet....  followed by the inevitable resists.</P> <P>Gimpgae of 30%.  Ooops sorry...  but since you are not elite enough to get this done in the frist two weeks, we have now changed the rewards for any new people doing the quest.</P>

[brow27]

<span><blockquote><hr>Telcontari71 wrote: <p>OK.  I have a problem with this...</p> <p>Is it Adpt 1 for all going forwards and will the other Master I revert to Adpt1?  Or is it just the fact..  Ooops  sorry.. Tough for people who do this later...</p> <p>The problem is..  while its only 300DPS.  300DPS over Adpt3 is a big difference.    With a 2 sec and 2 sec cool down..  In 40 seconds I can cast this 10 times...  for 10K Damage.  Vs.  Being able to cast is 10 times for 7000 damage.    Well I would much prefer Strike cast 10 times over once cast of Ice Comet....  followed by the inevitable resists.</p> <p>Gimpgae of 30%.  Ooops sorry...  but since you are not elite enough to get this done in the frist two weeks, we have now changed the rewards for any new people doing the quest.</p><hr></blockquote>Wow a tad bit of assumption here wouldn't we say?  He did not say "Master 1 Sunstrike does 300 more damage than Adept III Sunstrike".  </span><span>What was said is it had 300 more damage than the spell it REPLACES.  I have to assume that he meant it was replacing Flamestrike.  He also didn't mention what level the spell it replaces was at.  He could be referring to Adept 1/3 or Master 2 of Flamestrike. </span><div></div>

[Telcontari71]

<P>OK.  Maybe a bit hasty here...   <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   But sadly people who completed the quest before now have a spell that does more damange and has less chance to be resisted (as it is a master 1)</P>

[Fingle]

Yeah I'm feeling punished for not running through the game instead of taking my time and enjoying the experiance.  Same kind of deal with nerfing the silent city drops.  Those who were in there the first 2 weeks got a large number of fabled drops the cried for nerf! If I was cynical I would think this was a way of gearing up raiding guilds while everyone else is out of luck. <div></div>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Fingle wrote:Acording to todays patch notes this quest as now been nurfed to an adept1.  Congratz to those who managed to do this already. I'm still trying to get to shimmering Citadel myself so I guess I'm out of luck again.  Not very happy about this <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Screw you Sony, this is bull shet.

[justright]

I dont like this a bit. If you nerf something it should be a nerf for <u>all</u> not just for those who havent been fast enough. Since it wouldnt be possible to do in this case it would be better to just leave as it is. Poor judgement indeed. <div></div>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Fingle wrote:Acording to todays patch notes this quest as now been nurfed to an adept1.  Congratz to those who managed to do this already. I'm still trying to get to shimmering Citadel myself so I guess I'm out of luck again.  Not very happy about this <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>does anyone know if you keep the master 1 or if it gets converted to adept 1? as im on splitpaw  we dont get this patch til tomorrow so i want to know if its worth rushing this quest through tonight to get the master.</span><div></div>

[Cowtothes]

<P>Do the quest fast !  Those who finished before the change still have the master.</P> <P>Somehow, I knew this nerf was coming, so I finished it about a week ago. Just takes a solid group. Most are solo stuff, so doesnt take a raiding guild to do this.</P> <P> </P>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>adamflanagan wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Fingle wrote:Acording to todays patch notes this quest as now been nurfed to an adept1.  Congratz to those who managed to do this already. I'm still trying to get to shimmering Citadel myself so I guess I'm out of luck again.  Not very happy about this <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>does anyone know if you keep the master 1 or if it gets converted to adept 1? as im on splitpaw  we dont get this patch til tomorrow so i want to know if its worth rushing this quest through tonight to get the master.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>WOOT!! just got sunstrike master1! took me about 7 hours as all the raiding guids were doing this as well and kept stealing all the updates but i finally got it. now just need 5.4 more levels til i can use it! im off to bed now as its 3.30 am.</span><div></div>

[Glenolas]

