Why Wizards got lovest DPS after revamp?

[Attronach]

<DIV>Can please anybody tell me, why wizard got lovest DPS (almost) in all more than 1min combat lovest DPS output than before revamp?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How is possibel all melee char can over damaget all wizard?</DIV> <DIV>SOE post table where Wiz is alost on top of DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont understand why SOE EVERY TIME nerfing weak class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you SOE.</DIV> <DIV>:smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[goboy]

<P>I have yet to be out dps'd by a mellee class.  Are you parsing or just going by impressions?</P> <P> </P>

[Attronach]

<P>Parser.</P> <P>Only Guardian is under wiz</P> <P> </P>

[blynchehaun]

Could you provide the raw log in that case? <div></div>

[Stavenh]

<P>I don't even parse much anymore, and I can see I'm not being outdamaged. </P> <P>I've grouped with lots of classes since the revamp. Last night, in Lavastorm, hunting Basalt Rumblers. level 45 ^^^ heroic mobs. I could just see that it was my damage that took the mobs down. Doing a bubble or more of health per hit is noticable.</P> <P>Then we had a contest, to see who could solo the mob the best. I won, no question, the templar and fury didn't even want to try, the Guardian and assassin we had to jump in and save. The Guardian held his ground better then the assassin, but couldn't do enough damage befor his mana ran out. Once that happened, he started taking damage. The assassin did a lot of damage, but took alot to. </P> <P>I took no damage, and killed the mob. </P> <P>This tells me, wizards rock. </P>

[Attronach]

<P>Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.</P> <P>Im talking about group and raid action.</P> <P>Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?</P> <P>Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?</P> <DIV>Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TooFarGo]

...huh? Pretty much every group I've been in since the DoF expansion, I've come out on top in DPS.  True, even the tank was getting close to me, but generally I was always on top of the DPS charts.  If another caster is in the group, we generally fight for first place. And actually, the buffs are pretty nice... What level are you? INT? Gear? Spell quality? <div></div>

[blynchehaun]

Attronach: again, show me the raw logs please. <div></div>

[blynchehaun]

< This tells me, wizards rock. > I concur. I'm tired of trading anecdotes with the people who claim we have crap DPS. They don't believe ours, we don't believe theirs. I've seen my logs, I've seen myself do high DPS. At this point, I'd like to see the logs of the people doing low DPS. The <b>logs</b> mind, not the end result from the parser..... <div></div>

[Kamuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attronach wrote:<BR> <P>Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.</P> <P>Im talking about group and raid action.</P> <P>Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?</P> <P>Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?</P> <DIV>Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You would do well to realize that EQ2 is not a game that has appealed to a wide audience. The people who continue to play are people who (obviously) like the way that EQ2 is implimented. The very large continigent of people who do not like the way EQ2 was impliemented have long since quit and moved on to other games. Asking this group of people "why do wizards have low DPS" is not going to yield the kind of answer you may be looking for. Does this mean your wrong? Well, thats not for me to decide. I would suggest that you take a look at the FAR more active WoW, SWG, VanguardSOH, etc forums. There are more EQ2 players there then there are here.</P> <P>Me? I play everything. I even play EQ2 (although less fequently then in the past), but I've accepted the fact the EQ2 combat model is generic and the differences between classes are hard to even notice. It plays like a PvE combination of Quake and EQ1. Some people like it this way. These are the people who read this forum. Don't be shocked if they don't agree with you. They are not wrong to enjoy their game.</P>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Attronach wrote:<P>Im not talkin about single mob and/or solo kill.</P> <P>Im talking about group and raid action.</P> <P>Who want wiz on raid if every melee can overdamaget it?</P> <P>Because (nerfed) bufs or because (nerfed) power transfer?</P> <DIV>Everyone see only maximum dmg on ice comet nothing else <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>You know, I'm kinda tired of hearing this cope out, that it's raids. Maybe wizards aren't designed for some boss mobs for a reason? No boss mobs comes alone, they all have friends which can easily wipe a raid. I've noticed that many of the issues that wizards have with the Boss mobs, such as being immune to be cold/fire or both, the henchmen don't. Why, we are really effective against these. Maybe if most raids didn't work around the idea of piling on all damage on a single boss mob, people might see, hey, if I put the wizards on the henchmen, we can take them out of the picture much quicker, and not waste resources.But no, ever raid, it's the same, DPS the boss mob. Oh and again, it won't matter if you had spells that did 10,000 to 100,000 points of damage for no mana and could be cast in one second, every 2 seconds, if they mob is immune to that damage, it doesn't mean our spells are too weak, it means the designers made it so we are ineffective against those mobs. Upping our DPS won't fix that problem.

