Dueling Impressions?

[Daga]

<DIV>I'm not goign to lead a charge to nerf our abilities, but a while back Moor had said that the way spells worked, is that they could have it affect PCs, differently than NPCs.  If that is the case, I'm expecting the nerf bat....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So has anyone dueled yet?  Has anyone lost to an even opponent?  I found our abilities to be almost over the top.  I haven't dueled any warlocks yet, but in dueling a ranger, a templar, a paladin, an assassin and a guardian multiple times, I never lost.  Simply Paralyze, Ice Comet, and if need be, Ball of Flames.  Dead.  One shotted a Ranger once.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone seeing similar results?   I even let the paladin and guardian get close right as the duel started.  After a few duels, I started feeling bad, like I was doing wrong... </DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Warlock is deadly......lost one and won one we are both level 50</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>DO NOT DUEL AN ILLUSIONIST - THEY OWN</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>11sec stun very powerful and they have pets.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess if we also use paralyze then ice comet then benumb we can keep stunning and stifling.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They are dangerous.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On Neriak one illusionist was making 1plat per duel.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He was 12 - 0.</DIV>

[brow27]

Idiots are wagering that much to duel? ROFL! <div></div>

[Ghostbeard]

<span><blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote:<div>Warlock is deadly......lost one and won one we are both level 50</div> <div> </div> <div>DO NOT DUEL AN ILLUSIONIST - THEY OWN</div> <div> </div> <div><b>11sec stun very powerful and they have pets.</b></div> <div><b> </b></div> <div>I guess if we also use paralyze then ice comet then benumb we can keep stunning and stifling.</div> <div> </div> <div>They are dangerous.</div> <div> </div> <div>On Neriak one illusionist was making 1plat per duel.</div> <div> </div> <div>He was 12 - 0.</div><hr></blockquote> Haven't tried it first hand - but I heard the complaining in /ooc this morning about how they are owning because - apparently - they can still cast the stun while stifled. Don't know if it's a bug - or by design. Don't even know if it's exactly true or not either - just what I was hearing in /ooc this morning. Of course... now... it's like the old EC tunnel was in EQ1 - with some [Removed for Content] challenging you to a duel ever 15 seconds... but... ah well. -GB- </span><div></div>

[tass]

as a wizard, u can basicly own. I fought at lv 36 zerker with my 34 wizard and nearly won. course had i known they put both of my quick hold spells like freeze and the other 1 on the same timer i couldnt won lol <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Yes everyone else is doable by wizard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only 2 that I see giving us the most problems are illusionists and warlocks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone else was defeatable.</DIV>

[Nightwo|f]

Yea I fought a coercer two or three times last night, lost everytime. Two I just got flat out pounded, last I did get him below 50% at least heh. At first I thought my stifle was wearing off very quick, since it was app1 (never upgraded it since i rarely used it heh). So I went out and bought the adept1. Even stifled he would be able to cast on me, which I thought was odd. If it wasn't for that then I don't think they'd be able to plow through people. In any case, resists make a huge difference. I fought a few guildies last night and they were a lot harder than some of the random people I fought because they all carry around heat and cold resist gear for when we raid (all had 2500+ heat/cold) so I was getting resisted *a lot*. I died a time or two due to Ice Comet (Master I) getting resisted over and over. It seems to me that resistance seems chance to resist the whole spell, instead of (or in addition to, or at least more so than previously) mitigate damage. <div></div>

[Darien al'Staff]

as a l;evel 41 wizard, I am unbeatable by anyone my level or one level above me. I can and will take on any 45+ with good odds.  I beat 50's once in a while. And warlocks=nothing.  Not in duels.  <div></div>

[Beghard]

<div></div>SKs and summoners will usual always own us. Edit: Just thought ied mention that in the Arena we are unstopable. Was more than twice the kills and half the deaths in ther for over an hour. It was pretty sweet. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Beghard on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:05 PM</span>

[Sotha]

<DIV>I had a serious trouble with a fury, only one ive tried atm, we both 50, but ive heard that everyone he has duelled he has taken down.</DIV>