<div></div>Some numbers to feed the hungry regarding  Sunstrike and  Flamestrike:<i> Damage</i> <i>range</i> for Sunstrike     Master I is 725 - 1346.    For a 2 second cast time this will be an <i>average</i> DPS of  518. <i>Damage</i> <i>range</i> for Flamestrike Master I is  513 -  953.    For a 2 second cast time this will be an <i>average</i> DPS of  367. While neither is sky high DPS,  it remains a valuable spell because of its quick reset time.  It will be used as a filler in any sequence, waiting for BoI and Cremate to reset, after the mandatory firing of the debuff and Ice Comet.  Being heat based, it will also trigger  fiery surge when it lands, restarting the cycle for that bonus damage spell. Regarding the reward for Poet's Palace access (Be Careful What you Ask For) in Shimmering Citadel: There are several quests that reward a Adept I, and it appears this one has now become one of those vs the Master I it rewarded pre nerf.    There was nothing raid guildish about the quest...mostly solo step and fetch with occasional near full group help needed.   A well drilled duo can do it.    Those who got the master from the quest still have it.  It was not converted by the nerf to the reward, either scribed or unscribed. Glenolas Level 56 Wizard Toxxulia <div></div><p>Message Edited by Glenolas on <span class=date_text>10-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:38 PM</span>

[brow27]

The important numbers aren't the difference between Sunstrike M1 and Flamestrike M1, its the difference between Sunstrike Adept 1 and Master 1.  That will show you how much (or little) you lose by not getting the master vs the adept. <div></div>

[Zyphius]

According to MG, all those who got the Master 1 will be reverted to Adept 1.

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>putergod wrote:<div></div>According to MG, all those who got the Master 1 will be reverted to Adept 1.<hr></blockquote>where did Moorgard say this? the only thing ive seen MG say about this is that master 1s will not be changed back in <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=quest&message.id=82865#M82865" target=_blank>this</a> thread.</span><div></div>

[Zyphius]

<DIV>nm... i misread what he said...<BR></DIV><p>Message Edited by putergod on <span class=date_text>10-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:00 AM</span>

[TunaBoo]

<div></div>First ppl to do a zone always get the bugged loot.. reason why you want to level fast ;P They don't go back and revert old people.. or they would have to revert the 10000 fabled ppl got in silent city or faction isntances before they fixed the excessive master drop. <div></div><p>Message Edited by TunaBoo on <span class=date_text>10-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:42 PM</span>

[CharlieAshla]

Finished PP access about a week ago, and I've had the Mater 1 Sunstrike in my pack since then. Scribed the M1 about 3 hours ago when I dinged 57. <div></div>

[lostname0]

<DIV>This is Bull.  All of us that didn't finish the quest fast enough for sony should put all of our accounts on hold till they put this back in.  Either that or anyone that has the adept 3 made really get a master lvl 2.  Hell it took me two weeks till people finally figured out that we weren't really nerfed that bad and I started finding groups again.  This madness needs to stop or all I have to say is VANGUARD OR GUILD WARS!!! I'm surely not going to keep paying sony to be complete incompetents.</DIV>

[curtlewis]

Sunstrike Master 1 is not that great. Get over it. If it was Ice Comet Master 1 then I'd be [Removed for Content]. But frankly, Sunstrike kinda sucks. Poet's Palace, however, looks to be a sweet grind zone for higher 50s up to 60.

[OneBadAli]

<P>Sunstrike Master 1 is awesome. Really short cast/recast time and over 1000 damage. If u add up how many times u can cast this in the time u can cast 1 ice comet u will see that this is one of our best spells and a big staple of our dps diet.</P> <P> </P>

[curtlewis]

Wimpy damage, out of line with our level.I can do 2500pts with Ball of Incineration in the time I can do 2k with Sunstrike and BoI is lower level.

[OneBadAli]

<P>Here let me make it easy for you, because its obvious you only look at damage, your NOT considering casting time, recast time, power consumption, etc.</P> <P>This is from a level 60 wizard with roughly 403 int.</P> <P><IMG src="http://69.6.171.254/upgrades/im1.JPG"></P> <P>Sunstrike Master 1</P> <P>power: 105</P> <P>casting time: 2 secs</P> <P>recast 3 secs (so 5 secs total to between Sunstrike casts)</P> <P>Damage: 714-1326</P> <P> </P> <P>Ball of Incineration Master 2</P> <P>power: 238</P> <P>casting time : 3 secs</P> <P>recast 9 secs (so 12 secs total between BoI casts)</P> <P>Damage: 2692</P> <P> </P> <P>Ice Comet Master 1</P> <P>Power: 327</P> <P>casting time: 4 seconds</P> <P>recast time: 45 seconds (so 49 seconds between ice comet casts)</P> <P>Damage: 3127-5807</P> <P> </P> <P>Ok so lets compare Sunstrike Master 1 to Ball of Incineration master 2</P> <P>Ball of Incineration can do a max damage of 2692 every 12 seconds using 238 power.</P> <P>Sunstrike Master 1  can do a max damage of 1326 every 5 seconds using 100 power. So actually in 10 seconds you could cast Sunstrike twice, doing a max damage of 2652 damage and using less power. then Ball of Incineration.</P> <P>What does that mean? </P> <P>I can do roughly the exact same damage in 10 seconds using sunstrike that i could in 12 seconds of Ball of Incineration. I would save 2 seconds by using Sunstrike, i would save 38 power, and i would only lose out on a max damage difference of 40 points of damage.</P> <P>Now does it make sense that Sunstrike IS a good spell?????</P> <P> </P> <P>Ok Now Ice Comet Master 1 vs. Sunstrike Master 1</P> <P>In 49 seconds Ice comet master 1 can do a max damage of 5807 using 327 power</P> <P>In 50 seconds Sunstrike master 1 can do a max damage of 13,260 (1326 max damage X 10 casts (5 seconds total per cast with Sunstrike)  using a total of 1050 power.</P> <P>So using Sunstrike instead of Ice Comet over a 50 second duration would give you well over 2x's the damage of ice comet, the downfall is you would use alot of power(great if you need to burn a mob down fast and dont have to worry about conserving power).</P> <P>So to clarify, Sunstrike is one of our best spells whether you will believe that or not.</P><p>Message Edited by OneBadAlien on <span class=date_text>10-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:56 PM</span>