[SalBlu]

<P>I can tell you that I decimate the enemy in groups.  I absolutely rip them to shreds.  I've been grouping consistantly from the moment DoF went live, and only in a select few circumstances was I outdamaged by ANYONE.  People do come close, yes, but most of the time I am leading by a wide margin. </P> <P>Post your level.<BR>Post your stats.<BR>Post your gear.<BR>Post your parses.<BR></P>

[Lakland]

I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2.

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lakland wrote:I certainly out dps most classes in many situations, but sometimes it's not a matter of dps, but that I can deal large amounts of damage instantly. One situation I think Wizards are certainly valuable in is the Named Heroic encounter with several mobs. While everyone else is doing there thing on the Named, I'm usually tasked with taking out all the lesser mobs one at a time on my own. I have never played a Wizard class before, but I do enjoy it in eq2. <hr></blockquote>Smart wizard.That's always been one of my points, we can burn down the extras fast. With the revamp, there are times I can take out the extras in one shot. So lets see, one shot kill a mob, protoflame another so it's not hitting the tank, and suddenly you've gone from 4-5 mobs beating on the tank to 2-3 mobs, and then about 10 seconds later, your down to the main mob and a maybe a friend. Who is usually at half health, and you help finish him off.Maybe people just really don't understand where a wizard stands out.

[slippery]

Quite a few times, especially since revamp, I have saved a group from having to do a shard run deep into LT or near the top of a Tower or anywhere else simply because something bad happens, everyone dies real quick, and I can crowd control the adds to keep them away from me and do away with a heroic encounter and its adds. You are not inherently crowd control as a Wizard but you can do an amazing job at it. Adds? No biggie, make sure everyone knows to back away and you can root them in place and take them down one at a time if the tank isn't in a position to deal with them right now. Let the group deal with the original encounter, you can make sure the heroic add doesn't get in the way and is probably dead when they finish the first <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Attronach]

<P>Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way.</P> <P> </P> <P>SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.</P> <P>I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.</P> <P> </P> <P>Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:</P> <P> </P>

[ccfallo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attronach wrote:<BR> <P>SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.</P> <P>I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.</P> <P>Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:</P> <P><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm not sure where all this is coming from...    My dammage is definately up. </P> <P>Some may have legitimate complaints about our DPS compared to others, but even those people usually put  us in the top 5 classes.  As has been already said, what kind of gear are you wearing, are your spells upgraded,  whats your INT?</P> <P>Immediately after revamp, I'll be honest, I got it handed to me on many occasions, but once I toyed around with the new spell lineup and adjusted my strategies to compensate, I believe I'm much more effective now, in groups and soloing. When soloing, I sometimes notice groups of 2 killing the same mobs I am killing in a simillar ammount of time.  If I'm gimped, I feel very sorry for those people lol.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[AsheBail]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attronach wrote:<BR> <P>Hm, i see this is wrong place for complaining. Then GL with killing green mobs with wizards. Its your way.</P> <P> </P> <P>SOE sad "wizard HAVE TO BE highest DPS ever". BUT this is DEFINITLY NOT TRUE.</P> <P>I don't need discus anything else because is NONSENSE.</P> <P> </P> <P>Happy gamming with your gimped wizards :smileysad:<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah, I think once you leave the Isle of Refuge things will change for you.  Taking on that named 'raid' orc in the cave can be very traumatic.  I agree, I dont seem to do much more damage than priests, scouts, and fighters do against him.</P> <P>But stick with the class past level 20.<BR></P>

[Attronach]

