For WIZARDS THAT DO NOT AGREE AND BRAG

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>This is only a suggestion:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For you wizards that like to brag about killing super high level mobs or that brag about certain abilities - keep it to yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In case you did not know, SOE has a habit of nerfing abilities when STUPID people barg about them. They (SOE) usually feel that if someone is bragging it usually because said ability is over powered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IF YOU ARE INSANE AND ARE COMPELLED TO POST REPLIES - TO SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY - JUST SAY YOU NEED TO PRACTICE TO AVOID RUINING OUR CLASS ANYMORE .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks, </DIV>

[Pkac]

I've been away for a while and I come back to see you are still over playing everything to do with Wizards. Agreed I have not seen everything yet since I came back to the game, but I was in a group with old friends tonight: 50 Guardian ( wearing all Fabled with a Prismatic sword) 50 Fury (Same gear as above) Me 47 Wiz ( Wearing about half Fabled Half Legendary) All 3 of us have all spells/arts 40+ at Adept 3 or better. I was drawing Aggro if I got a bit carried away., Thats all I ever wanted - to have to be careful with my DPS. I'm sorry that your character hasn't recieved the 'I win' button yet, but maybe if you complain some more they will finally listen to you.

[tass]

aye. as long as this game runs, there will never be anything that is perminent. Thats why the first day the patch was completed and i saw soe giving the extra xp for a week, and then saw the massive outcrys and posts of people, i decided i better haul &$$ and use this quick benifit to lv my mage as far as the week would take him. that way when soe acidentally looked at posts to try and assess the situation, id be well tward lv 50 where my spells would still nuke anyway. Remember, nothing lasts forever. Just enjoy it while it lasts... expecially in this game lol. <div></div>

[AsheBail]

<DIV>Hasn't your fire starting stopped yet, <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=129510" target=_blank><SPAN>Lady Uaelrea</SPAN></A>? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have become somewhat of a joke in the wizard community with your many started threads attempting to cause trouble.  In this time when faar isn't even around anymore, you manage to get your posts of hate locked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not post something with some thought out critizism, instead of just insulting everyone who don't fully agree with you?</DIV>

[stepha72]

<P>Well said AsheBailey.  </P> <P>Some of us actually it seems many of us are happy with the changes.  There are a few very outspoken (I wont name them because we all know who they are) wizards who have been relentless about saying we are nerfed.  I dont know about the rest of you but most of my spells never came anywhere near the damage they are doing now.  </P> <P>Lets turn this thread into a positve one.  What does eveyone like about their wizard and the combat revamp!!</P> <P>I like that intelligence actually makes my spells work better</P> <P>I like that Adept 3's are huge upgrade over apprentice 2 rather than barely any difference at all.</P> <P>I like the damage that my spells do.</P> <P>These are only a few things that I like lets Keep it going wizards what do you like!!!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheBailey wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hasn't your fire starting stopped yet, <A target=_blank href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=129510"><SPAN>Lady Uaelrea</SPAN></A>? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have become somewhat of a joke in the wizard community with your many started threads attempting to cause trouble.  In this time when faar isn't even around anymore, you manage to get your posts of hate locked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not post something with some thought out critizism, instead of just insulting everyone who don't fully agree with you?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have never attacked anyone directly as you do.</P> <P>I have not insulted anyone - I am making a recommendation to people that BRAG. But I was informed that SOE does ingame parses across the board to make determinations on who they think needs to be nerfed.</P> <P>The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class).</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> stepha72 wrote:<BR> <P>Well said AsheBailey.  </P> <P>Some of us actually it seems many of us are happy with the changes.  There are a few very outspoken (I wont name them because we all know who they are) wizards who have been relentless about saying we are nerfed.  I dont know about the rest of you but most of my spells never came anywhere near the damage they are doing now.  </P> <P>Lets turn this thread into a positve one.  What does eveyone like about their wizard and the combat revamp!!</P> <P>I like that intelligence actually makes my spells work better</P> <P>I like that Adept 3's are huge upgrade over apprentice 2 rather than barely any difference at all.</P> <P>I like the damage that my spells do.</P> <P>These are only a few things that I like lets Keep it going wizards what do you like!!!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Maybe I did not make myself clear - obviously you did not understand my post.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was not saying wizards are NERFED nor have I ever said that after the re-vamp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am merely stating that people should refrain from bragging to avoid attracting attention or possibly gettuing nerfed because people will styart complaining that wizards are too overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does that make sense.. I hope so. If it does not - who cares.<BR></DIV>

[brow27]