[Bucksno]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OneBadAlien wrote:<BR> <P>Ok Now Ice Comet Master 1 vs. Sunstrike Master 1</P> <P>In 49 seconds Ice comet master 1 can do a max damage of 5807 using 327 power</P> <P>In 50 seconds Sunstrike master 1 can do a max damage of 13,260 (1326 max damage X 10 casts (5 seconds total per cast with Sunstrike)  using a total of 1050 power.</P> <P>So using Sunstrike instead of Ice Comet over a 50 second duration would give you well over 2x's the damage of ice comet, the downfall is you would use alot of power(great if you need to burn a mob down fast and dont have to worry about conserving power).</P> <P>So to clarify, Sunstrike is one of our best spells whether you will believe that or not.</P> <P>Message Edited by OneBadAlien on <SPAN class=date_text>10-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Something to also consider when comparing Ice Comet to Sunstrike is the number of chances to break a root.</P> <P>Sunstrike = 10 chances to break root vs Ice Comet = 1 chance to break root over the same 50 second time period.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[OneBadAli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bucksnort wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OneBadAlien wrote:<BR> <P>Ok Now Ice Comet Master 1 vs. Sunstrike Master 1</P> <P>In 49 seconds Ice comet master 1 can do a max damage of 5807 using 327 power</P> <P>In 50 seconds Sunstrike master 1 can do a max damage of 13,260 (1326 max damage X 10 casts (5 seconds total per cast with Sunstrike)  using a total of 1050 power.</P> <P>So using Sunstrike instead of Ice Comet over a 50 second duration would give you well over 2x's the damage of ice comet, the downfall is you would use alot of power(great if you need to burn a mob down fast and dont have to worry about conserving power).</P> <P>So to clarify, Sunstrike is one of our best spells whether you will believe that or not.</P> <P>Message Edited by OneBadAlien on <SPAN class=date_text>10-11-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Something to also consider when comparing Ice Comet to Sunstrike is the number of chances to break a root.</P> <P>Sunstrike = 10 chances to break root vs Ice Comet = 1 chance to break root over the same 50 second time period.</P> <P><BR> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Were currently discussing damage(or at least i am <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), and any wizard knows when to spam a damage spell and when not to. Hence i said a good time to use is when you need to burn a mob down really fast, like in a raid environment or group environment. So you can take it into consideration but it would have nothing at all to do with overall dps.</P> <P>So comparing dps, in a solo environment casting only certain spells at certain times = low dps, but dead named mob. Im referring to dps in a raid/group environment. It is one of, if not the, best pure dps spell we have, not good to spam 10x's in a row when soloing a named using roots, but when your in a raid or in a group this spell is ownage.</P><p>Message Edited by OneBadAlien on <span class=date_text>10-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:43 PM</span>

[Za'Had]

When something like this happen, the only thing you can ask is WHY ?- Was it done by a WOW infiltrator who sneekily replaced Ad1 with Master 1- Did the programmer not know the difference between Ad1 and Master 1- Does SoE hate customers- Was it a practical joke ?

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>I  don't understand why chnage it at all?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sony you just continue to do things to people that shows what little to no consideration you have for your customers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just typical Sony.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some people get in while it's good and everyone else is left in the cold.</DIV>

[Fingle]

There is a rather large thread on this issue in the quests forumn, currently 19 pages I believe.  Moorguard responded to this issue there on page 1.  Just an FYI in case you want to look up the official response. <div></div>