My impressions on Wizards post Combat Revamp. (Postive post)

[wrave]

<DIV>Before the nay sayers try to discredit me. I have been level 50 for months now as a wizard and am in the top raiding guild on Oggok. (Guild: Nerfed)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I keep seeing the doomsayers claim we are nerfed. Honestly, from Pre-Combat Change to now, We are awsome!. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.) I do enjoy the way roots have changed.</DIV> <DIV>2.) I enjoy seeing my int up my damage.</DIV> <DIV>3.) I can do real damage now. (To the point that killing level 54 Heroics from one ups to triple ups are in my power)</DIV> <DIV>4.) Down time is not nearly what everyone is making it out to be.</DIV> <DIV>5.) The idealism behind "The Glass Cannon" has come full force, and I fully imbrace it. (IE: We don't take a hit very well, but we sure do give one)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Over all I am very very pleased with this change. I'm no longer a mana battery in raids. I am looked at as a big time damage dealer and I am able to perform as one. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just a snipit of my over all feelings. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the rest of the guys that claim it was a nerf. /Flame ON!!11!!one!!one!11</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wraven</DIV> <DIV>50th Wizard of Nerfed</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ck]

<div></div>I couldn't agree more.  I am soloing just as well if not better then before.  And combat just feels alot more fun now, solo and grouped.  If this is us nerfed, then I guess I love us this way.Xialya Cker51 wizardToxxulia Server<span class="field_name_small"></span><div></div>

[tass]

ya i enjoy all my spells. including ball of flames adept 3, hitting 4 digits never felt so good. But u still have to keep a control of how u use them , otherwise the bobs will rush u. personally i like to cast my ice sheild on the tank to let him get a good bit of hp quick so i can use my dots and nukes safley. <div></div>

[Noctide]

Took me two full days to relearn all my new spells and how to use them.  Most fun I have ever had as a wizard in EQ2 is now.  We can solo very effectively and efficiently, and are fantastic in groups now.  Get your INT up, get all spells updated as quick as possible to adept 3, it makes a huge difference now.  Get Evoc and Subju gear if you can.  Wizards are now Wizards, enjoy it and stay to play!

[Telcontari71]

<DIV>I am really enjoying this comabat upgrade.  I can do things that I could not do before.  My DPS is good, and I can solo quite effecitvely.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here is a combat that I tried for fun.   54 x 4 Normal Mobs against L51 Wizard.     Power Pool About 3800,  INT 250.   Most T5 Legendary Rares or Quested Items.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Spells:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ring of Cold (Master I)</DIV> <DIV>Ice Flames (Adept III)</DIV> <DIV>Ice Comet (Adept III)</DIV> <DIV>Paralyze (Adept I)</DIV> <DIV>Ball of Flames (Adept III)</DIV> <DIV>Ball of Incineration (Adept I)</DIV> <DIV>Flame Stike  (Adept I)</DIV> <DIV>Frostshield (Master I)</DIV> <DIV>Piercing Icicles (Adept III)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Strategy,  Ring on Cold,  burn one mob quick,  Truss if RoC breaks,  Then, recast Ring of Cold and repeat on a then next mob.  Notice, that this was done using all DD spells, no AE.  AE would have a chance to break multiple roots and get more aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Attack            Dmg       Dmg%   DPS    Hit    Miss   Hit%   AvgH<BR>Healed yourself        294         13.36     6                  49<BR>Frost spikes           683  2.80%    683     1                 683<BR>(cold)<BR>Flamestrike            864  3.60%    432     2                 432<BR>(heat)<BR>Ball of flames         977  4.00%    977     1                 977<BR>(heat)<BR>Paralyze (heat)      1,018  4.20%   1018     1                1018<BR>Piercing icicles     1,148  4.70%  11.37    22      1 95.70%    52<BR>(cold)<BR>Immolation (heat)    1,571  6.50%   23.1    11                 143<BR>Ball of              6,027 24.90%  82.56     5                1205<BR>incineration<BR>(heat)<BR>Ice comet (cold)    11,939 49.30%  234.1     3                3980<BR>Total:              24,227 100.00 192.28    46      1 97.90%   527<BR></DIV> <DIV>                                                                   <BR>A blades guard x 4 - Damage taken :                               <BR>24,227 (192.28 / Sec)<BR>Attack            Dmg       Dmg%   DPS    Hit    Miss   Hit%   AvgH<BR>Assault (crush)        450 32.10%    225     2                 225<BR>Crushing               951 67.90%  36.58     6      5 54.50%   158<BR>Total:               1,401 100.00  53.88     8      5 61.50%   175<BR></DIV> <DIV>(Sorry  SOE Forum does not support tables)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><A href="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/EQ2_000012.jpg" target=_blank><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/th_EQ2_000012.jpg"></A>  <A href="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/EQ2_000010.jpg" target=_blank><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/th_EQ2_000010.jpg"></A>  <A href="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/EQ2_000014.jpg" target=_blank><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/th_EQ2_000014.jpg"></A>  <A href="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/EQ2_000016.jpg" target=_blank><IMG src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/telcontari71/Everquest/th_EQ2_000016.jpg"></A><BR><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A could never take 50 x 4 normals mobs which conned white.  Maybe guards are different but I will try this with x 4 normal mobs in the adventure zones and see what I get.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was the most apprehensive of the updates, the nerfing of roots, and increase in timers on spell etc...  but I think, this makes it a lot more fun..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Nimrodel Telcontar</P> <P>L51 Wizard on Runnyeye</P>