So which is it then?  Are we overpowered or underpowered?  It seems from most of the posts you make you think we are underpowered, and always ask what spell combinations and such people are using when they defeat difficult stuff.  On the other hand, you say not to post about how powerful we are because we'll get nerfed.  Which is it? <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brow27 wrote:<BR>So which is it then?  Are we overpowered or underpowered?  It seems from most of the posts you make you think we are underpowered, and always ask what spell combinations and such people are using when they defeat difficult stuff.  On the other hand, you say not to post about how powerful we are because we'll get nerfed.  <BR><BR>Which is it?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think wizards are ok - just could be realistically improved.</P> <P>The reason I do not think that people should brag is because the devs will read and say - "Oh, the wizards are happy and the class is perfect", it eludes a message that the class does not or could not use any tweaks.</P> <P>That is all.......</P> <P>The reason I like to ask what spell combos people are using is that maybe I can learn something new. Maybe soemone is using a spell in a new way that I had not considered.</P> <P>Also, by finding out what spell combos other people are using I can determine how their playstyle is. I personally focus on a more conservative playstyle and I rarely solo.</P> <P>I usually start off with splls to proc damage, slow, stun and some dots and then when the mob is at about 40% health I begin the HO's and large nukes.</P> <P><BR> </P> <p>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:04 AM</span>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheBailey wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hasn't your fire starting stopped yet, <A target=_blank href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=129510"><SPAN>Lady Uaelrea</SPAN></A>? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have become somewhat of a joke in the wizard community with your many started threads attempting to cause trouble.  In this time when faar isn't even around anymore, you manage to get your posts of hate locked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not post something with some thought out critizism, instead of just insulting everyone who don't fully agree with you?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have never attacked anyone directly as you do.</P> <P>I have not insulted anyone - I am making a recommendation to people that BRAG. But I was informed that SOE does ingame parses across the board to make determinations on who they think needs to be nerfed.</P> <P>The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class).</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <hr></blockquote>Now, Lady, we've clashed, and managed to put it behind us.But you have attacked people many times in the past, and called people many names. As have many people on this forum, MY SELF included. Lets not pretend you or I or anyone hasn't.If you feel that wizards aren't right, fine I respect that. But you could do much better at presenting yourself and why you feel this. Why not try and get people on your side, then fighting everyone that doesn't see things your way?

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is only a suggestion:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For you wizards that like to brag about killing super high level mobs or that brag about certain abilities - keep it to yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In case you did not know, SOE has a habit of nerfing abilities when STUPID people barg about them. They (SOE) usually feel that if someone is bragging it usually because said ability is over powered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IF YOU ARE INSANE AND ARE COMPELLED TO POST REPLIES - TO SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY - JUST SAY YOU NEED TO PRACTICE TO AVOID RUINING OUR CLASS ANYMORE .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Well, just so everyone here knows - I play on test because I like to play on test.  Also, if I think something is broken (even to my advantage) I bug it.  I am not going to put my head in the sand and ignore obvious problems. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing about playing on test, I am probably geared at or below the average level of a production wizard.  That is except for adept 3s (hmm maybe I should adept 3 my roots).  If I can kill 57 ^^^ mobs at 50 - any of you should be able to with the <STRONG>proper tactics</STRONG> (I posted to your other post).  In my opinion that is broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is broken is the resist rate of our root line vs Orange Heroic mobs. This would be a simple fix of giving roots a higher chance to be resisted vs orange and higher mobs (make em heroic only).   I think our roots are just fine vs yellow and lower mobs.  I cannot comment on the under 50 game.  How would this affect group play - I have no idea, I mostly solo.  Do groups rely on roots or tanks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would rather SOE take our advice on what to fix then to see a bunch of wizards soloing orange ^^^ heroic mobs and think they need to decrease our DPS.  Our dps is not the problem (I would like some more actually).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[stepha72]