[KaerMickey]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yes everyone else is doable by wizard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only 2 that I see giving us the most problems are illusionists and warlocks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Everyone else was defeatable.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Any wizards on butcherblock want to show me?  I've only dueled a couple wizards and I got the feeling wizards sucked a dueling.  Neither hit me and both died with in 5 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wanted to edit to say I'm not trying to be cocky or whatever either.  I just like to see how folks match up.  It just seemed my scout pet + rats + ghastly stench kept them interrupted and I'm interested to see how you guys are preventing the interrupts.</DIV><p>Message Edited by KaerMickey on <span class=date_text>09-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:52 PM</span>

[cairnsb]

<P>Depends on the fight and the resists...</P> <P>A Fury 2 levels higher then me with screaming mace resisted about 1/3 my nukes and them owned me.</P> <P>An even level SK - I got him to 10% health - he stun resisted - he ran up and zapped all my health with his harm touch spell.</P> <P>A zerk 5 levels below me hurt REALLY bad up close... I cast mez...cancled mez ... ran backard and cast paralize / inferno - killed him fast.</P> <P>An assasin 3 levels below me was a close fight - I cast root instead of stun and he switched to arrows.</P> <P>If I can keep the fight from getting up close and personal then I can win...if they get close to me I am usually dead.</P>

[Darien al'Staff]

Enfeeble ftw. <div></div>

[QQ-Fatman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darien al'Staff wrote:<BR>Enfeeble ftw.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>resisted -> dead wizard.<BR> <DIV>I just dueled with a ranger, enfeeblement got resisted, and i got killed in 2 sec... lol</DIV>

[stepha72]

An assassin killed me in about two hits because he resisted enfeeble.   Took on a paladin a couple of times only won once.   So far out of six duels I have won 2.   Not all that great.  I probably wont do it much anymore.  Also I thought we were not suppose to be able to die while dueling, just get knocked out and no debt.  Well the Assassin actually killed me yesterday, I had debt and everything is this just a bug?

[Nemi]

MoBs can aggro you while you duel, it's possible something else got the killing blow.

[Nightwo|f]

The ease of getting to 2500+ heat/cold resist for anyone makes it very hard for a wizard to fight someone with resist gear. Over a few fights, I found that having 2500+ resist does a great deal more than 50% mitigation resistance, in that 80-90% of my spells weren't landing for any damage (DoTs) and DDs were just getting flat out resisted. <div></div>

[brow27]

I don't have over 1500 in ANY resist.  Who were you fighting that had 2500+?  Were they in all fabled gear? <div></div>

[brow27]

Anyone have any experience with dueling classes that have stealth like Assassins or Rangers?  I have a Ranger friend in guild that says he just goes invis, does some shot for 1700 and then a couple quick hits and its over.  Does our see invis spell allow us to see stealthed players?  If it doesn't, do they remain targetted or are we just sitting ducks? <div></div>

[Daga]

Heh, if they invis/stealth, I mail of frost.  That sure as heck surprised the Ranger I fought.

[Nightwo|f]

my girlfriend, a defiler, and several other people in my guild. Since we raid a few days a week, most of the raiders have heat and cold resist gear which is easy to get for any class (heavy wool threaded, or tundra walker). She only has one piece of fabled, but you dont need anything exotic to raise resist for heat and cold, it is the most common thing in the game. I was [Removed for Content] and went looking for poison and disease resist.... but heh... <div></div>

[Noctide]

<DIV>Hmm I wonder if our new PBAOE would knock a stealthed player out of stealth? If so, perhaps apply mail of frost, throw up 500 damage shield,  then hit the Point Blank Inferno hitting target for 800sh damage knocking them out of stealth, stun, IC and game over.  Also using tartons wheel might work but I forget the cast time on that so it might not be viable.  We need a blink spell <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Edit...was just thinking dummy me, I think you need a target to use the Inferno, so that wouldnt work I dont think.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Noctide on <span class=date_text>09-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:47 PM</span>

[Nightwo|f]

To cast inferno you target yourself (or perhaps a mob within its radius?). I would think that if you see the scout go invis just cast Snow-filled Steps (or if you have the Eye of Power..) <div></div>

[Sotha]

<DIV>furies and beserkers are our nemises. I can splat rangers very easily and i generally beat warlocks because i resist their instant cast stun on a regular basis.</DIV>

[Lornick]

I haven't dueled a fury with my wizard yet, but what are they doing that makes them so difficult to beat?

