Memo to SOE:

[Nahan]

I do not post much.But I feel I have to after tonight. I know that most of you don't care and I understand that. I just feel I have to say something because I am so mad and sad right now. I put alot of time and effort into making my Wizard the best he could be. I just got done with a raid and I saw a TEMPLAR do 3 times the damage I did with my Wizard while still keeping up on the heals. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I left the raid party after that, sent the guild leader a tell stating that I was retiring my Wizard and deguilded. I have listened while my guildies have said in /gu that Wizards are a waste of a slot in a raid. I have seen loot go to other "more desired" classes because the loot council feels that a piece of gear given to a Wizard is wasted. I have tried to be patient. I have tried to be understanding. I have tried to "keep the faith". But I find that I can no longer wait for a "fix" that I know is not coming. I simply no longer have the desire to play anymore. I do not like playing melee or priest classes and I do not find the other mage classes appealing either.I am not going to reroll.I have had a Wizard since the day the game went live. I was the 98th level 50 Wizard on my server. Out of the first 100 level 50 Wizards on the server exactly FIVE are still being activly played-well, four now that mine hung up his robe. I knew almost all of the other level 50 wizards and most got disgusted with playing a class that has been so gimped by design and with the broken promises of SOE that they just quit. Not rerolled-quit. I had a conversation with the person who was the first level 50 Wizard on the server right before he quit and he found SOE's lack of response to the glaring problems with the Wizard class "profoundly disturbing". That conversation took place almost 4 months ago.SOE, you have a problem. If what I have seen personally is an indication of what is happening game wide your best course of action is to remove the Wizard class from the game. Do not bother trying to "fix" it. Why? Because I know in my heart there is NO WAY you are going to nut it up and make the changes needed in order to make the Wizard a viable class to play. Why? Because all the other, more beloved by the dev's, classes will scream bloody murder and you will not allow that to happen. You will save new players alot of hassle. Why? Because the read the class description and actually believe that is what they are going to have, then when they get to level 50 (if they tough it out that long) they will find out that a cruel joke has been played on them by SOE-that they have been lied to.

[Cecil_Stri]

<P>I got the highest dps in a drayek raid the other day...</P> <P> </P> <P>And i've seen other wizards get highest in zalak....</P> <P>Both have immunities to wizard spells ...  Its just a matter of playing your class better.</P> <P> </P> <P>I'm not saying we don't need alittle help raiding wise but if the healer is out damaging you you need to look to your own skill rather then blaming the class</P>

[darkmagic0420]

<P>Wow, how sad beat by a healer. Well I agree were gimped but not by much. Beat by a healer hold your head down in shame. Evey time we raid I run combat stats and am hitting in the 200-350ish dps range but then again in zones like (Meeting of the Minds) my dps is around 50ishdsp. Either you dont know what your doing or you just choice to give up to ezly. In anycase I made the "grind" to 50 was hard as hell but I did it and am happy as all hell to have my wizzard. I will agree with you we do need to be fix and soon I took think about giveing it up sometime.</P> <P>On a side note are your spells even adept 1? I have 13 adept 3 spells no masters yet. Maybe your problem is your not upgrading you spells it helps. </P> <P>Anyhow, am sorry to hear you join a guild with such a bad loot system imo. DKP is the way to be very class spicific also imo. (Remember before you reply to this part of my post I said  *****IMO****) Good luck on what ever it is your going to do next.</P> <P>Kaous</P> <P>50wizz of Atrocity</P> <P>First guild on permafrost to Kill Lord Naglick V 2.0</P>

[Nahan]

<blockquote><hr>Cecil_Strife wrote:<P>I got the highest dps in a drayek raid the other day...</P> <P> </P> <P>And i've seen other wizards get highest in zalak....</P> <P>Both have immunities to wizard spells ...  Its just a matter of playing your class better.</P> <P> </P> <P>I'm not saying we don't need alittle help raiding wise but if the healer is out damaging you you need to look to your own skill rather then blaming the class</P> <hr></blockquote>Um....I know how to play my class just fine, thank you.Draylek is a one group farm mob for my guild, so is MGx2. The CL instance is a 2 group daily farm. It does not help when your debuffs/dots are getting overwritten by the other wizard in the group either. Yes, that is right-same group. My guild leader will not listen when I tell him that it is not effective to put 2 Wizards in the same group seeing as they tend to cancel out each other's spells. Why doesn't he listen? Because he has it in his head that Wizards are not a DPS class, in fact they have few uses is a raid period. Their "buffs" can easily be lived without, their DPS is negligable in comparison to other classes. We are essentially there to fill space until others log in. If there are more then 24 available for a raid the Wizards are the first to be told to sit out unless it is Nagalik.I gurantee you THAT perception will not be going away any time soon. The die is cast, the word is out. Wizards are a useless class in a raiding guild except in very FEW situations. Even if they did fix the class* the attitudes are set in the minds of the players that Wizards are useless. Sony has had plenty of time to address this issue and done nothing but feed us a load of bull crap. They have known about this for over a year. You think that if Tanks or Clerics had such issues SOE would allow it to go on this long? No.

