Wizards won't play for long if this goes live.

[Bogwaluth]

<DIV>If the damage numbers are true and we are getting our butts kicked in DPS by Warlocks and Mobs are owning us, wizards won't play.  This revamp seems to have gotten out of hand.  I am tired this better be worth it but I feel my Ice Comet will still suck, a bottom number on Ice Comet of 2400 is WRONG!  Unacceptable!  Plain and Simple.</DIV>

[Redorin]

<P>Whats bottom number on Ice comet in live at Adept 3? 2800 or something right? The upper number on live is 3500 or so....the upper number on beta is 5600? Whats up with all the complaining anyway?</P> <P> </P> <P>OUR DPS IS HIGHER! I have played Beta and that is what its like...good god people stop the whining.</P>

[Icehea]

<P>actually bog is right..the number is no where near 5600max anymore and the adept3 is 2400min or near that.  Both patches in the last 2 days said we got an increase but it was a decrease....maybe they modified it the wrong way?</P> <P> </P> <P>ice</P>

[Tanit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Bogwaluth wrote:<div><b>If</b> the damage numbers are true and we are getting our butts kicked in DPS by Warlocks and Mobs are owning us, wizards won't play.  This revamp <b>seems</b> to have gotten out of hand.  I am tired this better be worth it but <b>I feel</b> my Ice Comet will still suck, a bottom number on Ice Comet of 2400 is WRONG!  Unacceptable!  Plain and Simple.</div><hr></blockquote>Maybe you should try it first before you make assumptions. </span><div></div>

[trysta]

<DIV>If you read this post (<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=15141" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=23&message.id=15141</A>), you'll see that wizards and warlocks alike are seeing a 12-16% decrease in DPS. Also, with these spells able to hit for much lower numbers than normal, our power efficiency, which as wizards was never good to begin with, is even weaker now. There was a much better analysis of the actual numbers posted somewhere else, but I can't find it at the moment...</DIV>

[Straylig]

<DIV>Boo Hoo....Doom and Gloom.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Let the [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing launch first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EB needs to sell earplugs alongside the expansion so we can block out all the moaning and crying.</DIV>

[blynchehaun]

Don't be daft. That would be like 'having an informed opinion' and crazy things like that..... It's much much easier to bleat and moan than it is to actually <b>think</b>. <div></div>

[brow27]

I'd pay good money for a /ignore command for the forums, to block out all the whining.  EB Games sell anything like that? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Listen to Redorin!  He's played beta, he knows whats up! <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>There appear to be way too many conflicting posts from wizards, from warlocks on wizards and from everyone else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is mostly why you have people you call whiners.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is concern for a game they enjoy - many people are worried that this game will be a complete disaster.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please post your findings after you play the updated live game and tell us what you think please.</DIV>

[blynchehaun]

< There appear to be way too many conflicting posts from wizards, from warlocks on wizards and from everyone else. > Yup. < That is mostly why you have people you call whiners. > Nope. Whiners don't appear because of conflicting posts. Whiners appear when they read a SINGLE negative post, that (frequently) is incorrect. Then <b>regardless of the positive posts to the contrary</b> write post after post saying how bad the Dev team is, how stupid they are, how the game is going to suck, and how the company has 'screwed' them. < t is concern for a game they enjoy > Typically baseless. < many people are worried that this game will be a complete disaster. > Really? All the servers are going just going to turn off all by themselves? Or perhaps all the servers and *all* the backups will mysteriously get wiped? Anything short of that is <b>not</b> a 'complete disaster'. Go get some perspective. < Please post your findings after you play the updated live game and tell us what you think please. > Now, <b>that</b> is a constructive statement. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's what I plan to do, and check out how I play. Char is currently logged in the 3rd lvl of Stormhold (lvl 37 Wizard) and having an easy time against lv 28^^. That strikes me as a good place to start testing. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Why can't you respond nicely......no need to be hypersensitive as I was not directing anything to you personally.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <span class=date_text>09-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:23 AM</span>

[blynchehaun]

< Why can't you respond nicely > Oddly, I *do* consider my above post to be 'nice'. By the by, 'hypersensitive' is where you consider a fairly neutral statement to be an attack. <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> blynchehaun wrote:<BR>< Why can't you respond nicely ><BR><BR>Oddly, I *do* consider my above post to be 'nice'.<BR><BR><BR>By the by, 'hypersensitive' is where you consider a fairly neutral statement to be an attack.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>My response was to the "Go get perspective" - the tone of that statement tends to send a tinge of frustration with someone. The fact that you are directing me and insinuating I have no perspective does not sit well with anyone. I am sure you would get a similar response in real life if you use it in a converstaion with someone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for clarifying you did not mean to apply that statement in a denegrating way.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Take Care.<BR></DIV>

[blynchehaun]

< Thanks for clarifying you did not mean to apply that statement in a denegrating way. > Ah, my bad. "Go get perspective" *was* meant in a denegrating way. Hurricane Katrina = Complete Disaster. Pompeii = Complete Disaster. A 7+ rated Earthquake = Complete Disaster The EQ2 Revamp = minor software change. If anyone considers the EQ2 Revamp to be on par with Hurricane Katrina, then they *seriously* need to go get some perspective. There's far far too much use of hyperbole on these boards. <div></div>

[suroktheslayer5]

<img src="http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b248/elwino/400027779.jpg"><div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> suroktheslayer5 wrote:<BR><IMG src="http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b248/elwino/400027779.jpg"> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You are just so hateful you know that...LOL</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[papabear0]