[brow27]

I did a bunch of dueling last night and I have to say that in general it was a piece of cake.  I easily beat down a dirge, assassin, and a warlock that dueled with me.  The only person I had trouble with was a defiler. Healers are going to be very troublesome in general, and here's why: Wisdom.  Wisdom is what gives resists now, so if you fight a healer with high wisdom and decent gear, watch out.  The 48 defiler I dueled regularly resisted my stun, my master 1 ball of flames, and many other spells.  That, combined with his wards and heals, made for a real problem.  The first fight I didn't use Ice Comet because I wanted a challenge instead of just an easy 7-second win, and he trounced me easily.  The second fight I did the whole enfeeble>stun>Ice Comet bit and it didn't even kill him.  I survived the next 45 seconds and finally ended up killing him with a second Ice Comet, which I don't think he was expecting.  I did find out after this that he was using a legendary heat/cold resist potion, and full legendary leather armor as well. <div></div>

[Noctide]

Furys get the buff of 800+ too all resistance or mitigation of everything like 30 secs, so I can see that being a problem trying to get off spells on someone that gets a resist or mitigation to heat, cold, mental, magic, etc all in one buff.  I think that is a higher level Fury spell though, not sure if they get a lower level version.  I am sure each class will have one or two tough opponents that are hard to beat because they have a skill/spell that counters our best attacks, but that sounds balanced to me. <p>Message Edited by Noctide on <span class=date_text>09-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:28 AM</span>

[scorpion noir]

i am a lvl 50 wizz i ve made at least more than 50 duels and this my impressions wizards can own easily fighters paladin i own every time and now i ve understand their tactics they don't even touch me  ^^ the same for scout BUT WARLOCKS and priest OH My god  warlocks it's 50/50 but its fast== the first who cast the first win but priest I ve owned once but they had as the crying mace or the prismatic so i don't know if its that items but i ve never owned ( except the first duel) on mystics warden ( the worse) templar. Oo <div></div>

[Thrain Fiercea]

How do you guys counter stun's that are .2 sec cast, like Rangers'.  I used to use Enfeeblement right off the bat cause it was instant cast, but looked today and now it's a .5 sec cast, so there goes that advantage.  If we get stunned at the beginning we are toast cause we'll never get a spell off.  I was very successful against everyone I dueled using enfeeblement to stifle, then use my master 1 paralyze, Ice Comet, and ball of flames/incineration if they weren't dead yet.  Any techniquest to get away from stun would be great.

[Asvinn]

<P>My experiences with duelling are somewhat mixed.</P> <P>My first two duels I got my a** spanked by a templar 1 level above me. First the problem was resistance: 2 out of 3 spells got resisted. It may have been her gear (which was very good), the WIS or the buffs ... But her resistance to almost everything was INSANE. My spells are all adepts but still got resisted. And the little damage I did manage to get across was instantly healed by some sort of reactive spell. I never got her down below 75 % health.</P> <P>I also fought an illusionist at my level and it was EXTREMELY frustrating. I was constantly interrupted and stifled and stunned while the personae-pet slowly but surely whacked me. At one point I actually tried to do some meele-damage just to do SOMETHING and you all know how good wizzies are at that ...</P> <P>Then I fought a conjuror 1 level above me and it was more of a close fight. He won 2 times and I won once but all fights were a rather close race. The main problem here was interruptions from the summoned pets and it seemed that the winner would be the first to put in a stifle. The fight I won was like this: Spamming Enfeeblement untill it got through, then Paralyze followed by Balls of Flames. That brought his healthbar to red. Then he managed to summon the fish/shark pets and I was interrupted a lot untill I had time to put in a Flamestrike that finished him off.</P> <P>Easiest fights were with a zerker my level and a guardian 2 levels above me (!). I hit them instantly with Paralyze and then Ring of Cold. I followed with Ball of Flames, Flamestrike, Inferno, Ice Flame, Tether (to re-root) and then Ball of Flames again. In both cases I had 80-90% health left when they died. </P> <P>So far my impressions are these: </P> <P>Wizard vs. chanters: Very very tough due to stuns and stifles. Chanter keeps us interrupted while pets or dots whacks away on us.</P> <P>Wizard vs. summoners/warlocks: Close fights where the winner seems to be the one who first gets the upper hand (like being the first to successfully stun or stifle)</P> <P>Wizards vs. fighters: Rather easy fights. Stun, root, debuff, nuke - rinse and repeat.</P>

[ltpyromacc]