[Nahan]

<blockquote><hr>darkmagic0420 wrote: <P>Wow, how sad beat by a healer. Well I agree were gimped but not by much. Beat by a healer hold your head down in shame. Evey time we raid I run combat stats and am hitting in the 200-350ish dps range but then again in zones like (Meeting of the Minds) my dps is around 50ishdsp. Either you dont know what your doing or you just choice to give up to ezly. In anycase I made the "grind" to 50 was hard as hell but I did it and am happy as all hell to have my wizzard. I will agree with you we do need to be fix and soon I took think about giveing it up sometime.</P> <P>On a side note are your spells even adept 1? I have 13 adept 3 spells no masters yet. Maybe your problem is your not upgrading you spells it helps. </P> <P>Anyhow, am sorry to hear you join a guild with such a bad loot system imo. DKP is the way to be very class spicific also imo. (Remember before you reply to this part of my post I said  *****IMO****) Good luck on what ever it is your going to do next.</P> <P>Kaous</P> <P>50wizz of Atrocity</P> <P>First guild on permafrost to Kill Lord Naglick V 2.0</P><hr></blockquote>All my spells are Adept 3/Master. 50 DPS is UNACCEPTABLE for a class billed as "high DPS". I bet your Warlocks are doing 5-6 times that in the same situations. In OW instance if I am not grouped with the other guild Wizard I can do 120-150DPS. When grouped with him I do 60-80 due to AE/debuff overrides. My GL views Wizards as a useless class-good only to fill a raid up until some more of the "useful" classes log in. In other words he does not CARE if we can do any DPS-he does not view us as DPS. Thus he doesn't give a crap about us being in the same group-the "short bus" group.Anyway, it makes no difference. I have to tell myself I just don't care anymore. It is no longer worth it.

[AkashaSh]

<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#6633ff size=4><STRONG>well i dont know how the healer out damaged you that is just crazy i have never had that happen to me....the only class i seen hold a stick to me is my swash friend i have not play with warlocks much but i hear they do some mad dps but all in all i still dont understand how a healer out damaged you....i know on some mobs my dps went way down do to their resists but i just used other spell and some of my aoe drop their mitigation toward heat cold and so on i use those all during the fight....i all so have adept 3 in all my high damage spells like ball of flames immolation and just got ice comet and that is soon to be adept 3 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and i know having adept 3s seems to help out a lot....now i heard when they do the combat revamp that mage types will be the highest dps which i feel we are i am uber happy with my wizard but that might help i all so have my intel and wisdom over 100 each my intel is close to 300 buffed which i heard any thing over 200 is not seen or whatever but with the revamp it will make a difference in having it higher....all so heard with the revamp that wisdom will come into play and that adept 3s will make a world of difference heard they will take less mana and be more effetive and worth the upgrade as some classes dont see fit to upgrade at this time.....i feel i do a bunch of damage now my ice comet at app. 4 does around 2500 on average 45 sec recast that sucks but does a lot of damage and i dont know a spell that the healers have that do that much damage or any one for that matter.....now when i get it upgraded to adept 3 it will do 2700-3700 now that is uber cant wait....</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#6633ff size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#6633ff size=4>alls i can tell you is that i still can not wrap my mind around how a healer out damaged you but maybe if you chill it the revamp you might be happier if not good luck <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></STRONG></DIV>

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Nahanni wrote:<BR>I do not post much.<BR><BR>But I feel I have to after tonight. I know that most of you don't care and I understand that. I just feel I have to say something because I am so mad and sad right now. I put alot of time and effort into making my Wizard the best he could be.<BR><BR>I just got done with a raid and I saw a TEMPLAR do 3 times the damage I did with my Wizard while still keeping up on the heals. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I left the raid party after that, sent the guild leader a tell stating that I was retiring my Wizard and deguilded.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Yeah, when a Templar, at the bottom of the food chain, out DPS's you, something is wrong with the class.</FONT><BR><BR>I have listened while my guildies have said in /gu that Wizards are a waste of a slot in a raid. I have seen loot go to other "more desired" classes because the loot council feels that a piece of gear given to a Wizard is wasted.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Loot Council?  What a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] thing.  I can barely believe(but I still do) that any guild would have that.  I'd be crushed if my guild said that I was useless and didn't deserve any gear. *cough* corruption *cough*</FONT> <BR><BR>I have tried to be patient. I have tried to be understanding. I have tried to "keep the faith". But I find that I can no longer wait for a "fix" that I know is not coming. I simply no longer have the desire to play anymore. I do not like playing melee or priest classes and I do not find the other mage classes appealing either.I am not going to reroll.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>It becomes harder and harder to lvl my wizard on this treadmill as the higher up I go, the more gimped my class is.</FONT><BR><BR>I have had a Wizard since the day the game went live. I was the 98th level 50 Wizard on my server. Out of the first 100 level 50 Wizards on the server exactly FIVE are still being activly played-well, four now that mine hung up his robe. I knew almost all of the other level 50 wizards and most got disgusted with playing a class that has been so gimped by design and with the broken promises of SOE that they just quit. Not rerolled-quit. I had a conversation with the person who was the first level 50 Wizard on the server right before he quit and he found SOE's lack of response to the glaring problems with the Wizard class "profoundly disturbing". That conversation took place almost 4 months ago.</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I have always wondered why SoE never threw wizards a bone.  I think I would also call it profoundly distubing.</FONT><BR><BR>SOE, you have a problem. If what I have seen personally is an indication of what is happening game wide your best course of action is to remove the Wizard class from the game. Do not bother trying to "fix" it. Why? Because I know in my heart there is NO WAY you are going to nut it up and make the changes needed in order to make the Wizard a viable class to play. Why? Because all the other, more beloved by the dev's, classes will scream bloody murder and you will not allow that to happen. You will save new players alot of hassle. Why? Because the read the class description and actually believe that is what they are going to have, then when they get to level 50 (if they tough it out that long) they will find out that a cruel joke has been played on them by SOE-that they have been lied to.<BR></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>I agree, our biggest competitors are from warlocks.  Also, whenever sony fixes things, they just seem to get worse.  What's worse is how they think what people scream on the forums is always the gospel truth.</FONT></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[OneBadAli]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cecil_Strife wrote:<BR> <P>I got the highest dps in a drayek raid the other day...</P> <P> </P> <P>And i've seen other wizards get highest in zalak....</P> <P>Both have immunities to wizard spells ...  Its just a matter of playing your class better.</P> <P> </P> <P>I'm not saying we don't need alittle help raiding wise but if the healer is out damaging you you need to look to your own skill rather then blaming the class</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If thats true your dpsers in your guild sook and all have app 1's. Drayek is immune to cold, so if your winning the dps battle using just fire then the rest of the dps in that raid needs to  be kicked out of your guild. I do drayeks everyday and have for many months, i have never beaten a warlock, or any other true dps, and 99% of the time the tanks out dps me along with scouts and monks. I have 16 tier 5 adept 3's and a few masters and i spam nonstop (except for cold spells i dont use). I never win the dps, so your either lying out your wahoo or the other players in the raid absolutely sooked at dps. No other way around it. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then you have the nerve to come on here and tell him to play his class better? Just because he doesnt lie like yourself (and if your not lying the rest of the guys in that raid were either asleep or not dpsing AT ALL. Your so full of it i dont know where to begin...</DIV><p>Message Edited by OneBadAlien on <span class=date_text>06-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

