What the BLEEEP is this quote?!?!?!

[Bogwaluth]

<DIV>A Dev wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Suprisingly, tracking damage done across all of beta, ***Warlocks rank #1 or #2*** in almost every sampling except where I broke a spell for a few days or a spell was doing much less than intended damage (Soul Blister being the wrong spell, etc.).</FONT><BR><BR>So....that whole line of BS about their damage being equal is.....well WRONG!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the DEVS are happy that Warlocks are #1 and Wizards are NOT.  Pfftttt, the Dev didn't even mention Wizards.  What a big pile of "you know"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not fix this? And now since I can't feed mana well, Wizards are Useless in MoM, and others and 50% useless in the rest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quality job on this one.....I can't wait to try it out.  LAUGH!</DIV>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Bogwaluth wrote:<div>A Dev wrote:</div> <div> </div> <div><font color="#cc0000">Suprisingly, tracking damage done across all of beta, ***Warlocks rank #1 or #2*** in almost every sampling except where I broke a spell for a few days or a spell was doing much less than intended damage (Soul Blister being the wrong spell, etc.).</font>So....that whole line of BS about their damage being equal is.....well WRONG! <font color="#ffff00">no... wizards have higher DPS on single targets and warlocks have higher DPS on multiple targets</font> </div> <div> </div> <div>So the DEVS are happy that Warlocks are #1 and Wizards are NOT.  Pfftttt, the Dev didn't even mention Wizards.  What a big pile of "you know"</div> <div><font color="#ffff00">the quote clearly says 1 OR 2. it is true that the dev didnt mention wizards directly but the rest of the thread is all about wizards and warlocks... the dev probably didnt mention wizards because it was blindingly obvious that wizards were the other 1 or 2!</font>  </div> <div>Why not fix this? And now since I can't feed mana well, Wizards are Useless in MoM, and others and 50% useless in the rest.</div> <font color="#ffff00">there are very few raid in which wizards are useless, although thats a completely different issue.</font> <div>Quality job on this one.....I can't wait to try it out.  LAUGH! </div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> adamflanagan wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bogwaluth wrote:<BR> <DIV>A Dev wrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Suprisingly, tracking damage done across all of beta, ***Warlocks rank #1 or #2*** in almost every sampling except where I broke a spell for a few days or a spell was doing much less than intended damage (Soul Blister being the wrong spell, etc.).</FONT><BR><BR>So....that whole line of BS about their damage being equal is.....well WRONG!<BR><FONT color=#ffff00>no... wizards have higher DPS on single targets and warlocks have higher DPS on multiple targets</FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So the DEVS are happy that Warlocks are #1 and Wizards are NOT.  Pfftttt, the Dev didn't even mention Wizards.  What a big pile of "you know"</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>the quote clearly says 1 OR 2. it is true that the dev didnt mention wizards directly but the rest of the thread is all about wizards and warlocks... the dev probably didnt mention wizards because it was blindingly obvious that wizards were the other 1 or 2!</FONT><BR> </DIV> <DIV>Why not fix this? And now since I can't feed mana well, Wizards are Useless in MoM, and others and 50% useless in the rest.</DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>there are very few raid in which wizards are useless, although thats a completely different issue.</FONT><BR><BR> <DIV>Quality job on this one.....I can't wait to try it out.  LAUGH!<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>adamflanagan:</P> <P>I understand what you are saying here. </P> <P>But this quote:</P> <P><FONT color=#cc0000>Suprisingly, tracking damage done across all of beta, ***Warlocks rank #1 or #2*** in almost every sampling except where I broke a spell for a few days or a spell was doing much less than intended damage (Soul Blister being the wrong spell, etc.).</FONT><BR></P> <DIV>It leads the reader to believe that warlocks are powerful and the the balance they tried to achieve is not there. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>He says "tracking damage across all of beta in almost every sampling".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizards are most likely #2.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There was no need to nerf the wizard spells - the warlocks were ok with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>SOE does not think about wizards at all and probably other classes as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ANYWAYS:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PLEASE NOTE: Has anyone seen anything about resistances????  Whether spells are nerfed or not - if the resistances are there it will not matter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Lady Uaelrea wrote: <div> </div> <div>Has anyone seen anything about resistances????  Whether spells are nerfed or not - if the resistances are there it will not matter.</div> <div>  </div><hr></blockquote>on beta spells seem to be hitting for the stated amount without debuffing. when i do debuff it has very little effect as piercing icicles master 1 only debuffs 500ish.</span><div></div>

[Magiocracy]

