Wizards - [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] with your complaining pls.

[Tom3]

<P><FONT size=4>Heya all, i've been hearing alot of complaints on these boards about the "significant nerf to the wizard class" - imho, this is not the case. Sure, a Warlock will be slightly (slightly) more useful in a group than us. But i on average have been recieving alot of group invites all around, even when there are other Warlocks up for grabs so pls dont tell me Warlocks are now the No.1 dps because we are a completely different class and cannot be compared. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4>Now, to those peeps that insist that we have not recieved any dmg increase atall and that we "got hit with the nerf bat"... this is what i say to you:</FONT></P> <P>Group of 3, 1 arrow down group of mobs - RoC, Icy wind, inferno (get near enuf), reaplly RoC if needed, target individuals and finish off with Flamestrike - get this spell adept III if u dont already</P> <P>Singles ( no arrows up or down) - ... Ice comet (get this adept III and no probs) followed by paralyze - dead mob.</P> <P>level 51 ^^^ (what i can do consistantly - they tricky, but once you get into a rythmn not too bad) - RoC, wait 10sec, Ice comet, if root break paralyze ... wait... RoC, Ice comet... if root break paralyze ... wait ... RoC, Ice comet .................. You get the idea.</P> <P>Now, to all those who say Wizards are nerfed... you either have [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] gear, or need to upgrade your spells. Im not the richest or best equiped Wizard - but with 283 INT ( and nearly all spells (over 40) Adept III ), at level 50, i can solo level 50 ^^^'s ... i wouldnt say that was bad (btw yes it does take about 4min to kill, but 1% a pop (with vitality)).</P> <P>And dont get me wrong im not suggesting a nerf to wizards... ATALL, like every other class we have our faults, but by no means are we nerfed compare to some of the other classes after re - vamp.</P> <P>Razorth 50 Wizard.</P>

[dadowar]

<P>Good post,  I agree totally.  Develop a strategy, improve your gear, boost your Int, and watch the mobs die. </P> <P>BTW, my int is 359 - HIghest Ice Comet Adept III hit was - 5903. </P> <P>Dadowar</P> <P>51 Wizard</P> <P>Crushbone</P>

[Solba]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dadowar wrote:<BR> <P>BTW, my int is 359 - </P> <P>Dadowar</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>How did you get it that high please? :smileyhappy:<BR> <p>Message Edited by Solbabe on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 AM</span>

[gizmo]

<P>Sry but this is [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] dmg is not everything !!!! You can have the highest dmg in this game but when you have no defens skills the mobs kills you faster denn you can say Hello !!! The nerf of the Ring of Cold is the Problem. 20 !!! seconds recast timer ?? What is that ? Kind of joke ? Ring of Cold is the only defens spell we have and they set is to 20 seconds. Sry this is more then bull[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  When SOE is setting the recast timer to 20 seconds they hat to lower the resist rate of the roots !!! </P> <P>Oh yes i have a 5000 Nuke but sry i cannot cast it because the mobs is on me and i have no chance to root him ore something else.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>DMG is not the key it is defens !!! Wizzards NEED more defens skills. Other classes had defens skills. Look at a Necro. A Necro is the strongest Class ingame stronger then a Wizzard !!! He can kill solo LVL 54 ^^^^ Mobs with his pet. </SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by gizmo79 on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 PM</span>

[blynchehaun]

< Ring of Cold is the only defens spell we have and they set is to 20 seconds. > Man, you suck...... Stuns, stifles, other Roots. We have more than *one* defens<b>E</b> spell. <div></div>

[gizmo]

<P>Ahh ok so tell me what you are doing if there are comming 3 Mobs you cast the Ring of cold and 2 resits it ?</P> <P>btw they neferd the stiffel too.....</P><p>Message Edited by gizmo79 on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:47 PM</span>

[blynchehaun]

