Level 30 wizard wondering why I suck

[Uumuuanu]

<DIV>Ok, so I read through dozens of posts before writing this, and I guess its more of a question to Sony, the programmers, the EQ2 story liners, and well,  to the long time casters of the EQ lineage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I decided I would be a wizard, instead of being a necro as my caster as I was in EQ1.   I thought hmm,  be nice to be a nuker and be wanted in a group.  Well, ok, so I was wrong again (first mistake was making a guardian, since there are about 70 million of them on crushbone).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I get my caster, I run him up to 30 fairly quick, grab him most of his recommended adpet 3s.  Then I run off to a group.  While in that group, doing TS skeles just outside of varsoons,  one of the casters in the group is doing dps monitoring us.  Of course being in an all caster group (4 casters 1 templar),  we all want to have the most DPS.  Well being the highest 30,  I should be rocking world.  Well,  obviously I was killing stuff quick along with the rest of the people, but when it comes down to it, the first listing from the DPS watch, I have the highest single shot, woots (Ball of Fire 530).  But then I look and I am 3rd in DPS,  behind a 25 warlock and a 27 warlock.  [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] I think,  3-5 levels below me and they are totally blowing me out of the water.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We continue on for nearly an hour this way and it comes down to the only way I can get to the top of that list is to blow off every little fast casting spell I have and hope I get a HO off on them.  Round after round, I see that if I dont get really luck, I get  beat on DPS.   But that isnt the worst of it,  I also by far have the worst aggro of anyone, even those doing more damage then me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is repeated through several different groups of differen configurations and levels, until basically I come here frustrated and ready to reroll.  I read through the forums and decide that honestly wizards have been shafted by resists,  being mana pumps (which I wanted to avoid from EQ1 as a necro), and well, honestly it seems just in general.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I see higher level raiding people saying that raiding sucks as a wizard, great time to delete him.  I see average players saying I get resisted non-stop, great time to delete him.  I see every wizard in the game saying the same problems and wondering why they got shafted into being the necro-manapimping-utili-bots of EQ1 that can't even solo like necros could in EQ1, and I wonder why do I feel like my toon sucks?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Honestly I guess I don't get why wizards are so seemingly crappy in EQ2 and is there anything a player can do to keep from becoming a utilibot or being frustrated into deletion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[trysta]

As a level 50 wizard who had the same exact problems as you, all I can say is don't run damage parsers. They'll only hurt your self-esteem (and make you look bad in groups). Stick with the class if you enjoy it, otherwise, you may want to reroll. I for one am hoping that our class is brought to the level that it should be at once these combat changes go live.

[Tar~Palantir]

<DIV>Yet another person comes and preaches we are broken.  When will SoE listen to the masses?</DIV>

[Kamuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tar~Palantir wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yet another person comes and preaches we are broken.  When will SoE listen to the masses?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>1) The "masses" quit EQ2 a long time ago.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) SOE is listening NOW. With 2,000,000 WoW subscriptions, they can't pretend to have the better game anymore. (EQ2 is at about 250,000)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) This largely empty forum is overweighted with wizards would eat dog-food if it was served on a SOE plate. More descriminating wizards have simply left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Some people have a bunker mentality when it comes to these games. IE, if you stick it out through the hard times, you are rewarded when they get better. Reality is that you are rewarded far more to leave when the game is not fun and return when it changes in your favor. Its VERY easy to "make up for lost time" in these games.</DIV>

[Manohate]

Funny I found this thread today.  I stopped playing my 44 Wiz about 3 months ago because of these very issues, and because I was constantly out DPSed by a guildie fighter class (won't say which because I don't want the nerf bat showing itseld).  I now have a 31 Conj, 21 Fury, 20 Necro and 18 Brawler.  With the new expansion coming in Sept, I'm banking on, well, hoping SONY will be giving Wizzies some love, so I'm going for 50.  Yes we got some love a few months ago, but it wasn't enough to put us on par with the other high DPS classes.  The main reason I'm even on the boards today is resists.  I was getting owned by blue gnolls in Splitpaw last night because I can't get any roots to land.  Anyone have any idea what I can do to lessen resists?  I've tried debuffing first, but that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Chinchil]

<P>this and many other posts make me sad ..</P> <P>I like this game .. FIX ME!</P>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manohate wrote:<BR>Funny I found this thread today.  I stopped playing my 44 Wiz about 3 months ago because of these very issues, and because I was constantly out DPSed by a guildie fighter class (won't say which because I don't want the nerf bat showing itseld).  I now have a 31 Conj, 21 Fury, 20 Necro and 18 Brawler.  With the new expansion coming in Sept, I'm banking on, well, hoping SONY will be giving Wizzies some love, so I'm going for 50.  Yes we got some love a few months ago, but it wasn't enough to put us on par with the other high DPS classes.  The main reason I'm even on the boards today is resists.  I was getting owned by blue gnolls in Splitpaw last night because I can't get any roots to land.  Anyone have any idea what I can do to lessen resists?  I've tried debuffing first, but that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Blue cons really do hurt me too.

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Tar~Palantir wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Manohate wrote:Funny I found this thread today.  I stopped playing my 44 Wiz about 3 months ago because of these very issues, and because I was constantly out DPSed by a guildie fighter class (won't say which because I don't want the nerf bat showing itseld).  I now have a 31 Conj, 21 Fury, 20 Necro and 18 Brawler.  With the new expansion coming in Sept, I'm banking on, well, hoping SONY will be giving Wizzies some love, so I'm going for 50.  Yes we got some love a few months ago, but it wasn't enough to put us on par with the other high DPS classes.  The main reason I'm even on the boards today is resists.  I was getting owned by blue gnolls in Splitpaw last night because I can't get any roots to land.  Anyone have any idea what I can do to lessen resists?  I've tried debuffing first, but that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Blue cons really do hurt me too. <div></div><hr></blockquote>they're meant to hurt us, as mages were are not supposed to be able to take a lot of damage. as to the original post about being owned by blue mobs. once i got ring of cold i had no problem killing orange mobs. unless all your spells are app1 i really cant see how you are having your problem. i have roc at adept 1 and it rarely gets resisted.</span><div></div>

[Za'Had]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Manohate wrote:<BR>The main reason I'm even on the boards today is resists.  I was getting owned by blue gnolls in Splitpaw last night because I can't get any roots to land.  Anyone have any idea what I can do to lessen resists?  I've tried debuffing first, but that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You gotta max your Subjugation skill. Then your RoC will almost never gets resisted, even on yellow mobs.<BR>

[Manohate]

I have RoC App4.  I went into Harclaves last night.  I was resisted 5 out of 5 times.  3 times by a single blue gnoll, once by a group of whites by the ark and once by a group of yellows by the ark.  I understand the whites and yellows, but 0 for 3 on the blue?  Will getting Adept 3 help with that?