A further dev post clarified this : <div><font color="#cc0000">To clarify EJ's comment:</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">Of all of the fights that have occurred on Test and Beta over the past week (every one of the thousands of fights have been recorded, stored, and parsed):</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">In terms of DPS, Wizards and Warlocks trade positions between #1 and #2 depending on: fight length, target choice, # of targets.    There are situations in which Warlocks are #1.  There are situations in which Wizards are #1.</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">Both are highly desirable, and objectively speaking neither one is overpowered when compared to the other.</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">That said, let's please ease up on the "grass is greener" threads.  At the end of the day, if your class is useful and fun, you win.  I'll respectfully request that people focus on that.</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">Thanks,</font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000"> </font></div> <div><font color="#cc0000">- Scott</font></div> <p><font color="#cc0000">____</font><font color="#cc0000"> </font><font color="#cc0000">Scott Hartsman</font><font color="#cc0000"> </font><font color="#cc0000">Senior Producer, EverQuest II</font> </p> <div></div>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <DIV>So the DEVS are happy that Warlocks are #1 and Wizards are NOT.  Pfftttt, the Dev didn't even mention Wizards.  What a big pile of "you know"</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>the quote clearly says 1 OR 2. it is true that the dev didnt mention wizards directly but the rest of the thread is all about wizards and warlocks... the dev probably didnt mention wizards because it was blindingly obvious that wizards were the other 1 or 2!</FONT><BR> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN> <P>Thats the problem with quoting parts of a thread.  You do not get to see the context.  Of course, the original poster could have mentioned that wizards were #1 when warlocks were #2.</P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Aeva]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Magiocracy wrote:<BR>A further dev post clarified this :<BR><BR> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>To clarify EJ's comment:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Of all of the fights that have occurred on Test and Beta over the past week (every one of the thousands of fights have been recorded, stored, and parsed):</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff99>at least half of which are probably solo fights, so Ice comet, dead, dps 4k, woot...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff99>yeay we are overpowered on fights that are completly meaningless</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>In terms of DPS, Wizards and Warlocks trade positions between #1 and #2 depending on: fight length, target choice, # of targets.    There are situations in which Warlocks are #1.  There are situations in which Wizards are #1.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff99>ahem... even in those situations we should be close, I fail to see how thats possible with our current garbage AOE lineup or our abysmal power consumption. again their numbers will be wonky because they autoparse ALL fights, so if I go nuking green solo mobs I guess I am situationaly superior, bunk...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Both are highly desirable, and objectively speaking neither one is overpowered when compared to the other.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ffcc>How can we be desireable at all for Raids when there is no mention yet about resist changes???</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>That said, let's please ease up on the "grass is greener" threads.  At the end of the day, if your class is useful and fun, you win.  I'll respectfully request that people focus on that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#66ff66>Sorry, if my class is only more useful when it comes to one shotting green solo mobs, I do not win.  I'll respectfully request that you look at the real problems and not at giant parse reports that fail to look at context</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>- Scott</FONT></DIV> <P><FONT color=#cc0000>____</FONT><FONT color=#cc0000><BR></FONT><FONT color=#cc0000>Scott Hartsman</FONT><FONT color=#cc0000><BR></FONT><FONT color=#cc0000>Senior Producer, EverQuest II</FONT> </P><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[brow27]

Looks like Aevarr is the new king of negative assumption.  He never said wizards were only #1 vs green solo mobs, nor did he say when Warlocks were #1 that Wizards were way behind.  Our AE lineup is FAR superior to what it used to be, and warlocks no longer have the giant advantage they once did.  Chill. <div></div>

[Beghard]

<span><blockquote><hr>brow27 wrote:Looks like Aevarr is the new king of negative assumption.  He never said wizards were only #1 vs green solo mobs, nor did he say when Warlocks were #1 that Wizards were way behind.  Our AE lineup is FAR superior to what it used to be, and warlocks no longer have the giant advantage they once did.  Chill. <div></div><hr></blockquote>/agree</span><div></div>

[Aeva]

<P>Thank you gentlemen for answering the question posed by another wizard in the thread currently above this one.</P> <P><SPAN><BR></SPAN> </P> <DIV><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OneBadAlien wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am just at a loss for words as to why warlocks have 100's if not 1000's of posts about combat changes that they didnt like or want changed (and btw they are/were changed) yet wizards have literally nothing they are concerned with. </DIV> <DIV>So i guess were just gonna sit back and let warlocks whine (which means we get nerfed more) and at the same time dont even bring up major problems our class will have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its really sad that you guys dont care about your class enough to let the devs know how u feel, i dont understand how all the warlocks unite to fight for the changes they want and all of us wizards just sit on our fat as s's and do nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks alot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN></DIV> <P> </P> <P>There ya go OBA, the responce I got here is precisely why.</P> <P>I am very happy for those of you who do not raid and are happy as can be with what you see of the changes. However, let me ask you, why is it I am not allowed to post my concerns about the changes and what I see as a serious mistake in the way they are collecting data?   you call me the hater?  I give up...</P>

[blynchehaun]

< why is it I am not allowed to post my concerns about the changes > Posting your concerns? Let's review: <<font color="#66ff99"> at least half of which are probably solo fights, so Ice comet, dead, dps 4k, woot...</font> <div><font color="#66ff99">yeay we are overpowered on fights that are completly meaningless <font color="#ffffff">> This is not posting a concern. This is you assuming that the Devs tracking was on fights that were completely useless. This is a 'negative assumption'. What some of us like to call "a baseless whine". < </font></font><font color="#66ff99">ahem... even in those situations we should be close, I fail to see how thats possible with our current garbage AOE lineup or our abysmal power consumption. again their numbers will be wonky because they autoparse ALL fights, so if I go nuking green solo mobs I guess I am situationaly superior, bunk... <font color="#ffffff">> Again, this is not 'posting a concern'. This is uninformed whining. "our current garbage AOE" as pointed out has been improved. Did you ask about this? Nope. You just *whined*. You are also fixated on nuking green mobs. You appear to be assuming that the Wizards on Test do little other than nuke greens..... </font></font><font color="#66ffcc"><font color="#ffffff">< </font></font><font color="#66ff66">Sorry, if my class is only more useful when it comes to one shotting green solo mobs, I do not win.  I'll respectfully request that you look at the real problems and not at giant parse reports that fail to look at context <font color="#ffffff">> I respectfully request that you go look up how to 'post a concern' vs. baseless whining. But I guess that's about as likely as you actually creating a charactor on Test....... </font></font></div> <div></div>