[Stavenh]

You know, that whole story sounds, contrived. I'm always asked on raids, for one purpose alone, DPS. Sure, Ice comet is useless on many raid mobs. But I've got other spells. I know for a fact that on King Zalak, all my fire spells land. Oh, sure my cold based debuffs don't. but hey, I've got incinerate and Wastrannds Flaming wind, both land, debuffing heat, over 1k. So I see Ball of Flames land for 900 damage. Immolation land for 300-400 each pulse and last all the pulses. Flamestrike, lands, ball of fire lands. Oh the wizards HOd thier brains out, landing both DD and AE, adding anywhere from 200-500 damage each sucessful one. I don't think my DPS on King Zalak was as low as 50.You know, most raid mobs have adds and friends. On King Zalak, he also calls out for healing. All my spells work on those mobs for sure. In the Arch Lich, you have to clear some mobs first. If I try and cast Ring of Cold on the named, nothing, but if I cast it on one of the friends of the named, oh, it lands. The named isn't effected and the tank can pull it out and not get clobbered by all the adds. People like my wizard on raids.Alright I'm ready for the flames.

[Balbaro]

<P>Man the the poster saying he got the highest dps on zalak and drayek you must be taking drugs soo hard i got master ball of flames master flamestrike all other adept 3 heat type spells and there is NO WAY on earth i can beat the DPS of a monk or a beserker EVER on venekor i am the king of dps but were talking about ice immune mob here wizards got shafted in all way possible , and with the regen nerf its even worse because wizards spells cost way more than other casters spells i dont care if people i gonna say i dont beleive you or whatever i played my wiz since launch and learned everything i had to to make me a better wizard i took hours into developing this char i have master ice comet too and nothing [Removed for Content] me more than having my best spell do 0 damage , im, just sick of that crap i got all the masters for damage and YET others classes with adepts 3 beat me EASY on 90% of the raid mobs, i have no problems doing damage on double arrows since they arent immune to me and dish great damage on them but to raids mobs its a pita ! now with the regen nerf im not cmplaining about not having enough regen i have vital flow and painful meditation master its more now i will have to FEED from begining to the end of each raid now because healers will always be low in mana i dont have have this as a utility to be useful but now its gonna be a absolute neccesity in raids so i wont be doing damage in raids at all !</P> <P>                                                                                  Ragnor lvl 50 Wizard 13 masters so far (alot of good ones) kilticor server</P> <P>           AND STILL NOT HAVING MY PLACE IN DPS !  </P>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Balbaroth wrote: <P>Man the the poster saying he got the highest dps on zalak and drayek you must be taking drugs soo hard i got master ball of flames master flamestrike all other adept 3 heat type spells and there is NO WAY on earth i can beat the DPS of a monk or a beserker EVER on venekor i am the king of dps but were talking about ice immune mob here wizards got shafted in all way possible , and with the regen nerf its even worse because wizards spells cost way more than other casters spells i dont care if people i gonna say i dont beleive you or whatever i played my wiz since launch and learned everything i had to to make me a better wizard i took hours into developing this char i have master ice comet too and nothing [Removed for Content] me more than having my best spell do 0 damage , im, just sick of that crap i got all the masters for damage and YET others classes with adepts 3 beat me EASY on 90% of the raid mobs, i have no problems doing damage on double arrows since they arent immune to me and dish great damage on them but to raids mobs its a pita ! now with the regen nerf im not cmplaining about not having enough regen i have vital flow and painful meditation master its more now i will have to FEED from begining to the end of each raid now because healers will always be low in mana i dont have have this as a utility to be useful but now its gonna be a absolute neccesity in raids so i wont be doing damage in raids at all !</P> <P>                                                                                  Ragnor lvl 50 Wizard 13 masters so far (alot of good ones) kilticor server</P> <P>           AND STILL NOT HAVING MY PLACE IN DPS !  </P><hr></blockquote>And the idea that the encounters were designed so that wizards weren't effective against the named as other classes, but could own all the adds? Look, I agree the resists on raid mobs is out of wack against heat and cold. It's what, 70% of raid mobs have these? There really isn't any point in making them resistant to say, arcane or divine damage, since the classes that do those types of damage don't have high damage spells.Again, it's not our spells, it's the mobs. It's not that our spells don't do that much, it's that the mobs are set beyond reach. Course i wonder how much raids are communicatiing. I know swashbucklers can lower cold and heat around 700 from range attacks.Maybe people need to communicate better.