[Khelor]

My damage output increased significantly, I can outagro a scout that is mentoring at L26 (32) to my Wiz that was L22 at the time.  I've only had to adjust my playing style slightly to accomodate the fact that I can no longer attempt certain mobs, overall I'm enjoying the changes, I started as a bard, moved to a zerker and now ply my trade as a wizard which I believe will be my char till I hit the heady heights of 60. <div></div>

[Darien al'Staff]

Ok..>I can't stress this enough. To an extent, I VERY much agree with you.  Overall, I'm pleased with the combat changes and I do feel useful as a wizard again. **HOWEVER** there is still work to be done.  We're still being out dps'd in all sorts of fights.  This issue is split among the wizard community 50/50.  And don't go by simply these posts...ask people on your server.  Honestly, I think people are seeing the big numbers, and just letting it go.  But we were promised top DPS's, and we're simply not getting that.  There *IS* room for improvement.  But...Honestly...I want people to realize that, at least where I'm concerned, I'm not dissing the combat changes in the slightest. <div></div>

[tass]

u realize dont u that if soe even does try to improve us, {would be ns to outbeat all others but then r dps would have to go higher} they'd probably screw us and possible all the other mage classes in doing so. i dont know about u but i was scared as hell before the revamp expecting them to mess us up even more. and the idea of there workers going around and "tweaking" or actually shall i dare say "fixing" is really unsettling to me simply for the fact that they dont know how to do either. they try to fix what they think is right but usually {most of the time} it isnt <div></div>

[Zyphius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> holystones wrote:<BR>u realize dont u that if soe even does try to improve us, {would be ns to outbeat all others but then r dps would have to go higher} they'd probably screw us and possible all the other mage classes in doing so. i dont know about u but i was scared as hell before the revamp expecting them to mess us up even more. and the idea of there workers going around and "tweaking" or actually shall i dare say "fixing" is really unsettling to me simply for the fact that they dont know how to do either. they try to fix what they think is right but usually {most of the time} it isnt<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>I just want a couple spells unlinked (that shouldn't be anyway - particularly Word Of Force and ice vs heat should be separate timers), slightly less power consumption (draining mana in long group fights way too much), slightly less chance of roots breaking (AOE's are utterly useless soloing now), better avoidance/less interrupts** (supposedly VLA wearers could avoid being hit easier, and therefore have less interrupts... not seeing that AT ALL), and tweak some timers a bit/fix broken spells***.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>**Last night, in Harclave, I had to LITERALLY cast the same spell ELEVEN TIMES before it finally went off because of interrupts. It was to the point I was screaming obscenities because it was [Removed for Content] me off (I don't enjoy sitting for 5 minutes slicking the same button).</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>***Also last night, in Harclave, enfeeblement did absolutely nothing. I casted it on a caster, it was not resisted, but I still got pounded by his spells while he was <EM><SPAN>supposedly</SPAN></EM> "stifled".</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><EM><SPAN>Some</SPAN></EM><SPAN> timers need to be toned down a bit. They aren't bad when grouping, because you aren't the only one fighting, but when soloing, I want to burn down the mob as fast as possible, and having to wait on spells to cast because of long cast timers or spells to reset because of long recast timers it can get a little annoying.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Keep in mind that nothing I mention here do I consider game breaking, as I, so far, seem to be able to solo low con mobs just fine. I'm too chicken to try harder ones because I remember the days Pre-revamp where I was constantly taking dirt naps. Overall, I like the changes, because I hit a LOT harder now. But when I can't hit nearly as much, it doesn't do much to increase DPS (which is disappointing).</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>P.S. Before any of you start screaming "Ice comet Ice Comet Ice Comet" let me say one thing... I AM NOT LEVEL 50!!!</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Thank you, <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></SPAN></P> <P> </P>