<P>I'm not sure that it does make sence.   Just because we are happy we are going to get nerfed.  So you are saying SOE goes around reading the boards and says "They are happy lets nerf them".  </P> <P>I understand that is not exactly what you are saying.  You are saying we should not brag that some are soloing 51^^^.  Those people are few and far between.  I think as stated before SOE knows that not all wizards can do this.  Those with fabled gear and master spells yes they can do this.   </P> <P>People are not going around the boards bragging about this.  They are trying to show others that we are not nerfed as some are trying to say.  I think your post brings this more to SOE's attention than the few that are posting within a open thread.  Having a post in all caps brings this to the attention of others more than a couple of responses to a post. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Daga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote: <P>The reason I do not think that people should brag is because the devs will read and say - "Oh, the wizards are happy and the class is perfect", it eludes a message that the class does not or could not use any tweaks.</P> <P>That is all.......</P> <P>The reason I like to ask what spell combos people are using is that maybe I can learn something new. Maybe soemone is using a spell in a new way that I had not considered.</P> <P>Also, by finding out what spell combos other people are using I can determine how their playstyle is. I personally focus on a more conservative playstyle and I rarely solo.</P> <P>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <SPAN class=date_text>09-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:04 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>First, I truly doubt that SOE would read a few posts and consider all wizards happy,  If anything is happening, they are reading the constant moaning (especially when we got a significant boost), and thinking why do anything for these whiners.  Honestly, they gives us increased DPS, change roots (change not nerf), protoflame is improved, and everyone moans about it.  We need minor tweaks, not sweeping changes.  And I care less about who makes top dps, in a group with a warlock, they AOE, we DD, and the encounter goes down quick, so who cares.</P> <P>Vs. a group, I cast RoC.  Then I usually head for the lowest mob.  I start with Ice Comet, as if it resists, roots don't break (at least that I've seen).  That also stuns it.  Then I head for Ball of Flame.  high Damaging spell. If root breaks, then I truss the one I'm on, or I then head for Flamestrike.  Depending on what I'm taking, this usually means death to first mob.  Next mob then I open with Flamestrike/BoF.  After this, I usally head for Paralyze.  I usually wait on Paralyze for second mob as the stun component is life saving.  Then I truss again, start the nuke cycle.  </P> <P>Against a solo, I usually go for power conservation.  Truss.  Protoflame is next, I wait a few seconds til I see mob target protoflame, then I cast Piercing Icicle, followed by Immolation.  heat convulsion is next, then I start into Flamestrike, BoF, and back to the Immolations and stuff.  usually proto will hold agro entire fight til it dies, or is killed.</P> <P>Against ^^^, I have no tactics.  I play it by ear, as to whether root breaks, etc.  There is no set tactic I run to beat it.  Simply because the fight is unpredictable.  I've gone a battle against one never casting Ice Comet as 4 seconds was too long for the cast.  I've gone another where I casted Ice Comet multiple times.  It all depends on how you use your spells.  Where do you line up your stuns, your stifles.  Work your root and the ensuing snare.  </P> <P>Group tactics is differnt.  Usually I go for a Chillshield, and AoEs and baby nukes.  Save the big nukes for big mobs, and during those, only cast Ice Comet at 30%, use the others first.  </P> <P>Tactics is the name of the game.  Straight-out DPS is not.<BR></P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheBailey wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hasn't your fire starting stopped yet, <A target=_blank href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=129510"><SPAN>Lady Uaelrea</SPAN></A>? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have become somewhat of a joke in the wizard community with your many started threads attempting to cause trouble.  In this time when faar isn't even around anymore, you manage to get your posts of hate locked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not post something with some thought out critizism, instead of just insulting everyone who don't fully agree with you?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have never attacked anyone directly as you do.</P> <P>I have not insulted anyone - I am making a recommendation to people that BRAG. But I was informed that SOE does ingame parses across the board to make determinations on who they think needs to be nerfed.</P> <P>The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class).</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Now, Lady, we've clashed, and managed to put it behind us.<BR><BR>But you have attacked people many times in the past, and called people many names. As have many people on this forum, MY SELF included. Lets not pretend you or I or anyone hasn't.<BR><BR>If you feel that wizards aren't right, fine I respect that. But you could do much better at presenting yourself and why you feel this. Why not try and get people on your side, then fighting everyone that doesn't see things your way?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>We clashed but I never attacked you or insulted you initially.</P> <P>Also, I apologized to you and it would be nice if you said those things too.</P> <P>I do not think wizards are horrible at the present time but they could use some more tweaks.</P> <P>As for what goboy says - i don not think roots should be resisted more but instead anything that cons orange or red should really be off limits to anyone and these mobs should have more power and more hp. <BR></P>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <P>We clashed but I never attacked you or insulted you initially.</P> <P>Also, I apologized to you and it would be nice if you said those things too.</P> <P>I do not think wizards are horrible at the present time but they could use some more tweaks.</P> <P>As for what goboy says - i don not think roots should be resisted more but instead anything that cons orange or red should really be off limits to anyone and these mobs should have more power and more hp. <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>More power and hp might help - but I doubt it.  The mobs I was killing yesterday would still have died with a 15% increase in HPs.  Just increasing their power and HP could negatively impact groups that they are designed for.  If other classes are soloing these mobs, then the question needs to be raised is how?  Is this an easy change or an across the board change to fix them.  All I can say is how I as a wizard can solo them.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Daga]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As for what goboy says - i don not think roots should be resisted more but instead anything that cons orange or red should really be off limits to anyone and these mobs should have more power and more hp. <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Lady, the problem is, how can orange or red have more HPs?  They would have to have dynamic HP changes, as people that these are blue to, it would be difficult to kill.  So a level 55 is orange say to me.  But a 55, it is even con.  If it has more HP to a 50, that would have to be built in, and then it is more difficult to a 55.  That make sense?  That would have to be then, as soon as a 50 attacked a 55, it gets an HP/power boost.  That would be extremely difficult to program into the game.<BR>

