New patch today, here's what I saw

[AtomiC_WedgiE]

<DIV>GRP 17055:1349:294.1%</DIV> <DIV>HH 49 Wizard 763:ball of flames<BR>49 Ranger 7200:0:124.1<BR>47 Guardian 4110:1154:70.9<BR>49 Wizard 3785:0:65.3<BR>49 Coercer 1152:195:19.9<BR>48  Templar 808:0:13.9</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>GRP 14867:3209:309.7%</DIV> <DIV>HH 49 Wizard 671:ball of flames<BR>49 Ranger 6210:0:129.4<BR>49 wizard 4335:0:90.3<BR>47 Guardian 2542:3209:53.0<BR>49 Coercer 1780:0:37.1<BR>48 Templar 0:0:0.0</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only way I could out dps the Ranger was full out nuking and pulling aggro. All my spells are adept 1 with adept III for Ball of Fire, Immolation, Piercing Icicles, and ! non damage Vital Flow. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>WTS 49 Wizard</DIV>

[papabear0]

the difference between 49 and 50 is huge.  ice comet (as long as your not raiding) will improve your dps a ton.

[TheC]

<P>lol you got out DPS'd by a Guardian. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> noob <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>...I hope this really isn't the case <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <p>Message Edited by TheCoZ on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:54 PM</span>

[strate]

<P>Hmm... Its not normal for a wizard your level to be so low in terms of DPS.</P> <P>After L45, you should get around 120 dps consistentlly without pulling aggro.  If you are outaggroing your tank now,  I really dun know how are you going to use Ice Comet later.</P> <P>Check your spell sequence too.  Make sure you debuff the mob properly.</P> <p>Message Edited by strateus on <span class=date_text>04-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:38 PM</span>

[Raminicus]

<P>:smileysurprised:</P> <P>Ok here's my formal apology to the Wizard forums.  I was arguing with you guys maybe a month ago that your dmg isn't that big of a problem because you get more utility.  Well, you don't get MUCH more utility than a Warlock (more yes, but not significantly more).  And your highest hit at level 49 is under 1k?!?!?!?!</P> <P>I don't mean to rub salt in the wound here, but every 20 secs or so (18 sec recast plus a couple for casting, forget exact casting time though) I can get off a Nil Distortion for between 900-1400 dmg.  Within that recast time I've got Dark DIstortion for between 500-800, and Noxious Bolt for between 300-600.  These two spells have very short recast times.  Ice Flame is shared by our two classes but I rotate that in as well.</P> <P>I don't know if you're just not debuffing the mobs properly, but you're a level 49 Wizard, I'm fairly certain you know how to play your class.</P> <P>Anyway, just wanted to say I'm sorry for arguing with you guys awhile back and that I now see the huge damage disparity.  Yes, you'll get a great spell at lvl 50 but so do we (completely different type of spell but that doesn't matter too much when all else is factored in).</P> <P> </P>

[bot]

at 49 a wizard will hit in the upper 800's 90-120 dps is par for a wizard, really depends on what mobs youre eating. <div></div>

[DaWodin]

<DIV><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>90-120 dps at 49?  Thats way off, I was doing 70+ at lvl 25 (haven't bother parsing since)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But to the OP, did you account for the HO's which are attributed to whoever starts it?  Scouts do have the best HO's and if they land enough of them it would look like they're doing significantly more damage than their spells/abilities actually account for.  Just wondering that.  If you still have the log maybe you could add up the HO damage and subtract that from each player to determine what damage they are actually doing themselves.</DIV>

[iceriven2]

<DIV>me a 47 wizzie and a friend a 49 wizzie get 180-230 dps a fight. So...... wizards can get high dps just dunno what he is doing or not doing to get it.</DIV>

[n0kn0k]

You are really doing something wrong. I had like 180 dps at that level, and like 300 atm at lvl 50. Increased my adept3' spells since then though.     <div></div>

[MeLoo]

<P>Unless the mob is atleast 50^^, debuffs dont seem to have any positive effect to my DPS al lvl47. They take 2 secs each, 3 for AE debuff, and IMHO no mob last long enough that it would make any point casting any of them.</P> <P>We wizards are raid-only power batteries with no other use. </P> <P>At all.</P> <P><BR>Has anyone tried to gain tattered robe from green/blue <U>solo</U> mobs in feerrot at this lvl <U>and</U> survive the attempt ?<BR>I get killed... umm.. 25% of the time, mainly due to the interrupts (if i dont run away). </P> <P>From con green <U>solo</U> mobs.</P> <P>So much for the image for "powerfull" wizards. What would it seemed if Gandalf had been like this in the big battles agains orcs .. or any part of the story.</P> <P>Sigh.</P> <P>Id prefer having our spells instant/1sec cast adn longer reuse then being killed by con green <U>solo</U> encounters while trying to cast my fastest cast spells that hasnt been resisted yet ..</P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by MeLoonn on <span class=date_text>04-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:03 PM</span>