<DIV>I'm a lv 41 wiz and have all spells at app 4 or higher.  All my major damage spells are adept3.  The only thing I have been able to beet in a duel is a necro.  When fighting anyone else all i get is resists to all my attacks.  What kind of stats do you guys have to go around beeting everyone in duels???  </DIV>

[Thrain Fiercea]

I haven't done a ton of Duels, but I haven't had too much trouble with resists.  However, most of my spells are Adept 3 with a couple master 1's thrown in.  I also have a buffed int of around 317 now.  I recommend opening with enfeeblement which should get off sooner than a few classes stifles and stuns (I think).  Then I use paralyze and for those 50 and up Ice Comet.  That pretty much wipes out any tank scout or mage class as they can't even get a hit off if they tried to stun me.  Healers are tougher, but not unbeatable if your int is high enough I believe.

[OneBadAli]

<P>Wizards are decent at dueling (im only referring to level 50+).</P> <P>We get absolutely owned by any coercer that knows how to play his class. (they can still mez while stifled, so you will be mezzed whole fight because our cast times are just to long).</P> <P>We are absolutely owned by any scout that is smart enough to use stealth (we cant see stealth, so we get instagibbed by them, yet they can see invis....).</P> <P>Necro's and Conjurorers are really tough, unless your fortunate enough to get ice comet off before their pet/pets own u.</P> <P>Bruisers/Monks are difficult also.</P> <P> </P> <P>Overall we have it good for dueling, but not great.</P>

[Daga]

Did they stealth in resists on Players over the last few days?  I cannot win any duels now simply because I resist all the time.  290ish Int as well.  We tested a duel on a ranger who wouldn't ffihgt back.  Resisted 3 Ice Comets before one would hit, then went ahead and resisted 2 Paralyzes before I got the killing blow

[Zcenicx]

<P>Hmm.. Dueling impressions. My chain is the same as every other wizards, enfeeble, paralyze, Ice comet, bof/roc. I'd say that the Wizard is the most powerful class to play in pvp, though some classes will be more problematic than others.</P> <P> </P> <P>Wizard/Warlock: Stifle, Stun, Kill. Whoever gets the first stifle in wins. Warning for high resist rates vs other Wizards tho, same with prebuffed damage shields.</P> <P>Coercer: Stifle fast or you're corpsed with a shard. He <EM>will</EM> charm you and lead you into aggro mobs. </P> <P>Illusionist: Stifle fast or you're stunned for 13 seconds. Now, that's usually not enough for them to kill you, but they just might.</P> <P>---</P> <P>Fighter: Use Frostshield as well as Frostbound before the battle starts. Also, Summon Shadows if the fighter doesnt have his Tobrin's on (most don't... fatal mistake...). If they can see you, they'll try to start right next to you. Vital is to stun them as fast as possible, and keep them rooted in place.</P> <P>---</P> <P>Healer: Use Frostshield here too. My favoured chain here is Enfeeble, Paralyze, <STRONG>Dispel Arcane</STRONG>, Ice Comet, Ball of Flames, Ice Flame. Dispel Arcane is vital since they're most likely warded, have regens or reactives on etc. </P> <P>---</P> <P>Swashie/Brigand: Before attempting these, contact your local Woodworker for a see hidden totem. If you can't see them they'll get their stifle poisons on you before you say '[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]?' and next you know you're dead. If you can see them, you'll most likely surprise them with a stifle as they're getting positioned.</P> <P>Ranger/Assassin: Engage with care. It's a 50/50 battle here, that is if and only if you followed the point above. Triple Fire with stifle poison hurts, and they can and will twoshot us just like we will them. Whoever gets the first hit in wins.</P>

[RyllUmbra]

<DIV>Only dueled a Conjurer and an Inquisitor. The inquisitor I won fairly easily, I was in trouble when her root landed, due to it stifling too, but I seemed to break it before full duration, and then Ice Comet landed, and that was that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Conjurer killed me 4 out of our 5 duels...pretty much, the one time my enfeeble landed, I won, otherwise, he had his sharks out, and between them and his regular pet, I was interrupted far too often, tried once to RoC to root them all, but got interrupted 5 times or more, then died.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The length of the battles would have allowed me to get 3 spells, which is one more than I need to kill the conjurer, but the interrupts precluded me from getting more than one spell off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I look forward to dueling more when I have time and am not busy thoroughly enjoying the expansion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kablammo1961]