< Ahh ok so tell me what you are doing if there are comming 3 Mobs you cast the Ring of cold and 2 resits it ? > First off, if you can't handle 3 mobs, <b>don't attack 3 mobs</b>. Secondly, Target one of the incoming ones, Stun, nuke, nuke, Stifle, nuke til dead. Then focus on the second one. Ring of Cold will probably have refreshed by then, so recast it, and back off. Somehow, at lvl 38, I've managed to survive <b>without</b> Ring of Cold, and I routinely kill off groups of 4 blue mobs. and groups of 3 yellow. Go learn how to play, and don't whine if you don't know how to use anything other than a Root...... <div></div>

[gizmo]

<P>Ahh, so why CAN other classes handel 3 mobs with no problem ??????</P> <P>You are talking about blue ore gray mobs right ?? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Do this what you say with <FONT color=#ffffff>white mobs and you will die in 10 seconds.</FONT></P> <P>BTW what you are doing when the Ring of Cold resists ??? 60 % of the Root / Stun speels ressits on the mobs!!</P> <DIV>Ohhh you are lvl 38 ??? Go and lvl your char to lvl 50 and play with the big mobs and you will see what i mean.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text>You realy thing a lvl 50 Mob is so easy as you say ?? ROFL !!</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Secondly, Target one of the incoming ones, Stun, nuke, nuke, Stifle, nuke til dead....... ROFL in your dreams......</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>I tell you what happens if you do this on a withe mob in Sinkin Sands "Stun, nuke, interrupt, interrupt, you are dead !!!"</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text>Why ? because the stun only has a very short duration 3 Seconds i thing and after the stun you have a root when this resits you have no chance anyway because the mob is on you and interrupts you !!!</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by gizmo79 on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:17 PM</span>

[blynchehaun]

< You are talking about blue ore gray mobs right ?? > Reading comprehension does not appear to be your strongpoint: "Somehow, at lvl 38, I've managed to survive <b>without</b> Ring of Cold, and I routinely kill off groups of 4 blue mobs. and groups of 3 yellow." There is more to the game than lvl 50. And since there are <b>several</b> wizards posting on this forum about how they can solo lvl 51^^^ (which would be white or yellow to them), then clearly <b>you</b> are the problem, not the <b>same spell that everyone else of your level </b>has. Instead of whining about how crap <b>you</b> are, why don't you ask the <b>capable </b>wizzies out there how they do what they do?

[Tar~Palantir]

<P>This thread has only incited anger instead oa quelling it.</P> <P>Saying that our warlock counterpart is more useful in a group doesn't help whether it is true or not.</P>

[gizmo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR>There is more to the game than lvl 50.<BR><BR><BR>And since there are <B>several</B> wizards posting on this forum about how they can solo lvl 51^^^ (which would be white or yellow to them), then clearly <B>you</B> are the problem, not the <B>same spell that everyone else of your level </B>has.<BR><BR><BR>Instead of whining about how crap <B>you</B> are, why don't you ask the <B>capable </B>wizzies out there how they do what they do?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL that is the best joke i ever heard ! LVL 51 ^^^ SOLO ? ROFL.  Show me 1 Wizzard who can solo the Gigants at the Sinking sands Dock´s they are LVL 49 ^^^. Please thing bevor you write boy !!! Have you ever heard something about meele Mob´s and caster Mobs ? No dont thing so. The Sand Gigangs at the docks for example casts nukes and is a meele mob. He will kill a Wizzard in about 10 seconds !!! Hmm....<BR> <DIV>90 % of the Mobs in Sinking Sands and in the "normal" Game Zones like Ferrot do Castes and Attack. Ok , there is one mob the Icebear in Everfrost he is a meele mob he is X2 and i can kill him solo. Ooops sorry im OVERPOWERD !!! ROFL !!</DIV>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gizmo79 wrote:<BR> <P>Ahh ok so tell me what you are doing if there are comming 3 Mobs you cast the Ring of cold and 2 resits it ?</P> <P>btw they neferd the stiffel too.....</P> <P>Message Edited by gizmo79 on <SPAN class=date_text>09-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:47 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>THAT IS THE DAGBURN RISK.  Or do you want a vanilla game with no risk that you might die?</P> <P>And there is a better method then trying to root an encounter on engage - use protoflame.  Most of the time, all of the mobs will end up gang piling protoflame.  I can then use ROC and truss any that resist ROC.  Then pick em off one by one.</P> <P>Now, at lower levels I have no idea.  Seems we get protoflame and ROC late in the game.</P> <P>In sinking sands, I can kill everything so far except ^^^ mobs.  ^^ mobs are problematic, but very doable.  This morning I was lucky enough to notice Sweep the Stomper up (something like that).  A named 49 ^^ heroic.  He almost killed me, but in the end 2 roots is more then enough to keep a mob busy.  Yes, I do stack both truss and roc on some mobs - if one breaks the other usually holds.  It is all about tactics - I enjoy this far more then the old ROC method that had zero risk.</P> <P>My self buffed intelligence is 261.</P> <p>Message Edited by goboy on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:31 AM</span>