[Balbaro]

<P>Stoneham i got to agree with you man why they made us good in nuking only agaisnt the weakers mobs and not the actual boss himself its lame our aoe have been nerfed in ages and sstill havent returned to its past glory i remember they did that to prevent groups of 5 wizards and 1 healer but atm lets say 5 lvl 50 warlocks with a healer is far worse than any of our aoe handed down i think soe is affraid that wizard would be tooo strong with the burst damage impact of a ice comet.... its sad i love my class i love seeing 4.5k hits at some extend i like feeding people and being useful but now its just a pita to just feed all the time and cast immo and ball of flames ( 2 t4 spells) on immune mobs soe seriously lacked vision on the spell tree of wizard i mean its not normal that 2 of the 3 spells we use the most often are t4 from 40 to 49 its pretty pointless no real actually upgrade dont talking about a weak spell like flamestrike <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> not to mention it cost 169 power to cost ice spear for christ sake its 700 damage and a lvl 20ish spell ice comet does 4.5k and cost 269 i mean its clearly bad jugdment  </P> <P>                                                                   Ragnor 50 wizard kilticor server</P>

[Stavenh]

Well, one thing that I have found frustrating is how they set spells up.The majority of our debuffs are cold based. Incinerate and Wastrannds are the only heat based one, and those are very low level. Then all our nukes are heat based, save icy flame, which is both (a nice concept) and Ice comet.There just isn't enough mixture.While it's way to late now, what would have been really interesting is if when we got new spells, we got a choice of which to take. lets say at 37, when you get Ball of Flames, you actually got a choice, Ball of Flames or Maul of Ice. Each are the same, but one does cold damage, the other heat. When you get icy coil, your offered the choice of that or say Flaming bonds. They are the same, but flaming bonds checks against fire rather then cold.It would have allowed more choice and difference between players. Then you make the world where there are equal amounts of fire and ice creatures. Oh lava and everfrost. To late, oh well.They said that they will be adding spells to some lines to help cover those areas where spells increasing as you leveled have covered.If we get a nuke or two added, it would be nice if they were cold based, same with some heat based debuffs.I really am hoping that the revamp address this issue, and the cost of our spells.

[Balbaro]

<DIV>thoses are great ideas but i think soe will wait at expension to make the lvl 51-60 spells to fit with our actual line of spells like for exemple im sure at 60 we gonna have sunstrike since we dont have a big boom fire spell and we prolly gonna get others  debuffs fore fire and such but since i played my wiz we got badly beaten i know alot of wizards who quitted back then on my server or sold their accounts on ebay because they felt hopeless i udnerstand them, but at least with my wizard i made enough money for my old days with soloing while i can about close to 90p not much but enough to cover all my need and my women need <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ([expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] they cost alot) rofl as for our high power cost spell unlike our brother the waarlock the regen nerf gonna affect us even more because its cost so much power to cast <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> . not to mentions resists kill our dps bad even if mobs arent immune to us they need to revamp the whole [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing game <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> im glad i got a staff in spirit that give me +7 to disruption and subjugation realyl help alot i see less fizles and less resists by a pretty good margin but still not everyone can get their hands on one or a orb of madness with the regen nerf this will be the way to go i guess i got 3 battlement of the mind items and 3 fortitude of the body items i knew it was coming but i would prefered a cap in regen instead of plain non stacking oh well my storage needed souvenirs i guess <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>                                                                         Ragnor 50 wizard Kilticor server</DIV>

[dustye]

Find other ways to be successful.  I always do pretty close to top-notch DPS (although we don't have many warlocks around, usually) unless i'm manapumping a whole bunch.  MoM would be one place I'm mostly manadumping; it's hard to DPS there, but you can still get fiery pulse/arcane storm goin.. along with BoF, etc. so it's not like our hands are tied.  Frankly, if your guild leader says wizards are 'useless' and he replaces you for anyone who logs on, it's time to find a different guild.  He's a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot].  Time to move on, especially considering there WILL be a combat revamp eventually.  Until then, keep the manapumps flowin'. <div></div>

[Stavenh]

I must be one of the few wizards that doesn't see being a manapump as such a bad thing. I've had enough encounters where I played manapump more then DPS and won, and it's shown in having several nice fabled gear items.

[SalBlu]

You're not the only one Stav... i'm just refraining from posting on these threads anymore.  I know my positive outlook on Wizards is frowned upon, so I'm just letting well enough alone.

[Tar~Palantir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR>I must be one of the few wizards that doesn't see being a manapump as such a bad thing. I've had enough encounters where I played manapump more then DPS and won, and it's shown in having several nice fabled gear items.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In all sincerity, when you first landed on this isle with your lvl 3 mage, did you expect him to enter into his geriatric level(lvl 50) and be a mana pump? I would be surprised if you said yes.</P> <P>What burns me, is that when i made my mage, i expected him to grow up into a DPS king. Now, he is a mana pump that does DPS on the side.</P> <P> </P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<P>wow lots of frustration in the OP's post.</P> <P>grats to being 98th wizzie lvl 50 on server.</P> <P>It sounds to me like you have/were in a crummy guild, which contributed to most of the frustration from your post.  </P> <P>While I do not intend to raid any time soon, I find much more enjoyment in soloing.  I have found that my wizards power has grown dramatically as I leveled, especially once I hit 42 *wink*.  So all I can do is read about how crummy our raiding experiences as wizards are.  </P> <P>I would however, like to point out how efficient of a soloer our class currently is in the higher lvls 35+.  Just try soloing a few heroics/named and try to get some of that enjoyment back in playing our class.</P> <P> </P>

[Stavenh]

<blockquote><hr>Tar~Palantir wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR>I must be one of the few wizards that doesn't see being a manapump as such a bad thing. I've had enough encounters where I played manapump more then DPS and won, and it's shown in having several nice fabled gear items.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In all sincerity, when you first landed on this isle with your lvl 3 mage, did you expect him to enter into his geriatric level(lvl 50) and be a mana pump? I would be surprised if you said yes.</P> <P>What burns me, is that when i made my mage, i expected him to grow up into a DPS king. Now, he is a mana pump that does DPS on the side.</P> <P> </P> <hr></blockquote>Well, I did do lots of research on what was expected as a mage. So no, I didn't expect to be a manapump on raids. But, I was pleased I could do something other then nuke. I like nuking, don't get me wrong. But I would quickly grow bored of a game where the best solution to everything was pile on massive amounts of DPS to win.To be honest, I find it depressing how little people actually try and think out strategies other then, keep tank long enough so that everyone else can kill the mob.That really is the strategy of so many raids I have been on.When in a group, I amaze my friends on how quick I burn down mobs, how I can kill 1-2 mobs while the tank is still on his first mob. Because I think out how can i do this? TO be able to ring of cold, debuff, switch targets, land two dots on it, switch targets, ice comet, swith targets, immolation, ball of fire. Mean while the first mob is dying from dots, the second mob is dead, and I'm chewin through the third mob. Yes, that's a group. But the same kind of tactics can be applied to raids. So we don't burn down the raid mob. But I find that often what kills the tank is having 8 mobs beating on him. What if you Ring of Cold, and he pulls the named back. That's 36 seconds of the healers not having to go crazy healing. And also the MA a chance to get aggro from the adds.