[DaWodin]

<P><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I can solo yellow consistantly, sometimes orange... sometimes even green heroic.   Maybe you need to re-evaluate your strategy or upgrade a few spells .  If you like to solo then deffinatly upgrade your stuns and roots.</P>

[MeLoo]

<P>All my spells ( i mean ALL of them) are adept1. My nukes and lifetaps are all adept3.</P> <P>If my sole root is resisted, im runnign away or i die becoss i cannot cast with constant interrupts.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>MeLoonn wrote:<div></div> <p>Unless the mob is atleast 50^^, debuffs dont seem to have any positive effect to my DPS al lvl47. They take 2 secs each, 3 for AE debuff, and IMHO no mob last long enough that it would make any point casting any of them.</p> <p>We wizards are raid-only power batteries with no other use. </p> <p>At all.</p> <p>Has anyone tried to gain tattered robe from green/blue <u>solo</u> mobs in feerrot at this lvl <u>and</u> survive the attempt ?I get killed... umm.. 25% of the time, mainly due to the interrupts (if i dont run away). </p> <p>From con green <u>solo</u> mobs.</p> <p>So much for the image for "powerfull" wizards. What would it seemed if Gandalf had been like this in the big battles agains orcs .. or any part of the story.</p> <p>Sigh.</p> <p>Id prefer having our spells instant/1sec cast adn longer reuse then being killed by con green <u>solo</u> encounters while trying to cast my fastest cast spells that hasnt been resisted yet ..</p> <p>Message Edited by MeLoonn on <span class="date_text">04-22-2005</span> <span class="time_text">07:03 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>you are doing something SERIOUSLY wrong if you are getting killed by blue/green MOBs. i can solo grps of 3 single down blue lizardmen. i do have to run sometime, but very rarely.  as for solo MOBs you should be able to kill oranges no problem, you have 2+ roots which have recently been improved. at 39 my usual tactic is: root mob A with tether root mob B with FM stun mob C and root with tether hit C with icy coil, immo, bof re-root A and B hit A or B with HO starter, bof, wis, HO starter, ice flame, bof root the last guy and hit with icy coil, immo and bof this works all the time, at one or two points i do get hit but its very rarely serious. at your lvl it should be even easier as you have ring of cold.</span><div></div>

[Trojan7474]

<DIV>at 40 in CT vs yellow and orange ^^ i was doing 130-151DPS almost every kill.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try switching up your what u cast .</DIV> <DIV>Here is what i do....Immo, then the the 2 ice based dot/debuffs Ice coil and ice ??? forgot name. then BoFlame, Wes ice spear, iceflame(BL spell), BoFlame, ice coil, Immo, BoFlame, wes ice spear......by then the mob is just about dead if not i just toss a stunn spell at him forgot name Blaving something...im at work so i dunno.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kinda sad on my part but all my spells are app IV and adept1 but i still bust out the 130+dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I cast non stop in a fight and as long as u have a good tank i never pull mob. Wit Craft food and mana converstion spells i have tons of mana all the time.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is at 40 so i dunno if my DPS will lower as i lvl but seems like it should only go up.</DIV>

[MeLoo]

<P>pls note my lvl is not 39..</P> <P>Im level <STRONG><U>47</U></STRONG>. At this level mobs have tons of health, high resistances and they hit hard.</P> <P>The solo encoutners near CT that arent grey to me yet, have 1-4 mobs. They hit hard and fast enough to brake my casting. if i do manage to cast rong of cold, my sole working root, and its resisted, things get interresting really fast.</P> <P>I do admit green solo mobs arent all that hard in the end, when compared to blue solo mobs.</P>

[MeLoo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Trojan7474 wrote:<BR> <DIV>at 40 in CT vs yellow and orange ^^ i was doing 130-151DPS almost every kill.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try switching up your what u cast .</DIV> <DIV>Here is what i do....Immo, then the the 2 ice based dot/debuffs Ice coil and ice ??? forgot name. then BoFlame, Wes ice spear, iceflame(BL spell), BoFlame, ice coil, Immo, BoFlame, wes ice spear......by then the mob is just about dead if not i just toss a stunn spell at him forgot name Blaving something...im at work so i dunno.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kinda sad on my part but all my spells are app IV and adept1 but i still bust out the 130+dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I cast non stop in a fight and as long as u have a good tank i never pull mob. Wit Craft food and mana converstion spells i have tons of mana all the time.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is at 40 so i dunno if my DPS will lower as i lvl but seems like it should only go up.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Again, these mobs/encoutners im talking about, are "solo".</DIV> <DIV>That means no group is going to come there with me just to hunt robe that i might get after week of nonstop killing spree for exp that is near non-existent to begin with.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for what im casting, thats near identical list, except i AE root then the 2 dots, immo, boflames,WIS ice flame, boflames, repeat. </DIV> <DIV>If my power gets low i cast both of my lifetaps, but if the mobs arent dead yet by then, i will be soon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My single worst enemy is the casting times. 2 seconds is a long time for combat spell, let alone 3 or 4.</DIV><p>Message Edited by MeLoonn on <span class=date_text>04-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:06 PM</span>