[stepha72]

<P>Actually I was totally surprised myself when I ran by someone yesterday and saw them soloing a named level 49^^. I was so impressed I asked them how they were doing it.  She said simple.   Ring of cold   wait till near end of root hit with ice comet.  Ring of cold....wait till near end of root Ice Comet.  Rinse and repeat. </P> <P>Like other posters have said we have truss, enfeeblement and last resort we can mezz.  Yes we get stunned but it keeps you from dying til you can get ring of cold back.</P> <P>I myself have started to take on creatures that I thought impossible before.  I'm not ready for 50^^^ but I am taking on stuff that I never thought I could do without a tank.  Plus with a tank as a group we can take on harder stuff than we though because of ring of cold.  Hit a group with ring of cold.  Then pulls the one that resisited or just one of the frozen ones.  We kill it then move on to the next one.  The duration of that spell is 50 seconds.  If you take them on one by one the spell does not break.  At least I have not seen it break.  This is a great little spell that enables you to take on creatures you never though possible.  </P> <P>I for one am not yet brave enough to take on a 50^^^ but others might be.  </P> <P> </P>

[blynchehaun]

Gizmo79: Perhaps if you'd care to read the forums, you'd get yourself a clue. For example, Robsco posts in <A HREF="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=15669" target=_blank>this thread</a>: "To give you a example tonight I killed a 51^^^ Named StoneHammer, pulled Prod and stomp with a blue add at the same time.... those are 2 49^^ and went into Pillar of Flame and killed a 58^^^ with a blue add near the entrance of course since im chicken." < Please thing bevor you write boy !!! > I already did. It would a pleasant change of pace if *you* did. There are a multitude of posts stating things similar to Robsco. But you'd know that if you bothered to pay attention.....

[suroktheslayer5]

<div></div><div></div><div></div>The way I'm leveling right now is by soloing 47 48 ^^^ tarantulas. I killed a 50^^^ giant before though more trouble than it's worth atm. How do I do it? RoC Ice comet Paralysze Ball of ins/Truss if root broke vital harvest, esstential intromission and manastone to get power back Immolation Flamestrike Reapply RoC and layer with Truss Lather Rinse Repeat Not too hard folks but it does require patience and a bit more skill than just casting one spell and hoping you'll win. I have a self buffed 236 int, no fabled gear but I do have 6 adept 3 spells. So go and use a brain cell or 2 and stop <span></span><img src="http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b248/elwino/400027779.jpg"> Surok lv 51 wiz <div></div><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p><span class="date_text"></span><span class="time_text"> </span></p><p>Message Edited by suroktheslayer5 on <span class=date_text>09-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 AM</span>

[flyshigh]