[Zcenicx]

<P>FYI</P> <P>The only nerf SOE has given the Wizards (and Warlocks too) since release is that they changed Ring of Cold and Bony Grasp to not be unbreakable. I can not name a single other nerf to the Wizard line, and if anyone else can, please do so now or forever hold your peace.</P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> stepha72 wrote:<BR> <P>I'm not sure that it does make sence.   Just because we are happy we are going to get nerfed.  So you are saying SOE goes around reading the boards and says "They are happy lets nerf them".  </P> <P>I understand that is not exactly what you are saying.  You are saying we should not brag that some are soloing 51^^^.  Those people are few and far between.  I think as stated before SOE knows that not all wizards can do this.  Those with fabled gear and master spells yes they can do this.   </P> <P>People are not going around the boards bragging about this.  They are trying to show others that we are not nerfed as some are trying to say.  I think your post brings this more to SOE's attention than the few that are posting within a open thread.  Having a post in all caps brings this to the attention of others more than a couple of responses to a post. </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Ok.....all of you just listen to me and clear your minds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From my experience on these boards this is what I have concluded.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A class that brags (or makes statements to prove they are not nerfed as you say) usually starts to get attention from other classes. Soon the word gets out that so and so class can do this and (insert class here) can't. Then other classes start calling for wizards to get nerfed. You know this and it always seems to happen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remember the whole warlock and wizard issue from before re-vamp. Warlocks were demi-gods pre-revamp and now they are not compared to other classes. Wizards and Warlocks are more in tune with eachother in dps and performance but lower then other classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Making comments like 50 wizard can solo 58^^^ heroic just makes people envious and makes them upset and depressed and it gives the impression that wizards are showing off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes, I like out class alot </DIV> <DIV>Are we top of dps "NO" - do I care, not really</DIV> <DIV>Can wizards be improved more - Yes ( and this would be the BEST game out there).</DIV> <DIV>Am I happy - yes, but I could be happier.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is all....I really do not like arguing with anyone so let's be respectful of one another and keep the peace. No sense in getting worked up over this.</DIV>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zcenicx wrote:<BR> <P>FYI</P> <P>The only nerf SOE has given the Wizards (and Warlocks too) since release is that they changed Ring of Cold and Bony Grasp to not be unbreakable. I can not name a single other nerf to the Wizard line, and if anyone else can, please do so now or forever hold your peace.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ice Comet does less damage now then before the Changes.  Of course, mob HPs are down and other spells are up.  Overall our DPS is higher.</P> <P>Mana Harvesting spells are down conciderably.</P> <P>Spells were linked reducing chain nuke options.  Of course, so were everyone else's so this is not strictly a wizard nerf.</P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dagath wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As for what goboy says - i don not think roots should be resisted more but instead anything that cons orange or red should really be off limits to anyone and these mobs should have more power and more hp. <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Lady, the problem is, how can orange or red have more HPs?  They would have to have dynamic HP changes, as people that these are blue to, it would be difficult to kill.  So a level 55 is orange say to me.  But a 55, it is even con.  If it has more HP to a 50, that would have to be built in, and then it is more difficult to a 55.  That make sense?  That would have to be then, as soon as a 50 attacked a 55, it gets an HP/power boost.  That would be extremely difficult to program into the game.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>/agree..makes sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am unable to even imagine what coding or complex modifications need to be done to do this. I trust you know what  you speak of.</DIV>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AsheBailey wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hasn't your fire starting stopped yet, <A target=_blank href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=129510"><SPAN>Lady Uaelrea</SPAN></A>? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have become somewhat of a joke in the wizard community with your many started threads attempting to cause trouble.  In this time when faar isn't even around anymore, you manage to get your posts of hate locked.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not post something with some thought out critizism, instead of just insulting everyone who don't fully agree with you?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have never attacked anyone directly as you do.</P> <P>I have not insulted anyone - I am making a recommendation to people that BRAG. But I was informed that SOE does ingame parses across the board to make determinations on who they think needs to be nerfed.</P> <P>The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class).</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Now, Lady, we've clashed, and managed to put it behind us.<BR><BR>But you have attacked people many times in the past, and called people many names. As have many people on this forum, MY SELF included. Lets not pretend you or I or anyone hasn't.<BR><BR>If you feel that wizards aren't right, fine I respect that. But you could do much better at presenting yourself and why you feel this. Why not try and get people on your side, then fighting everyone that doesn't see things your way?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>We clashed but I never attacked you or insulted you initially.</P> <P>Also, I apologized to you and it would be nice if you said those things too.</P> <P>I do not think wizards are horrible at the present time but they could use some more tweaks.</P> <P>As for what goboy says - i don not think roots should be resisted more but instead anything that cons orange or red should really be off limits to anyone and these mobs should have more power and more hp. <BR></P> <hr></blockquote>If you think back, I sent you a PM saying that It was nice to see you making better posts that weren't filled with attacks, insults and unconstructive ranting, and that it was great to see an intelligent person trying to post better.