[Manohate]

<P>I'll check my Subjugation.  Not sure what it's at.  Didn't see that post til after I posted the last.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks to all who have given advice</P>

[Stavenh]

<P>It gets depressing to see post after post from wizards saying how much thier character sucks.</P> <P>Most of the time, what it comes down to is not so much that wizards suck, but another class is better. Well, one class being better.</P> <p>Message Edited by Stavenham on <span class=date_text>07-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:01 PM</span>

[Alfgand]

I hear ya, it is discouraging to be in a group, in my late 30's (level), and hit the mob with our best nuke at Adept III, hit for 750 or so and watch a equal level Warlock drop a 1750 nuke with Nil Distortion. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are fed up with the DPS disparity and want it fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Those poor level 50 Wizards need those freakin resists fixed and what ever other issues they have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alot of time has past and we are getting sick of waiting.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Alfgand on <span class=date_text>07-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:20 PM</span>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alfgand wrote:<BR> I hear ya, it is discouraging to be in a group, in my late 30's (level), and hit the mob with our best nuke at Adept III, hit for 750 or so and watch a equal level Warlock drop a 1750 nuke with Nil Distortion. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are fed up with the DPS disparity and want it fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Those poor level 50 Wizards need those freakin resists fixed and what ever other issues they have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alot of time has past and we are getting sick of waiting.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P>Message Edited by Alfgand on <SPAN class=date_text>07-09-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:20 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You'd be in tears if you saw that that spell( nil distortion) did when it hits mastery lvl.

[Uumuuanu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alfgand wrote:<BR> I hear ya, it is discouraging to be in a group, in my late 30's (level), and hit the mob with our best nuke at Adept III, hit for 750 or so and watch a equal level Warlock drop a 1750 nuke with Nil Distortion. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are fed up with the DPS disparity and want it fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Those poor level 50 Wizards need those freakin resists fixed and what ever other issues they have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alot of time has past and we are getting sick of waiting.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Alfgand on <SPAN class=date_text>07-09-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>04:20 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>It not just the lvl 50 wizards that need it fixed, its ALL wizards.   Part of me wants to trash the entire toon at this point and reroll as a warlock.   Why even put wizards in honestly if they are useless.  So much for the master blasters of EQ1, sounds like far beyond the nerf bat, it sounds like Generation NerfBat.  No more DPS, just as much of a wet paper bag, no pet,  wow,  why not rename the class to Engergizer or Duracell or NickelMetalHydride or something instead since all Wizards appearanly end up is a mana battery.</P> <P>Sony, make players get thier own damned mana.  The entire idea of other toons being batteries for crappy clerics and tanks has been a bunch of Bull <insert farbot crap here> [Removed for Content] since EQ1.   You made necros the batteries there and enchanters the batter chargers,  now you decide that wizards need to be the battery for everyone.  Whats next,  the scouts going to stand on thier head and the tank spin them around in circles to be a battery for the cleric?   How about you fix the clerics power pool and stop that mana pumping crap once and for all.<BR></P>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Uumuuanu wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Alfgand wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div>I hear ya, it is discouraging to be in a group, in my late 30's (level), and hit the mob with our best nuke at Adept III, hit for 750 or so and watch a equal level Warlock drop a 1750 nuke with Nil Distortion.<div> </div><div>We are fed up with the DPS disparity and want it fixed.</div><div> </div><div>Those poor level 50 Wizards need those freakin resists fixed and what ever other issues they have.</div><div> </div><div>Alot of time has past and we are getting sick of waiting.</div><p>Message Edited by Alfgand on <span class="date_text">07-09-2005</span><span class="time_text">04:20 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>It not just the lvl 50 wizards that need it fixed, its ALL wizards.   Part of me wants to trash the entire toon at this point and reroll as a warlock.   Why even put wizards in honestly if they are useless.  So much for the master blasters of EQ1, sounds like far beyond the nerf bat, it sounds like Generation NerfBat.  No more DPS, just as much of a wet paper bag, no pet,  wow,  why not rename the class to Engergizer or Duracell or NickelMetalHydride or something instead since all Wizards appearanly end up is a mana battery.</p><p>Sony, make players get thier own damned mana.  The entire idea of other toons being batteries for crappy clerics and tanks has been a bunch of Bull [Removed for Content] since EQ1.   You made necros the batteries there and enchanters the batter chargers,  now you decide that wizards need to be the battery for everyone.  Whats next,  the scouts going to stand on thier head and the tank spin them around in circles to be a battery for the cleric?   How about you fix the clerics power pool and stop that mana pumping crap once and for all.</p><div></div><hr></blockquote>I think your claim of no DPS is wildly in accurate. I group with paladin, mystic, swashbuckler and illusionist on a regular basis, and I am NEVER out DPSd by any of them. NEH VAH!

[Lamprey_02]

I'm confused. Warlock: Nil Distortion, lvl 37, 1750dmg, 196 mana.Wizard: Immolation, lvl 39, 1860dmg, 111 mana.(Adept III spells, numbers calculated by using (min+max)/2)Is it that Immolation is resisted 90% of the time on even/yellow con mobs? Otherwise, I'm unsure why a wizard would break down in tears with Nil Distortion cast near him? If anything, Immolation could use a little boost in mana cost.<p>Message Edited by Lamprey_02 on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lamprey_02 wrote:I'm confused. Warlock: Nil Distortion, lvl 37, 1750dmg, 196 mana.Wizard: Immolation, lvl 39, 1860dmg, 111 mana.(Adept III spells, numbers calculated by using (min+max)/2)Is it that Immolation is resisted 90% of the time on even/yellow con mobs? Otherwise, I'm unsure why a wizard would break down in tears with Nil Distortion cast near him? If anything, Immolation could use a little boost in mana cost.<p>Message Edited by Lamprey_02 on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:50 AM</span><hr></blockquote>There are some people that feel casting a spell for 1700 at 37 is wrong, but I'm not saying that.And I think Immolation adept 3 at 39 is closer to 1600 damage. Or is that adept 1?

[Lamprey_02]

1860/111 is for adept III immolation, 1750/196 is for adept III nil distortion

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Lamprey_02 wrote:1860/111 is for adept III immolation, 1750/196 is for adept III nil distortion<hr></blockquote>It's been a while, so I accept these numbers.See, people don't see Immolation as a nuke, but as a quick dot. who cares. It still does a big chuck of damage.As for Devistation doing up to 20k+ damage, at max does, what, 2.8k on up to 5 mobs? Ok, so you just did 2.8 to five mobs. They aren't dead, are they? Thank goodness for Boney grasp to help keep them on the tank, and not on you.

[Lamprey_02]

I agree. The point, in the end, is that the two classes aren't as far apart as many say. The best mid-lvl warlock nuke is close to the best mid-lvl wizard DoT. At 50, the wizards have the bigger nuke nuke which beats the best warlock DoT on single targets, but loses out on group encounters. Once the level cap gets raised both seem in a good spot to be doing some nice damage.

