I feel violated.

[stigg]

<DIV>Lets face it, with the nerfing of Robe of the Invoker and GEBs theres is no absolutely nothing to look forward  to aside from 1 piece of battlement of the mind.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*Our damage output is based on our power</DIV> <DIV>*Int increases our power pool but over 200 it is completely useless ( 1 [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing extra power per 1 int )</DIV> <DIV>*Fabled very light gear is among the rarest forms of fabled gear ( and even if it was common theres absolutely no benefits to having a whoping few extra int or some stupid proc that goes off when you take damage )</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only thing that increases our ability is the added power regen.  Now they go take that away from us.  Instead of fixing our broken spells like Photophlame or fixing raid loot tables or fixing raid resists they put all their energy into nerfing the one thing that was an upgrade to caster types.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My point is this: the stacking of these two items was overpowered because ALL OF THE OTHER CLASSES could use them not because of the stacking or number they ticked by.  Is the game really intended so that a plate wearing class uses a [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing robe?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I frankly dont see the point of being a wizard anymore.  They don't love us enough to make us usefull in raids, they don't fix our spells, theres little fabled gear to obtain.... WHAT THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] IS THE POINT OF PLAYING IF THEY JUST TAKE AWAY ALL THE FUN.</DIV>

[blynchehaun]

I'm a Wizard and I'm having fun. Sorry that you're not. You may wish to re-evaluate what you find 'fun' ingame, and do that instead of the stuff that you clearly *don't* enjoy. As far as I can see, the mana a spell costs functions as a % of your mana pool, so there really isn't much point to bumping up your mana pool all the time. (I could be wrong on this, but I'm fairly sure I'm not) As I solo quite a bit, I'm mainly focused on uping my Agility, to increase my Avoidance. And why do people who whine about this stuff always say the nerf something 'instead of' fixing something? It's not an 'either/or' situation. They have stated that the combat system is being changed. Since I am not 4 years old, I understand that this could take months to fix.. Several months, in fact. Stamping my feet and throwing a tantrum does nothing to speed this up. And, frankly, I wouldn't <b>want</b> them to speed it up. I work in IT. People working faster than they are comfortable with screw things up. To SOE: get the combat thingie done. <b>In your own time</b>. No pressure from me, at least. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[SalBlu]

<P>Oh please.  The change on the RoI is not going to be any big affect on us at all.  A good portion of us actually came to the realization that they could effectively and very efficiently STILL work their class like a pro even without the RoI. </P> <P>Get your GEBs, get a manastone, get a Ring of the Nightbloods.  There's 28 extra power per tick, not to mention 4 spells and an item to regen your power.  This isnt enough power for you???</P> <P>You can get along FINE without the robe.  Get off the crutch.</P>

[Ghostbeard]

<span><blockquote><hr>blynchehaun wrote:I'm a Wizard and I'm having fun. Sorry that you're not. You may wish to re-evaluate what you find 'fun' ingame, and do that instead of the stuff that you clearly *don't* enjoy. And why do people who whine about this stuff always say the nerf something 'instead of' fixing something? It's not an 'either/or' situation. To SOE: get the combat thingie done. <b>In your own time</b>. No pressure from me, at least. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote> Glad you're so cozy with SOE. There are few things more annoying to the rest of us - many of whom are extraordinarily frustrated with some of the issues surrounding the Wizard class in EQ2 - than a shameless sycophant. The bottom line is that Stigger has an excellent point. Why are the devs spending time finding things to nerf, instead of devoting time to addressing some of the outstanding issues that are on the table? While you're *winking* at SOE - the game is costing roughly $250-$350 a year to play with monthly subscription costs and expansions + adventure packs. That's a great deal of money for a game. If you play for years as I have (since pre-Kunark EQ1) that represents a substantial investment in "fun".  Players have a reasonable expectation of being treated fairly for that kind of money. Many of us selected the Wizard class because the game's hype suggested a change in philosophy from the old "broken" days of the EQ1 Wizard. Public statements that Wizards, along with our Warlock brethren would be DPS heroes helped fuel these expectations. An expectation that our frustrations will be addressed is hardly "whining". Suffering the nerf the bat - when we were expecting a little help instead is certainly cause for a player who has invested his money and his self into his character to get on the forums and put voice to his frustration. That's what these forums are for. </span><div></div>

[Sorano]

<P>The OP has a valid point. There are very few items of that benefit mages compared to what the melee classes have, and the only reason ROI is being nerfed is because of all the other classes who chose to wear it. Wizzys have very power intensive spells so the ROI/GEBs stack was especially beneficial to us, but it in no way made us overpowered. Other classes however are much more mana efficient than wizzys and when they use ROI in combination with GEBs it made them overpowered. This is the reason why the items no longer stack and when you look at it from that point of view you have to see that wizzys are getting the short end of the stick in this matter.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[blynchehaun]