Have to strongly aggree with tom333, we ARE better, and yes I'm tired of all the whining out there , clearly there are alot of crap wizzards out there, at lvl 50 i can easily solo a grp of sabertooths in PoF. Also soloed a giant lvl 56^^^, various named mobs in SS , with the exception of that named tarantula. So pls if you cant solo a grp of 3  a few lvls higher than you, its not yr class , its cause you suck and need more practice. If theres any doubt , I'm on splitpaw, Hujul(51 wiz) <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gizmo79 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR>There is more to the game than lvl 50.<BR><BR><BR>And since there are <B>several</B> wizards posting on this forum about how they can solo lvl 51^^^ (which would be white or yellow to them), then clearly <B>you</B> are the problem, not the <B>same spell that everyone else of your level </B>has.<BR><BR><BR>Instead of whining about how crap <B>you</B> are, why don't you ask the <B>capable </B>wizzies out there how they do what they do?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL that is the best joke i ever heard ! LVL 51 ^^^ SOLO ? ROFL.  Show me 1 Wizzard who can solo the Gigants at the Sinking sands Dock´s they are LVL 49 ^^^. Please thing bevor you write boy !!! Have you ever heard something about meele Mob´s and caster Mobs ? No dont thing so. The Sand Gigangs at the docks for example casts nukes and is a meele mob. He will kill a Wizzard in about 10 seconds !!! Hmm....<BR> <DIV>90 % of the Mobs in Sinking Sands and in the "normal" Game Zones like Ferrot do Castes and Attack. Ok , there is one mob the Icebear in Everfrost he is a meele mob he is X2 and i can kill him solo. Ooops sorry im OVERPOWERD !!! ROFL !!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I have to agree, I used the rinse and repeat with one of them - the problem is our roots are very unpredictable and mine are both ad3. The giants move to fast and paralyze does not last long enough to shoot off another root- sometimes I have to overlap roots - but die non the less.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can duo these but again roots not stable.<BR></DIV>

[Jadr]

<span><blockquote><hr>flyshigh wrote:Have to strongly aggree with tom333, we ARE better, and yes I'm tired of all the whining out there , clearly there are alot of crap wizzards out there, at lvl 50 i can easily solo a grp of sabertooths in PoF. Also soloed a giant lvl 56^^^, various named mobs in SS , with the exception of that named tarantula. So pls if you cant solo a grp of 3  a few lvls higher than you, its not yr class , its cause you suck and need more practice. If theres any doubt , I'm on splitpaw, Hujul(51 wiz) <div></div><hr></blockquote>You do realise that's going to be nerfed right?</span><div></div>

[Cobramaci]

<DIV>Don't you just love people starting threads blasting people for complaining, how many wizards levelled to 50, only to choose another main ? Then they have the gall to come here and attack people for being concerned with the class they have chosen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tom, its easy to spout words out, plenty of us including myself have parsed wizards doing less damage per second than other more utility based classes, i couldn't give a rat's [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] you can solo the almighty tarantula epic X 25, the point is when a bruiser can outdps a wizard on single target dps, something is not balanced, may well be post 50 with ice comet you are getting decent single target dps, before that, its not that great.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I won't even mention conjuror's with air pet or assassin/rangers.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizard/warlock dps should be head and shoulders above all else, we have the least utility, least mitigation, our business is dps, when we don't excell in it, then there is a problem.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SoE has pointed out clearly the DPS charts, we are meant to be top, its logical, its not logical for bruiser to out do us, nor for conjuror/necro, nor assassin/ranger.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More testing needs to be done across all levels, no good balancing raid buffed, fabled gear, top lvl players in test and leave the majority of players at low lvls out of wack.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[tass]