<P>Wizard L51, int ~270, i know my spells well even after meganerf aka combat revamp.</P> <P>Almost all spells I have are Adept3, few master1 (and master2)</P> <P>prismatic weapon, robe of invoker, efereti boots, one fabled thing.</P> <P>Once again, im NOT complaining about overal DPS and soloability. This is OK.</P> <P> </P> <P>Example form  Drayek raid:</P> <P>wizard (me)  did 27k dmg</P> <P>Swashbuckler did 33k dmg</P> <P>Necro did 42k dmg</P> <P>warlock did 62k dmg</P> <P> </P> <P>This numbers say all  - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"?</P> <P> </P>

[blynchehaun]

< <p>Example form  Drayek raid:</p> <p>wizard (me)  did 27k dmg</p> <p>Swashbuckler did 33k dmg</p> <p>Necro did 42k dmg</p> <p>warlock did 62k dmg</p> <p>This numbers say all  - where is first position for 'highest dmg dealer"? > </p> <p>No they <b>don't</b> say all..... </p> <p>Show your log. </p> <p>How much of that fight did you do nothing for? </p> <p>How long did the fight last? </p> <p>Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs? </p> <p> </p> <p>If you want to be taken seriously, post the info. Otherwise, you're trolling. </p> <div></div>

[Attronach]

<P><EM>Show your log.</EM></P> <P>Sorry i cant post here 100k log file.</P> <P><BR><EM>How much of that fight did you do nothing for?</EM></P> <P><EM>huh? you mean im sleep on raid? I did all time what i can do.<BR></EM></P> <P><EM>How long did the fight last?</EM></P> <P><EM>5min<BR></EM></P> <P><EM>Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs</EM></P> <P>56 hits and only 3miss.</P> <P> </P> <P>before revamp i have on same mob 43k</P> <P>warlock  49k</P> <P>swash 37k</P> <P> </P>

[mutschml]

<P>How much did the group int boost the others? how much did your str-buff add to the scouts DPS? How much the procs with Fiery Granduer? How much damage did you do with frostshield?</P> <P>Does your parser assign that DPS correctly to you?</P>

[Attronach]

<DIV>mutschml, can you send me your log from raid?</DIV> <DIV>I will analyse it myself and compare all with my log.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Antai]

<div></div><a target="top" href="../view_profile?user.id=78484"><span></span></a>Attronach, you say you are talking about groups and raids. Your example is only reflecting the raid part of your claim. As raid damage is very situational I am more interested at the moment in your claim that wizards are constantly outdamaged by other classes when equally equipped. Do you have any logs around (summaries are fine) which backup your claim? And please, add some info on the other players and the names of the mob.<div></div>

[blynchehaun]

< Sorry i cant post here 100k log file. > Your log file is 100k after 5 minutes of fighting? Put it on a server, and link to it, or send it to me brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com. I'll save further comments til after I've seen the log. <p> </p> <div></div>

[Attronach]

<P>I will not send any private information out of my computer.</P> <P>I think, we can stop this pointless discusion.</P> <P>I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf.</P> <P> </P>

[blynchehaun]

< I will not send any private information out of my computer. > And yet you wanted other people to send you <b>their</b> logs. <b>L M A O ! ! ! </b> < I know im right. Only thing i can do is wait for characters rebalance because im not only who see big wizard nerf. > Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away. <div></div>

[Attronach]

<DIV><BR>>Troll. You're nothing but a troll. Go away.<BR>I hope survive this hard truth...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only one who post here numbers (and correct numbers) is me. Nobody else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a nice day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[blynchehaun]

< I want know if somebody asking me for LOG is agreeable send me HIS log for analyse. > Absolutely *no* problem at all. I don't have a Raid log, but I do of my regular playing. I'd be more than happy to email it to you, should you provide an email address. I'll reply to your log with mine. Or if you simply mail me at brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com, I'll send the log on to you. <div></div>

[Attronach]

<P>Thank you, but soloing log say NOTHING.</P> <P> </P>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Attronach wrote: <P><EM>Show your log.</EM></P> <P>Sorry i cant post here 100k log file.</P> <P><BR><EM>How much of that fight did you do nothing for?</EM></P> <P><EM>huh? you mean im sleep on raid? I did all time what i can do.<BR></EM></P> <P><EM>How long did the fight last?</EM></P> <P><EM>5min<BR></EM></P> <P><EM>Were you up against Ice/Fire Immune mobs</EM></P> <P>56 hits and only 3miss.</P> <P> </P> <P>before revamp i have on same mob 43k</P> <P>warlock  49k</P> <P>swash 37k</P> <P> </P><hr></blockquote>So, what your saying, with only three resists, and all our direct nukes dramatically going up in DPS, and mobs no longer mitigating damage you did less damage now then before the revamp.Even just from this, I can see issues with your claim of less DPS. Even on raids.