[Sunfire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kamujin wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tar~Palantir wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yet another person comes and preaches we are broken.  When will SoE listen to the masses?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>1) The "masses" quit EQ2 a long time ago.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) SOE is listening NOW. With 2,000,000 WoW subscriptions, they can't pretend to have the better game anymore. (EQ2 is at about 250,000)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) This largely empty forum is overweighted with wizards would eat dog-food if it was served on a SOE plate. More descriminating wizards have simply left.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Some people have a bunker mentality when it comes to these games. IE, if you stick it out through the hard times, you are rewarded when they get better. Reality is that you are rewarded far more to leave when the game is not fun and return when it changes in your favor. Its VERY easy to "make up for lost time" in these games.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>5-Stars - this is the best no-BS post I've seen on these forums on 6 months!</P> <P>Just watch 99% of the wizards try to do solo arena and you'll see how much we hurt soloing.  Not one wizard in my guild has even made it past the spider.  Yea I'm sure if you have the secret master IV root that somehow sticks when everyone else's gets resisted 9 times out of 10 its easy as pie and I dont know how to play my class but for the rest of us its just lame.</P> <P>Then go to a raid where you can be killed by a single AE wave if you dont have maxed resists and watch as every meaningful damage spell you have is resisted and you end up clicking your magic wand for 400 dmg evey 10s.  Fun.</P> <P>Who knows maybe the spell revamp will be great for us but I'm not holding my breath .... I wish WoW's graphics didnt suck so bad...</P> <P> </P> <P>And this....</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>I have RoC App4.  I went into Harclaves last night.  I was resisted 5 out of 5 times.  3 times by a single blue gnoll, once by a group of whites by the ark and once by a group of yellows by the ark.  I understand the whites and yellows, but 0 for 3 on the blue?  Will getting Adept 3 help with that?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>I noticed the same thing last night everywhere - and I'm 48 with maxed subjugation skill although I have no skill mods - on 1 arena attempt I had 8 out of 8 root resists at normal difficulty... and I have Al'kabors Chains... tried that, tried ring of cold .... tried frozen manacles... nada ... the only strategy that worked for me at all was kiting with ice flame - how sad...</P> <P>Message Edited by SunfireII on <SPAN class=date_text>07-11-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>03:12 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by SunfireII on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:12 PM</span>

[Stavenh]

<P>Some of you need to really look at what people are posting and the numbers. </P> <P>While WoW claims to have 2 million accounts, I again doubt the accuracy of that. </P> <P>I tried WoW. I canceled my account. Yet I still get emails from Blizzard saying my account is still active and if I want to continue to play WoW, I can continue right where I left off.</P> <P>So does this count as an account for WoW? Probablly.</P>

[QQ-Fatman]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lamprey_02 wrote:<BR>1860/111 is for adept III immolation, 1750/196 is for adept III nil distortion<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>When nil distortion hits, it restore about 130 mana to the caster. So unless it's resisted, its mana cost is actually about 50.<BR>Another problem is: immolation has double the cast time as nil distortion, has longer recast time too. And it's a quick DoT which means when a mob has higher heat resistance, not only its damage but also its duration are reduced.<BR> <BR>In normal exp groups, against a single target, wizards are outdamaged by warlocks starting at level 23 because dark distortion is much better than ball of fire, in dps and dpm. It gets worse when warlocks get noxious bolt at level 30 and nil distortion at level 37. Then finally at level 39, immolation brings wizards closer to warlocks' dps. Then at level 50, ice comet does higher damage than devastation vs. a single mob so both classes do about the same dps (not dpm.)<BR> <BR>By the way, I have a level 50 wizard and a level 46 warlock (yes, I rerolled 2 months ago.) So I dont just make those up, I have experiences playing both classes.</DIV>

[Yngwiem]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SunfireII wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>5-Stars - this is the best no-BS post I've seen on these forums on 6 months!</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Just watch 99% of the wizards try to do solo arena and you'll see how much we hurt soloing.  Not one wizard in my guild has even made it past the spider.  Yea I'm sure if you have the secret master IV root that somehow sticks when everyone else's gets resisted 9 times out of 10 its easy as pie and I dont know how to play my class but for the rest of us its just lame.</P> <P> </P> <P></P> <P>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I know what you mean!!! I thought I was one heck of a soloer at 29. I went into that Arena.... and made it to the spider.... that was it....  Me thinks the mobs in the Arena are exceptionally harder than normal mobs of the same level.</DIV>

[Flaegr]

<P>I went through the arena at level 47 and beat the champion.  It was the easiest level but I did beat him.  It took me two times but to be honest, it was my own fault the champion got me the first time.</P> <P>I've taken Hardclaves at the hardest level.  It was tense many time as it should be but I beat it.  We are not helpless!</P> <P>I have to admit that I was very frustrated in the mid to upper 30's when I did feel gimped and unable to achieve anything solo.  I doubt that has changed but it did get better once I hit the low 40s.  Ring of Cold (Adept I) and Frozen Manacles (Adept III) turned the whole class around for me.  In Feerrott I could complete Reza's quest over and over solo and most con'ed white to me (took some fancy footwork for the groups of dregs)</P> <P>I've focused on getting gear to really boost my Int and I think that helps for resists too.  In fact, some of my armor peices are blue and couple even grey but have excellent int bonuses.  RoC does get resisted but it's rare for me /shrug</P> <p>Message Edited by Flaegren on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:58 PM</span>

[Tar~Palantir]

<DIV>My wizard has an awful time soloing bears 3 times below his lvl.</DIV>

[Wu'Ta]