well i dont know about u all but i solo mobs with 6 maby 7 enemy, if there 3 up arrows, and green blue, and sometimes my own lv. If they have 2 aroows down then its more like 4 or 5. but wizards r deadly. Use ur spells for close range attack, dont be a cheapscate, upgrade ur armour to legendary and go for strength, and int. My 38 wizard has 94 strength and he takes the hits soloing. add dots and running in circles with nukes. everything dies. <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<P>Well, those of you that can solo heroics good for you - but don't say it is easy - it's not and not worth it. There are few and far between.</P> <P> </P> <P>A little FYI for those of you that are a bit dense and are not aware of SOE history (I realize you are the <15 yo grp).</P> <P>IF YOU BRAG AND SAY THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG AND THAT YOUR CLASS CAN DO THIS AND THAT - YOU WILL MOST LIKELY ILLICIT A SOE DEV TO LOOK AT THE ABILITIES YOU SPEAK OF AND IT WILL GET NERFED.</P> <P>I SUGGEST THAT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SOLO AN EPIC OR 10 HEROICS AT A TIME - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF AND DON'T POST.</P> <P>OR IF YOU SEE SOMEONE SAY - (INSERT CLASS  HERE) CAN'T DO THIS OR THAT - YOUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE YOU NEED TO PRACTICE AND SEND THE PERSON A PERSONAL E-MAIL WITH YOUR STRATEGY IF YOU WISH.</P> <P>SO DON'T GET US NERFED.</P> <P>THE ABOVE ADVICE SHOULD BE USED FOR ALL CLASSES. DO NOT BRAG ABOUT CERTAIN ABILITIES AND JUST FOSU ON THE ONES THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT. </P> <p>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:08 AM</span>

[blynchehaun]

< OR IF YOU SEE SOMEONE SAY - (INSERT CLASS  HERE) CAN'T DO THIS OR THAT - YOUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE YOU NEED TO PRACTICE AND SEND THE PERSON A PERSONAL E-MAIL WITH YOUR STRATEGY IF YOU WISH. > 2 points. First off, there are those like Gizmo and others who believe that they are playing the class <b>well</b>, and any response of 'you need to practice' will be ignored. Secondly, whether you talk about taking down high-end critters or not, SOE's primary source of data will be the game engine. There is a limited number of 58^^^ mobs in the world. The expansion has been out 5 full days. SOE can will have a database record of "uber giant of death, 58^^^ killed". This <b>should</b> immediately raise a red flag to the team. When they investigate further (which I'm sure takes mere minutes), they will notice that only a singe lvl 51 (or whatever) Wizzie was involved. Chat on the boards is not going to be the primary source of info. < SO DON'T GET US NERFED. > So.... Wizzies being overpowered is a <b>good</b> thing? No, I don't think so.... <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Do you really think we are overpowered?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please don't tell me that....if so, Necros must be gods.</DIV>

[Darien al'Staff]

We are OVERPOWERED?!!?!?! You all MUST be smoking crack.  *shakes his head*  overpowered my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  Look at BRUISERS, Necros and Conjuerers then come back and tell me about overpowered.  Overpowered...hah. <div></div>

[blynchehaun]

So a lvl 51 [random charactor class] soloing a lvl 58^^^ <b>isn't</b> overpowered in your book? <div></div>

[Darien al'Staff]

Considering I've seen a bruiser do it, a templar do it, and a have heard of a couple other classes doing it?  no.  It takes considerable gear to be able to do this.  Sorry. Your arguments have started to become totally irrational in my opinion.  At first I thought you were simply supporting your argument as you saw it, now I really don't know.  You're calling for a NERF on us?!?!  Pray tell, WHAT should they nerf?  Especially considering the wizard community is split about 50/50 on the issue that we're UNDERpowered!  GO read the bruiser forums.  Hell, go read the necro and conj. forums!  Overpowered my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  <div></div>

[blynchehaun]

< Your arguments have started to become totally irrational in my opinion. > Feel free to point out the flaw in my logic then. SOE have stated that solo players should only be able to take yellow and lower solo mobs. A 58^^^ is a group mob. A 58^^^ is high Orange (if not Red, but I don't want to assume that) to a lvl 51. A lvl 51 [any class you like] <b>soloing</b> a <b>orange group</b> mob is <b>overpowered</b>, according to wot SOE have said. Given that the people whining about Wizzies being under-powered are wrong, I'm not too concerned about their complaints. Also, I'm not going to bother asking for where you get this made-up '50/50 split' idea. Regarding being underpowered: I was lv 37.9 Sat morning. Over the course of the weekend, I spent maybe 12 hours playing total. A good chunk of that was tradeskilling, or helping my guild with a heritage. As of Sunday night, I'm lvl 40.64. That's the fastest I've *ever* leveled, and I died at least 20-25 times this weekend. You can't put that down to double xp. Typically I'd only gain 1 lvl over the course of a weekend, <b>if</b> even that much. <div></div>