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Attronach wrote:<P>Thank you, but soloing log say NOTHING.</P> <P> </P> <hr></blockquote>Sir, you have been busted. You have nothing to back up your claim. You can easily send your log or part of your log via email safely. You can simply cut and paste that section to a new file, send it using yahoo or aol, or if you don't have that, do it from work, or any cyber cafe. As for cost, it's nothing to use a comp at a cyber cafe. If you say you can't afford it, you spend money on a game so I don't even want to hear how a few dollars makes a huge difference.The bottom line, you make a claim with no proof, you make statements that, even without data to support them, it's clear they don't stand true, and then act like a brat caught drawing on the walls.You think you can trick Sony into upping spell damage for wizards by claiming with no proof our DPS stinks.Maybe you just sat there eating your microwave burrito and cheese puff more then button mashing on the raid.

[mutschml]

<P>Log says nothing. And killing raid mobs is a matter of the whole raid. If I can boost someone to do more DPS than me, I don't care. It's good to be in a guild thats not too big, so almost always all people can join the raid. And the fun is to get master chests, or other upgrades, and not doing highest DPS. At least that's what I am doing.</P> <P>I actually use cure arcane often on raids too, to help keep the MT alive. I can't do DPS then either. Raiding can be fun, when you don't play it against a crappy DPS analyzer.</P>

[blynchehaun]

< Thank you, but soloing log say NOTHING. > So you're not going to send your log then? < Sir, you have been busted. You have nothing to back up your claim. > Pretty much. Just so we're all clear here, Attronach, that within a 5minute period, with both Ice Comet, Ball of Incineration and Paralyse at your disposal, you cast <b>56</b> spells unresisted, and managed an average of <b>482 damage per spell</b>? (reference: "wizard (me)  did 27k dmg") You managed <b>59 spells in 5 minutes</b> (roughly 5 seconds per spell, on average), and yet only managed <b>482 damage per spell</b>? Back it up with logs. Put up, or shut up. As a lvl 42 Wiz, over a 1 minute combat, I can <b>easily</b> manage 5k damage in a fight. If you, as a lvl 50+ wiz can only manage to <b>match that</b>, then maybe you need to learn how to play. Like maybe cast Ice Comet once in a blue moon.... <div></div>

[Zyphius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blynchehaun wrote:<BR>< Sorry i cant post here 100k log file. ><BR><BR>Your log file is 100k after 5 minutes of fighting?<BR><BR>Put it on a server, and link to it, or send it to me brilyn (at) gmail (dot) com.<BR><BR><BR><BR><STRONG>I'll save further comments til after I've seen the log.<BR></STRONG> <P><BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You wont see the log... (i.e. troll)</P> <P> </P> <P>But, I will interject this... I see overall DPS being somewhat down, or not really much better than before, because of linked spells that should not be linked and long cast/recast timers on the major damage dealers - but my instant damage is off the charts! Chain IC, Paralyze, Flamestrike, and BoFl and thats like 6500 (avg) damage in like 12 seconds. However, 4k of that is now unavaible for 40 seconds and, in most fights (that arent epic) wont get the chance to be cast again. If they unlinked Word Of Force and lowered the recast of IC to 30 seconds I would be much happier; and even moreso if they slightly lowered the cast of it and recast of a couple others. I don't see any of that happening (although the first one VERY MUCH SHOULD), but I am, overall, pleased with my abilities. One shotting v greens/blues with IC is actually pretty funny (even works on a couple v yellows)...<BR></P>

[brow27]