<P>I don't know but it seems that most people posting don't understand how to play there class, yes soloing is difficult as a wizard.</P> <P> </P> <P>but, guess what .. that MAKES SENSE.. your in a robe/Light armor , You have low HP's , and well you just crumple like Tyson upon taking a shot from a mob.</P> <P>Ok, now that this has been est.  GET OVER IT.. its logical.</P> <P>I am lvl 50 and I tell you what, with my group root spell adept , I can solo with the best of them.  *Does it take strategy?* Yes it does, you have to know what to cast and what your re-cast timers are etc.  Also you have to get the most bang for your buck on casting.  </P> <P>I have been in groups with parsers just like the rest of you and at Lvl 50 with a decent amount of Adept III's, an Ice Comet that although it should hit more epic mobs... hits around 3500-3800 usually after my debuffs.  and can be cast more than every min. I really am happy with my Skills.  </P> <P>Now do I hope that we get more Damage. yes/No  more No than yes simple because I already have to wait while casting to avoid agro.  I am THE agro magnet.</P> <P>Do I hope SOE fixes the broken spells  YES, absolutely ... but I am confident they will, I know I can't stand reading anymore complaints so I am sure they are getting sick of it too.</P> <P>If you want to run into the middle of a fight and solo 3-5 mobs all at the same or higher level than yourself.. start a new character, Wizard just isn't for you.</P> <P> </P> <P>Merlock<BR>Officer of The Brotherhood<BR>lvl 50 Wizard</P>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wu'Tang wrote:<BR> <P>I don't know but it seems that most people posting don't understand how to play there class, yes soloing is difficult as a wizard.</P> <P> </P> <P>but, guess what .. that MAKES SENSE.. your in a robe/Light armor , You have low HP's , and well you just crumple like Tyson upon taking a shot from a mob.</P> <P>Ok, now that this has been est.  GET OVER IT.. its logical.</P> <P>I am lvl 50 and I tell you what, with my group root spell adept , I can solo with the best of them.  *Does it take strategy?* Yes it does, you have to know what to cast and what your re-cast timers are etc.  Also you have to get the most bang for your buck on casting.  </P> <P>I have been in groups with parsers just like the rest of you and at Lvl 50 with a decent amount of Adept III's, an Ice Comet that although it should hit more epic mobs... hits around 3500-3800 usually after my debuffs.  and can be cast more than every min. I really am happy with my Skills.  </P> <P>Now do I hope that we get more Damage. yes/No  more No than yes simple because I already have to wait while casting to avoid agro.  I am THE agro magnet.</P> <P>Do I hope SOE fixes the broken spells  YES, absolutely ... but I am confident they will, I know I can't stand reading anymore complaints so I am sure they are getting sick of it too.</P> <P>If you want to run into the middle of a fight and solo 3-5 mobs all at the same or higher level than yourself.. start a new character, Wizard just isn't for you.</P> <P> </P> <P>Merlock<BR>Officer of The Brotherhood<BR>lvl 50 Wizard</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well, for one of my below 41.6 wizards, soloing is not so easy as just casting ring of cold then letting BoF's and immolation take their toll.  I am talking about a singular(one) bear in EL, I cast my frozen manacles, then freezing wind, then being my HO, ice spike, westfends ice spear to complete, now the root usually breaks, so I use freeze, re-root with manacles, then begin the second HO.  These bears hit me for 600 points, in one hit then my root goes off.  So until the wizard I am playing now gets Ring of Cold, I'd like to see you do better. Thank you, sit down.</P> <P>Until soloing stops being a major downtime disaster, I will just pretend I am gandalf for lvl 8 hobbits.</P>

[Sotha]

I dont know how you people are having problems with harclave, or getting upto the champion in the solo arena (i still cant take him) but if you have RoC, i cant see any difficulty in soloing. Ive done harclave on the hardest difficulty and the only problem i had was with the red spawns as soon as you get the buff. I have very rarely been resisted when using RoC, but i have alot of intelligence based gear, and that seems to make the difference <div></div>

[Wu'Ta]

<DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, for one of my below 41.6 wizards, soloing is not so easy as just casting ring of cold then letting BoF's and immolation take their toll.  I am talking about a singular(one) bear in EL, I cast my frozen manacles, then freezing wind, then being my HO, ice spike, westfends ice spear to complete, now the root usually breaks, so I use freeze, re-root with manacles, then begin the second HO.  These bears hit me for 600 points, in one hit then my root goes off.  So until the wizard I am playing now gets Ring of Cold, I'd like to see you do better. Thank you, sit down. <P>Until soloing stops being a major downtime disaster, I will just pretend I am gandalf for lvl 8 hobbits.</P> <P>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________</P> <P> </P> <P>Ok , now that I have stopped laughing, I will respond.</P> <P>"I'd like to see you do better. Thank you , Sit down."   --- hey Numb Nutts... I did do better I am 50 and soloed very well most of the way here... If bears are giving you problems let me break the news to you..</P> <P>~Its not the class your playing that sucks~     *psss------------------------------------------->>>>>>  ITS YOU!!!!</P> <P>Grow up , Buy a helmet , set down your purse, and  make sure your pair is still swinging.... </P> <P>Play the wizard or start a new toon, but whichever choice you make stop with the CONSTANT baby crying!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>Merlock<BR>50 Wizard<BR></P></DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Wu'Tang on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 AM</span>

[Francois d'ass]

<P>Thanks for this post Wu tang... I am level 50 Wizzie as well... And I absolutely concur with you... I AM NOW AN AGGRO MAGNET!   Before 50, usually the best tank(guardian) was able to keep aggro during combat, since Ice Comet: I can now amuse myself to choose when the tank(guardians) will loose aggro...  It is so easy and fun... lol!</P> <P>Seriously guys, make sure your int is at least at 200 before entering combat, make sure you maxed out all your skills...  I dont even have adept3 for ice comet and immolation and ball of flame, all of them are at adept1, and I have no problem soloing... In fact we are probably the best soloer against 1 on 1... But guys, make sure you upgrade your spell RoC to adept1... I get about 1% resist, Yeah you heard me right: 1% resist... </P> <P>I have fun playing my class and I enjoyed being a Wizzie, stop whinning or quit playing!  Constructive criticism is always good, but always whinning will get you nowhere!</P> <P> </P> <P>Zeheenae wizzie 50</P> <P>Oasis server</P>

[Ashare]

What you say is true ... but AFTER we get RoC. Before that, soloing is hard, specially when you are not in the good zones. It's often that i'm beaten down hard by green non heroics mobs in a zone, and at the same level i can take 3 blue non-héroic mobs in another. From 25 to 32/33, it's hard to go solo. Eventually, you'll get the style and the reflexes to do it whitout so much problems, but there are times it's still hard. I can't really talk about AFTER 41/41(RoC) because i'm not there, but all the lvl 45+ wiz in my guild all say the same : we SUX at soloing before RoC, we become, with warlock, one of the top class at soloing after. Now you can say totally different things, but i tend to trust my fellow guildies(specially since a LOT of lvl 45+ wiz in those forums tell exactly the same things... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />). Some ppl should REALLY learn to READ what they respond to, and stop wearing colorfull glasses(i love this phrase from somebody in here:p). <div></div>

[Tar~Palantir]

<DIV>Now that I have hit 37, soloing has changed because I ahve an adept III 2 second cast 6 second re-cast called....we all know...Ball of Flames.  Before 37, its hard considering we are using out-dated nukes, although it is easier if you took Westfends Ice Spear at 30.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wu-Tang, you would crumple to if you fought overpowered bears that have high mitigation, high health, and can swing for 1/3 of your health. Then you have the nerve to say how your a better player and solo'ed to 50(Ever wonder why no group took you....I know why) and then make some iduiotic testicular reference.  Go to one of those sleezy teen sexuality forums and leave civilized people to their fun.</DIV>

[brow27]