[MeLoo]

Ah yes, sorry about the ranting, but i think u can all guess what i been doing last 2 months ? <p>Message Edited by MeLoonn on <span class=date_text>04-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:10 PM</span>

[Kanloth]

<P>DaWodin Wrote:</P> <DIV> <DIV>90-120 dps at 49?  Thats way off, I was doing 70+ at lvl 25 (haven't bother parsing since)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But to the OP, did you account for the HO's which are attributed to whoever starts it?  Scouts do have the best HO's and if they land enough of them it would look like they're doing significantly more damage than their spells/abilities actually account for.  Just wondering that.  If you still have the log maybe you could add up the HO damage and subtract that from each player to determine what damage they are actually doing themselves.</DIV> <DIV>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to dissagree BIG TIME with chouts having the best HO's. I am a 27 Wizzy and I am easily hitting for 450+ Damage with my Ball of Fire Spell and i is only App 1, and not to mention that I am the only one in the HO wheel dealing the Damage. I can't imagine what kinda of damage I could be doing if I had app 4 or Adept 1?!?!?! There is no way Scouts have the best HO's, I have a Rog and a Bard and I just can not see their HO's being anywhere near a Wizzy's HO's. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO Wizzy's are the Best Damage Dealers in the Game, I just have not figured out why we are not getting the call in-game for groups as much as I would like to see happening, as a matter of fact I never hear anyone saying... /ooc Looking for high powered wizzy for group, PST. I am suprised that people dont want us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gaazzoo Cogswell 27 Wizzy / 27 Tailor</DIV></DIV>

[Beghard]

Im not sure about all of this. At 49 our highst hit is not in the upper 800's. Maby a good single tick but not the hights single spell. At lvl 43 Immolation Adept3 can land for over 400 and ive seen it do as much as 480+ 4 ticks in a now, and thats soloing. If i get lucky i can solo the 45^^ cats in EF. I can also solo the animated ice dudes in the cave oh and the sheep...the list goes on. My point is, ive seen alot of sucky wizard out there, there the only ones that complain. The ones that own U  dont come on here very often and talk about it. Most arnt as arogent as me tho so w/e. To all you other ppl out theit plz dont think that all wizy are batchs. Cuz im not. <div></div>

[bot]

<P>level 49 wizards are a LOT less powerful than other equal level classes. thats why i stated the 90-120 DPS as par. in their 20's to 30's are more powerful than most other classes(180 DPS for me back then too)</P> <P> </P> <P>this is not a slight on wizards, sure they get stronger as they level but not when compared to scouts or tanks.</P> <P> </P>

[adamflanagan]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kanlothar wrote:<p>DaWodin Wrote:</p> <div> <div>90-120 dps at 49?  Thats way off, I was doing 70+ at lvl 25 (haven't bother parsing since)</div> <div> </div> <div>But to the OP, did you account for the HO's which are attributed to whoever starts it?  Scouts do have the best HO's and if they land enough of them it would look like they're doing significantly more damage than their spells/abilities actually account for.  Just wondering that.  If you still have the log maybe you could add up the HO damage and subtract that from each player to determine what damage they are actually doing themselves.</div> <div>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________</div> <div> </div> <div>I have to dissagree BIG TIME with chouts having the best HO's. I am a 27 Wizzy and I am easily hitting for 450+ Damage with my Ball of Fire Spell and i is only App 1, and not to mention that I am the only one in the HO wheel dealing the Damage. I can't imagine what kinda of damage I could be doing if I had app 4 or Adept 1?!?!?! There is no way Scouts have the best HO's, I have a Rog and a Bard and I just can not see their HO's being anywhere near a Wizzy's HO's. </div> <div> </div> <div>IMO Wizzy's are the Best Damage Dealers in the Game, I just have not figured out why we are not getting the call in-game for groups as much as I would like to see happening, as a matter of fact I never hear anyone saying... /ooc Looking for high powered wizzy for group, PST. I am suprised that people dont want us.</div> <div> </div> <div>Gaazzoo Cogswell 27 Wizzy / 27 Tailor</div></div><hr></blockquote>in grp situation scouts do start the best HOs. best example is past's awakening: it deal massive damage and restore 100% mana and health. this is contributed to by all classes but started by scouts. also scouts can shift HOs. in solo situation i have found HOs to be invaluable when playing with my 16 rogue. they make the difference between solon green ^^s and not. while soloing with my wizard recently i find the extra damage is rarely more than that of 1 ice spike and doesnt really affect the level of what i can fight.</span><div></div>