There is no way this guy did less damage now on a Drayek raid than before.  Our AE damage has been upped considerably, and our normal damage is generally higher as well.  This is not even counting the damage you give to others in the forms of our INT/STR buff, and casting FrostShield on the tank. If he is actually not lying about what happened, here is the only reasonable explanation:  Drayek is ICE IMMUNE. You can cast Ice spells on drayek all day long and do no damage.  Genius here was probably casting Ice Comet, Icy Wind, Piercing Icicles, etc on Drayek and doing no damage.  So yes they weren't resisted, but they also didn't do any damage.  Either that, or he's still trying to play the exact same as before the revamp, which any smart player will tell you DOES NOT WORK. My guild has only raided Drayek once since the expansion, that day actually (and obviously due to not being familiar with the changes as well as Drayek aggroing WAY fast now).  When we were there I noticed his ice immunity, and also the the fact that HE DOES NOT MITIGATE ANY HEAT DAMAGE. If you used your AEs on the adds, and your heat spells on Drayek, your damage should have been more than fine, and much better than it was before.  I'm not overly fond of namecalling, but you are a liar, an idiot, or both. <div></div>

[curtlewis]

Drayek was Ice Immune before, though. And you, as the caster, don't get any sort of indication of that. I think a text message saying Immune floats above his head, but on a raid, you can't tell if that's for YOUR spell. Sure, you figure it out eventually, but it's lame that you don't get proper notification.SOE needs to put IMMUNE in your combat log... You try to cast SpellName on MobName, but they are IMMUNE!or something like that...

[Daga]

<DIV>thats the problem with logs.  Either htis dude is still using his ice spike as a main sort of damage, or he is a troll.  I hate the parsers.  So what if they did overall more damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been in fights, parsed (incorrectly I might add, it never took into account protoflame or ice shield), where my dps was significatly lower than others in the group.  But in that group of 6, 3 were dead by my hands.  It just so happened that my burst damage kileld them.  But overall, I was lower.  without the burst damage, We might have wiped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quit trolling.  wizards need tweaks.  you just can't play anymore with RoC to save your butt.</DIV>

[ccfallo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attronach wrote:<BR> <P>Wizard L51, int ~270, i know my spells well even after meganerf aka combat revamp.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> I don't think many wizards know all their spells <U>that well</U> after revamp... Almost all spells were somewhat modified, spells removed, some completely changed and new spells added.  Many of us are still getting a feel for them, along with other classes.  Most claim to have found an effective post-revamp strategy, but even they are still tinkering with things, for sure. (ie trial and error).  Your above statement seems very  dismissive of those changes.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> At lvl 51, you spent a whole heck of alot of time with the old spell lineup, and you can't possibly be as familliar with the current one, after only a couple weeks!  </DIV>

[Conequis]

Not sure what the OP in the beginning of this thread was talking about.  As a 51 Wizard I DEFINATELY do more damage now overall than before and am quite happy with the changes.  Yes, there are some little tweaks that I think need to be done with wizards, however, after such a major overhaul was done to the combat I'd say we came out ahead real nice. FYI, I was REALLY [Removed for Content] that ROC went away, but actually now am quite happy with the way roots are working now. <div></div>

[Conequis]

<span><blockquote><hr>ccfallout wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr></blockquote>  <div> At lvl 51, you spent a whole heck of alot of time with the old spell lineup, and you can't possibly be as familliar with the current one, after only a couple weeks!  </div><hr></blockquote> Actually you can and it's not that hard.  The best thing to do is to just clear out your hotkeys and start practicing on greys to give you an initial estimate and then work your way up from there.  Yes, you tweak a little on the way, but this isn't a rocket scientist type of game.  It takes about a week at the most to get confortable with the new spell lineup.  The key thing IMO is to just clear out your hotkeys first.</span><div></div>

[SalBlu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Conequis wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR>Actually you can and it's not that hard.  The best thing to do is to just clear out your hotkeys and start practicing on greys to give you an initial estimate and then work your way up from there.  Yes, you tweak a little on the way, but this isn't a rocket scientist type of game.  It takes about a week at the most to get confortable with the new spell lineup.  The key thing IMO is to just clear out your hotkeys first.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's exactly what I did.  I wiped all of my hotbars and started from scratch.  I actually ended up eliminating a whole bar worth of spells due to them being ineffectual after the revamp.  This has helped me out alot.<BR>

[Glenolas]