< <span> Glad you're so cozy with SOE > Holy instant-assumption batman! Good to know that anyone who disagrees with you can *immediately* be categorised as "Cosy with SOE" and "a sycophant". As a matter of interest, go look up sycophant. You'll find that the manner in which I expressed my views, and the manner in which a sycophant acts are two different things. < </span><span>Why are the devs spending time finding things to nerf, <b>instead of</b> devoting time to addressing some of the outstanding issues that are on the table? > Whoops, there we go..... (I've put the offending phrase in bold for the hard of thinking among yet) These things are not mutually exclusive. Combat skills and Items are two different things, to start out. The former have to be balanced off one another, seeing as the montsers use abilities like wot the players have. The later can just be adjusted on the fly if it's felt they are performing incorrectly. < </span><span>the game is costing roughly $250-$350 a year to play with monthly subscription costs and expansions + adventure packs. That's a great deal of money for a game > No-one is forcing you to pay. If you don't enjoy it, stop. Kind of like stabbing yourself in the face: if it's not fun, don't do it. < </span><span>Players have a reasonable expectation of being treated fairly for that kind of money. > No, they don't. 'Fair' is a poor word. It's highly subjective, and as such means a variety of things to a variety of people. Is it fair that the servers are stable, and the bug count that affects the standard player is relatively low? Why yes, I think it is. That's my opinion of what I'm paying for: stable software, and a game I can play. If the content of that game is not what I enjoy, I stop playing. < </span><span>An expectation that our frustrations will be addressed is hardly "whining". > See, that's an adult comment, put forward in a constructive and mature fashion. Now, go look at 90% of the rest of the wizard board. See how they differ? <b>Whining</b> is rampant. Go reread the OP's post for a clear and concise example. < </span><span> That's what these forums are for. > Funny. In the opening lines, the Rules of Conduct states: </span>"In general, you may post any material, written in a courteous and mature manner, providing that it is on-topic for the forum to which you are posting." I wouldn't consider the OP's post to be either courteous or mature. Possibly on-topic, but that's pretty subjective too. But hey, apparently I'm just a [ghostbeard's-version-of-a]sycophant, what do I know...... /rolleyes <div></div>

[aa]

<P>The only reason I became a level 50 tradeskiller was because of the expectation of being able to make plat easily, then they nerfed Trade Skilling. The only reason I got GEBs and ROI was because of the expectation they stacked.  If this happened in real life, say a company sold me an engine for my car that made it get an extra 10 miles per gallon then sold me a set of wheels that also gave me an extra 10 miles to the gallon then suddenly decided that the oil companies were going to get [Removed for Content] off at them so they flipped a switch so my wheels and my engine no longer worked together there would be a massive law suit.</P> <P>In fact I want to change my class from jeweler to lawyer.  I am going to be the first level 50 lawyer in EQ2</P>

[Ghostbeard]

<span><blockquote><hr>blynchehaun wrote:<span> As a matter of interest, go look up sycophant. You'll find that the manner in which I expressed my views, and the manner in which a sycophant acts are two different things </span> <div></div><hr></blockquote> Oh... I looked it up first. I don't find a difference at all. *WINK* <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[Ghostbeard]

<span><blockquote><hr>aaza wrote: <p>In fact I want to change my class from jeweler to lawyer.  I am going to be the first level 50 lawyer in EQ2</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote> I had a mental image of an orc process server delivering a civil suit summons to a player for causing "pain and suffering", and suing for all his plat. His "Destroyer of Orcs" suffix tag the first entry into evidence. /shudder </span><div></div>

[blynchehaun]

< <span> Oh... I looked it up first. I don't find a difference at all. *WINK* > My apologies. I had assumed that English was your primary language.... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span><div></div>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>aaza wrote:<p>The only reason I became a level 50 tradeskiller was because of the expectation of being able to make plat easily, then they nerfed Trade Skilling. The only reason I got GEBs and ROI was because of the expectation they stacked.  If this happened in real life, say a company sold me an engine for my car that made it get an extra 10 miles per gallon then sold me a set of wheels that also gave me an extra 10 miles to the gallon then suddenly decided that the oil companies were going to get [Removed for Content] off at them so they flipped a switch so my wheels and my engine no longer worked together there would be a massive law suit.</p> <p>In fact I want to change my class from jeweler to lawyer.  I am going to be the first level 50 lawyer in EQ2</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>IRL there would be a law suit. however this is not real life. this is a GAME. sony are well within there right to change items that are unbalanced. </span><div></div>

[Nacoa]

<span><blockquote><hr>adamflanagan wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>aaza wrote:<p>The only reason I became a level 50 tradeskiller was because of the expectation of being able to make plat easily, then they nerfed Trade Skilling. The only reason I got GEBs and ROI was because of the expectation they stacked.  If this happened in real life, say a company sold me an engine for my car that made it get an extra 10 miles per gallon then sold me a set of wheels that also gave me an extra 10 miles to the gallon then suddenly decided that the oil companies were going to get [Removed for Content] off at them so they flipped a switch so my wheels and my engine no longer worked together there would be a massive law suit.</p> <p>In fact I want to change my class from jeweler to lawyer.  I am going to be the first level 50 lawyer in EQ2</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>IRL there would be a law suit. however this is not real life. this is a GAME. sony are well within there right to change items that are unbalanced. </span><div></div><hr></blockquote>Actually, there probably wouldn't be a sucessful lawsuit in real life either.  Everyone was warned repeatedly that everything within the game may change at any time.  To use the previous poster's car analogy, if the car company warned you before you bought it that that your car could change at any time, you wouldn't have much of a chance in court.  You agreed to let the car company make your wheels and engine not 'stack'.</span><div></div>

[Akira]

I am a 50 wizzy and I am having fun and I never even had a RoI. Wizzards are still awsome even if people are bashing them like crazy.

[Za'Had]

<P>1. What I say here is not about raiding. I know there's a problem in that area.</P> <P>2. I'm a 42 wiz and i like it. Its fun and sometimes difficult and challenging. Other classes - played them - are easy, but boring. Predictable, slow and ... boring.</P> <P>3. Nerfing the stats on a Light Armor item doesnt bother me. What bothers me is that any other class can wear VLA. I mean : I want to wear Plate too and look like a [Removed for Content] :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Tabemo]

good thing I got cryptic boots <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> unless that incombat power regen doesn't stack with robe of invoker. <span>:smileyindifferent:</span> <div></div>

[Cecil_Stri]

<DIV>Ummm... don't expect any fixes till combat changes... they said this many times that they are balancing the whole thing not just case by case</DIV>