[curtlewis]

I don't get the new mob con system. ^^^ is supposed to be heroic, yet the mobs in the pics shown above are no arrow heroics. I've seen ^ and ^^ non heroics, so I dunno [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is goin on there.I do know this. I can't take a ^^^ heroic 6 levels below me. They resist too many roots and I get a can o whoopass rammed down my throat.On the other hand, I took on 3 ^ 54s (at level 51) and showed them who was boss.So I'm not really sure if the system is working as advertised, but there are definitely mob's who's [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] I can kick and mobs who can kick mine. The trick is just figuring out where the dividing line is...

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darien al'Staff wrote:<BR>Ok..>I can't stress this enough.<BR><BR>To an extent, I VERY much agree with you.  Overall, I'm pleased with the combat changes and I do feel useful as a wizard again.<BR><BR>**HOWEVER** there is still work to be done.  We're still being out dps'd in all sorts of fights.  This issue is split among the wizard community 50/50.  And don't go by simply these posts...ask people on your server.  <BR><BR><BR>Honestly, I think people are seeing the big numbers, and just letting it go.  But we were promised top DPS's, and we're simply not getting that.  There *IS* room for improvement.  <BR><BR>But...Honestly...I want people to realize that, at least where I'm concerned, I'm not dissing the combat changes in the slightest.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>We know and respect each other Beeglin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But you need to show some long term numbers over many situations to have the claim that all sorts of other classes are beating our DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Till then it's not a fact, just anyones opinion.</DIV>

[brow27]

<span><blockquote><hr>curtlewis wrote:I don't get the new mob con system. ^^^ is supposed to be heroic, yet the mobs in the pics shown above are no arrow heroics. I've seen ^ and ^^ non heroics, so I dunno [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is goin on there.I do know this. I can't take a ^^^ heroic 6 levels below me. They resist too many roots and I get a can o whoopass rammed down my throat.On the other hand, I took on 3 ^ 54s (at level 51) and showed them who was boss.So I'm not really sure if the system is working as advertised, but there are definitely mob's who's [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] I can kick and mobs who can kick mine. The trick is just figuring out where the dividing line is...<hr></blockquote>Curt, you're making the mistake of just looking at the arrows to determine con.  The con range is determined by the ENCOUNTER, not specific mobs in the encounter.  Think of it this way, you have really easy, easy, normal, slightly hard, pretty hard, and REALLY hard.  The really easy, easy, and normal (and possibly slightly hard) encounters are considered solo.  In general the hard and really hard encounters are considered heroic.  As before the revamp, a full group of mobs (no arrows) is considered heroic.  I'm pretty sure its low-end heroic (con would say for a group of 2 to 3 players).  A ^^^ mob, 2 ^^ mobs, or 3 ^ mobs would be considered a high-end heroic encounter (group of 4-6).   The more ^s they have, the more health, damage, and resists they will have.  This is why it's easier to take out 3 ^ (thank god for RoC) than it is a single ^^^.</span><div></div>