<div></div>Replying to the example of Drayak raid where wizard was 4th down the damage list supplied: Drayak is not a great raid for wizards, as the boss is  totally immune to cold, which takes your highest dps spell out of the mix.  You can't possibly get max dps there, even though you will be quite effective against the adds, which are usually what cause difficulty for the otherwise easy raid. Take on Vaz Gok in the Feerot and watch what happens....you and your warlock friend will swap places...and you may well be the top DPS in the entire crowd.   The wrath keeps the  melee people down to big chunks of quite  time, running in and out,  while you nuke away from range non stop until your power runs out.  If you have good power regen in your group and regen gear, you will run out of power about the time the boss dies and you will top the DPS chart.   Stay idle and you will drop down, of course. You have to factor a LOT of variables into raids, and most of the raid guilds have not yet learned the new mixes of classes and what they can do.  Glenolas Level 53 Wizard Toxxulia. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Glenolas on <span class=date_text>09-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:42 AM</span>

[Glenolas]

Furthering the discussion on Drayak,   you can likely improve your total raid damage on this raid, even though the boss is cold immune.   Note that the adds come in groups,  at a known point in Drayaks health, and make sure you are on the MA: 1.  When the adds pop, fire your group locked AOE immediately, and every time it resets (10 secs).  2.  Since there is no reason not to use your unlocked AOE (Inferno) fire it  next, and every time it resets.  3.  You might avoid the shocking flash AOE, as I think it actually lowers your DPS rate, even though you are getting the group multiplier.  I.e. a good single target heat spell in that 2 second slot does more total damage. This combo alone will put an average of  1700 damage into EACH add, by the time they are reset, which is about 10 seconds. In the time between your AOE's resetting do this: 4.  Fire your ice comet into one of the adds. 5.  Use your fast resetting HEAT spells and remaining cold spells in descending damage order, until: 6.  Your AOE's reset.  Fire them religiously into the adds, even when one is down. Never miss an opportunity to Ice Comet an add.   Pick one that's not so far gone that it dies before IC fires. When back on the boss, never use a cold spell.  Even the little magic damage spells are worth more, but this is going to be your lowest DPS time.  Glenolas Level 53 Wizard Toxx <div></div>

[Attronach]

<P>Thank you Glenolas fpr constructive post.</P> <P>Drayek isn't cold imune but they have higher resist to cold damage. All my ice based spells hit and did damage (because of full timer on spell, because of dmg in log, because of lover hp bar on drayek). </P> <P>I know there are better places for wizards on raid (nice is raid zone in Casic thule) where i did before revamp MUCH dmg than any other chars.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For few ppl here im liar, idiot and I don't know my character. It's hard speak with players who seen raid mob only on screenshots about overal dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ccfallo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Actually you can and it's not that hard.  The best thing to do is to just clear out your hotkeys and start practicing on greys to give you an initial estimate and then work your way up from there.  Yes, you tweak a little on the way, but this isn't a rocket scientist type of game.  It takes about a week at the most to get confortable with the new spell lineup.  The key thing IMO is to just clear out your hotkeys first.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree, and thats exactly what I did.   My point was that months and months of leveling to 51 with the old spell lineup, you get pretty darn familliar with the way things work.  Past the tweaking stage I would say, most likely.   Compare that to a couple weeks with the new system, and I don't believe you can achieve the same level of familiarity that quickly.  If you can, then my hat goes off to you.</P> <P>The jist of what I'm saying to the OP is to hang in there.   Don't believe you've reached the pinnacle of execution, and thats the best you can do.  Try different strategies etc.  You may be suprised.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by ccfallout on <span class=date_text>09-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:27 AM</span>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Attronach wrote:<BR> <P>Thank you Glenolas fpr constructive post.</P> <P>Drayek isn't cold imune but they have higher resist to cold damage. All my ice based spells hit and did damage (because of full timer on spell, because of dmg in log, because of lover hp bar on drayek). </P> <P>I know there are better places for wizards on raid (nice is raid zone in Casic thule) where i did before revamp MUCH dmg than any other chars.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For few ppl here im liar, idiot and I don't know my character. It's hard speak with players who seen raid mob only on screenshots about overal dmg.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry, but we have raided Drayek ourselves. </P> <P>And again all we have to do is the math in your data, and see that you either were casting very low spells, or lying about your damage. Or lying about eveyrone elses damage.</P> <P>Please just stop. </P>