[Asterra]

<span><blockquote><hr>I got the highest dps in a drayek raid the other day... And i've seen other wizards get highest in zalak.... Both have immunities to wizard spells ...  Its just a matter of playing your class better. <hr></blockquote></span>There's not much I can say to this that won't be ridicule.  You are correct: Drayek is 99% immune to cold and about 50% immune to fire, assuming full debuffs.  Zalak is almost identical.  Their adds are more or less susceptible to any nuke one would care to throw at them, but those represent diminishing proportions of the total encounters.  There is no "playing the class better" that will suddenly cause a Wizard's DPS to magically overcome the resistance issues that have been a PLAGUE on these forums for the past half year! <span><blockquote><hr> <p>Wow, how sad beat by a healer. Either you dont know what your doing or you just choice to give up to ezly. </p><hr></blockquote>He didn't specify the raid.  As you pointed out, there are many raids where Wizard DPS is not merely the usual "inadequate" but is downright inexplicable, like Meeting of the Minds.  I get beat by our Mystic during the Orcishwastes Caverns raid, every time, and that's with Master I on every nuke I use there.  There is no dishonor in being out-DPS by other classes; the dishonor is in forcing one's guild to bring a patently worthless class to raids.</span><span><blockquote><hr>Again, it's not our spells, it's the mobs. It's not that our spells don't do that much, it's that the mobs are set beyond reach. <hr></blockquote>And, again, rubbish.  There are encounters out there where resistances are low.  Use those parsers.  Raid resistances are simply masking a far more fundamental problem with Wizard DPS.</span><span><blockquote><hr>Frankly, if your guild leader says wizards are 'useless' and he replaces you for anyone who logs on, it's time to find a different guild.<hr></blockquote>Not quite, friend.  Anyone playing a Wizard in a good guild who doesn't realize for THEMSELVES their worth relative to other classes is simply doing their own guild a disservice.  Yesterday, both of the remaining Wizards in my guild, who are also patrons and first-generation members from seven months back, were discluded from the coveted Spirits of the Lost raid.  It comes down to basic class viability.  The guild leader wanted to be done with the zone as quickly as possible, and that means real DPS classes in lieu of Wizards, even at the cost of an extra pixel of L30 guild exp. </span><span></span><span></span>

[Ancient-O]

<P>Thankfully, there's more to the game than raiding. Contrary to what many seem to be spouting.</P> <P>I keep hearing about how horrible Wizards are, and I'm loving my wizard! Sure, I'm not 50th yet.. but at the rate I play, spending almost more time just RPing than adventuring, I'm not sure when I'll ever reach it, if I ever do.</P> <P>I guess I'll just keep being happy that I care more about the people around me, than numbers.<BR></P>

[Splatterpunk28]

<P>I agree, raidwise wizard dps isn't up to par due to resists.  But if you are running your combatstats you realize that all those at the top of the theoretical dps pyramid are not up to par either.  A few of the fighter classes beat out everyone (even warlocks) about 90% of the time on high end raids.  Wizard/Warlock, Assassin/Ranger are hardly ever in the number 1 spot on dps.</P> <P>In groups, however, it is a different story.</P> <P>And it's kinda useless to complain anymore about it.  The combat/spell revamp is happening soon and no amount of complaining, flaming, whinning or argueing is going to make it happen any faster or put you in their favor for when it does roll out.</P>

[Stavenh]

Quote:And, again, rubbish.  There are encounters out there where resistances are low.  Use those parsers.  Raid resistances are simply masking a far more fundamental problem with Wizard DPS.I've been down the parser road before. What can I say other then I don't have a problem with DPS. Short or long fights, the people I play with are not doing more DPS then me. I don't play with a warlock on a regular basis, so I can't say I have better DPS then a warlock, but I really don't care.I'm not really into trying to prove my point with numbers from parsers. I've used them in the past, I have a good idea what I do, and frankly comparing numbers isn't what I am interested in. Also, I've seen people do enough fudging of numbers or play in a way that causes them low numbers to prove they are right to never fully accept the numbers people post.But if I'm on a raid, with a mob that isn't so resistant to fire and cold, I'm not going to get out damage by any healer. But yeah, I do expect to be outdamaged by other classes when because of the way the mob is built (right or wrong), causes my damge to go down dramatically. You really cant expect me to believe your saying that even if Ice Comet worked normally on raid mobs, healers would be doing more DPS then us?