[Fae]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brow27 wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> curtlewis wrote:<BR>I don't get the new mob con system. ^^^ is supposed to be heroic, yet the mobs in the pics shown above are no arrow heroics. I've seen ^ and ^^ non heroics, so I dunno [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] is goin on there.<BR><BR>I do know this. I can't take a ^^^ heroic 6 levels below me. They resist too many roots and I get a can o whoopass rammed down my throat.<BR><BR>On the other hand, I took on 3 ^ 54s (at level 51) and showed them who was boss.<BR><BR>So I'm not really sure if the system is working as advertised, but there are definitely mob's who's [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] I can kick and mobs who can kick mine. The trick is just figuring out where the dividing line is...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Curt, you're making the mistake of just looking at the arrows to determine con.  The con range is determined by the ENCOUNTER, not specific mobs in the encounter.  Think of it this way, you have really easy, easy, normal, slightly hard, pretty hard, and REALLY hard.  The really easy, easy, and normal (and possibly slightly hard) encounters are considered solo.  In general the hard and really hard encounters are considered heroic.  As before the revamp, a full group of mobs (no arrows) is considered heroic.  I'm pretty sure its low-end heroic (con would say for a group of 2 to 3 players).  A ^^^ mob, 2 ^^ mobs, or 3 ^ mobs would be considered a high-end heroic encounter (group of 4-6).   The more ^s they have, the more health, damage, and resists they will have.  This is why it's easier to take out 3 ^ (thank god for RoC) than it is a single ^^^.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Both of these are incorrect. You don't have to take my word for it, though.</P> <P><EM>When you target a mob, hold your mouse over the Target box. It'll tell you exactly how the fight will go.</EM> <FONT color=#ff9900>Orange</FONT> and <FONT color=#ff0000>red</FONT> mobs will hurt and probably kill you. <FONT color=#ffff00>Yellow</FONT> mobs have a great chance at killing you. <FONT color=#ffffff>White</FONT> mobs are a 50/50 chance, depending on how well you play. <FONT color=#0000ff>Blue</FONT> mobs have a chance at killing you, but it's doubted. <FONT color=#66ff00>Green</FONT> mobs have a very little chance of een hurting you.</P> <P>However, None of those take into consideration if they are heroic, or not. Heroics say "HEROIC" in the target box. They are meant for groups, and only groups. I don't care if it's 10 level slower than you, down arrow and you have all master Is. I'm sure you'd beat it, but it'll be for all your money. You'll be run dry of power and hp when you kill it.</P> <P>Anyone that isn't wearing fabled gear and Master spells: <STRONG>DONT FIGHT HEROICS SOLO</STRONG>. <FONT color=#ffff00>Simple as that.</FONT></P>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faeye wrote:<BR><BR> <P>Anyone that isn't wearing fabled gear and Master spells: <STRONG>DONT FIGHT HEROICS SOLO</STRONG>. <FONT color=#ffff00>Simple as that.</FONT></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Fabled isn't nessacary. I used to have 3 pieces of Fabled gear, but now I'm down to one, my head item, Wiseman Skull cap. I only have two damage spells at Master, icy coil, which still does less then Piercing Icles Adpet 3, and Ball of Fire Master 2, which does less then Ball of Flames, adept 3, since they are on the same timers, why cast the weaker one? </P> <P>So with an int of 304 and avoidance of 33%, I've fought and taken down heroic mobs. Heroic mobs have maybe slightly more hitpoints then their non heroic counterparts, the biggest difference is the damage they output is much higher. Or at least, that's my experience.<BR></P>

[Zyphius]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <P>So with an int of 304 and avoidance of 33%, I've fought and taken down heroic mobs. <STRONG>Heroic mobs have maybe slightly more hitpoints</STRONG> then their non heroic counterparts, the biggest difference is the damage they output is much higher. Or at least, that's my experience.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Heroics have a LOT more hitpoints... a lvl 35 ^^^ took IC (adept 3), BoFl (adept 1) x3, Flamestrike (adept 1) x4, Paralyze (adept 1) x3 before it died... Thats a lot of nukage for a mob 15 lvls below me....</DIV>

[scorpion noir]

<div></div>i had beaten an heroic 49++ last night ( a nammed who spawn near the higwaymen rujarkian) classi technic root heat and some debuffs but i cast my NEW BEST FRIEND PROTOFLAME  behind the nammed proty go so much damage so the nammed go into the yellow i root him again and recast proty ^^ and cast severals DOT to not aggro him and after his was in orange near red root ice comet paralyse root ball of incinerate and flame strike master 2 2or 3 times ...  i love my little proty ^^ i was realy stressed by the renwamp but now i m happy we are PURE nuker now but use nuke with moderation in group becaause before when root was inbreakable we could go seriously mad on the mad making destructive OHs and be safe during 36 sure ^^ but not now the root can break any time and the mob take you as target so it s very exciting to nuke but not to much waiting good time for this etc etc >>tactics inc now and it's very very cool and stimulating <div></div><p>Message Edited by scorpion noir on <span class=date_text>09-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:38 PM</span>