<DIV>Holy crap Tar~Palantir!  You are one of the most vocal wizard whiners on this entire forum, and you JUST NOW hit 37?  I'd say you don't have much of a right to talk crap about the class when you've barely even gotten into a wizards true power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can't take out bears in EL?  I'm sorry, but I soloed those things regularly and threw down a can of whoopass.  Yet another example of a player blaying SOE for their lack of skill.</DIV>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brow27 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Holy crap Tar~Palantir!  You are one of the most vocal wizard whiners on this entire forum, and you JUST NOW hit 37?  I'd say you don't have much of a right to talk crap about the class when you've barely even gotten into a wizards true power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can't take out bears in EL?  I'm sorry, but I soloed those things regularly and threw down a can of whoopass.  Yet another example of a player blaying SOE for their lack of skill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>One of my wizards, did I forget to mention that.  </P> <P>I choose armour for looks and int, thats why the mobs hit me a bit harder than they should.  </P> <P>You can throw down "whoopass" but if god forbid your root breaks, you could be in trouble.</P> <DIV>Edit: my other wizard has been S**t canned for so long, i cant remember his performance in EL.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tar~Palantir on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:35 PM</span>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Tar~Palantir wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> brow27 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Holy crap Tar~Palantir!  You are one of the most vocal wizard whiners on this entire forum, and you JUST NOW hit 37?  I'd say you don't have much of a right to talk crap about the class when you've barely even gotten into a wizards true power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can't take out bears in EL?  I'm sorry, but I soloed those things regularly and threw down a can of whoopass.  Yet another example of a player blaying SOE for their lack of skill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>One of my wizards, did I forget to mention that.  </P> <P>I choose armour for looks and int, thats why the mobs hit me a bit harder than they should.  </P> <P>You can throw down "whoopass" but if god forbid your root breaks, you could be in trouble.</P> <DIV>Edit: my other wizard has been S**t canned for so long, i cant remember his performance in EL.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Tar~Palantir on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:35 PM</span><hr></blockquote>Uh, wait. You have several wizard toons?No offense, not a flame, but you are one that is very vocal about wizard issues. Not saying it is good or bad to be vocal. But to be so vocal about all the issues wizards face, and to find out you have several wizard toons?Why do you have so many of the class you think has very problematic issues?

[Tar~Palantir]

<P>To intimately know the class. </P> <P>Plus it can be rewarding at times, but when you see resist after resist.....(oh yeah, and before you flame, know that i debuffed to the fullest extent of the law)</P> <p>Message Edited by Tar~Palantir on <span class=date_text>07-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:32 AM</span>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Tar~Palantir wrote: <P>To intimately know the class. </P> <P>Plus it can be rewarding at times, but when you see resist after resist.....(oh yeah, and before you flame, know that i debuffed to the fullest extent of the law)</P> <p>Message Edited by Tar~Palantir on <span class=date_text>07-14-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:32 AM</span><hr></blockquote>How does playing the same class with different toons give you an intimate knowledge of the class. It's the same thing each time. If its a question about different gear, you can still achieve that with one toon. I care around extra gear because of different reasons.

[Enil]

If you have app IV of a spell that gets resisted ALOT, then plz upgrade to adept I or higher.  I've heard some app IV spells are bugged.  If you do upgrade plz post your results on these forums.  Thanks.

[Robsco]

<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>This is my perspective on being a Wizard</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>To give you some Background I have been playing since a few days after the release. I was the 7th Level wizard to hit 50 on my server so I have been around through many changes including giving US wizard more dps.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>I am a cross between a casual gamer and raider. I have seen most of the End Game content.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>My Experience is that in single group Wizards hold their own with Warlocks and other classes. I parsed myself against a really good Warlock on my server. Our dps was about the same. The win was based on if any of our spells got resisted basically.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>This Same Warlock I also raided with. This is Where Wizards dps basically sucks. So Many raid bosses are resistant to Cold and Heat damage. Warlocks will out dps me on most of raid mobs. I would say maybe 30% or so of raid mobs I actually do pretty good dps. Warlocks own the rest.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>BUT..... Wizards are very useful for other reasons than DPS in Raids</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>1.) We have good Elemental Buffs. Mobs like Darathar you need High Heat Resist</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>2.) We can feed mana to Healers. I have seen raids saved before when the healers went oom.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>3.) We knock down adds very quickly in raids.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>Also Wizards Solo just fine. Yes it difficult before RoC but after that we have enough Roots to allow RoC to refresh on longer kills. The only time I have problems with the Pit Champion is on the hardest level and he is a Level 57 for me. He tends to resist me when he is 7 levels higher than me =).. Go figure.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>So the Bottom line is YES I am a bit disappointed with my Wizard. Its not right when Fighters out dps you and they can take a Hit and you can not. Its not cool when I go oom so quickly while my Level 50 monk can sustain 120 dps with out any mana. I don't like the fact that vla is extremely hard to find with any useful stats.... Specially fabled armor with a Proc of 30 damage while you get hit for 1500 plus damage. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>I'm not going to re roll my wizzy. I enjoy playing him for the most part but I am getting more use out of my Monk lately =)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>Oh by the way the Mana Regen Nerf Bat hit me hard. My Mana Regen is cut more than half now and I go oom very quickly. I believe warlocks get mana back on succesful attacks on certain spells. That Nerf hurts certain classed a lot more than others. considering Wizards spells have a high mana to damage conversion this really hurts my class.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont</SPAN></FONT></DIV>

[Asterra]

<span><blockquote><hr> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="940574301-15072005">1.) We have good Elemental Buffs. Mobs like Darathar you need High Heat Resist</span></font></div><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>We give pretty good heat resist.  That said, it is not currently particularly useful.  Darathar's AE does not do enough damage, nor does it occur often enough, for 5500+ heat resistance to become measurably beneficial.  His tail swipe is essentially the only thing that's dangerous in his current (fourth?) incarnation. <span><blockquote><hr><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="940574301-15072005">2.) We can feed mana to Healers. I have seen raids saved before when the healers went oom.</span></font><div></div><hr></blockquote></span>It is true that a player who finds himself completely out of power could use some right away.  I don't think anyone would really argue that manadumps are never useful.  Even raids where everyone knows how to play their class are occasionally subject to unavoidable, sudden power issues (Nagalik).  The real argument is that most Wizards did not sign up for it, nor did the character description ever hint that this would be a significant and frequently the only contribution they would be making to the effort.  Fortunately, other classes are able to cover this role, so perhaps SOE will take the BIG hint and end the manadump lines in the expansion. <span><blockquote><hr><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="940574301-15072005">3.) We knock down adds very quickly in raids.</span></font> <hr></blockquote></span>This is the case about half of the time.  Hardly so in Orcishwastes Caverns, Meeting of the Minds, etc.  It is important to point out that certainly a Warlock and generally most other DPS-enabled classes do a better job of it and, as a bonus, don't have glaring deficiencies.

[Kamuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR> <P>Some of you need to really look at what people are posting and the numbers. </P> <P>While WoW claims to have 2 million accounts, I again doubt the accuracy of that. </P> <P>I tried WoW. I canceled my account. Yet I still get emails from Blizzard saying my account is still active and if I want to continue to play WoW, I can continue right where I left off.</P> <P>So does this count as an account for WoW? Probablly.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>SOE is the same way. They don't delete your characters when you cancel your subscription. Also, SOE is more likely to be double counting IMO by providing access to multiple games with their "Station Access" subscription.</P> <P>FYI, I play alot of MMORPG's. Its VERY easy to believe that WoW has 2,000,000 subscribers and that EQ2 has 250,000. </P> <P>Honestly, for something of an indication go visit some other forums. This place is a ghost town. Even SWG's forums are FAR FAR more active then these.</P> <P>Don't believe the "Happy players are playing the game not posting on forums" BS line that people like to quote. Happy players post on forums too, they just talk about quest spoilers, gear, hunting tips, etc.</P> <P>Here is a link you might find helpful - <A href="http://www.mmogchart.com/" target=_blank>http://www.mmogchart.com/</A></P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Flaegr]

<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=940574301-15072005>3.) We knock down adds very quickly in raids.</SPAN></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>This is the case about half of the time.  Hardly so in Orcishwastes Caverns, Meeting of the Minds, etc.  It is important to point out that certainly a Warlock and generally most other DPS-enabled classes do a better job of it and, as a bonus, don't have glaring deficiencies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Wow, do you really believe that most other DPS-enabled classes take down mobs faster than you?  Do you really think Wizards are the only class with spell and balance issues?  You sound very bitter here.  I don't buy it at all.</P> <P>At level 50 you can lay down Immolation and Ice Comet, I don't believe "most other DPS-enabled classes" can even come close to that damage output.</P>

[Tar~Palantir]

Except when ice Comet reads "250" or a personal favorite....<FONT color=#ffff33>immune.</FONT> Then you will see immolation go down alot due to resistances, even with debuffs.

[Flaegr]

You encounter adds that are immune to ice comet?

[Tar~Palantir]

Are we raiding King Zalak, the Arch Lich, Venekor, Vox etc for the adds or the named?

[Flaegr]

If you look above Tar-Palantir, the comment started specifically about the adds, not the named.  Wouldn't dissagree about named guys.

[Tar~Palantir]

Adds can still pose problems.

[Mcko]

<P>A lot of these posts say the same thing I've noticed:  Get Adept III.</P> <P>Okay, I'm gonna try to write this so it doesn't sound like whining, because that's honestly not what I'm doing.  I have one very serious question:  how?</P> <P>I check the broker and fence constantly, and I have difficulty finding even Adept I for most spells.  When I do the prices are prohibitive.  Adept III?  I just can't see how that is going to happen for more than one or two spells.</P> <P>Take Frozen Manacles, definately a spell in need of Adept.  I've never yet encountered an Adept I, either as a drop or for sale.  It's a Tier 2 spell, so getting an Adept III made would require a coral or silver, which are going for somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 gold on Everfrost.  I hate to see the cost at higher tiers.</P> <P>Many of you say "I have Adept III in everything."  My question:  where are you getting the money?  Even if you are harvesting your own rares, we are still talking days of doing nothing but harvesting to get even one rare.  If I did that I'd never level.</P> <P>No, this isn't a question of where to hunt, what to kill, how to get rich.  It's a question about balance.  If you have to have Adept III to be effective, so that mobs stop resisting everything or breaking root in seconds, something is seriously wrong.</P> <P>Those of you who are level 50 wizards and tell us all how we need to learn to play, please instruct me.  Instruct me how I can solo blues and whites without spending the next six months hunting rares for Adepts.  Tell me how I can do it using Apprentice IV's, since frankly that's all most of us can really afford.</P>

[MilkToa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mckorr wrote:<BR> <P>A lot of these posts say the same thing I've noticed:  Get Adept III.</P> <P>Okay, I'm gonna try to write this so it doesn't sound like whining, because that's honestly not what I'm doing.  I have one very serious question:  how?</P> <P>I check the broker and fence constantly, and I have difficulty finding even Adept I for most spells.  When I do the prices are prohibitive.  Adept III?  I just can't see how that is going to happen for more than one or two spells.</P> <P>Take Frozen Manacles, definately a spell in need of Adept.  I've never yet encountered an Adept I, either as a drop or for sale.  It's a Tier 2 spell, so getting an Adept III made would require a coral or silver, which are going for somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 gold on Everfrost.  I hate to see the cost at higher tiers.</P> <P>Many of you say "I have Adept III in everything."  My question:  where are you getting the money?  Even if you are harvesting your own rares, we are still talking days of doing nothing but harvesting to get even one rare.  If I did that I'd never level.</P> <P>No, this isn't a question of where to hunt, what to kill, how to get rich.  It's a question about balance.  If you have to have Adept III to be effective, so that mobs stop resisting everything or breaking root in seconds, something is seriously wrong.</P> <P>Those of you who are level 50 wizards and tell us all how we need to learn to play, please instruct me.  Instruct me how I can solo blues and whites without spending the next six months hunting rares for Adepts.  Tell me how I can do it using Apprentice IV's, since frankly that's all most of us can really afford.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>If you need money solo, you will make a lot more money soloing than you will grouped. It can be boring but it's a good way to hone your skills and you get to keep all the loot.  If you must group all the time then at least hunt in places where you can occasionally kill one or more named mobs so you have a change at getting some valuable loot.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Robsco]

<DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>I Grouped and Soloed about 50/50 up Mid Level 30s in Enchanted lands then again from about 45 to 50 in Everfrost.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>This was before they changed most of the ^^ to Singles and added more Singles. Today Soloing is a Dream compared to Months ago.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now im not saying it was easy and I died plenty of times with Resists, Pops and Adds. The only part I hated about this was at the time their was very few Single person content. I had little choices where I could fight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>I only started to get Adept 3s in my late 30s early 40s. Most of the time I researched and found out by looking at the forums where spells dropped. Then camped those mobs got exp and also my adept dropped sometimes. Most of my spells where app 3 and some where adept 1 and I did just fine.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>It use to take me 5 good days to make a plat to by a Rare to get a Adept 3s made so this took some time but it was well worth it..</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>Be sure you have all your Elemental and Subjugations skills maxed. They seem to make a big difference for the resists. For instance I was having problems with the Pit Champion on his most difficult setting. My Subjugation skill was about 6 to 7 points from max. This made a huge difference when I got this maxed out it seems.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>One other thing I would suggest which I have heard other casters disagree with is that I sacrifice a small amount of Mana for more HP and Mitigation. I know Casters are not suppose to get hit but trust me they will eventually when you solo and even group =). My Mitigation is at a point if I cast at maximum distance and for some reason my root breaks or get resisted and I need to Tank the Single for instance a bear in EF I can do so and survive the battle. I rather have more Mitigation and HP than mana for 1 more spell when soloing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the way Ring of Cold will be your best friend when you get that in your 40s</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robsco the Humble Gnome Steamfont.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=053521723-18072005><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>

[Wu'Ta]

<DIV>""Wu-Tang, you would crumple to if you fought overpowered bears that have high mitigation, high health, and can swing for 1/3 of your health. Then you have the nerve to say how your a better player and solo'ed to 50(Ever wonder why no group took you....I know why) and then make some iduiotic testicular reference.  Go to one of those sleezy teen sexuality forums and leave civilized people to their fun.""</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I simply DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR MSSING... I am level 50 , I DID go through fighting the Bears ... I am in one of the best guilds on My server, I have my prismatic weapon and almost all heritage quests done.. I have beaten the best of the best mobs in the Game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BUY A FREAKING HELMET AND [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think you now see why everyone is responding to you in the same way.. you are mid level wizard Crying like your an experienced veteran.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes I do have 9 Adept 3's, and 2 Master spells.  With well over 20 pp in the bank.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't say this to brag, I say this to show that... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I not only TALK the TALK , but Brother, I can ~~Without a doubt~~  WALK the WALK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Merlock</DIV> <DIV>50 Wizard  ~Everfrost~</DIV> <DIV>Proud Officer of The Brotherhood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[pharacyde]