[stepha72]

<DIV>Well, lets just agree to disagree then. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zcenicx]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> goboy wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zcenicx wrote:<BR> <P>FYI</P> <P>The only nerf SOE has given the Wizards (and Warlocks too) since release is that they changed Ring of Cold and Bony Grasp to not be unbreakable. I can not name a single other nerf to the Wizard line, and if anyone else can, please do so now or forever hold your peace.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ice Comet does less damage now then before the Changes.  Of course, mob HPs are down and other spells are up.  Overall our DPS is higher.</P> <P>Mana Harvesting spells are down conciderably.</P> <P>Spells were linked reducing chain nuke options.  Of course, so were everyone else's so this is not strictly a wizard nerf.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Ice Comet hits for around 4,5-5k, my highest on a mob is ~6,3k, with Wizard and Conjuror debuffs only. What's the decrease? And that's with an Ad3.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Mana Harvesting spells... well, the personal ones are up since they are regens now. 14 per second and cancellable. Not a nerf. The cannibalizing one is to me untouched, but the Manastone is nerfed tho. Also, mana regen and int potions got some dev love, and we have some nice alchies in the guild. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Also, the mana regen char traits were changed to in-combat, so that's not a nerf either. Net mana recovery is up, not down.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>And for chain nuking... Well... Ice Comet, Ball of Flames, Ice Flame, Flamestrike, Paralyze, Piercing Icicles, Frostshield... they are all on different timers. If you find yourself in the rare opportunity that everything's recycling, use the AE DoT (cant remember the new name). Tho.. if you find yourself in that position, wait 1 second and recycling should be done on Flamestrike.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Any other tries?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Adara Frostborn</FONT></P>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zcenicx wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> goboy wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zcenicx wrote:<BR> <P>FYI</P> <P>The only nerf SOE has given the Wizards (and Warlocks too) since release is that they changed Ring of Cold and Bony Grasp to not be unbreakable. I can not name a single other nerf to the Wizard line, and if anyone else can, please do so now or forever hold your peace.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ice Comet does less damage now then before the Changes.  Of course, mob HPs are down and other spells are up.  Overall our DPS is higher.</P> <P>Mana Harvesting spells are down conciderably.</P> <P>Spells were linked reducing chain nuke options.  Of course, so were everyone else's so this is not strictly a wizard nerf.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Ice Comet hits for around 4,5-5k, my highest on a mob is ~6,3k, with Wizard and Conjuror debuffs only. What's the decrease? And that's with an Ad3.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Mana Harvesting spells... well, the personal ones are up since they are regens now. 14 per second and cancellable. Not a nerf. The cannibalizing one is to me untouched, but the Manastone is nerfed tho. Also, mana regen and int potions got some dev love, and we have some nice alchies in the guild. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Also, the mana regen char traits were changed to in-combat, so that's not a nerf either. Net mana recovery is up, not down.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>And for chain nuking... Well... Ice Comet, Ball of Flames, Ice Flame, Flamestrike, Paralyze, Piercing Icicles, Frostshield... they are all on different timers. If you find yourself in the rare opportunity that everything's recycling, use the AE DoT (cant remember the new name). Tho.. if you find yourself in that position, wait 1 second and recycling should be done on Flamestrike.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Any other tries?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=4>Adara Frostborn</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>One problem with being on test is that I get confused when some things were changed (we have had many iterations of spells). </P> <P>However, it seems to me that before the combat changes (this was weeks ago on test), Ice Comet ad 3 was 4800-5100 at 230ish intelligence.  Now, at 260ish int - Ice Comet is 2800-4800 (at work).  To me that is a nerf.  Now, do I disagree with it - not at all.</P> <P>It also seems that all the harvest spells were cut in half.  Also, by linking them - they reduced the ability to pump mana into others.  Again, that is a nerf.  However, it is also one I don't care about.  There is one wizard I know that was furious with the chagne.</P> <P>Just because you don't disagree with the changes does not make them nerfs.  Hell, I look at as balancing - I have no problems with any of our spell lineup.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Zcenicx]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=4>The tuning of the CU is at this time uninteresting, they've gone through and what we're talking about is Live pre- and post CU.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=4>I will not debate what happened in the tuning of the CU, since that was exactly what it was - tuning. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=4>Pre vs Post CU mana recovery is up, DD and AE damage is up, and chaining is still possible.</FONT></P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>And that is why I think you are a very knowledgable person Stave.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I usually always support what you say about anything regarding the class.</DIV>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote:<DIV>And that is why I think you are a very knowledgable person Stave.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I usually always support what you say about anything regarding the class.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I gotta say, these forums are just getting repetative. It's really hard to have a conversation when anyone makes claims about Sony hating wizards. For example, somone once said Sony has a wizard hating agenda. Really, think about it. If Sony really didn't like the wizard class, they would just get rid of it. Never mind the come back that people expect a class called wizard to be in the game. It doesn't look like Vanguard will have a class called wizard, it looks like it's called Mage, the generic term for magic users. Some people claim that because protoflame doesn't have a different look for the different qualities, it's proof Sony has it in for wizards. As far as that goes, I consider wizards to be the lowest end of the pet classes. Who cares if warlocks have a better looking pet/dot. Who cares if it has multiple of the mob. Does it still? I don't know honestly.Sony doesn't hate wizards. They might like warlocks a bit more because they are a new class, and people, not companies, tend to want to make thier new ideas appeal to players. It's just human nature. Also, no one every promised that wizards would always, no matter what, gear and spell quality aside, would be top DPS all the time, no matter what, end of story. I'm doing good, having fun, completing quests, getting loot, getting XP and most importantly enjoying myself. Oh, do I die sometimes? Yes. Do mobs resist my spells? Yes. Do I sometimes bit off more then I chew? Yes. There is something you should all consider. ALL video games are designed for you to "win". Part of the force driving people to play is that feeling of winning, or succeeding or growing. Unless you are just screwing around, any half decent player will eventually get what they want, level and win some good gear. Unlike real life, video games are meant to favor you, the player in terms of rewards. Some people just get thier reward faster then others. So really, how much do I need to come here and post and refute when people are not enjoying the game?