[dustye]

<span><blockquote><hr>Asterra wrote:<span></span><span><blockquote><hr>Frankly, if your guild leader says wizards are 'useless' and he replaces you for anyone who logs on, it's time to find a different guild.<hr></blockquote>Not quite, friend.  Anyone playing a Wizard in a good guild who doesn't realize for THEMSELVES their worth relative to other classes is simply doing their own guild a disservice.  Yesterday, both of the remaining Wizards in my guild, who are also patrons and first-generation members from seven months back, were discluded from the coveted Spirits of the Lost raid.  It comes down to basic class viability.  The guild leader wanted to be done with the zone as quickly as possible, and that means real DPS classes in lieu of Wizards, even at the cost of an extra pixel of L30 guild exp. </span><span></span><span></span><hr></blockquote>I don't know, perhaps my view is a bit skewed because I was one of two wizards who would show up (was... because I've recently left my guild to find a more raid-intensive guild).  We rarely had an enchanter, and those manapumps were deathly essential for some of the longer fights <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Either way, I also play a troubador with plenty of master buffs, so I should be covered... ... maybe I'll start a templar just in case.</span><div></div>

[Asterra]

<span><blockquote><hr>I've been down the parser road before. What can I say other then I don't have a problem with DPS. Short or long fights, the people I play with are not doing more DPS then me. I don't play with a warlock on a regular basis, so I can't say I have better DPS then a warlock, but I really don't care. <hr></blockquote>I'm not singling out Warlocks.  All the Warrior classes (Paladins included), all the Scout classes (bards included), both of the summoner classes and of course Warlocks.  Occasionally even Illusionists.  Yes, there are buffs involved in these magnificent DPS parses; that isn't some sort of lame excuse, but perhaps instead a plea for buffs that improve MAGE DPS - buffs not based on meleeing or getting hit, I might stipulate with a bit of justified consternation.  I repeat: Every class in the game except Priests and Illusionists regularly (typically!) out-DPS me.  I've got plenty of Master I nukes.  Don't feel tempted to suggest I'm "playing my class wrong" - I hopefully do not come across as somebody who is prone to inexplicable inefficiencies. </span><div></div>

[Asterra]

<span><blockquote><hr><span>Either way, I also play a troubador with plenty of master buffs, so I should be covered...</span><hr></blockquote>Good thinking.  Wish I'd thought of that before I lost the impetus to start over. </span><div></div>

[AkashaSh]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#3333cc size=3><STRONG>well i have run the stat programs a few different ones found that most of the time they dont work right i see i am doing more damage and higher hits then it says....but in most normal groups i would out dps everyone in group my normal group has a lower lvl wizzie swash tank healer.....i would just out dps swash by like 30 or so not much....but i care little of this just like to know where i stand....now as far as raid i have only been on a few most lower lvls in like rv just for something to do and we started the dragon lang....now in those fights i seemed to do fine and never once handed out mana just dished the dps granted we had breeze on the whole time which helps and got everyone we could hooked up with the geb which i love but it sucks they are going to nerf it so my invoker robe wont stack with it and the breeze is going to be weakened some time i hear....but for now that seems to keep everyones power up and even the tanks use the boots at times.....now like i have said b4 i am new to raiding but i will be keeping and eye on the dps to see how i fair seems everyone is so unhappy with our dps now i just have to know....i am not to worried it ice comet does not work on some mobs yeah it will suck and all but i have all kinds of other spells and debuffs.....a lot of guilds like the wizard type because we can buff our resistances..... granted i dont think a lone the buffs are good enough to ensure me a spot in the raid but we do a sign up type things for raids and no one gets excluded it they sign up....granted you have to allow spots for tanks and healers but other then that it is up to you to sign up and keep and eye on the web page works for us and of course we are all willing to do raids over and over we are lvl 50 what else is there to do he he....i will be keeping my eye on resists to see how i do but from the little raiding i have done i have been happy but upsets me to hear ppl so mad about it so i will just have to watch and see what happens.</STRONG></FONT>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Asterra wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> I've been down the parser road before. What can I say other then I don't have a problem with DPS. Short or long fights, the people I play with are not doing more DPS then me. I don't play with a warlock on a regular basis, so I can't say I have better DPS then a warlock, but I really don't care.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'm not singling out Warlocks.  All the Warrior classes (Paladins included), all the Scout classes (bards included), both of the summoner classes and of course Warlocks.  Occasionally even Illusionists.  Yes, there are buffs involved in these magnificent DPS parses; that isn't some sort of lame excuse, but perhaps instead a plea for buffs that improve MAGE DPS - buffs not based on meleeing or getting hit, I might stipulate with a bit of justified consternation.  I repeat: Every class in the game except Priests and Illusionists regularly (typically!) out-DPS me.  I've got plenty of Master I nukes.  Don't feel tempted to suggest I'm "playing my class wrong" - I hopefully do not come across as somebody who is prone to inexplicable inefficiencies.<BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So, for the record, outside of priests and enchanters, you are out DPS by every class. Raid and group? Or just raid? Because many of the raid mobs that are resistant to our spells, scouts have the same issue as mob are resistant to slashing and piercing, and they can't use crushing weapons. Conjurers must have it as hard as we do, thier spells are cold, fire, magic, piercing and crushing damage. Mainly fire and cold it seems. Thier pets generally do these types of damage to. But if you take what conjureres say, thier pets damage sucks. Those spells aren't big damage dealers either. So if a mob is immune to cold, all thier cold spells don't work, just like ours. After all a cold based attack is the same, if it came from a wizard or a conjurer.</P> <P>You must have amazing tanks on these raids, to not need so much healing that the priests in your raids can nuke rather then heal.</P> <P>I'm not suggesting you don't know how to play a wizard.</P> <P>But your experience and my experience do not match up. That doesn't mean your right or I'm right. I know on some raids my damage is going to be lower then some other classes because of the way mobs are built. </P> <P>But I have yet to be in a group case where I was consitantly outdamaged by other classes.</P> <P>When I'm with a friend, and we pull a mob, and I kill it at 80% health with one ice comet, then I did more damage then they did. My DPS doesn't suck, I am not out DPS by many classes on a regular basis.</P> <p>Message Edited by Stavenham on <span class=date_text>06-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:24 PM</span>

[Skwor]