Hi, As a warlock I have trouble fighting bears also in EF ... anyway if the bear is higher level then you, frozen manacles can only used as a time out so you can recast your lvl 40 unbreakable root ... As a warlock i cast auro of darknes wich is a dot stun ... then bony grasp, wich is my unbreakable lvl 40 root ... then i do a debuff or two, start an HO and put nil distortion and dark distortion on the mob ... At that point the bear is almost dead ... Anyway if i use frozen manacles it's only to wiat for my stuns and roots to come back up and not to dps the mob, it will break ... Basicly all the timers quite fit well if  you use the right order of spells ... As a warlock if i switch one spell I am dead meat ... If I get an add, I am dead meat, One resist and I am almost dead <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I am just telling that as a warlock I die alot ... like 10 times a day when I solo for 8hours ... Sybyrn lvl 50 berzerker Vexia lvl 44 warlock Askuz lvl 40 templar Pharacyde lvl 26 guardian Euphoria lvl 14 chanter <div></div>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wu'Tang wrote:<BR> <DIV>""Wu-Tang, you would crumple to if you fought overpowered bears that have high mitigation, high health, and can swing for 1/3 of your health. Then you have the nerve to say how your a better player and solo'ed to 50(Ever wonder why no group took you....I know why) and then make some iduiotic testicular reference.  Go to one of those sleezy teen sexuality forums and leave civilized people to their fun.""</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I simply DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR MSSING... I am level 50 , I DID go through fighting the Bears ... I am in one of the best guilds on My server, I have my prismatic weapon and almost all heritage quests done.. I have beaten the best of the best mobs in the Game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BUY A FREAKING HELMET AND [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think you now see why everyone is responding to you in the same way.. you are mid level wizard Crying like your an experienced veteran.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes I do have 9 Adept 3's, and 2 Master spells.  With well over 20 pp in the bank.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't say this to brag, I say this to show that... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I not only TALK the TALK , but Brother, I can ~~Without a doubt~~  WALK the WALK.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Merlock</DIV> <DIV>50 Wizard  ~Everfrost~</DIV> <DIV>Proud Officer of The Brotherhood</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Are you 11 years old. You obviously have no idea what you're saying.<BR>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MilkToast wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mckorr wrote:<BR> <P>A lot of these posts say the same thing I've noticed:  Get Adept III.</P> <P>Okay, I'm gonna try to write this so it doesn't sound like whining, because that's honestly not what I'm doing.  I have one very serious question:  how?</P> <P>I check the broker and fence constantly, and I have difficulty finding even Adept I for most spells.  When I do the prices are prohibitive.  Adept III?  I just can't see how that is going to happen for more than one or two spells.</P> <P>Take Frozen Manacles, definately a spell in need of Adept.  I've never yet encountered an Adept I, either as a drop or for sale.  It's a Tier 2 spell, so getting an Adept III made would require a coral or silver, which are going for somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 gold on Everfrost.  I hate to see the cost at higher tiers.</P> <P>Many of you say "I have Adept III in everything."  My question:  where are you getting the money?  Even if you are harvesting your own rares, we are still talking days of doing nothing but harvesting to get even one rare.  If I did that I'd never level.</P> <P>No, this isn't a question of where to hunt, what to kill, how to get rich.  It's a question about balance.  If you have to have Adept III to be effective, so that mobs stop resisting everything or breaking root in seconds, something is seriously wrong.</P> <P>Those of you who are level 50 wizards and tell us all how we need to learn to play, please instruct me.  Instruct me how I can solo blues and whites without spending the next six months hunting rares for Adepts.  Tell me how I can do it using Apprentice IV's, since frankly that's all most of us can really afford.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>If you need money solo, you will make a lot more money soloing than you will grouped. It can be boring but it's a good way to hone your skills and you get to keep all the loot.  If you must group all the time then at least hunt in places where you can occasionally kill one or more named mobs so you have a change at getting some valuable loot.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Soloing is an excellent way to make money, just get a few chest drops and some rare body loot and you're set. When i did my upgrades i did the direct damage lines(ice comet, ball of flames, Ice flames etc), then rings of cold and DoTs(P icicles,  immolation) then I did the mana feeds.(surge of flames, intromission line)

[Flaegr]

<P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Mckorr, my experience was similar to yours.  I was in a guild with great people but not enough people to raid for the fabled gear.  I couldn't afford to adept III very many spells.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Gear and upgrades make a huge difference and having money is how you get there.  Making money as a low level character is HARD.  You use to be able to make decent money crafting but on my server there is a flood of artisans perfectly willing to broker their merchandise for very little more than the merchant would purchase it so the time vs. payoff just doesn't exist, IMO.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>I was able to save or harvest for my direct damage line and Frozen Manacles which made a huge difference.  What really turned it around for me was access to Feerrott, you can really start making some cash there!</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Don't simply purchase Adept III spells on the broker!  Buy the rare or harvest it and get a relationship with a sage going.  It will be considerably more reasonable that way.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>One strategy I think some people here applied was to just power level up to a point where earning money was easy.  Personally, I like to play the content so just worked through the painful times by staying grouped.<SPAN>  </SPAN>However, once I got Feerrott access and Ring of Cold, my wizard was WAY fun solo again. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Another idea you should definitely be doing is completing heritage quests.  You can earn some very nice gear this way which will help immensely.</FONT></SPAN></P>

[Wu'Ta]

<P>I have no Idea what I am saying.  (Please be more specific to this point, you write nothing to support your statement, and unless your in politics that shows ignorance... **well I guess it shows ignorance in politics too but they get away with it** )</P> <P>Hmm ineteresting I thought the same about you.</P> <P> </P> <P>Make a newb toon on Everfrost server and give me a tell I, I will show you that everything I say is true.  I only wish I was 11 which should tell you I am to old to reply to that coment with a response to generate more anger.</P> <P>I am going to set down the bashing stick for this post on you, because it simply is not sinking in with heavy shots to the head.</P> <P>I am a powerfull wizard, who with the help of my guild and 3 other wizards Defeated Darathar (some day you will know who that is)  I love my class and I simply can't stand you and the other few scattered nit wits putting the class down with every post you peck into the boards.</P> <P>Please if you feel so strongly that you are a weak class, start a different type of adventurer.  But if you make the choice to stay with your wizard show some respect for the Wizards who have also fought our way up and made it happen through the good and bad parts of leveling.</P> <P>I wish you luck in becoming a strong wizard, or luck in starting a new class.  </P> <P>and please take me up on my offer to come and see for yourself what I speak of on EF server.  I will show you exactly why Wizards are in my eyes (the best class to play)</P> <P>Merlock<BR>Proud Officer of The Brotherhood</P> <P>50 Wizard ~Everfrost Server~</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Wu'Tang on <span class=date_text>07-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:35 PM</span>