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>And that is why I think you are a very knowledgable person Stave.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I usually always support what you say about anything regarding the class.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>I gotta say, these forums are just getting repetative. It's really hard to have a conversation when anyone makes claims about Sony hating wizards. <BR><BR>For example, somone once said Sony has a wizard hating agenda. Really, think about it. If Sony really didn't like the wizard class, they would just get rid of it. Never mind the come back that people expect a class called wizard to be in the game. It doesn't look like Vanguard will have a class called wizard, it looks like it's called Mage, the generic term for magic users. <BR><BR>Some people claim that because protoflame doesn't have a different look for the different qualities, it's proof Sony has it in for wizards. As far as that goes, I consider wizards to be the lowest end of the pet classes. Who cares if warlocks have a better looking pet/dot. Who cares if it has multiple of the mob. Does it still? I don't know honestly.<BR><BR>Sony doesn't hate wizards. They might like warlocks a bit more because they are a new class, and people, not companies, tend to want to make thier new ideas appeal to players. It's just human nature. <BR><BR>Also, no one every promised that wizards would always, no matter what, gear and spell quality aside, would be top DPS all the time, no matter what, end of story. <BR><BR>I'm doing good, having fun, completing quests, getting loot, getting XP and most importantly enjoying myself. Oh, do I die sometimes? Yes. Do mobs resist my spells? Yes. Do I sometimes bit off more then I chew? Yes. <BR><BR>There is something you should all consider. ALL video games are designed for you to "win". Part of the force driving people to play is that feeling of winning, or succeeding or growing. Unless you are just screwing around, any half decent player will eventually get what they want, level and win some good gear. Unlike real life, video games are meant to favor you, the player in terms of rewards. Some people just get thier reward faster then others. <BR><BR>So really, how much do I need to come here and post and refute when people are not enjoying the game?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>/agree</DIV>

[scorpion noir]

<div></div>before the renwamp i used to nuke ( after root the mob) i let it off ( RoC ( when it used to be imbreakable for 36sec) ice comet immolation ball of flames etc etc now after a rooting the mob RoC aand the other also breakable 10 sec after i m dead because the mob does not appreciate my nuke. It is the way ?? a wizard in a group for heroic mobs can't not nuke ?? my tank has a master 1 taunt so  explain how can  i do my job if the mob always take me for target because i  cast too much because before the add on i could easily don t tell me that one or 2 or 3 breakables roots are better tahn a long imbreakable one because when i have to regen i dont see the advantage. and it's not the only nerf my invis it's awfull now increase slow rate decrease invis lvl to be see euuh excuse me it's not a improvement . <div></div><p>Message Edited by scorpion noir on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 PM</span>

[Beghard]