<DIV>I know this is getting repetitive but here goes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tar~Palantir wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR>I must be one of the few wizards that doesn't see being a manapump as such a bad thing. I've had enough encounters where I played manapump more then DPS and won, and it's shown in having several nice fabled gear items.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In all sincerity, when you first landed on this isle with your lvl 3 mage, did you expect him to enter into his geriatric level(lvl 50) and be a mana pump? I would be surprised if you said yes.</P> <P>What burns me, is that when i made my mage, i expected him to grow up into a DPS king. Now, he is a mana pump that does DPS on the side.</P> <P> </P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#ffcc66>Well, I did do lots of research on what was expected as a mage. <BR><BR>So no, I didn't expect to be a manapump on raids. But, I was pleased I could do something other then nuke. I like nuking, don't get me wrong. But I would quickly grow bored of a game where the best solution to everything was pile on massive amounts of DPS to win.<BR></FONT><BR>To be honest, I find it depressing how little people actually try and think out strategies other then, keep tank long enough so that everyone else can kill the mob.<BR><BR>That really is the strategy of so many raids I have been on.<BR><BR>When in a group, I amaze my friends on how quick I burn down mobs, how I can kill 1-2 mobs while the tank is still on his first mob. Because I think out how can i do this? TO be able to ring of cold, debuff, switch targets, land two dots on it, switch targets, ice comet, swith targets, immolation, ball of fire. Mean while the first mob is dying from dots, the second mob is dead, and I'm chewin through the third mob. Yes, that's a group. <BR><BR>But the same kind of tactics can be applied to raids. So we don't burn down the raid mob. But I find that often what kills the tank is having 8 mobs beating on him. What if you Ring of Cold, and he pulls the named back. That's 36 seconds of the healers not having to go crazy healing. And also the MA a chance to get aggro from the adds.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Stave you point out, rightly so, that SOE has portrayed the class as DPS (I know I am infering). So the fact that others only want what is advertised should not be a bad thing. Anyone who gets upset or argues things are fine regardless of the fact we are currently not living up to our design is being intellectualy dishonest (imo). I agree we need to do other things; but mana pumping in a raid is less desirable to more people then those who don't mind. Since they (like you) started a wizard for something else why shouldn't they raise the issue?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Being adaqute in your primary role as others outperform in that role, which is a secondary position for them, just doesn't add up. A skilled race driver would still be upset racing a gremlin in NASCAR and find it very unsatisfying. I dare say many a wizard have some of these same feelings.<BR></DIV>

[Asterra]

<span><span><blockquote><hr><p>So, for the record, outside of priests and enchanters, you are out DPS by every class. Raid and group?</p><hr></blockquote></span>Raiding is what I do with 99% of my time.  I allow a possible 1% for other activities I may have forgotten.  I used to do writs, though, and our Guardians could easily keep up with me.  But the only other concentrated moments of non-raid combat I can cite would be my grinding days, during which it was already painfully obvious to me - though thankfully not to the groups who picked me up - that I was a liability to the effort, compared to the alternatives.  During raids is when most classes out-DPS me.  It's probable that Wizard DPS seems less unspectacular in a group scenario when not all the best buffs are available to everyone, but that has no bearing whatsoever on the realities of DPS in the endgame, regardless of raid resistances. <span><blockquote><hr>You must have amazing tanks on these raids, to not need so much healing that the priests in your raids can nuke rather then heal.<hr></blockquote></span>Priests do not regularly out-damage me.  Never said they did.  They occasionally do, though, as was attested to by the original poster. </span> <div></div>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Asterra wrote:<BR><SPAN><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>So, for the record, outside of priests and enchanters, you are out DPS by every class. Raid and group?</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN>Raiding is what I do with 99% of my time.  I allow a possible 1% for other activities I may have forgotten.  I used to do writs, though, and our Guardians could easily keep up with me.  But the only other concentrated moments of non-raid combat I can cite would be my grinding days, during which it was already painfully obvious to me - though thankfully not to the groups who picked me up - that I was a liability to the effort, compared to the alternatives.  During raids is when most classes out-DPS me.  It's probable that Wizard DPS seems less unspectacular in a group scenario when not all the best buffs are available to everyone, but that has no bearing whatsoever on the realities of DPS in the endgame, regardless of raid resistances.<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> You must have amazing tanks on these raids, to not need so much healing that the priests in your raids can nuke rather then heal. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN>Priests do not regularly out-damage me.  Never said they did.  They occasionally do, though, as was attested to by the original poster.<BR></SPAN><BR> <FONT color=#ff0000>In your post, you imply that on all classes but illusionists and priests regularly out dps you. That means those two classes do out dps you at times. Hence my comment about awesome tanks that need no healing by priest who spend thier time nuking.</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>But you still haven't answered my question from earlier. If your spells landed on epics as they do on non epics, are you saying you would still be out damaged by all those other classes not priests or enchanters on a regular basis?<BR>

[Asterra]

<span><blockquote><hr>But you still haven't answered my question from earlier. If your spells landed on epics as they do on non epics, are you saying you would still be out damaged by all those other classes not priests or enchanters on a regular basis? <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>I can make a prediction, yes, based on the aforementioned raids where resistances and immunities are not so much of an issue.  As things currently stand, Warrior classes would still win, as would the Scout classes, although I would probably give the bard classes a run for their money (they do over 300 DPS easily, you have to understand), as well as the summoner classes.  Sorry if it's not the answer you were hoping for. <div></div>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Asterra wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> But you still haven't answered my question from earlier. If your spells landed on epics as they do on non epics, are you saying you would still be out damaged by all those other classes not priests or enchanters on a regular basis?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></SPAN>I can make a prediction, yes, based on the aforementioned raids where resistances and immunities are not so much of an issue.  As things currently stand, Warrior classes would still win, as would the Scout classes, although I would probably give the bard classes a run for their money (they do over 300 DPS easily, you have to understand), as well as the summoner classes.  Sorry if it's not the answer you were hoping for.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I wasn't looking for anyone particular answer.</P> <P>You say you have plenty of master 1 nukes. Ice comet at Master 1? How many nukes across all the classes do up to 4.7K damage? Most of the high damage hits scout classes have are usable once per hour. Epic raids last far longer then 1 minute, but certainly shorter then one 1 per mob.</P> <P>Summoners would still do more damage then you? They get one DD that does close or just over 1k. The total damage from ice comet, immolation and ball of flames can easily reach 6k at adept 3, and if you have them at master 1, probablly around 8k. Lets not forget, summoners will subjected to the same cold and heat issues that you are in raids. </P> <P>Sorry nope, I'm not buying it. I feel that you agreed that in a group, sure it's not a contest. Well, what is a raid but groups linked to gether. What are those other classes getting buffed with in raids that you are not that is making thier damage so high? </P> <P>Again, the problem isn't our spells, the problem is how the mobs are built. Maybe you just want bigger nukes. Fine say so. </P> <P>What is just comes down to is you want people to think there is something wrong with our spells, and that even if the mobs where adjusted it wouldn't solve the problem you have. </P> <P>It just doesn't add up.</P> <P> </P>