<DIV>Warlocks.....Cake</DIV> <DIV> - first, a disclaimer. I have never been much into PVP, and only limited experience in this game (about 10 duels with guildmates)</DIV> <DIV>Warlocks do not have a fast -casting stun. They DO have a fast casting interrupt. SO spam the Paralyze til it hits, Ice comet and Ball spell for the win. won all 5 times, even the last one where I let him stun me just to see if I could recover. Their DPS is amazing, but there is a big dead period before the damage starts to build like an avalanche. You can easily blow them to powder before that happens.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have NO WAY to see a stealthed opponent. Our See invis (heritage eyepatch nerfed too) does not see stealth. Well, we can Bind sight to a scout, but no way to do that in a Duel.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Troubadors / Enchanters Anyone with Mez, do not bother to duel with them. You cannot interrupt Mez casting (even stifle does not interrupt) and once Mezzed, you are completely at their mercy. That to me seems wrong, and an overpowering advantage. Our Ice comet is powerful, but others can greatly reduce the damage with resist gear. To my knowledge however, there is no way to counter Mez. If there is, I would be VERY glad to hear it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have ONE stun, and one stifle. If used properly (against any non-mezzing class) we DPS for the win. Necro could be alot of fun (fear) and Pet casters too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kablammo</DIV>

[Sokolov]

Don't know what warlock you are dueling, but we have a 0.5 cast time 5.8s length pacify spell. <div></div>

[scorpion noir]

<div></div>Today i ve beaten a paladin and a bersek full fabled stuffed and they did't even touch me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) ice comet  Roc  paralyse enfeeblement  ( adept1 it's quite useful too) ball of flames immolation ADEPT 3 all my buffs and ae dots adept1 but  i ve too say priest were very difficult because i didn't use dispel magic ( thanks mdame <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)) now it s better the problem now with resist is : you must debuff before your nuke i noticed that fighters whose have practising duel cast their WARDS before i am casting it because they recognize the icy-like( white smoke )precast of  ICE COMET  so i interupt it quickly ( jump <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and launch a quick spell like ( flame strike or ball of flame ) it s no big deal because they are rooted whith at last one of the root up ^^ so they resist to ( the little one ( flamme strike or ball and just before ice comet ( enfeeb ouor paralyse ) and its done no resist on my ice but debuff is very important <div></div><p>Message Edited by scorpion noir on <span class=date_text>09-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:56 PM</span>

[brow27]

Well I had a tad bit of trouble reading your post there scorpion, but are you saying that our 'dispel magic' line actually cancels out priest buffs? <div></div>

[Kablammo1961]

<P>Thank you for the correction Sokolov, hehe I guess my Warlock buddy hadnt found that spell yet. No wonder I was Owning him. That would certainly make things more difficult. My greatest advantage was, even if he got started casting his Dot and DD lineup after stunning me, If I could get Ice comet in it was over, with the built in knockback and interrupt.</P> <P>Fun stuff is this PVP, I never would have guessed.</P> <P>I am still however upset that Mez for Troubs and Enchies is uninterruptible (I think) that seems a ridiculous advantage. I dont KNOW if its true, like I said in a nother thread, but I have had Mez hit me right after I dropped my stifle and Stun, and didnt see any resist message.</P> <P>the REAL question is, what can we do to resist Mez and Stifle/stun? Mental resist? Increase Wis? Anybody know?</P> <P>Kablammo</P>

[Sokolov]

<div></div>It's level 38 Vulian Interference.  Are you two level 38 yet? =D Then again, it's possible pacify doesn't work the same way against a PC as it does on a mob... Just checked my spell list on my toon here and Tongue Twist (Sorcerer 10) and Nullification (Warlock 24) have been adjusted to fit in this line, so he should have one regardless of level. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Sokolov on <span class=date_text>09-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:01 PM</span>

[scorpion noir]

i don't ask the healer the effect of dispel i will ask her soon i am lvl 50 close to 51 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and tonight on the beach (reporter voice) buff threats( its my guildmate^^)  betwen the two fighters a zerk LVL 51 ( left hand part of inventory :FABLED  and right legendary and some fabled ) the fight is engaged stifle stunt ice comet fight is over 7 times ( he changed one hand sword with shield after two hand sword etc etc same result ) now he begins to thinks its not really fair because is the stifle goes the duel is over but ..... gniark gniark gniark  hiihhiihihihi <div></div>