[Jadr]

They went on and on about how group mobs should never be able to be soloed, anyone who thinks there not going to nerf this to oblivion is way above being an optimist. <div></div>

[Nitefl]

<DIV> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gizmo79 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR>There is more to the game than lvl 50.<BR><BR><BR>And since there are <B>several</B> wizards posting on this forum about how they can solo lvl 51^^^ (which would be white or yellow to them), then clearly <B>you</B> are the problem, not the <B>same spell that everyone else of your level </B>has.<BR><BR><BR>Instead of whining about how crap <B>you</B> are, why don't you ask the <B>capable </B>wizzies out there how they do what they do?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL that is the best joke i ever heard ! LVL 51 ^^^ SOLO ? ROFL.  Show me 1 Wizzard who can solo the Gigants at the Sinking sands Dock´s they are LVL 49 ^^^. Please thing bevor you write boy !!! Have you ever heard something about meele Mob´s and caster Mobs ? No dont thing so. The Sand Gigangs at the docks for example casts nukes and is a meele mob. He will kill a Wizzard in about 10 seconds !!! Hmm....<BR> <DIV>90 % of the Mobs in Sinking Sands and in the "normal" Game Zones like Ferrot do Castes and Attack. Ok , there is one mob the Icebear in Everfrost he is a meele mob he is X2 and i can kill him solo. Ooops sorry im OVERPOWERD !!! ROFL !!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Make a toon on Najena and watch me solo 51^^^ or a heroic group of 54. I hate all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ty wizards making us look bad. Learn to play your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] class.</DIV>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darien al'Staff wrote:<BR>Considering I've seen a bruiser do it, a templar do it, and a have heard of a couple other classes doing it?  no. <BR><BR><BR><BR>It takes considerable gear to be able to do this.  Sorry.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Your arguments have started to become totally irrational in my opinion.  At first I thought you were simply supporting your argument as you saw it, now I really don't know.  You're calling for a NERF on us?!?!  Pray tell, WHAT should they nerf?  Especially considering the wizard community is split about 50/50 on the issue that we're UNDERpowered!  GO read the bruiser forums.  Hell, go read the necro and conj. forums! <BR><BR>Overpowered my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>What is considerable gear?  My gear is a mix of drops (tundra) and quested.  My best piece is the Robe of the Invoker.  I have a hex doll and an int ring.  I have no raid gear.  I do have a mix of adept 3 spells - basically any I want since I am a 50 sage.  My intelligence is 261.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Saying that, I tried a test yesterday.  I attempted to solo a 57 ^^^ in pillar of flame.  The first time I tried this using truss, ice comet, paralyze, and that mana spell that stuns (ok, I have a bad memory) - all adept 3 except the harvest.  The outcome - a long fight that I won with 10% mana.  I would say an orange mob 7 levels higher should probably resist more of my spells.  I tried a few more times -  was about 50-50.  The bottom line, I died when truss was resisted - I lived if it was not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It all comes down to tactics and learning how to be efficient.  So is it better to stick our heads in the sand and ask for them to ignore us?  I could care less if they nerf my ability to solo orange heroic mobs - as long as I still have a chance vs white and yellows.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, I play on test.  I believe we are one patch behind live (don't get me started on that rant), so it is possible they made changes to live over the weekend that would make the test I ran yesterday invalid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by goboy on <span class=date_text>09-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:25 AM</span>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blynchehaun wrote:<BR>So a lvl 51 [random charactor class] soloing a lvl 58^^^ <B>isn't</B> overpowered in your book?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>yes.....but I honsetly doubt ity was  a wizard.</P> <P>and if it was - I am sure any other class can do it as well.</P> <P>it must have been a long fight and boring - to recast roots every other spell.</P> <P>not a good way to spend your time - or get exp - or loot.</P> <P> </P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Niteflyx wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> gizmo79 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR>There is more to the game than lvl 50.