<div></div><a target="_blank" href="../view_profile?user.id=534"><span>Zcenicx</span></a> must be smoking some good [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] because our regen is gimped byond belife. I used to be able to engage an incounter indefinitly, now, it is finite. I just got done soling fire toad befor i logged of ok. Befor the revamp i also have soloed him several times. Fire is a very worthy aponent. Befor the revamp, when i beat him i was donwn to a sliver of health and power when he died on both ocasions. That was with the way better canni spells i hade then, at adept3 and the training one on the diferent time + our mana xfer spell and i have prismatic GEBs and a batlement of the mind item.........Tonight, it was the exact same, i was down to only a sliver of health and a sliver of power, but the fight its self was drasticly diferent. Now im hitting for a lot more with IC and BoI as well as Paralyz. Fire Toad as a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] load of HP, more than any lvl 50^^^ mob ive soloed post patch. WHen i got to the end it was guna be the end one way or the other. Befor the patch i could have just held him and waited for my power to come up but now it wont. The very last sequence was him with 1 hit 2 dead and me with not nuff power to cast any thing and not nuff health to canni. Luckly, i was able to cast paralyz and rock his [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. As usual, he droped tottal crap for loot.The point is, im a lvl higher, with more power, better spells, and "nerfed" roots and i still took him out. But it was alot eassyer back at lvl 50.Lady, your an idiot. If you didnt want wizards to atract attention because we sugest that were so good why did you come right out and make a post about it? Your retarted. That was absolutly counter productive for you.As for wizards, were actualy about the same in my opnion without regard to the changes in the mobs. Our soling ability is the exact same, alot herder to get  to any same given goal, but the abilitys are the exact same.........exactly........??!?!!!????? Con means nothing, i thought SoE was making it mean something. Geuss not. Sol Eye is still a hell hole tho >|(<div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beghard wrote:<BR> <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/view_profile?user.id=534" target=_blank><SPAN>Zcenicx</SPAN></A> must be smoking some good [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] because our regen is gimped byond belife. I used to be able to engage an incounter indefinitly, now, it is finite. I just got done soling fire toad befor i logged of ok. Befor the revamp i also have soloed him several times. Fire is a very worthy aponent. Befor the revamp, when i beat him i was donwn to a sliver of health and power when he died on both ocasions. That was with the way better canni spells i hade then, at adept3 and the training one on the diferent time + our mana xfer spell and i have prismatic GEBs and a batlement of the mind item.........<BR>Tonight, it was the exact same, i was down to only a sliver of health and a sliver of power, but the fight its self was drasticly diferent. Now im hitting for a lot more with IC and BoI as well as Paralyz. Fire Toad as a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] load of HP, more than any lvl 50^^^ mob ive soloed post patch. WHen i got to the end it was guna be the end one way or the other. Befor the patch i could have just held him and waited for my power to come up but now it wont. The very last sequence was him with 1 hit 2 dead and me with not nuff power to cast any thing and not nuff health to canni. Luckly, i was able to cast paralyz and rock his [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. As usual, he droped tottal crap for loot.<BR>The point is, im a lvl higher, with more power, better spells, and "nerfed" roots and i still took him out. But it was alot eassyer back at lvl 50.<BR><BR>Lady, your an idiot. If you didnt want wizards to atract attention because we sugest that were so good why did you come right out and make a post about it? Your retarted. That was absolutly counter productive for you.<BR><BR>As for wizards, were actualy about the same in my opnion without regard to the changes in the mobs. Our soling ability is the exact same, alot herder to get  to any same given goal, but the abilitys are the exact same.........exactly........??!?!!!?????<BR>Con means nothing, i thought SoE was making it mean something. Geuss not. Sol Eye is still a hell hole tho >|(<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You are one hateful person....I wish I could duel you and make you eat your ..........................................<BR>

[blynchehaun]

< I have never attacked anyone directly as you do. > Actually, that's an outright lie. Until the post was deleted by the mods, you had said to me directly that you wanted to spit on me. < The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class). > That statement is attacking Ashebailey personally...... <div></div>

[blynchehaun]

< However, it seems to me that before the combat changes (this was weeks ago on test), Ice Comet ad 3 was 4800-5100 at 230ish intelligence.  Now, at 260ish int - Ice Comet is 2800-4800 (at work).  To me that is a nerf.  Now, do I disagree with it - not at all. > Ice comet Adept 3 was 4800-5100 at 230 Int <b>and the mobs mitigated the damage</b>. They don't anymore (outright resist being a different thing). <div></div>

[Beghard]

i would destroy you biach <div></div>

[Falc618]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>This is only a suggestion:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For you wizards that like to brag about killing super high level mobs or that brag about certain abilities - keep it to yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In case you did not know, SOE has a habit of nerfing abilities when STUPID people barg about them. They (SOE) usually feel that if someone is bragging it usually because said ability is over powered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IF YOU ARE INSANE AND ARE COMPELLED TO POST REPLIES - TO SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY - JUST SAY YOU NEED TO PRACTICE TO AVOID RUINING OUR CLASS ANYMORE .</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks, </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>THANK YOU!!!!! Maybe these stupid [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]s will get the idea.