[Fael]

McKorr is right about WOW.  They have ten times as many subscribers.  Why?  WOW is a better game for most people.  EQ2 is a HUGE time sink.  Granted, it is MUCH less of a time sink that EQ, but it still requires alot of time. Powergamers who have alot of time wont have a problem with spending a few hours (days) leveling up a crafter so they can buy/make new spells.  A casual gamer that gets an hour a night to play could spend a RL year just leveling a crafter to get money/spells to actually PLAY the game.  Now Im just a Sorcerer, and only been back in the game a few weeks, but I just dont feel like spending the hour a night of free time I have grinding on an engraving desk.  And with 7gold for an App IV, and 21gold for an Adept I spell on the brokers (and having 23silver saved in my first 10 levels) I have no choice but to craft stuff myself. I enjoyed WOW, but needed a change.  Just not sure if I will continue with the game as it stands.  It has great graphics, interesting character and race diversity, so I really do want to play. But the game has been BALANCED against availability of spell upgrades.  So if I dont have them, I just end up grinding out low level mobs to level.  That isnt fun. Either way, I wont make it to 20th before the combat revamp at this rate, so I will be able to see how things pan out before choosing btw Wizard and Warlock. Mal <div></div>

[Kamuj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faelos wrote:<BR>McKorr is right about WOW.  They have ten times as many subscribers.  Why?  WOW is a better game for most people.  EQ2 is a HUGE time sink.  Granted, it is MUCH less of a time sink that EQ, but it still requires alot of time.<BR><BR>Powergamers who have alot of time wont have a problem with spending a few hours (days) leveling up a crafter so they can buy/make new spells.  A casual gamer that gets an hour a night to play could spend a RL year just leveling a crafter to get money/spells to actually PLAY the game.  <BR><BR>Now Im just a Sorcerer, and only been back in the game a few weeks, but I just dont feel like spending the hour a night of free time I have grinding on an engraving desk.  And with 7gold for an App IV, and 21gold for an Adept I spell on the brokers (and having 23silver saved in my first 10 levels) I have no choice but to craft stuff myself.<BR><BR>I enjoyed WOW, but needed a change.  Just not sure if I will continue with the game as it stands.  It has great graphics, interesting character and race diversity, so I really do want to play.<BR><BR>But the game has been BALANCED against availability of spell upgrades.  So if I dont have them, I just end up grinding out low level mobs to level.  That isnt fun.<BR><BR>Either way, I wont make it to 20th before the combat revamp at this rate, so I will be able to see how things pan out before choosing btw Wizard and Warlock.<BR><BR>Mal<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I honestly think SOE is as openminded as they will <FONT size=5>ever</FONT> be to the design flaws in this game. They know they are getting slammed. They are trying to fix it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been advocating for improvements to this game since beta and I was largely shouted down by the "EQ2 != EQ1" crowd. So I waited. Now that the results are in the facts can no longer be denied.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So what?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe now is the time to speak up again. I believe that there is a window of opportunity to have SOE consider some new ideas. There is a revamp in the works and the first major expansion on the way. The game is in flux. Now is the time to let them hear your voice, before it settles down into a more "rigid" state.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WoW is undeniably the better game with respect to GAME MECHANICS. EQ2 is undeniably the better game with respect to GRAPHICS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Make your voice heard. Tell SOE what you think could be done to improve the game. What features from WoW should be "borrowed". What new ideas you might have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do not think you are alone when you feel "something aint right" with this game. You are not alone. I would simply ask that you make suggestions. I think now is the time for them. I have seen many cases where people on forums have formulated well though out proposals that have ultimately been adopted into the game in some form. I think the EQ2 developers would do the same if they saw ideas that were compelling and well though out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There will always be whiners and complainers in every game. There is also a point where the chorus of dissent becomes so harmonious that it can no longer be dismissed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Tar~Palantir]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kamujin wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Faelos wrote:<BR>McKorr is right about WOW.  They have ten times as many subscribers.  Why?  WOW is a better game for most people.  EQ2 is a HUGE time sink.  Granted, it is MUCH less of a time sink that EQ, but it still requires alot of time.<BR><BR>Powergamers who have alot of time wont have a problem with spending a few hours (days) leveling up a crafter so they can buy/make new spells.  A casual gamer that gets an hour a night to play could spend a RL year just leveling a crafter to get money/spells to actually PLAY the game.  <BR><BR>Now Im just a Sorcerer, and only been back in the game a few weeks, but I just dont feel like spending the hour a night of free time I have grinding on an engraving desk.  And with 7gold for an App IV, and 21gold for an Adept I spell on the brokers (and having 23silver saved in my first 10 levels) I have no choice but to craft stuff myself.<BR><BR>I enjoyed WOW, but needed a change.  Just not sure if I will continue with the game as it stands.  It has great graphics, interesting character and race diversity, so I really do want to play.<BR><BR>But the game has been BALANCED against availability of spell upgrades.  So if I dont have them, I just end up grinding out low level mobs to level.  That isnt fun.<BR><BR>Either way, I wont make it to 20th before the combat revamp at this rate, so I will be able to see how things pan out before choosing btw Wizard and Warlock.<BR><BR>Mal<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I honestly think SOE is as openminded as they will <FONT size=5>ever</FONT> be to the design flaws in this game. They know they are getting slammed. They are trying to fix it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have been advocating for improvements to this game since beta and I was largely shouted down by the "EQ2 != EQ1" crowd. So I waited. Now that the results are in the facts can no longer be denied.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So what?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe now is the time to speak up again. I believe that there is a window of opportunity to have SOE consider some new ideas. There is a revamp in the works and the first major expansion on the way. The game is in flux. Now is the time to let them hear your voice, before it settles down into a more "rigid" state.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WoW is undeniably the better game with respect to GAME MECHANICS. EQ2 is undeniably the better game with respect to GRAPHICS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Make your voice heard. Tell SOE what you think could be done to improve the game. What features from WoW should be "borrowed". What new ideas you might have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do not think you are alone when you feel "something aint right" with this game. You are not alone. I would simply ask that you make suggestions. I think now is the time for them. I have seen many cases where people on forums have formulated well though out proposals that have ultimately been adopted into the game in some form. I think the EQ2 developers would do the same if they saw ideas that were compelling and well though out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There will always be whiners and complainers in every game. There is also a point where the chorus of dissent becomes so harmonious that it can no longer be dismissed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>It is sad that we are reduced to a copy job from WoW, but when in Rome, do as the Romans do.  If you ask me, we should instance the Seas, and bring boats.  Remember, when Vanguard comes out, EQ2 will be on par with a different, yet still pleasing graphics engine.  Combine that with the fact that they will have two things EQ2 doesn't....boats/ships and a shipwright artisan class along with cheap, low level horses.  The ships are nonexistant in EQ2 except access quests, and horses, when playing the game straight are still a mid-end game item.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WoW from what i hear has a "smoother'' and more natural control interface, and features that say...Hmm, this is the way this feature SHOULD be executed.<BR></DIV>