<BR><BR><BR>And since there are <B>several</B> wizards posting on this forum about how they can solo lvl 51^^^ (which would be white or yellow to them), then clearly <B>you</B> are the problem, not the <B>same spell that everyone else of your level </B>has.<BR><BR><BR>Instead of whining about how crap <B>you</B> are, why don't you ask the <B>capable </B>wizzies out there how they do what they do?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL that is the best joke i ever heard ! LVL 51 ^^^ SOLO ? ROFL.  Show me 1 Wizzard who can solo the Gigants at the Sinking sands Dock´s they are LVL 49 ^^^. Please thing bevor you write boy !!! Have you ever heard something about meele Mob´s and caster Mobs ? No dont thing so. The Sand Gigangs at the docks for example casts nukes and is a meele mob. He will kill a Wizzard in about 10 seconds !!! Hmm....<BR> <DIV>90 % of the Mobs in Sinking Sands and in the "normal" Game Zones like Ferrot do Castes and Attack. Ok , there is one mob the Icebear in Everfrost he is a meele mob he is X2 and i can kill him solo. Ooops sorry im OVERPOWERD !!! ROFL !!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Make a toon on Najena and watch me solo 51^^^ or a heroic group of 54. I hate all the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ty wizards making us look bad. Learn to play your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] class.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>51^^^ can be soloed - but dangerous.</P> <P>Heroic group of 4 - I would be scared to imagine what would happen if your RoC was resisted.</P> <P>I guess it is possible but risky - I would not like to mess around with groups that high level.</P> <P>Single heroics - yes but only yellow and below. Orange and Red heroics should not be soloable. </P> <P>I do think they need to make some mobs more difficult - like a 58^^^ should not be soloable by anyone and should require at least 3 people or full group.<BR></P> <DIV>Just my opinion.</DIV>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <P>51^^^ can be soloed - but dangerous.</P> <P>Heroic group of 4 - I would be scared to imagine what would happen if your RoC was resisted.</P> <P>I guess it is possible but risky - I would not like to mess around with groups that high level.</P> <P>Single heroics - yes but only yellow and below. Orange and Red heroics should not be soloable. </P> <P>I do think they need to make some mobs more difficult - like a 58^^^ should not be soloable by anyone and should require at least 3 people or full group.<BR></P> <DIV>Just my opinion.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heroic groups of 4 are no real problem since most of them are soloable mobs grouped together.  If one resists root - truss em.  If 2 resist roc - run.</P> <P>For wizards only, one way to fix soloing orange heroics would be to increase root resist rate depending on how high above you the mob is.  Root is all that is keeping us alive.  Of course, they could screw the pooch and mess root resists up across the board.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> goboy wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <P>51^^^ can be soloed - but dangerous.</P> <P>Heroic group of 4 - I would be scared to imagine what would happen if your RoC was resisted.</P> <P>I guess it is possible but risky - I would not like to mess around with groups that high level.</P> <P>Single heroics - yes but only yellow and below. Orange and Red heroics should not be soloable. </P> <P>I do think they need to make some mobs more difficult - like a 58^^^ should not be soloable by anyone and should require at least 3 people or full group.<BR></P> <DIV>Just my opinion.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Heroic groups of 4 are no real problem since most of them are soloable mobs grouped together.  If one resists root - truss em.  If 2 resist roc - run.</P> <P>For wizards only, one way to fix soloing orange heroics would be to increase root resist rate depending on how high above you the mob is.  Root is all that is keeping us alive.  Of course, they could screw the pooch and mess root resists up across the board.</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Ok..that is what I do.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for verifying.<BR></DIV>

[blynchehaun]

< one way to fix soloing orange heroics would be to increase root resist rate depending on how high above you the mob is. > If they have a method of increasing the mitigation of a mob dependent on the level difference between ye, then it would stand to reason that they could do the same to resists. Maybe not to *just* Root. The issue then becomes: how much extra resistance makes soloing impossible, but grouping still viable? <div></div>