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blynchehaun wrote:<BR>< I have never attacked anyone directly as you do. ><BR><BR>Actually, that's an outright lie.<BR><BR>Until the post was deleted by the mods, you had said to me directly that you wanted to spit on me.<BR><BR>< The fact that you feel the need to attack me personally says alot about yourself (low class). ><BR><BR>That statement is attacking Ashebailey personally......<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>If I am attacked I will respond.<BR>

[blynchehaun]

< If I am attacked I will respond. > <b>Good </b>for you. Apparently with you not being able to tell the difference between a "complete disaster" (an earthquake, hurricane katrina) and something mildly annoying (to you: the combat change), being told to 'get some perspective' is an <b>attack</b>. I will continue to report your abuse when and where I see it (hence why the spitting post vanished......). Grow up. <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<P>:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>The fact that I annoy you and that you actually take time out of your so called life to report me only can provide me pleasure and joy.</P> <P>Get a hobby, go volunteer, I am doing it . After work I help with the Red Cross in coordinating the effort to locate children and match them up with loved ones.</P> <P>What have you done besides try to instigate others.</P> <P>I just want you to know that I have no idea what you are talking about when you keep mentioning a post about spitting.</P> <P>I think you are bitter and blynchehaun please get a life and stop harrassing me. </P> <P>If you feel a sense of accomplishment trying to get me banned - I have one word for you "Whatever".</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <P>:smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>The fact that I annoy you and that you actually take time out of your so called life to report me only can provide me pleasure and joy.</P> <P>Get a hobby, go volunteer, I am doing it . After work I help with the Red Cross in coordinating the effort to locate children and match them up with loved ones.</P> <P>What have you done besides try to instigate others.</P> <P>I just want you to know that I have no idea what you are talking about when you keep mentioning a post about spitting.</P> <P>I think you are bitter and blynchehaun please get a life and stop harrassing me.</P> <P>If you feel a sense of accomplishment trying to get me banned - I have one word for you "Whatever".</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I've lost all respect for you, I wish the ignore poster feature on this forum worked so I would never have to see another post by you.</DIV>

[Beghard]

<span><blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote:Im a stupeh <div></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[Zcenicx]

<P>I do not respond to personal attacks by someone that sounds more like a spoiled rotten 8-year old than a mature person.</P> <P> </P> <DIV>My points are made and I stand by them.</DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

Whatever

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zcenicx wrote:<BR> <P>I do not respond to personal attacks by someone that sounds more like a spoiled rotten 8-year old than a mature person.</P> <P> </P> <DIV>My points are made and I stand by them.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have no idea who you are and I have never directed anything to you - I guess you are jumping on the band wagon.</P> <P>As for Berghard and Bylewhatever you name is - you continually respond to my posts with derogatory remarks and I guess no one else notices because people just decide to jump on me when I defend myself.</P> <P>I do not care what you say or what you think.</P> <P>I will continue to post my opinions - as for Stave - I do not see why you would take sides with someone that loves to insult people and continually tells people they whine.</P> <P>All of you need to take a Klonopin and relax you are all too high strung and take things too personally.</P> <P>Life is too short to be so bitter.:smileywink:</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <P>I will continue to post my opinions - as for Stave - I do not see why you would take sides with someone that loves to insult people and continually tells people they whine.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm not taking thier sides, I'm just against so much of the way you are posting and attacking people. It doesn't matter if someone attacked you first, look at how you respond. You claim to be the better person, yet you have posted some of the meanest nasties replies on here.</P> <P>That's why I can't respect you anymore. Your just as bad as the people you point fingers at.<BR></P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR><BR> <P>I will continue to post my opinions - as for Stave - I do not see why you would take sides with someone that loves to insult people and continually tells people they whine.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm not taking thier sides, I'm just against so much of the way you are posting and attacking people. It doesn't matter if someone attacked you first, look at how you respond. You claim to be the better person, yet you have posted some of the meanest nasties replies on here.</P> <P>That's why I can't respect you anymore. Your just as bad as the people you point fingers at.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, it gets so frustrating when I am not addressing anyone or directing anything to anyone personally.</P> <P> </P> <P>I apologize if you feel I have been nasty to anyone. That is not my intention. It just appears that a few people on these forums make a hobby of pushing people's buttons.</P> <P><BR> </P>