<P>people been threating to cancell after the last big patch that made us what we are today.  guess what?   a lot of us still here and still having fun at what were doing.  </P> <P>so what if warlocks still outdamage us?  after this expansion, the gap between them and us is closer than ever before.   after this patch, we will be one of the top dps class in the game.  im not saying this from what ive read, im sayting this from being in being in beta with over half my guild in beta.</P> <P>people whine because they dont know whats ahead of them and they are afraid of change.  this change is good but if you really that upset, just go ahead and cancel.  no one will miss you.</P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> papabear005 wrote:<BR> <P>people been threating to cancell after the last big patch that made us what we are today.  guess what?   a lot of us still here and still having fun at what were doing.  </P> <P>so what if warlocks still outdamage us?  after this expansion, the gap between them and us is closer than ever before.   after this patch, we will be one of the top dps class in the game.  im not saying this from what ive read, im sayting this from being in being in beta with over half my guild in beta.</P> <P>people whine because they dont know whats ahead of them and they are afraid of change.  this change is good but if you really that upset, just go ahead and cancel.  no one will miss you.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can you go over what you like most about our new spells and how you apply them in  a group and raid encounter.</P> <P>Also, what are the best things about the class now and the the no so great things about it.</P> <P>What training options did you get and why.</P> <P>Thanks...any info would be greatly appreciated.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Arveda]

<P>I normally do not post at all in the forum simply because I have nothing constructive to say, and this just so happens to be one of those non-constructive comments.</P> <P>I have on occasion tried to come to the forums to gather as much information on what to expect in the expansion and combat changes only to be disgusted by the amount of conflicting information, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing and moaning, and simple outright malice toward other classes. </P> <P>I have been playing a wizard for quite a while now (EQ & EQII) and believe it or not I have been enjoying it. I truly believe that you are free to express your opinion by saying that if the changes remain in effect as they are now that you personally will not be playing a wizard. That is a valid statement but please note that you are not speaking for me. </P> <P>We might be seeking different goals in our game play and therefore may have diffrent needs to make the game fun. I for one do not compare myself to what type of damage output a warlock is making or by that matter a wizard of greater skill. I simply look toward the fact that I am able to play, level, & interact with my friends at my own pace. I do welcome class balancing and look forward to finding out how my game strategy </P>

[Arveda]

<P>I normally do not post at all in the forums simply because I have nothing constructive to say, and this just so happens to be one of those non-constructive comments.</P> <P>I have on occasion tried to come to the forums to gather as much information on what to expect in the expansion and combat changes only to be disgusted by the amount of conflicting information, [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing and moaning, and simple outright malice toward other classes. </P> <P>I have been playing a wizard for quite a while now (EQ & EQII) and believe it or not I have been enjoying it. I truly believe that you are free to express your opinion by saying that if the changes remain in effect as they are now that you personally will not be playing a wizard. That is a valid statement but please note that you are not speaking for me. </P> <P>We might be seeking different goals in our game play and therefore may have diffrent needs to make the game fun. I for one do not compare myself to what type of damage output a warlock is making or by that matter a wizard of greater skill. I simply look toward the fact that I am able to play, level, & interact with my friends at my own pace and still have fun. I do welcome class balancing and look forward to finding out how my game strategy will change according to the changes.</P> <P>If what I have been able to extrapolate after reading the forums, I believe that my gaming experience will be enhanced and not deminished.</P> <P>I apologize for taking your time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Arveda Feytahl, High Elf Wizard of Freeport (Crushbone)</P> <p>Message Edited by Arveda on <span class=date_text>09-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:23 PM</span>

[Erow]

<P><FONT color=#33ccff>Greetings...!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>You can no longer just toss out spell damage numbers without also including the INT of the person who inspected the spell... since INT directly changes the spell stats... one person @ lvl 50 might have an Ice Comet that hits for 2500 while the other might hit for 4100.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>Max INT that effects spell data is 7* lvl   though it's suggested that should change to even higher... like earlier beta.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>600 INT can be acheived in raid situations now ...!!  Solo Wizards won't be as powerful as grouped WIzards.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>.</FONT></P> <p>Message Edited by Erowid on <span class=date_text>09-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:40 PM</span>

[Lady Uaelr]

What buffs do you have on?

[Dalentho]

<P>I just rearranged my spells after looking over them and have some impressions.  FWIW I'm level 50.</P> <P>I think the spell lineup makes more sense this way.  It weeded out several spells from my spell bar, but realistically I was overloaded with several similar spells, and many were used rarely in my rotation.  </P> <P>Overall, I think I can generate more DPS with this lineup.  I'm now clearly a DD caster with clearer ways to reduce mitigation on a mob.  Personally, I think damage isn't going to be the issue, power control will be.  My adept 3 Ice comet does up to 4600 damage now and I haven't even chosen all my Int specialization items, which will likely make it go higher.  I have at least 4 spells now that will do over 1000 damage at a crack, and while 1 or 2 have a longer reset timer, the rest don't.  </P> <P>The buff spells look odd now.  Only 20-30 seconds?  I'm only going to use this if my nukes aren't hitting from resists, as at least it gives me something to do.  But the one buff spell which now has an unlimited timer that you can cast on a tank, and it gives 10% chance for YOU to get a power boost when the person is hit, makes up for it.  Anything that increases power in-combat is a key component I think.  </P> <P>Permafrost keeps crashing or I'd have more to post.  But I think it's going to open lots of possibilities for Wizards.  And we are now clearly DD nukers.</P>