[Sorano]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>So, for the record, outside of priests and enchanters, you are out DPS by every class. Raid and group? Or just raid? Because many of the raid mobs that are resistant to our spells, <FONT color=#ff0033>scouts have the same issue as mob are resistant to slashing and piercing, and they can't use crushing weapons</FONT>. Conjurers must have it as hard as we do, thier spells are cold, fire, magic, piercing and crushing damage. Mainly fire and cold it seems. Thier pets generally do these types of damage to. But if you take what conjureres say, thier pets damage sucks. Those spells aren't big damage dealers either. So if a mob is immune to cold, all thier cold spells don't work, just like ours. After all a cold based attack is the same, if it came from a wizard or a conjurer.</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Message Edited by Stavenham on <SPAN class=date_text>06-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:24 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>For the record Staveham, scouts and melee DO NOT have the same raid resistance issues we do. This was fixed in LU8 when I quote </P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><FONT size=2>" The melee resistances of epic bosses are now better balanced. An opponent that is immune to one damage type (such as slashing) should no longer have high resistance to another damage type (such as piercing)."</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3>The fact that they saw fit to fix melee raid mob resistances as far back as LU 8, is just another galling issue for wizards since we have been left to languish in the DPS wilderness with not even a mention that a fix is coming. SOE have no foot to stand on in leaving heat/cold resistances the way they currently are, given the change they made to melee, but yet here we still are. This is why the OP is so frustrated. Wizards and mages in general are treated as second rate classes, with melee being king and frankly I don't think this is going to change anytime soon. So we all have a choice. Reroll a class more favoured by the devs or hang in there and wait for the few scraps that will get thrown our way.</FONT></P>

[Stavenh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sorano wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Stavenham wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>So, for the record, outside of priests and enchanters, you are out DPS by every class. Raid and group? Or just raid? Because many of the raid mobs that are resistant to our spells, <FONT color=#ff0033>scouts have the same issue as mob are resistant to slashing and piercing, and they can't use crushing weapons</FONT>. Conjurers must have it as hard as we do, thier spells are cold, fire, magic, piercing and crushing damage. Mainly fire and cold it seems. Thier pets generally do these types of damage to. But if you take what conjureres say, thier pets damage sucks. Those spells aren't big damage dealers either. So if a mob is immune to cold, all thier cold spells don't work, just like ours. After all a cold based attack is the same, if it came from a wizard or a conjurer.</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Message Edited by Stavenham on <SPAN class=date_text>06-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:24 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>For the record Staveham, scouts and melee DO NOT have the same raid resistance issues we do. This was fixed in LU8 when I quote </P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff><FONT size=2>" The melee resistances of epic bosses are now better balanced. An opponent that is immune to one damage type (such as slashing) should no longer have high resistance to another damage type (such as piercing)."</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3>The fact that they saw fit to fix melee raid mob resistances as far back as LU 8, is just another galling issue for wizards since we have been left to languish in the DPS wilderness with not even a mention that a fix is coming. SOE have no foot to stand on in leaving heat/cold resistances the way they currently are, given the change they made to melee, but yet here we still are. This is why the OP is so frustrated. Wizards and mages in general are treated as second rate classes, with melee being king and frankly I don't think this is going to change anytime soon. So we all have a choice. Reroll a class more favoured by the devs or hang in there and wait for the few scraps that will get thrown our way.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hey, I never said that the heat/cold resistance of raid mobs was good. I've always said it's out of wack. And scouts still face issues with mobs being resistant or immune to piercing and slashing. No mob is immune to both cold and heat at the same time. </P> <P>My point is that our spells are not what need to be adjusted in terms of how much damage they do, <EM>it's the mobs resistance</EM>. Yes, we have an issue with the amount of power our spells cost. </P> <P>Making claims that every class save illusionist and priests regularly out DPS you on every single raid, and would still do so even if the resistance on mobs for heat and cold were normal doesn't help any class.</P> <P>SoE is just going to look at such statements and say, Ok, they are just whining to whine, our data doesn't show Paladins being able to out DPS wizards. Sony has always said, the way you present your self and the issues you face in your post will make a big difference in how they respond to those issues.<BR></P> <P> </P>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>No need to be upset. Changes are coming and hopefully everything will be addressed. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizards do have alot of challenges - epic mob resistances are one of them but the adds are fair game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, I have noticed that once the boss mob is 40% health or less all spells start landing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You should really be helping clear adds and feeding healers and main tank ( because you are the best at it). When adds are done then work on boss.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even though ice comet does not indicate that it does damage I think it does because I do see the health go down. This is my observation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Work with what you have or re-roll another character. I am totally aware of all the issues plaguing this class but I am palnning on sticking with it. Playing a wizard even in this state has been at times frustrating but mostly fun.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hang in there.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <span class=date_text>06-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:42 AM</span>